Two more protests too inconvenient for the BBC to cover [UPDATED]

Posted on July 5, 2009 by stacyherbert| 73 Comments

Stacy Summary: Part of my data collection / experiment started two weeks ago keeping track of how the news is presented by the BBC and other media outlets – though mostly BBC who insist at every turn that they are uniquely unbiased. Notice that there is no mention of the protests and subsequent clashes in Italy yesterday. Nor, in fact, did any Western media outlet other than Associated Press. AFP, Aljazeera and PressTV covered the story. Check it out on google. BBC did cover possible Abba reunion in September.

Another story the BBC did not report on was the Honduran airport over run by protesters demanding the return of their elected president. Interestingly, this Honduran airport story was covered by the MSM in the US, but not by the Social Media Networks like Twitter where only the intelligence services have the fire power to create the required twam.

UPDATE:

Watch the footage of the president arriving back to Honduras and the tens of thousands of Hondurans there to greet him

Share this page via FacebookShare this page via Twitter
Buy Gold Online
This entry was posted in Max Keiser Video and tagged , . Bookmark the permalink.

73 Responses to Two more protests too inconvenient for the BBC to cover [UPDATED]

  2. maxkeiser | July 5, 2009 at 7:30 am |

    what’s a twam?

    or, are you using it in the definition of the urban dictionary

    1. twam 5 thumbs up love it hate it

    A)Another word for gettin’ some

    B)Pussy

    Gettin head and getting that twam
    pussy tang slit box puss

    http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=twam

  3. stacyherbert | July 5, 2009 at 7:32 am |

    @maxkeiser – twam is twitter spam in the stacy dictionary ;)

  4. maxkeiser | July 5, 2009 at 7:34 am |

    I prefer my DICtionary when talking about your twam.

  5. stacyherbert | July 5, 2009 at 7:36 am |

    @maxkeiser – and congratulations on getting that comment past the akismet spam guard!

  6. sharon | July 5, 2009 at 7:38 am |

    @ stacy,
    Yep, that’d be about right. This has been going on for decades, remember the reporting on Tiananmen Square? Apparantly thousands were killed in Tiananmen Square yet I challenge you to find one piece of solid evidence supporting that, a picture maybe of thousands dead in the square? You won’t find it coz it never happened. Yes, there were protests but where are the dead bodies? Not in the square that’s for sure.

  7. Mother Earth | July 5, 2009 at 7:38 am |

    No wonder bankers want to work for the CIA ;-)

  8. Mike/Liverpool | July 5, 2009 at 7:52 am |

    Just heard, the Bank of England to PRINt ANOTHER £25 Billion………..thats on top of the £125 Billion+ already printed………..but they say thats it……….for awhile..ish.
    Mike

  9. PervySage | July 5, 2009 at 7:53 am |

    stacey, great job. Would be awsome for you guys to figure out some sort of _quantitative_ way to put numbers on this kind of media BS. I bet there ar e a lot of smart, unemployed CS majors that would love to swarm that. All they need is a peerless leader. Someone like you Stacey.

    -Pervy

  10. maxkeiser | July 5, 2009 at 7:56 am |

    maxkeiser@piratemyfilm one of the biggest names in p2p is private testing piratemyfilm I am having that “It’s alive” feeling http://tr.im/qXRb

    http://www.twitter.com/maxkeiser

    http://www.twitter.com/piratemyfilm

  11. Mother Earth | July 5, 2009 at 8:01 am |

    @Stacy Maybe those Italian clashes are so intense because of that recent clawback by some banks that where sold ‘counterfeit bonds’ by the US. It would be interesting to me to know if the protesters where motivated by a broader antipathy against the US..

    The green revolution has managed to split the clergy in Iran http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8134904.stm

    @max I’m curious to know what you think of those ideas regarding speaking directly to duped credit card debt holders in order to rally support for Karmabanque. There will be other opportunities no doubt..

  12. stacyherbert | July 5, 2009 at 8:02 am |

    @PervySage – would love help! I am interested in two areas – one Twitter and how it is used to push MSM news and opinion. On this, I have been tirelessly collecting video screen capture for the past two weeks of the real Twitter Trending Topics. I have used Twitscoop.com and left it running for hours and even days on end comparing searches between Michael Jackson and #iranelection and then with other big topics that come up and it is very clear that #iranelection is being intentionally kept on the list. You can go to twitscoop and it gives you the graph for the past three days and you can see there clearly that it is not trending so high that it would have remained CONSTANTLY every single day, every single hour on the top ten topics since June 13. It dropped off once or twice but only for about 10 minutes at most. I’m interested in trying to collect this data from as many sources. It’s just data right now and I don’t know what it means or why it is being kept there. Eventually I will contact the owners of Twitter or try to and see how they maintain that list and ask whether or not they were asked to keep that on the list by the state department.

    If anyone else wants to use screen capture or any other way of capturing data on real streams on Twitter (only because this is now being used by the MSM as a way to determine what to report on and it is clearly forming opinion as you can see many twitterers comment on what is in the trending topics.

    On the MSM, I am comparing, again, with screen capture, how they respond to protests by other people. Whether middle class protesters are treated differently to peasant protesters – like those in Honduras and Peru. Or when middle class – if they protest against US military base or against globalization how they are painted (taking images and evidence of the words the BBC uses to describe the various protesters);

    I have so much bloody footage now though and will have to start assembling into a film . . . maybe I will raise the financing on PirateMyFilm?? Anybody up for getitng in on my action?

  13. PervySage | July 5, 2009 at 8:04 am |

    I just cant shake this idea of a karmabanque-esque effort to call BS on the MSM. How could this be carried out in a decentralized p2p way to make it robust against intervention by the oligarchy? Maybe something like tor? Hmmmm… very interested suddenly.

  14. PervySage | July 5, 2009 at 8:13 am |

    Stacey,

    These things you are doing are super, and I’m not sure what can be done with what you have in hand. I’m just wondering about the next step. Its clear that joe six pack and pablo two tequilas and pasquale one pernod are going to have to get off their butts and be the alternative media. The corporate media is just totally compromized, no question. So, how to provide a platform to agregate, verify and concentrate all that citezen reporting from all over the world? It has tohave a mechanism for multiple sourcing. It has to be robust against twam, yet provide anonymity. Need to get some of these swedish and german
    pirates involved, no doubt.

    I really think you’ve taken the first step here towards something like that, if you know it or not. You certainly have your finger on a very important media signature of disinformation. Interesting times for sure, call for interesting people. You guys are doing a great job.

    -Pervy

  15. Mr Supergeek | July 5, 2009 at 8:22 am |

    @Stacy
    getTITing on your action only If you bring that white leather jacket….

  16. Mother Earth | July 5, 2009 at 8:22 am |

    @stacy I could probably help you in capturing twam (I use a grabbing algorithm to get the kitco data). I could create a statistics tool capturing all media frontpages and counting the ocurrences of specific topics..

  17. stacyherbert | July 5, 2009 at 8:23 am |

    @PervySage – thanks; yes, I think there needs to be a more robust Twitter like platform; I wouldn’t know how to begin weeding out the disinfo and intelligence services that plug away at them

    I have to admit I fell for the stream for the first 24 hours until Robert Fisk wrote that piece from the ground and I hadn’t one single correction in the tweet stream nor on Huffpo or Andrew Sullivan; so I got a little curious and looked at some of the twitterers RT the claims that Fisk had debunked and at least 50% of them were obviously fake and had been active only since the election . . . so I started to think about how this perception push could be applied to various other things . . . either direction; so for whatever reason, Michael Jackson was actually not that much of a trending topic despite having real huge numbers even still now . . . MJ’s was ranked highly for awhile though Michael Jackson references were about 100 x the rate of people referring to MJ

    Don’t know what it means yet, but clearly the data disagrees with their list

  19. Mother Earth | July 5, 2009 at 8:58 am |

    @M & S The P.H.A.T.W.A. episode of the stimulator channel (the one with the tent city dweller video) shows you can easily start and operate a radio station in the US without a license..

  20. stacyherbert | July 5, 2009 at 9:27 am |

    @Mother Earth – that would be cool! Let me think about how best to structure something. All comments welcome!

  21. Mother Earth | July 5, 2009 at 9:34 am |

    @stacy Ok. Any readble website (not flash) can be analyzed and tracked, including tweetstreams..

  22. PervySage | July 5, 2009 at 9:40 am |

    Stacey,

    Your point about recent twitters is extremely important. In my thoughts, it would seem that there would have to be statistics related to a sources veracity, and statistics related to multiple sources. At some point two less reputable sources are statistically more significant than one reliable one. BUT, the assymptote that you experienced, with so many new tweets would have to be accounted for. This is certainly an interesting problem in math and cs. I bet Richard Stallman has something to say about that! You guys should have him on anyway.

    -PS

  23. M | July 5, 2009 at 9:48 am |

    The cencorship of western MSM is heavier in my opinion than in China. The people of China are more or less aware of what is not allowed. We “in the west” are said to be free but yet we are given false and misleading information and not mention that what we say or do on the Internet is more and more under surveillance.

    Freedom is only an illusion in the west.

  24. Scott from Oregon | July 5, 2009 at 10:24 am |

    This kind of stuff is not new.

    Watching the media turn Ron Paul into a “crazy” and his followers into “kooks” was a real eye opener for me.

    I loved it when Ron Paulites chased Sean Hannity down the street calling him all sorts of obscenities…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNZS9ZuZcrg

  25. PervySage | July 5, 2009 at 10:25 am |

    Another big miss by the MSM was the Cynthia McKinney kidnapping by Israel. That was decidedly NOT covered by anyone except Alex Jones as near as I can tell. A 6-term congress woman is held for 3 days and not a peep from the obama admin?? WTF?!

  27. Giuseppe Bagodonutti | July 5, 2009 at 10:32 am |

    Great Twiddlin Twam, Batman….

    The Italians are pissed off with the American Bases…
    And it’s in the land of “mia famiglia” no less…
    Aviano airbase was originally THE POINT for american operations,
    but since they had problems in the past with threats from “Brigate Rosso” (a quasi-terrorist group in italy),
    and supposedly have NUKES stored there,
    I’m assuming this move to expand the base in Vicenza is just a way to “hedge” their bets in the event of some serious uprising…

    Perhaps the reason the Ass-Munching Turd-Tokers (i.e. MSM) aren’t covering this story is to prevent the KNOWLEDGE of the base expansion from spreading TOO FAR around the globe…

    And another thing…
    The American soldiers that are stationed there (at least around Aviano) have a tendency to wreak drunken havoc in the bars around the towns situated near their bases…

    So I can understand why the Italians DON’T WANT MORE
    “american problems” in the country…
    Berlusconi is such a douche-bag… I wish he would just bend-over and croak while getting stuffed with Obama’s Dildo of Corruption… that would solve SOME problems anyway…

    Check this vid out…
    Originally, you’d think OBAMA didn’t have respect for “il Douche”

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WiYppEt5QSY

    And yet now, they are buddies?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cA0vfjV2BIk

    hypocritical “MULATTO”
    Who is pulling Obama’s strings?

  28. gonzomarx | July 5, 2009 at 10:37 am |

    A quote on living within Dictator’s Media

    During the 1970s, I filmed secretly in Czechoslovakia, then a Stalinist dictatorship. The dissident novelist Zdenek Urbánek told me, “In one respect, we are more fortunate than you in the west. We believe nothing of what we read in the newspapers and watch on television, nothing of the official truth. Unlike you, we have learned to read between the lines, because real truth is always subversive.” John Pilger

  29. Fibon1123 | July 5, 2009 at 10:45 am |

    I want better propaganda on the BBC and other channels they are not worth watching never mind the licence fee. I once complained to the BBC and said I was sick of the propaganda, the woman I was put through to said that where ever you go you will get propaganda as if that justified it.

    The programs are so bad and poor now the are excruciating to watch. I am not talking about any topic but all of them. There is nothing but crap.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMeecwGePL8
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0pajKfN9VP8&feature=related

    I left my £1500 TV in my house when I sold it, it was not worth picking it up, it was quite heavy lol. I don’t plan to buy another, but a house one day. I’m so glad im not loosing money of it any more. -0.7% last month and they call that a rise lol we have a few years of continuous falls yet another 40% and the over shoot.

  30. Mr Supergeek | July 5, 2009 at 10:47 am |

    @GB
    Maybe Dennis Hopper had a better clue…..

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pm_LbJTvTWA

  31. paddy | July 5, 2009 at 10:55 am |

    re media bias in the uk
    have a look at http://www.medialens.org
    this is a great site that has been analyzing the media in the uk for the past 5 years or so. lots to say about the bbc, & the broad sheets. worth a look
    cheers

  32. Giuseppe Bagodonutti | July 5, 2009 at 10:57 am |

    @Fat Freddy from Oregon…

    BWAHAHAHahahaha…
    “So what did you order?”
    “A scone”
    BITCH-SLAP!!!!

    Super Jesus to the rescue….

  33. Giuseppe Bagodonutti | July 5, 2009 at 11:00 am |

    @Mr.Supergeek

    I was JUST thinking about that clip.. thanx for posting it…
    There is truth to it…
    The Italians (at least the southerners) “i terroni”, are “Mulatti”…

  34. harry_w | July 5, 2009 at 11:25 am |

    stacy,
    twam? I think there’s another term in use:

    FT Alphville: Twitter for those dirty, alpha-seeking strategies
    Posted by Gwen Robinson on Jun 24 08:52.
    “Hedge fund managers are turning to Twitter in an attempt to steal a march on their rivals, or so The Daily Telegraph tells us on Wednesday.

    “That’s very interesting, because several hedge fund managers we spoke to dismissed the idea variously as “all twatter” and “rubbish” – not least because Twitter has carved a reputation more for unfounded speculation and even sensational disinformation …”

    I think the derivation is fairly obvious (twitter/chatter/tw…).

    The Telegraph were publicising a press release from an interesting company on the social networking scene, Streambase, who specialise in Complex Event Processing (CEP), which is the high-tech version of your twitter-monitoring:

    “Streambase — whose client base includes Royal Bank of Canada and London-based hedge fund BlueCrest Capital Management — was commissioned to develop the software by several “unnamed” clients.

    “The company, whose investors include Inqtel, Central Intelligence Agency’s venture capital arm, claims it could give traders an edge when deciding whether to trade on breaking news, like terrorist attacks and natural disasters, rather than waiting for the information to be filtered through providers like Reuters Thomson or Bloomberg…”

    The FT Alphaville post links to the Streambase CEO’s blog, giving an indication of how twitterers are actually viewed in the data mining scheme of things:

    Trading on Twitter: Opportunity, Danger, or Folly?

    “…Todd C. Mirabella, chief investment officer and principal of New York hedge fund QAT, says one of the uses he has found for Twitter is to help look at market volatility and compare it. “So how we get our information, that’s the trick. Twitter can give us information on retail ” [Tweeters] are the herd,” he says.”

    The technology is advertised as two-way, allowing twatter to be generated too – useful for moving the herd and/or targeting selected users.

    The CIA venture capital firm, In-Q-Tel are also involved in the background with the another major social networking site, Facebook:

    Do you have Facebook? (youtube)

    It puts social network sites’ insistence that ,a href=”http://www.downloadsquad.com/2009/06/14/facebook-goes-behind-your-back-to-present-your-profile-to-people/”>users grant access to all e-mail contacts and sign away all rights to privacy. It facilitates data-mining and network-profiling, not only by that site, but also any other client they might do business with.

    Having gathered so much personal data from users, Facebook are now looking to leverage it, in a way that resembles Streambase’s data-mining the twitter-stream:

    Time: Facebook’s Big Move Toward the AfterWeb
    By Josh Quittner Monday, Apr. 27, 2009
    “Facebook announced it was opening up the “stream” — the real-time feed of members’ status updates, wall posts and such — to outside developers. Developers can now create new programs that mashup and remix those core data, making the information more useful and fun for members.”

    Maybe Streambase would be happy to share what their monitoring reveals about twitterers and news events in Iran, Honduras, and Colombia. ;)

  35. Phil | July 5, 2009 at 11:38 am |

    Optimism Opium versus Pessimism Porn

    Gerald Celente
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Is8vxzE7v0g

    … “Kids are going to graduate … doing what ?” …

    BTW
    China produces 400,000 Engineering Graduates PER YEAR.
    They have far more Internet users than Germany.
    FWIW

  36. Giuseppe Bagodonutti | July 5, 2009 at 11:49 am |

    Meanwhile,

    Someone, or some GROUP, keeps bombing Encana’s Natural Gas Pipe-lines in North-eastern BC…
    http://www.cbc.ca/canada/british-columbia/story/2009/07/04/bc-pipeline-bombing-encana.html

    It makes me wonder if this is some INSIDER event (i.e. false flag operation) to raise the price of Natural Gas….
    After-all, it seems to work for the OIL industry…

  37. 13blackcats | July 5, 2009 at 11:57 am |

    An expatriate American in Honduras: La Gringa’s Blogicito

    http://lagringasblogicito.blogspot.com/search/label/Honduran%20democratic%20crisis

    As Hondurans brace for confrontation, Cardinal Oscar Rodriguez appeared on state television imploring Zelaya to stay abroad, warning of a bloodbath. Are OAS thugs having second thoughts about participating in a standoff on the Toncontin tarmac? Argentina’s President Cristina Fernandez said no other leaders would accompany Zelaya, contradicting an earlier statement from Zelaya that the presidents of Argentina and Ecuador and the leader of the Organization of American States would escort him back to power.

  38. frances snoot | July 5, 2009 at 11:58 am |

    Here is an example of censorship where the President is let off the hook for failing to deliver the jobs promised through the stimulus. The name Obama is censored and instead, well as usual the scapegoat is Biden!
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/07/05/biden-ignores-warnings-of_n_225888.html

    How blatant can it get?

    (Horrible article that claims we are in the fix we are because not ENOUGH money was spent by .gov!)

  39. Mother Earth | July 5, 2009 at 12:04 pm |

    @random and sideways..

    Here’s something I would consider essential culture for french incorporation..The singer also sang in dutch..

    French radio used to have quota’s so the average frenchman would hear this music about 3 times a day ;-)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOcDwYQPp0Y

    and

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfqgFoIdeUE

  40. 13blackcats | July 5, 2009 at 12:25 pm |

    @Giuseppe

    More likely it’s a local resident with a grudge against EnCana. Search: oil well bomber Wiebo Ludwig.
    Canada is chock full of eco-terrorist whackos of all shapes and sizes. Today you don’t have to look any further than Toronto’s city council.

    http://www.thestar.com/article/660864

  41. Phil | July 5, 2009 at 12:42 pm |

    FYI –> Biden: Israel free to set own course on Iran
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090705/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_us_iran_israel_5

  42. frances snoot | July 5, 2009 at 12:47 pm |

    Thanks, Phil! not good is it…

  43. Phil | July 5, 2009 at 12:52 pm |

    @frances … ” Vice President Joe Biden signaled that the Obama administration would not stand in the way if Israel chose to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities ”

    Getting back to Biden’s “I promise within 6 months” warning … is this it ? … or is he just trying to aggravate the situation to cause something to happen… to fulfill his “promise ?
    Makes you wonder !
    .. or maybe this was planned anyway ?

  44. zmoore | July 5, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    @13blackcats
    Canadians are limp dicks. They have laws but don’t enforce them.

    For example Tar Sands are very destructive to the environment, you can see effects from the outer space. Despite laws to make the Oil companies restore the tar sands pits mine toxic ponds etc, according to the National Geographic, only 0.4 square miles of land has been restored over the last 35 years. This despite extracting billions of dollars worth of tar and oil and shipping it south to the US for huge profits.

  45. frances snoot | July 5, 2009 at 1:21 pm |

    Obama says one thing; Biden contradicts it. What gives? The two men never talk?

    And the quirky thing about the Biden article concerning the economy is that Summers and Romer weren’t mentioned. Is the “dream team” too sweet to touch? Or are the big boys saving them for future ammunition?

    When is that date you mentioned the other day, Phil? Wasn’t it July? Lots of the Christian sites are mentioning July 11 as being a big one. I am going with the theory that dates never pan out. Maybe fear is the factor?

  46. frances snoot | July 5, 2009 at 1:24 pm |

    @Phil:
    Republicans have been using this equation for years, cause it works: fear=control.

    This time, though, I don’t feel so good about the whole thing.

  47. Giuseppe Bagodonutti | July 5, 2009 at 1:25 pm |

    @Phil

    It would seem to me that MOST Geo-Political activities are staged…
    in this case,
    it’s like a Criminally Violent Thug (USA)
    letting its violently disturbed pitbull (Israel)
    wander the streets…
    trying to egg on the other thugs (Iran, North Korea, etc)
    and incite them to do something rash in retaliation…

    I guess it is true,
    only PSYCHOPATHS make good politicians…
    (since the conscience aspect of the psyche is turned off)

    Although,
    this whole scenario could just be a red-herring to distract the Ass-munching Turd-Tokers from the other crap going on (i.e. the upcoming G8 circle-jerk, the consumerism crisis in USA, etc)

    wars and rumours of wars…
    hmmmm

  48. Giuseppe Bagodonutti | July 5, 2009 at 1:29 pm |

    @zmoore

    Hang on a second…
    the OIL that is shipped to the states is sold at a CUT-RATE thanks to NAFTA
    there is little PROFIT being made there…

    RE: the environmental damage…
    Could you elaborate on that?
    if you are referring to the great CO2 LIE, then that’s bunk…
    if you are referring to the grotesque deformation of the land-mass and pollution of the BOW RIVER, then sure…
    THAT is a problem…
    is there some other “green-disaster” that is inferred?

  49. frances snoot | July 5, 2009 at 1:30 pm |

    @Guiseppi:
    Excellent commentary. You should have a show! Wouldn’t we all prefer it to CNBC over here!!!

    Who are the Ass-munching Turd-Tokers? Sounds like tag-team wrestling!

  50. frances snoot | July 5, 2009 at 1:33 pm |

    @Guiseppe:
    The only complaint I have with your excellent commentary is that I’d switch these two:
    it’s like a Criminally Violent Thug (USA)
    letting its violently disturbed pitbull (Israel)

    to this:
    it’s like a Criminally Violent Thug (Israel)
    letting its violently disturbed pitbull (USA)…

    After all. We are bankrupt.

  51. Dale Sarna | July 5, 2009 at 1:59 pm |

    A Goldman Trading Scandal….

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/31750907

    Something is very fishy with all of this programmed trading.

    Peace

  52. Scott from Oregon | July 5, 2009 at 2:09 pm |

    Fat Freddy?????

    I’ll have you know, I put away the beer and bought George Foreman’s Grill and started doing pull-ups and stuff like Robert D. in Taxi Driver… “You talkin’ to me?”

    I lost almost all of my beer fat (30#’s!) and can sit on a chair without breaking it most of the time!

    Seven more pounds and I can have a beer again…

    Seven more…

    Seven…

    For those who need help in your reporting skills–

    http://www.youtube.com/reporterscenter

  53. Giuseppe Bagodonutti | July 5, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    @Skinny Scott from Oregon…

    GOOD FOR YOU!!!!
    that last 7 is probably going to be the hardest for you to lose though…
    have you thought about trying Meth or Crack?
    It seems to work wonders for the Downtown Denizens I see…

    @Frances Snoot

    the Ass-Munching Turd-Tokers are the MSM (main-stream media)
    I stole that line from “the Stimulator”
    (see the previous video on this website)
    I could never do a “show” since I am little more than a
    Straitjacketed Andy Rooney with Tourette’s and no journalistic sense whatsoever
    It can’t work…
    But I am happy that I haven’t been banned from this site (yet)
    I guess that is a testament to Max ‘n Stacy’s belief in Freedom of Speech…

    Now PHIL or Liverpool Mike… those guys would make good reporters/hosts on a show…
    they got their fingers on the underground pulse

  54. Phil | July 5, 2009 at 2:50 pm |

    @Houston Jan 23. 2010

    The Failure of the Keynesian State (Mises Circle, Houston, sponsored by Jeremy Davis)

    January 23, 2010
    Houston, Texas, Hilton Houston Post Oak

    The Failure of the Keynesian State, sponsored by Jeremy S. Davis.

    REGISTER NOW

    The New Deal began before John Maynard Keynes propagated his theories. But the state was pleased to have a scientific gloss for its looting, inflating, and controlling ways. The question then and the question now is: does this approach actually stimulate the economy. The Great Depression lasted long past the New Deal. In Japan, the Keynesian way has turned a marvelously productive economy into a stagnant and seemingly permanent mess. What will the same path mean for the U.S.?

    Our speakers will address the failures of macroeconomic planning then and now, and urge another path called free enterprise, words that Obama seems to have difficultly uttering to say nothing of practicing.

    Speakers: Doug French, Ron Paul, Lew Rockwell, Tom Woods

    http://mises.org/events/117

    75$ admission.

    Good education and cheap at the price … hope Obama is there !
    ;-)

  55. Phil | July 5, 2009 at 3:13 pm |

    @For German speakers .. Erich von Däniken – Maya Kalender – 2012
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=04OilEWckAU

    He makes some very good points !

  56. harry_w | July 5, 2009 at 3:20 pm |

    Stacy, thx for the update: “UPDATE:
    Watch the footage of the president arriving back to Honduras and the tens of thousands of Hondurans there to greet him”

    From most of the responses on this thread it seems most Americans are too self-absorbed to notice. Too involved in a stream of twitter-conciousness.

    It’s also strange in an era of 24/7 news, much of it dependent on pictures, no english language news network is providing equivalent live coverage to that by Telesur.

    …apart from Al Jazeera who are showing Telesur’s pictures.

  57. harry_w | July 5, 2009 at 3:26 pm |

    CNN have got there ‘Honduras in Crisis’ breaking news together. Telesur pictures too.

  58. stacyherbert | July 5, 2009 at 3:32 pm |

    @harry_w – yes, but they are propaganda aren’t they

    @all – westerners only care about the stories that the intelligence services twam them with

  59. harry_w | July 5, 2009 at 3:37 pm |

    hi Stacy,

    Al Jazeera reported their camera crew witnessed a child (10yo) shot, now report emergency services in Honduras confirm he’s died.

    Al Jazeera’s crew are in the thick of it protestors sheltering from tear gas.

    CNN are yapping to one reporter and a static shot of a large crowd beside a fence.

  60. stacyherbert | July 5, 2009 at 3:39 pm |

    @harry_w – they said this on air?

  61. harry_w | July 5, 2009 at 3:42 pm |

    Yes, Al Jazeera English, reported their camera crew witness police or army shooting into crowds, and one child (aged 10 to 12) hit. They were showing footage from that crew of the aftermath, people sheltering behind a wall, throwing stones, and coughing from tear gas.

    Their latest report said Honduran emergency services had confirmed the child has died.

  62. harry_w | July 5, 2009 at 3:56 pm |

    Al Jaz now talking to the reporter who witnessed it. Silvio Carillo.

    I think he said two children had been shot, mentioned one aged maybe 16.

    Now a cameraman, Alfredo de Lara (?) Describes a calm march to airport, he went to south of airport. Calm protest, chanting. The some younger men tore down the fence, but didn’t enter the airport. Said military called up reinforcements, crowd started throwing stones. Said weapons fired in the 11 minutes of fire. Saw only one soldier level his rifle at the crowd. Saw one man around 30 shot. Was ushered to see the boys who’d had his brains blown out. His mother hysterical, crowd were screaming at him, ‘this is what the coup makers want!’

    Said the crowd of protestors was mixed, men and women of all ages, people ran and just a hundred or so youths stayed throwing rocks and bottles, Saw no arms used, and nothing to justify at least one soldier firing into the crowd.

    Al Jaz say Red Cross report treating up to 30 protesters.

  63. harry_w | July 5, 2009 at 4:10 pm |

    One thing CNN’s reporter mentioned (while missing the news) was that protesters said they supported Zeleya because he had doubled the minimum wage and spent money on school books etc.

    Karl, the English CNN reporter is at the gates of the terminal, he says at other side of airport protesters tried to break into the runway area, the soldiers “were outnumbered’ and had fired, mentioned tear gas. Says unconfirmed reports by witness claiming 3 dead. Say these are not confirmed “by the interim authorities”. Now CNN talking to an American think-tank expert Larry Birns (COHA)…says Zelaya was elected as a conservative, but when he joined Chavez’ trade/econ initiatives he was abandoned by the rich and middle class….says then Zelaya then instituted wage reforms etc…

  64. stacyherbert | July 5, 2009 at 4:14 pm |

    @harry_w – yes, both cnn and bbc are clearly very, very unsympathetic to the peasants though the bbc is being permitted to confirm that at least one person has died

  65. frances snoot | July 5, 2009 at 4:16 pm |

    @Guiseppe:

    Tourettes!! Oh my! At least you don’t come across like a schoolteacher on steriods…:)

  66. harry_w | July 5, 2009 at 4:25 pm |

    Al Jaz now how pictures of [what I presume is] the boy’s mother, and her child being picked up off the ground and taken towards a truck.

    Talking to reporter on the ground, she says the crowd cheering airplanes passing over the airport. Reporter spoke to control tower, who said he could confirm Zelaya plane had entered Honduran airspace, but radar had gone blank.

    We’re all plane-spotters now. ;o)

  67. harry_w | July 5, 2009 at 4:38 pm |

    BBC look like they’re filming from El Salvador.

    vs. CNN have a reporter summarising what Zelaya has said to Telsur, interjecting his own comments.

    vs. Al Jaz, who run a full translation over Zaleya’s statement and extended answers to questions put by Telesur.

    He’s says not possible to land as military have blocked the runway with trucks. He will state his next actions shortly…

  68. frances snoot | July 5, 2009 at 4:57 pm |

    @Stacy:
    Yes, twam stories are the shiz.

  69. frances snoot | July 5, 2009 at 4:58 pm |

    @Phil:
    How hard is it for an American to learn German, scale say 1-10?

  70. Mr Supergeek | July 5, 2009 at 6:48 pm |

    @maxkeiser.com

    thanks for the updates on honduras all…….

  71. harry_w | July 6, 2009 at 4:31 pm |

    No problem at all Mr Supergeek.

    I’m surprised so few [even] here appear to notice another Latin American coup, and appear to be gripped by the monomanical politics of American grievance.

    This sort of thing must be ingrained in the collective conciousness down south.

    Elecciones insólitas
    by Julio Cortázar (1970) +
    Fierce, Fast and Low Dub – Midnight
    by Maria Angelica Orjuela

    Elecciones insólitas

    No está convencido.

    No está para nada convencido.

    Le han dado a entender que puede elegir entre una banana, un tratado de Gabriel Marcel, tres pares de calcetines de nilón, una cafetera garantida, una rubia de costumbres elásticas, o la jubilación antes de la edad reglamentaria, pero sin embargo no está convencido.

    Su reticencia provoca el insomnio de algunos funcionarios, de un cura y de la policía local.

    Como no está convencido, han empezado a pensar si no habría que tomar medidas para expulsarlo del país.

    Se lo han dado a entender, sin violencia, amablemente.

    Entonces ha dicho: “En ese caso, elijo la banana.”

    Desconfían de él, es natural.

    Hubiera sido mucho más tranquilizador que eligiese la cafetera, o por lo menos la rubia.

    No deja de ser extraño que haya preferido la banana.

    Se tiene la intención de estudiar nuevamente el caso.

    [<a href="http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://nadiesalvoelcrepusculo.blogspot.com/2008/03/elecciones-insolitas-julio-cortazar.html&ei=DFhSSoePDcKgjAfIy9jvBQ&sa=X&oi=translate"Google Translation]

  72. zmoore | July 6, 2009 at 6:05 pm |

    Giuseppe:
    I was referring to the Terra Forming not the CO2. We need more CO2, the normal state of the earth, 75% of the last million years is ice age, we don’t need that.

    Canada is a fool for mowing its forest and polluting its water for some black goop, and useless US dollars.

    95% of the worlds oil is controlled by sovereign entities who extract a decent tax on the non-renewable resource. Only the US and Canada let the Oil companies have a ‘free’ market. So yes Canada is a main cause of the US addiction to cheap energy and thus their jingoistic world view. Only the US can afford to be that way abetted by bombs and cheap fuel.

  73. Mr Supergeek | July 7, 2009 at 5:34 am |

    @harry w
    Brilliant…..Thanks for the link…..and words….I’m still smiling.