18 responses so far ↓

• Duncan_Idaho

  Apr 12, 2009 at 2:39 am

  

  The whole concept of “intellectual property” and the absurd “patent” laws are an abomination.

  The worst abuses are in medicine and the evil fucking field of “genetically modified organisms”. GMO food and it’s ancillaries, GMO “terminator” seeds and fertilizers have already likely caused around 100 million preventable hunger deaths. All for the sake of share-holder value and corporate profits. It’s obscene, and the enablers and purveyors of this poison need to be executed for crimes against humanity.

  http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=7529

  http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13025

  Like they say on Battlestar Galactica: we either live together or die alone.

  So say we all.
  
  
• Mr Supergeek

  Apr 12, 2009 at 2:55 am

  

  Hi YA’ll
  I was a little tired last night I could hardly type. so here goes again….FUNK IS ITS OWN REWARD……….
  “Stop trying to put a fucking dollah sign on everything”
  (Bill Hicks)
  All this Talk about relaxed copyright and IPR, Touches on ideas I believe and try to live my life by.
  As far as art/knowledge is concerned I’ve always taken pride in seeing myself as some kinda piece of blotting paper or vampire .
  I’ve been lucky enough to have friends who are generous and talented(most the good ideas and art I have were given to me, which makes me want give stuff back).
  The reason I enjoy visiting maxkeiser.com, is because I think as human beings our job is to study, learn and transmit/teach and I see lots of that here.
  Don’t get me wrong we all have a right to make a living off what we do but let’s not lose sight of the fact that the best stuff we have you can’t buy in a shop and contains a personal touch or a  memory attached to it.

  I don’t have a problem seeing Max and Stacy earning “Those anti marketing, anger and righteous indignation dollahs there’s a huge market for them in times of recession” to  misquote Bill Hicks.
  As far as I can see on the whole Max and Stacy just want to put stuff out there and TELL THE PEOPLE.
         ‘You have to give in order to receive’
• Thomas

  Apr 12, 2009 at 5:40 am

  

  I think the central problem here is the fact that our system of government doesn’t appear to be self-correcting.  The politicians aren’t even willing to fix the banking system, so I don’t see much hope for copyright reform.

  If you really wanted to unsettle the powers that be you wouldn’t do it by pirating movies, songs and games. You would STOP consuming them.
• Veritas

  Apr 12, 2009 at 5:58 am

  

  I would just like to remind this filmmaker that if he’s going to use an evolutionary analogy, and not just as a conversational trick but in order to make a serious point, then he has to be prepared to embrace the full meaning of evolution: That tigers eating humans is evolution. That Ebola virus wiping out entire villages of people in Africa is evolution. That a frog whose skin contains a deadly poison that kills in minutes is evolution, too. Evolution can produce wonderful things, and deadly things, and things that are both. It doesn’t care because it’s not sentient. But the law of the jungle, if imported into human culture, which has been done before (Holocaust anyone?) will never limit itself to just a flowering of pretty, dainty ideas. People are merely intelligent animals. Put them in a group called a society or a culture and the “memes” or “strands of DNA” that result can be extraordinarily pretty or extraordinarily absurd or extraordinarily dangerous, depending on luck.
• SeanD

  Apr 12, 2009 at 6:46 am

  

  Following up from Veritas, I’d comment that there is a strong definition of what you require for an evolutionary system to exist, and before you establish that they exist in culture you can’t infer anything useful from the thought experiments.  Firstly there has to be some index of “fitness” – which does not necessarily relate to the film (in this case) being any good at all, but purely relates to its ability to spread. Interestintgly, this measure may change as the environment changes, ie: new conduites for transmission arrive, such as YouTube, and now “PirateMyfilm”.  Therefore, one important function of PirateMyfilm may be to increase the “fitness” of non-Hollywood films.
  The other central component of evolution is selection – ie: a means of erradicating less fit individuals, or conversely promoting more fit individuals/films. eg: a film rating system may improve the relationship between film popularity and its ability to spread. So do film reviewers.
  It might also be interesting to speculate as to whether their is the facility for genetic recombination (ie: sex) in films. :-/
  rz
• Richard Buchanan

  Apr 12, 2009 at 6:58 am

  

  Veritas: You are correct. Evolution did create the shark. Luck for me occurs when opportunity meets preperation.
  Thus, all we can do is keep our eyes peeled and our minds prepared for the right moments. More so now, than ever.
• Veritas

  Apr 12, 2009 at 7:05 am

  

  @Thomas
  I think some mechanism needs to be devised for like-minded anti-corporate culture creators to produce content that rivals mainstream TV and films. I see from Alex Jones’s new film that he has collected some fairly talented people to do effects and music and find film clips, but of course he’s just one point of focus. There’s need for a catalyst for many points of focus.

  If culture creators are to rely on meeting up with people randomly or via meetup.com or on Craigslist, then the effort is doomed; they are like people scattered in the dark without flashlights. If the catalyist will in any way be influenced by a political party or foundation, which is an extension of the power of the elites, again it’s doomed.

  The mainstream media are conscious that they serve as a collection point for talent. They know they have the funds to catalyze the formation of new work. Before the Internet they controlled the delivery system but no more. They’re kind of like a Death Star, actually.

  As for stopping consumption, nice idea but a weekend without a movie is inconceivable, even if it’s Hollywood crap.
• Youri Carma

  Apr 12, 2009 at 7:12 am

  

  I Just got a reply tweet from Energia from Energia Productions busy with Iron Sky thanking me for my tweet efforts. I replied with your this page link so hopefully this PirateMyFilm initiative can get viral.

  I have been thinking about this concept and I think this could as well apply to Game Producing as well. In fact the Gaming and Filming industry are already in an very tight embracement.

  I’ve got many ideas to work on under which various game ideas. If you start on a new area you want to start slow so you can pick up the knowledge you didn’t have on the way up.

  But once you’ve got the skills you want your next production start of a bit quicker which could be possible with PiratMyFilm and a fresh finished project in the portofolio.

  For producers PiratMyFilm is very interseting to look around for some very creative projects to invest in next to projects relying on public investments.

  The creative person has the advantage of having the project in the etalage not only for wealthy producers but for public fan investments as well.

  Watching a film you probably gonna like and have supported is a very satisfying movie moment.

  Youri Carma
• max keiser

  Apr 12, 2009 at 7:42 am

  

  Youri Carma

  agreed on gaming

  i got the piratemygame URL

  which i hope to roll out after PMF, and PirateMyMusic

  the music version will probably have the highest traffic as music production is way lower.. . 

  to give you a bit of history…

  after I put the alpha version of PMF on the web three years ago under the name specfilms  – (with a tech. development team that I was not really happy about)  two copy cat sites based on my design using music popped up in europe; 

  sellaband and slicethepie    I can readily see how both of these tried to ‘borrow’ as many of my ideas as they were able to comprehend – and the results are OK – but no where near as robust or scalable as PirateMyMusic will be. I predict they will radically change their model once they see how it should be done. 

  but yea, I agree, the gaming industry is ripe for this kind of transformation.
• Veritas

  Apr 12, 2009 at 8:04 am

  

  @SeanD
  I agree, an intelligent assessment of fitness and use of selection are key.
  The power structure wants to spread messages that are “fit” for its purposes: Corporate domination of society and government and further evolution of corporations for greater power.
  As someone working against the corporate Death Star, I put forth my ideas, some catch on, some don’t. The main problem is they usually don’t reach the right ears. A message that cannot replicate is a dead message.

  One time a guy called in to the Alex Jones show and explained that one day by chance he found a VHS tape left on a ledge near his church, and decided to watch it. It was an Alex Jones documentary that opened doors for his understanding.
  You could say it inoculated him against the corporate lie memes.
  The public is protected from exposure to any “DNA” or memes that might liberate them.
  These ideas are like a young heretic burned at the stake in Spain who did not breed (=selection), whereas the corporate message is the blind follower or “yes man” type who survived the Inquisition.
  The Inquisitor with the torch is the Neoliberal power structure w/ its enormous reach. In the US the media are locked up, academia is self-censoring, libraries sometimes censor, it’s even a crime in some places to staple a sign onto a telephone pole.
  So the Internet is the best bet for now of a flourishing of the anti-corporate meme, of liberation DNA.
• Richard Buchanan

  Apr 12, 2009 at 8:36 am

  

  Piratemygame – You jammy so and so!!!

  I thought owning…www.wethemarket.com was a coup!!!
• max keiser

  Apr 12, 2009 at 8:48 am

  

  richard B.  wethemarket is cool.  

  to fill in the historical blansk.. a few months after specflms was on the web – we changed the name to kinooga  – the orinal name, that never was used was filmbaron – this was the working title going back to 2001 when i first started working out the logic for this… when I met stacy in 2002 the thing i was working on was filmbaron the precursor to specfilms, and kinooga…  the problem I had was every time I got going with it, I would end up talking to some hollywood people and re-connecting to hollywood made me kind of sick…  so i kept backing off… with the name PirateMyFilm  – it’s been great. i’ve been getting hundreds of emails from independent artists and not a single hollywood type nosing around.   the name is already starting to roll with some momentum as it works as a rallying cry for many.
• Richard Buchanan

  Apr 12, 2009 at 9:03 am

  

  A quick aside -

  I just Googled “digital marxism” and it only has 111 entry’s.
  “digital marxism” also doesn’t have an entry on wikipedia.

  Essentially the concept doesn’t exist yet.

  Should we own it? Should we pirate it?
  Is piratemyfilm.com under the umbrella of the new digital marxism?

  If enough of us add to the entry on Wikipedia we could essentially create it. I think? I may be wrong?
• Youri Carma

  Apr 12, 2009 at 9:15 am

  

  @MaxKeiser

  Well I got pirated myself from a Cool Logo 6-cylinder, Wankel and Turbo engine T-Shirt motorcycle club design.

  I probably even talked to the guy who did it. In fact he admitted that he had not a very creative brain like we do but that he had an eye for quality design to pirate which he in fact did. He made put my design on some Energy Drink. The saying in Holland is “better  stolen well than come up with your own pea brain crap.” Not nice for creative people like us but true.

  I am not gonna complain about it but in fact I pirated it back  and I am using it for my own portfolio right now. Sue me if I go to fast.
• Thomas

  Apr 12, 2009 at 10:04 am

  

  @YouriCarma

  I think the design have similar elements but I wouldn’t call it a copy. More like the “drink” design was  influenced by yours.

  So you have then sun god (Aten) over an upside down piramid. I think you pirated the illuminati there.
• Thomas

  Apr 12, 2009 at 8:49 pm

  

  The return of Patronage

  It’s hard to deny that piracy of intellectual property is a modern phenomenon. This is fast becoming the status que amoung the younger generations. Once it takes hold it’s going to be near impossible to reverse. So the question remains; what business model will replace our current copyright system?

  I believe we will return to a system of patronage, as existed before copyright laws. As Max always mentions the elite want to return to a feudal system. Patronage is a central part of that system. The destruction of copyright laws works in their favor. Not only does it destroy yet another industry but it will also stengthen their control of all media.

  The banksters have already stolen unfathomable amounts of money, the next step in their agenda is to systematically destroy all possible income sources of the people. This is done through globalisation, outsourcing and Ideological Indoctrination. Once this is done they will be able to step in and use their loot to fund any media programs they wish.

  I believe the piracy/open source movement to be part of a concentrated Ideological Indoctrination (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlkPkJInUmU).
• Mother Earth

  Apr 12, 2009 at 11:41 pm

  

  Would it make sense to enable people to pay for individual crew members, or to pay fo a second of film. Films usually go over budget and through several phases of near bankruptcy. Perhaps the gambling aspect of investing in a movie could be exploited as well..
• bzmoore

  Apr 13, 2009 at 7:45 am

  

  A couple of points:
  Isn’t the bio-tech industry going around patenting your and my DNA? Their idea is to sell it back to us, kind of like Disney copywriting a nature made mouse and selling us back bad (images) copies ad infinum.

  Good idea about games. As an industry didn’t gaming surpass the size of the film industry a few years ago?

  For health doesn’t nature abhor a single=mono mime? 
  I.e. the mass modern culture of binary (really unary) choices, coke or pepsi, gm or ford, dem or rep, is sick and unhealthy in the long run.