Stacy blog: Where was the international outrage at #USelection? [Updated]

Update: Here is this blog updated by me and Max for Huffingtonpost. (Go leave your comments there too! No doubt a great debate will ensue there)

In the lead up to the US elections less than a year ago, protesters gathered at the party conventions.

The police were waiting for them in Denver:

Photo by wackomaco

Photo by wackomaco

The police were waiting for them in Minneapolis / St. Paul:

rnc-police-wait

Before the RNC convention even began, however, police had pre-emptively raided and arrested those planning ‘disruptive protests‘:

Photo by David Joles

Photo by David Joles

The group of ‘disruptive’ protestors arrested above were iWitnessVideo who, due to their detention, were unable to witness the photos taken below as police arrested protesters and journalists:

A picture of photographer experiencing ‘pain compliance’ before being charged with ‘rioting’ at the Republican National Convention.

Photo by AnomalousNYC

Photo by AnomalousNYC

A group of protestors and a journalist being pepper sprayed by police. The journalist was also later charged with ‘rioting.’

Photo by AnomalousNYC

Photo by AnomalousNYC

A policeman stands on a bridge waiting for protesters, journalists and bystanders who are being corralled onto the bridge from which there is no escape:

Photo by alshain49

Photo by alshain49

Police on the bridge then mass arrest the corralled journalists, bystanders and protesters where they had been cornered:

Photo by The UpTake

Photo by The UpTake

By the end of the event, the organizers of the protests had been charged with “furthering terrorism” (charges later dropped) and only embedded journalists were not intimidated or arrested.

Journalist embedded with police

Journalist embedded with police

Where was the international outrage?

And where, by the way, was our color coded revolution??

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71 Responses to Stacy blog: Where was the international outrage at #USelection? [Updated]

  1. Where was the international outrage?
    The mainstream media are showing increasingly less
    of all these fascist police-state events!

  2. Re: Where was the international outrage?

    There was none due to laziness, ignorance, inertia, ignorance,selfishness, ignorance, cowardice, ignorance, separation, ignorance, conditioning, ignorance and a total lack of understanding of world politics, fascism, history, manipulation, propoganda, capitalism, the monetary system and the true evil that exists in the world and its far reaching consequences. In other words most people are f*cking clueless and when the proverbial sh*t does hit the fan and they can’t even afford to put food on the table maybe, just maybe, they’ll start to ask some difficult questions and begin to accept the unpalatable truths. Of course, once they do begin to entertain the idea of ‘truth’ it’ll be too much for them and you’ll see people having nervous breakdowns all over the place or running to get even more potent anti-depressents/drugs to block it all out.

  3. One word: apathy. Apathy in anything important. Would you rather hear this police brutality or what the latest celebrities are naming their babies or what the latest iphone will feature?

  4. I’m outraged! Thanks for the simple clarification in pics. The global government cometh, as predicted 2000 years ago. (Revelation 13:12-17) Our duty is to expose evil and proclaim truth. You guys do a good job! Thank you!

    Please stay on the 134.5 billion bond story. It’s a clear pic of the emperor without clothes.

  5. I bet it must be fun for some of these police to put on all the gear and run around military style and clobber people.

    I mean, when most boys were children, didn’t they imagine they were armored street fighting ninja warriors?

    These cops are just living out pre-adolescent fantasies.

    I bet a few even jizzed while banging their batons around…

    On a different tack– these cops also enjoy the extra pay they get for these events, as they are usually given double time to work the extra hours…

    Imagine, living out childhood fantasies and getting extra pay for it!!

    Woohoohoo!

  6. Northern Monkey

    Yep, defo, O.C.P.

  7. @Scott … ” put on all the gear and run around military style and clobber people.”

    Agree 100% Scott.

    I mean, don’t they feel STUPID all dressed up like that ?
    I know I would be ashamed of myself to be caught dressed like one of the Empire’s Stormtroopers !
    Just pathetic !

    And … while we’re on this subject … I dislike and distrust most people in uniform … and count “business pinstripes” as a sign of conformity …. to the establishment .
    When I see people dressing up as bandsmen, cheerleaders, american-footbal players, it makes me just laugh. Those “american-footbal dresses” always remind me of pansies . Why don’t they play a man’s game like rugby ?
    ;-)

  8. jon in montana

    I wonder where the powers that be find these gustapo types to be these thug police people. HOw do you brainwash people to become police or gestapo and teach them to hate their own people.

  9. @ solomio…re: msm.
    @ Scott, Oregon……..acting out their childhoods
    Yes and the reason as to why may have something to do with this:-

    Why can’t media and political figures form genuine sentiment or thought? My suspicion is this: Those who grow up in the childrens’ wading pools of America, entranced by their toys and watched over by nanny capitalism in suburbia or Gotham, never glimpse the deep waters, and therefore live out their lives as children, capable only of childish perception. And in dispensing their perceptions as reality from their positions of power, they further infantilize our entire nation.

  10. Northern Monkey

    Its a club, the cops love a good ruck and they get paid for it.

  11. snoop diddy

    yeah it’s pretty horrible over there at the moment. Any contact with Afshin and is he going alright?

  12. @Sharon.. “entranced by their toys”

    Joni Mitchell : Shiney toys

    http://jonimitchell.com/music/song.cfm?id=15

    Some bits and pieces ..

    *** Joni being cynical about Shiney toys …

    Shiny toys right on time
    Celebrated people and their claims to fame
    Here’s a boy and his money
    And pictures of the winners in the latest Ratepoll games
    Whatever makes your time feel satisfyin’
    “Oh I’m so excited”
    Flashy boys and girls that really play (good good good)
    Shiny toys when it’s over don’t you hate to have to put your toys away
    Shiny toys “I love my Porsche”

    *** Joni’s (real) world …..

    Simple joys
    Walking on the beach at the end of the day
    Between the sand and the seagulls
    Watching the glorious sun setting on the bay

    ;-)

  13. snoop diddy

    ffs, 2 reports of tow helicopters dropping boiling water on peoples heads. I hope it’s not true.

  14. Gilgamesh Andersson

    Beautiful collage, very well done indeed.

  15. snoop diddy

    ok it sounds like it isnt boiling water, it’s possibly an irritant that feels like boiling water

  16. This is truly an excellent post .West needs to get off their asses stop bothering about problems in other nations and stop pitying them and smurk with a sense of pride looking at the pitfalls in other natiosn and realise the facist regime that is running them under the cover of freedom

  17. snoop diddy

    I havent got any further confirmation of that so treat with some suspicion at this stage.

  18. @snoop diddy – please don’t post any twitter rumours here! most of them turn out to be disinfo; read Robert Fisk who is on the ground in Tehran where he has not had any problem moving about freely and reporting contrary to the widely reported claims of a crackdown on foreign journalists: http://bit.ly/cteO1

  19. snoop diddy

    well nothing confirmed yet but apparently if it is being used this probably what it is.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CR_gas

    or possibly CS gas.

  20. snoop diddy

    yeah I read that thanks.

  21. @pre-emptively

    This one keeps cropping up in the law – the idea that you can arrest people for crimes THEY MIGHT BE GOING TO COMMIT.

    I mean come on, I know we sell futures and project there compulsively, but this idea that the law can somehow anticipate crimes defies logic.

    If you haven’t committed a crime YOU HAVEN’T COMMITTED A CRIME! And if you haven’t committed a crime then the law has no right to arrest you. To pretend that the thought of the crime or the prospect of the crime is part of the crime, is to embark upon the flight of one of Zeno’s arrows. You embark upon a course of infinite regress, if not regrets.There is no quantifying-out here, the crime is not any part but only the whole and completed crime!

    Am I screaming into an abyss here?
    Where are the officers of the law with a firm grounding in logic, if not analytical philosophy?

    I think a little Socratic inquisition is called for.

  22. And another thing –

    It’s the same with those pathetic claims against prospective terrorists or in justifying torture , where anything now goes if it has prevented another 9/11 (11/9).

    But how can you ever prove what might have happened, when it comes to human endeavour? You can’t. That much can be proven. People don’t always do what they say, believe many things without acting upon them, and even when they do act, there is frequently no guarantee their actions obtain the desired results. The causal chain is fraught with options, accident and chance.The absurd idea that the law can appeal to the future to decide the past is another instance of authority drunk on it’s own power.

    And they wonder why we have terrorism!

    TRY MAKING JUST LAWS!

  23. I think nowadays the police are recruited for their sociopathic tendencies and their need to go on a power trip.
    This world is getting more screwed up by the minute.
    Anyone want to start a revolution? I’m up for it but somehow I think that’s what they want coz they sure as hell are pushing it.

  24. Revolutions are generally fuelled by the upper middle class in any society. Cheered on by disaffected upper class fuelled by outside forces that want to see changein that country.

    Americas outside forces hates american guts.
    The upperclass are getting rich quick / getting outta dodge
    And the UMiddle class are via their own utube / web sites blaming all classes lower than them for being cowardly scum whilst getting rich quick / getting outta dodge.

    Was there ever really an America? Has the great experiment in humanity coming together failed?

  25. I counted about 390 or so (14×28) people detained and corralled in the park to be arrested near the water front of the Mississippi river on Sept 1, 2008 at the RNC.

    Three US Coast Guard vessels were in the water pointing 6 m-60 machine guns at the crowd. I had images of the massacre from the Great Escape where a similar scene was out-layed to American POWs by NAZI executioners.

    I was trapped in the mass arrest and put in solitary for three days without charge. I was riding my bicycle on the sidewalk trying to find the free speech zone near the RNC. Another individual whom was arrested with me was riding a public bus on his way to work at the convention center when he was pulled off and arrested as he passed through the detainment zone. Yet another was a standby delegate to the convention itself, in the park listening to the concert. It was a baseless sweep that even picked up the prosecuting attorneys son who was in the park listening tho the Rage Against the Machine concert across the water.

    You dont truly have rights, simply the illusion thereof.

    I witnessed police brutality and cruelty to children. I witnessed a riot pig shaking a grenade in a 11 year childs face as he was walking on the sidewalk while other “name removed” riot cops pointed loaded weapons at fearful chatting citizens on the sidewalk.

    Eventually about 1 mile of Mississippi water front park was pushed and all those within arrested. I was left with ultra tight plastic tie-wraps on by wrist for at least 3 hours in a converted city bus awaiting transport to jail, long past the point when my hands went numb. I was hummilated and berated when they were removed as I literralu could not move my arms more than a few inched so that I could be further searched. Arms numb from the sholders down. I, a grown man, a disabled US Army veteran was left at the will of the State, my so called protector.

    The park where they pushed everybody to just happend to be the park where the prosecuting attorneys son was listening to the Rage Against the Machine concert(released w/o charge). I was jailed with his tutor it seems who was arrested and charged as well.

    People often ask what they will do when rounded up? The immoral prostitutes want their money so you will get arrested, beaten down or shot point blank with riot guns, “resistance IS futile.”

    Under duress and threat I submitted to detainment. I however under religious guidelines do not understand the Jurisdiction of the court. Therefore I will not submit willfully to evil again and thus have sworn off all court dates.

    If you have read this far please make a stand with me against corruption by signing the original Bill Of Rights.
    http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/iou/

    The Bill Of Rights is our final invoice, none other shall be issued by the people to their servants. NONE!

  26. Ideas
    (1) Police should be renamed the “Pain Compliance Administrators” to more appropriately title their utility in this bureaucratic stranglehold that we exist under.

    (2) A great idea for an “Art ” exhibition – mosaics, collages, statutes, finger paintings of our “Pain Compliance Administrators” exhibiting deadly and sometimes not so deadly force on those who dare to “rise up” or “speak up” on values, freedom and liberty. I think that would be beautiful and aesthetically arresting to see this exhibit at the Getty or MOMA.

  27. The average person has such deference for police. In looking up the definition of “deference” to reacquaint with the specifics underlying that word’s meaning – it means – “respectful submission or yielding to the judgment, opinion, will, etc., of another” and “respectful or courteous regard: in deference to his wishes.” That seems an appropriate definition per dictionary.com.

    Police – Government Bureaucrats – Financial Agents – it is all the same thing.

    These 3 areas are crippling humanity’s ability to innovate and express individually when either from the bottom, physical force or from the top through legal structure or from the core of life’s blood, taxes and financial legerdemain. It is all interconnected.

  28. Great post guys.
    You know I like it when people talk about justice, human rights, and so on and so forth.
    The Baroness was right to say that there is no society. What she had in mind, was that she considered her group of people of such high culture, that they can function organized, to grab and protect as much as possible. All the rest of us are just individuals more or less, who try not to drown in the ocean.
    If we have other values, if we are any better, we should educate ourselves, organize, and create a true society, stop being their cattle.
    Thank you Stacy and Max for putting so much effort into that.

  29. Goddamn you resonance! I need my TAM fix. What are they always smoking over there? Put down the pasties…

  30. Reading all the comments helps one realise how easy it is to divide folk,…..shame really.
    TV,.Radio,..Internet,…papers,…..quite the powerful middlemen!

  31. The answer is lack of identification with the protesters. There is no empathy with these victims because there is no handle to identify them in the public domain. If they where chearleaders, boy scouts, vietnam veterans, ‘children’, in short easily denominated indivduals the majority public would not be able to suppress their empathy..

    The problem is caused by the mental prominence of celebrities, by the strong reinforcement of the ‘correct’ lifestyle while at the same time undemining moral and social cohesion through ‘humor’ like the simpsons and family guy. People have been gutted.

    In dutch an insult is a ‘belediging’, literaly a deflation. It describes the feeling of being morally deflated, emptied of pride. That is what has been going on so much, people have little left to support any indignation.

    The solution is to create a new identity that celebrates being reviled. Dutch history has a term for it, its the ‘Geuzen naam’ or Beggers name (from the french word gueux, beggar). it stems form the 16th centry where the middle class aristocracy became suppresed by the top tier. When they complained about it and Margaretha van Parma expressed worry about it one of the ruling aristocracy Karel van Berlaymont: said: ”Don’t worry madam, they are just beggars’. Hendrik van Bredero was the first to celebrate the name by toasting to it three days later. People wore the name with pride. This shared identity motivated many revolts and eventually enabled victory in the 80 year war against spanish occupation that created Holland..

    So the starting point should be the fleeced sub billionairs.

    Suggestions : losers, whiners, ninjas, terrorists, whities

    Or, elicit an insult from Cramer and you have the name..

    btw: Pain Compliance = Torture?

  32. “Reading all the comments helps one realise how easy it is to divide folk,…..shame really.”

    I was thinking the same thing.

  33. Is Ron Paul the only sane American left?

    The House voted 405-1 today for a resolution in support of the Iranian dissidents and condemning the ruling government. And the one man who opposed it was…Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX).

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/19/ron-paul-is-sole-no-vote_n_218199.html

  34. to LA

    A poem of William Blake which I composed

    A Little BOY Lost from

    Songs of Experience

    “Nought loves another as itself,
    “Nor venerates another so,
    “Nor is it possible to Thought
    “A greater than itself to know:

    “And Father, how can I love you
    “Or any of my brothers more?
    “I love you like the little bird
    “That picks up crumbs around the door.”

    The Priest sat by and heard the child,
    In trembling zeal he siez’d his hair:
    He led him by his little coat,
    And all admir’d the Priestly care.

    And standing on the altar high,
    “Lo! what a fiend is here!” said he,
    “One who sets reason up for judge
    “Of our most holy Mystery.”

    The weeping child could not be heard,
    The weeping parents wept in vain;
    They strip’d him to his little shirt,
    And bound him in an iron chain;

    And burn’d him in a holy place,
    Where many had been burn’d before:
    The weeping parents wept in vain.
    Are such things done on Albion’s shore?

  35. Wearing a disguise with the intent to commit a crime is also a crime. Most of these police are in effect wearing disguises.

    The powerful only get their power through the support of the weak. I can’t make the weak strong. So unless somebody knows how to make a coward courageous, this is all pointless. Very few people are even courageous enough to seek an honest understanding of the world. They seek “truth” that comforts. Such weakness is bound to be exploited.

  36. From Sun Tze ‘The art of war’

    Throw your soldiers into positions whence there is no escape, and they will prefer death to flight. If they will face death, there is nothing they may not achieve. Officers and men alike will put forth their uttermost strength.

    Soldiers when in desperate straits lose the sense of fear. If there is no place of refuge, they will stand firm. If they are in hostile country, they will show a stubborn front. If there is no help for it, they will fight hard.

    I like to think without restrictions, so in that light i have been viewing the feds actions as preparation for war. A broke, satrved, bankrupt and disoriented US will be ready to fight, and not much to conquer.

    But the abandoness motivated by the induced desperation may just as easily be diverted towards a more just cause. The MSM will not let that happen though.

  37. @Solomio,………Lovely poem.

  38. Excellent post. I was thinking about something similar.

    Here’s what happens to women in the USA if the dare to peacefully protest.

    http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0407-06.htm

  39. Wow! Great job Max and Stacy!
    I suspect the people will rise up when nothing is left. No more rights, no food, no work, and possiblity of no guns.

    Americans are armed to the teeth with guns; I dont get it. You know all the players whom are oppressing the population: Bush, Obama, Cheney, Rockerfellers,Council of Foreign Realtion members, Trilater Commission Members, Wall Street Crooks in the White House and ye No One Has Taken these guys to jail or worse.

    The Revolution is going to start State by State. That’s the only way, America will reclaim itself to what the founding fathers wanted for this country. If Each State had the guts to arrest the above mentioned players then there would be some real change. Otherwise, the water temperture will rise until the frog is almost cooked before action is taken. The Globalist know this and pushing us harder and harder against the wall.

  40. jon in montana

    how do you teach or create a police or gestapo type to hate on people. JUst doing their job. Is it the money we give these gestapo police types so they can beat us up.

    Something ain’t right. Do the police beat up everyone they’re told to beat up. Do they know what they’re doing.

    HOw can someone sleep in peace at night knowing your a brutal bought off gestapo type. Or do these types just love it.

  41. Here is Paul Craig Roberts on the situation:

    http://counterpunch.org/roberts06192009.html

    The claim is made that Ahmadinejad stole the election, because the outcome was declared too soon after the polls closed for all the votes to have been counted. However, Mousavi declared his victory several hours before the polls closed. This is classic CIA destabilization designed to discredit a contrary outcome. It forces an early declaration of the vote. The longer the time interval between the preemptive declaration of victory and the release of the vote tally, the longer Mousavi has to create the impression that the authorities are using the time to fix the vote. It is amazing that people don’t see through this trick.

    After watching all of Adam Curtis’ documentary series over the past few weeks, it is hard not to see the propaganda at work. It’s sad really how easy it is. So many of my friends are writing with maniacal fervor about what they believe to be a real revolution.

  42. @jon in montana – it’s pretty much the majority of americans who hate resistance

    by the way, i wonder if all these maniacal twitterers realize that mousavi founded hezbollah? just saying . . .

  43. Mr Supergeek

    TAM20/06/09 No Show ?

  44. jon in montana

    isn’t it all about a very few people that want to hang onto the power they have. THey hire thugs and the mentally challegned with big biceps to kill or hurt anyone that migh infringe on the few people in powers jurisdiction.

    Power corrupts. Absolute power corrupts absolutely.

  45. You know… I can’t even remember what the protesters at the National Conventions were protesting about?

    The trouble with “Revolution” is that nobody seems to have a clear idea what it is they WANT, they just know they don’t want what they have…

    Here in the US, we have (I should say HAD) a pretty good system set up, what with THE BILL OF RIGHTS and all…

    Should we all just demand that we go back to the Constitution? I mean REALLY GO BACK? Actually pay attention to the 4th Amendment and the powers preserved for the state? Dump all the laws that misinterpret the Commerce Clause and use it to justify just about anything goes?

    I mean, I don’t want to see a bunch of Americans running down the street protesting. Imagine? In Spain they have the running of the bulls…

    In America? The running of the milk cows?

    Lordy lordy.

  46. Glad I don’t live in the States. Even when I visited supposedly-liberal San Francisco 10 years ago, at most of the open events I attended (markets, sporting event), I got an uncomfortable sense of the police being everywhere, well-armed, ready, and perhaps even hoping, for trouble. And despite the stereotypical image of the brutish Irish-American cop, we just dont have that police state feel in Ireland. The flipside to this is having to put up with the loutish hen & stag parties from that other creeping totalitarian state, the UK, in Dublin on the weekends.

  47. @Stacy

    I think the US election/revolt was coded brown.

    That’s one word for it.

    And it doesn’t help to look back over previouis election results either, fretting over revolution. Remember Florida? It can only be a matter of time before international outcry demands UN observers from suitably neutral nations like Rwanda and UAE be sent to scrutinise US electoral procedure.

  48. Hey Stacy,
    I was wondering if you had done any research in webots predictive forecasts ? Since Max developed his own trading platform, it would be interesting to hear his perspective as well…..

  49. You have to remember: in the US we have been classicly conditioned by the meadia to view the protesters, not as citizens exercising their rights to free speech and to assemble but as rebel rousers who just won’t get a job, pay their taxes and shut up!. That is what we have been ”trained’ to believe by the media with eveyr subtle piece of body language added to a story, eye movement tossing the hair all says “That is crazy people, but you smart ones know that, so DON’T BE LIKE THEM! DON’T STAND OUT, or you won’t be cool and smart. Now behave and go back to sleep” As they lull their victims into the dream, the unspeakable dream.

    I read something the other day, I think that cities were given grenade launchers from stimulus money. Now from “non-lethal” tasers to definitely lethal grenade launchers. What do you suppose they have in mind?

  50. Ingvend Storrs

    Where’s the outrage that an empty-suite, fop of a man was hustled into the White House–once again? Where’s the outrage that he’s does not even qualify, constitutionally, to be president?

    Yes, the U.S. has been taken over by the fascists in black. Where’s the outrage?

  51. Ingvend Storrs

    To Sharon:

    Quote:
    I think nowadays the police are recruited for their sociopathic tendencies and their need to go on a power trip.
    This world is getting more screwed up by the minute.
    Anyone want to start a revolution? I’m up for it but somehow I think that’s what they want coz they sure as hell are pushing it.

    Sharon, you are dead–on–balls accurate!! Absolutely!

  52. I can’t express how glad I was to see this…

    when I go to Sullivan’s blog and look at what’s going on in Iran, the photos look like St Paul, and Los Angeles, and San Diego, and New York…

    minus the dead people…tho folks are being tazed to death all over the states, and here in Canada, too.

    willful blindness + crap, right-wing-controlled media.

    it’s beyond shameful.

    Thanks for doing what you did.

  53. @m steele – that’s what prompted us to write this as well . . . sullivan’s blog; while the first day or two the information was gripping, by the third or fourth day I started to see the same story written over and over in all media from MSM to, yes, twitter; and the images being used in all the coverage were powerful but they reminded me of g20 protests or the republican convention

    anyway, you all must go to the huffpo piece to see just how frightening things are and why it is so so dangerous to be there . . .

  54. Mr Supergeek

    New wave of foreclosures in u.s….

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/8102408.stm

  55. @ewjohnson .. well made video .. Thx

    Shocking truth … and I’m disgusted .. but not really surprised.

  56. @JAPANESE BONDS .. Denninger keeps digging …

    The Bond Saga: It Gets More Odd
    http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1142-The-Bond-Saga-It-Gets-More-Odd.html

    …. ” “Based on the photograph we’ve seen online, they are clearly fake. And not even good fakes,” said Stephen Meyerhardt, a spokesman for the Treasury’s Bureau of the Public Debt. ” ….

  57. Mr Supergeek

    CIA recruiting on Wall Street……(maybe old news to some dunno)……..

    http://forums.wallstreetexaminer.com/index.php?showtopic=823623

  58. “Disruptive protesters” are normally paid for groups or undercover police there’s no such thing as a disruptive protester your either protesting/demonstrating or your being disruptive.

    Alex Jones has some good videos on anarchy groups paid for to taint protesters

    Heres an example

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S1nHvvkzvA

  59. @Dan – yes, if you watch that video above, it is quite obvious that the ‘disruptive protesters’ smashing windows all have brand new ‘anarchist outfits;’ watch also the way that they move . . . ;

    according to the bbc this morning, one protester was shot yesterday from a guy ‘disguised in civilian clothing’ in a window of a private residence . . . of course, we have been conveniently prepped that the basiji don’t wear uniforms . . .

  60. To Mike King.

    This is the most comprehensive commentary I have read to date on the Real Changes occuring NOW.

    Will digest and return comments.

    Stacy and MAX

    RDU, yes RDU. Thats what I`m talking about.

    Great show.

    I`m a kiwi living amounst kangaroos, so I enjoy the euro/kiwi perspective.

    Check out the Residential Stimulas in OZ.

    up to $ 21,000 AU for 1 st home buyers.
    50% off stamp duty for homes up to $ 600,000 / or $ 11,000 AU( for investment , 2nd, 3rd ,etc home buyers . Not available for 1st home buyers ).
    Subsidies for Tank Water , Solar Systems.
    Oh also subsidised New car ownership schemes.
    Not to mention the lowest interest rates they have had for years.

    No such thing in NZ.( as far as I know )
    But Low Doc , No Doc loans were everywhere afew yeas ago ( GE were into it . Wizard Loans )

    Could you please summerize the difference between what we have seen in USA , OZ and NZ , in relation to residential housing .
    It will help many who are confused. Also ,I wish not ,that the debt trap, will ensnare many with these incentives.

    My regards

  61. It is not the police that one must place their ire. It is those put in office who take on what they think themselves entitled to do and act on in the name of ‘control’ where innocent civilians lives are in need of protection. These persons you have elected, who believe they have every right to harm innocent civilians, youth, are the real culprits you should be demanding answers from everywhere. With these persons elected remain real justice misguided. As to real and free journalism, here in America, Bush helped to kill the voice of the peoples and real journalists! From elected officials, banking, housing, human rights, the American peoples have more or less offered little to really speak up at home or abroad. When you allowed business to flow freely with the Chinese Communists, right there you threw away America’s future and our good name and credit. The hand writing was already on the wall by joining forces with the devil! Only now you speak about ‘international outrage’ ? How about outrage here at home? Why do people wait for peoples to be mailigned, innocent peoples and youth, ‘truth’ cornered with no place for escape, charge them as they are, but back down when you find that the courts dismiss the charges. What kind of mentality reigns here at home? We have not yet gained the courage to address the great harm the Bush Administration has done to our country, (in our names) along with our monies.
    His administration surely should have been brought in front of a court of the peoples, and along with his ‘architects’ been thrown in jail!
    Where really is the consciene of the peoples in addressing the crimes that have plundered this country from one end of the country to the other, including the latest bank robbery of the century? If we had at least caught this last administration on the issues of Gitmo, our Human Rights stance might mean something of value to the world. Freedom my foot; the US needs to really start listening to the protestors of the world and here at home and stop listening to whoever they think their advisors are. Because of those ill-addressed advisors, America is paying a very big price everywhere and certainly here at home in our pocket books!
    So, yes I agree Heidi Ajlani, Power To The Iranian Peoples and to all who protest in the name of freedom!
    MADA
    MADA

  62. Fantastic post Stacy, You are absolutely right. These images are almost as bad and the torture photos at Abu Gharib. Where was the outrage from OUR own corrupt government representatives, the rest of the supine media and the international community when these wholesale arrests were going on? And in Denver, even a national ABC news reporter was pushed out into the gutter into oncoming traffic by police and violently arrested for having the audacity to stand on a public street and video lobbyists entering a Democratic fundraiser inside a downtown hotel. It really makes you sick to death of the expanding police state in this country and almost wish there was no money left to finance their over the top jack booted excesses, with its escalating brutality. I hope and pray to God that every cop that took part in the police brutality and unconstitutional arrests that went on at both conventions (as well as the officials that ordered it) suffer great hardship during this depression, along with their families. I hope they lose their homes, lose their money, lose their jobs, and get sick. In fact I hope they starve to death.

    And did you hear the latest? Two cops pointed a gun through the drive thru window at a fast food worker because he didn’t serve them their food fast enough. The cop that brandished his gun is now on administrative leave WITH PAY and the other cop that was with him is STILL on the job. Makes you feel safe, doesn’t it?

    Maybe if we are lucky, there will be a giant earthquake in California and at the same time the caldera beneath Yellowstone Park will massively erupt taking out this whole corrupt system with it. I would rather take my chances against Mother Nature than the corrupt scum now in charge.

  63. @aura – thanks; you should worry more about your fellow citizens, most who will be supporters of Other People’s Color Coded Revolutions, than about the police; if you check out the huffpo comments, you will see that Americans find their own protesters uniquely troublemakers, anarchists, just out looking for to collect on a lawsuit . . . etc.; why? well, because they are subject to their own propaganda about these people, check out the news clip there, listen to the newscaster’s voice and the words she uses, it is no surprise that the people themselves then start viewing these protesters in the same way; now look at how that same newscaster will speak about an uprising of which she knows nothing about in a nation with a different language, culture and an entirely foreign power structure . . . and then watch how the same people respond exactly as they should do

  64. TheBlackSwan

    Ladies and gentlemen our wonderful boys in blue

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jun/21/kingsnorth-protester-arrests-video-complaint

    why on earth, i anyone should refer to these selfless servents, of the public, as the filth, escapes me

  65. Youri Carma

    Gives me a bad stomic today.