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• frances snoot

  Jul 12, 2009 at 5:16 am

  

  @Guiseppe:

  I didn’t predict that! Cliff High uses a web spider program and picks our key words that repeat and form architypes of unified understanding: sort of the thinking behind Mr. Hawking’s question about remembering the future. It is not 100% accurate, but can be an uncanny guide to trends or some events.

  As far as the Vatican, I wondered how the international bankers would allow the Vatican power and wealth to continue. Will they play nice-nice? I don’t think so.

  btw. I ‘ll be in the library before you get there! I agree: books aren’t evil. The US government had libraries and bookstores dispose of all children books published before 1984 due to the lead content:
  http://www.city-journal.org/2009/eon0212wo.html
  Isn’t that sickening?

  I don’t know, wouldn’t the wine cellar be a good place to start looting at the Vatican?
• Youri Carma

  Jul 12, 2009 at 5:27 am

  

  @Mep

  The moto = “steal what you can steal before somebody next to you will”
• Richard@lattitude30N

  Jul 12, 2009 at 5:31 am

  

  @Bill Wadell: agreed…What I always reflect upon is that when Moses confronted the Pharoah he didn’t say hey let me join your group ( after all he already was raised as nobility) ..Oh no, he took the opportunity, politely asked to be released, was granted said relief and split!!!! Now remember he then was chased!!! So if those in charge remain at the helm…so to speak…then the rest of the unwashed masses need to remove ourselves from their domain…Now how one does this is the $64 trillion question….obviously it’s going to be fiat currency on top of fiat currency until they make arrangements that the ratio between the value of the currency can exceed 100% of the populations ability to repay the deficit and/or trade imbalances( against all known sound accounting practices)….Among the G-8 member nations many are approaching 100%-200% as I write this….Here in the USA the $14 trillion annual GDP is burdened by a 4 to 1 long term debt ratio…when all the unfunded mandates are included….( Just this year’s $3.4 trillion budget and an additional Cap and Trade $2 trillion cost and the Health Care Act yet to be voted upon another $1.5 trillion clearly shows that the activity of ever showing any reasonable accountability has been thrown out the window…). P.Craig Roberts has long said that at no time in history has the US Treasury auctioned more than $500 billion in bonds in any given year…What on earth makes them think this year they can sell $2 trillion worth,,,and next year too?????????? The goal seems to be to BRING BACK CONSUMERISM….buy houses, cars, luxury items, etc…and allow the productive economy to follow ….most notable economists know this is faulty logic…So I’m with Moses….I personally don’t see the “geniuses” doing anything but prolonging an inevitable crash…be it localized or regionalized or per continent or wherever….They are not going to step aside….ie.: Berlusconi’s minting of a “eurodollar” as a prelude to future machinations ….As I have said before maybe Zarchosy will mint a “europound” next!!! HA!!!….Or Medvedev will mint a “rubleyuan”…or the IMF will create a RFID chipped gold bullion SDR backed currency…regardless, the basic productive economy is headed down the tubes….Maybe they think mining Mars is still the answer???? Hell they’ve about ruined GAIA…enuf ranting for now
• Youri Carma

  Jul 12, 2009 at 5:37 am

  

  There was a guy here working at some bank who used the new round off rules of money transfered through the bank electonically to put on a other account. So, every round off penny like 0.1, 0.2, …0.4444 he put on his own account becomming rich very fast.
• Richard@lattitude30N

  Jul 12, 2009 at 5:43 am

  

  the more I read everyone’s comments…the more we are aligned along the same train of thought…there are the bad guys and we (mostly) believe we are the good guys…all sending these digtized thoughts out into cyberspace..trying to link up with like minded folks….well we found each other…now ANY SOLUTIONS???
• Richard@lattitude30N

  Jul 12, 2009 at 5:44 am

  

  @ Youri Carma: besides theft!!!!
• sharon

  Jul 12, 2009 at 5:59 am

  

  @Richard@lattitude30N…………………..now ANY SOLUTIONS???

  How about we all buy an island somewhere and build our own society. Like minded people work well together.
• Richard@lattitude30N

  Jul 12, 2009 at 6:09 am

  

  @ Sharon: “Island living ”

  That idea crossed my mind in the early seventies…I actually believed that then VP Nelson Rockefeller was in the loop and also wanted out….the Micronesian Islands at that time seemed a joyous retreat spot….Since then I’ve lived in the Hawaiin Islands three times..attempting to live very primitively each time…..I had to have my health foods though….all imported from the Mainland of course…@lattitude 30N are two acres my small nuclear family and I retreated to in the 80′s recession here in FLA…we were hounded by local authorities continuously…..of course we were homeschoolers and counter cultural horticulturalists then…and I suspect the locals will not be enlightened at your island location ( see THE BEACH-starred Leonardo Decaprio)….good thinking though…
• Dedo

  Jul 12, 2009 at 6:14 am

  

  @Sharon,……..You’ll just be considered a rogue nation!
• frances snoot

  Jul 12, 2009 at 6:14 am

  

  @Youri:
  What a cool video! Sleeper in Metropolis! Isn’t this what is happening in Afghanistan and Pakistan right now: innocent people getting destroyed by a system gone haywire?
• Richard@lattitude30N

  Jul 12, 2009 at 6:20 am

  

  @Dedo: “rogue nation”

  That we are….yet are we destined to remain so only in our minds/hearts??? In the USA the Utopian movements are many and span out since the inception of this nation…Actually the Pilgrims were from Boston, England and there are the Puritans of old, the Quakers, Menonites, the Mormons…ad infinitum…in the 60′s was the Back to the Land Movement and on and on…But truth be told you are correct..
• Youri Carma

  Jul 12, 2009 at 6:22 am

  

  @Richard@lattitude30N

  Solutions; Mark my words, mark my words if this is not done, the country will go down! http://tinyurl.com/m434wg
• sharon

  Jul 12, 2009 at 6:29 am

  

  @ Dedo & Richard……………I can dream can’t I?
  I know, you’re right; it’s not that easy and God forbid we should be able to succeed outside the system. I still intend to try though (if I can sell my house). I’m thinking of moving to an off-grid eco village that I hope will contain like-minded people. I guess it will need to be sufficiently far away from any metropolis so that when people become hungry they’ll have a long way to travel before they can steal our food. Sounds selfish? I guess it does but then I can’t be responsible for people who refuse to wake up to what is going on and consequently take some actiion to make it right. I’ve kind of given up on that having tried for so long and failed. Now all I can do is look after me and mine. I’ll help anyone who is willing to be helped but they don’t seem to want that at the moment.
• MasterSlave

  Jul 12, 2009 at 6:43 am

  

  Stacy & MAX
  Great show!!! This was a AH AH eye opening show for me
  Thanks for all you are doing… Keep on Fighting, and

  OFF WITH THERE HEADS!!!!
• Youri Carma

  Jul 12, 2009 at 6:52 am

  

  @frances snoot

  Yep cool vid & music Anne Clark – Sleeper in Metropolis Originally released in 1984 and then reissued in 1997.

  In Afghanistan they deleberately bomb ordinary people with drones still flown on distant “wire” nothing more like the small radio controlled model plains with a technological upgrade of computer software and 3D imaging.

  Irak but also Afghanistan is used to test out very new weapon available like new cruise missiles or Magnetron weapons to fry the public. New sound frequency weapons you name it….

  Now they pay Iraq “Hajis” to spread Electonic CHIPS on which a bomb can be guided among the popultaion! They don’t care for human live theirs way to much of us anyways in their opinion. We’re insignifigant like Anne Clark describes in her song.
• Dedo

  Jul 12, 2009 at 7:18 am

  

  I agree with what you guys are saying, but if you listen to the RBN clips Frances posted, it sort of give you and idea of why the internet was given to the masses?!!
• Ingvend Storrs

  Jul 12, 2009 at 7:18 am

  

  Max, you don’t seem to understand what the words, ‘genocide’ and ‘racism’ mean. Rather, you have a mere meme for definition created out of the Consensus Reality of our era. The fact that members of G-8 countries exercise abusive economic policies towards Third World countries, does not make for genocide, it just means that they don’t give a good goddamn about people of Third World countries. What they want are the country’s resources, and to hell with the people.
• Youri Carma

  Jul 12, 2009 at 7:32 am

  

  @Ingvend Storrs

  Mass murder, regardless which way comitted, on a organized scale = genocide
• frances snoot

  Jul 12, 2009 at 7:50 am

  

  @Youri:
  One must step aside and not aide nor encourage in any way by any means the war machine eminating out of the US. It is unconscionable. People are going along with the killing by “supporting our troops” and spreading hate about Islam here. Did you ever hear of the prophecies of Albert Pike concerning three world wars? Pike was a 33 degree Mason. Here’s a link:
  http://www.angelfire.com/music2/fullcircle/Pike_Three.pdf

  Personally, I don’t think the Web Bot guy’s predictions will come to pass. The elite will not lose power. The war card is the next card down, and perhaps the plague card as well. The plans have been in place for centuries.
• Dedo

  Jul 12, 2009 at 8:00 am

  

  @Frances,……I agree, and all this goading to make revolt is also part of the plan.
• Youri Carma

  Jul 12, 2009 at 8:08 am

  

  @frances snoot

  Well the big problem is that that Wall Street & the Corperate Warmachine are the real descionmakers in U.S. Politics togheter with the (Virus) Medicine Industry which are eugenicits.

  It has become profitable to make wage war and spread virsusses cause the revenues are gigantice for those who are in this bussiness. Remember the U.S. Army burning of brand new trucks for a flat tire cause they could order a new one. If you’ve got share in this compagny, like they clearly had, it becomes profitable to destroy.

  As long as this murdering and pillaging power is in order nothing will change. Auditing the FED is a very good beginning but certainly not the end.
• Dedo

  Jul 12, 2009 at 8:13 am

  

  @Youri,…….If I poked you with a stick, how would you react ? Or how would I expect you to react, that is the real question !,….maybe
• Youri Carma

  Jul 12, 2009 at 8:18 am

  

  @Dedo

  Well like….(Watch Clip) http://tinyurl.com/8mbqlo
• white hunter

  Jul 12, 2009 at 8:23 am

  

  William S. Burroughs wrote that freedom is only possible in smaller communities of like minded people.
• Dedo

  Jul 12, 2009 at 8:23 am

  

  @Youri,….LOL,…..my point exacty,…poor guy wasn’t expecting that move !!
• frances snoot

  Jul 12, 2009 at 8:36 am

  

  @Youri:
  You don’t think the Fed audit is coerced through BIS?

  btw: nice kitty kitty: I’m watching that one again.
• Youri Carma

  Jul 12, 2009 at 8:53 am

  

  @frances snoot

  Yep, BIS together with the Worldbank, IMF are the main vessel of the New World Order. That’s why some uf us think maybe the FED could step over on the IMF vessel and leave the FED as a burning ship for the American taxpayer left behind.

  MUST SEE!: DOCU Vid – BIS and Banking with Hitler http://tinyurl.com/2zflcd
• sharon

  Jul 12, 2009 at 9:08 am

  

  @ Youri………….re: Afghanistan.

  You may already know this but I thought it worth mentioning as I rarely hear these facts:-
  When the Russians invaded Afghanistan the US & UK were not happy as they did not want the Russians to benefit from colonising that land. So they trained Osama bin Laden and arranged for him to head up the Mujahdeen and lead them into battle against the Russians who, believe it or not, had begun building schools over there. The Russians lost and the Mujahadeen stayed in Afghanistan becoming what was later known as the Taliban. They began to build schools and universities to which girls.women were welcome but they also reduced the opium supply. Enter the US & UK in what is now an 8 year war in which many civilians have died. So, how ironic that we are fighting the very people we put there to fight for us.
  What a joke! Except that it just ain’t funny!
• Youri Carma

  Jul 12, 2009 at 9:11 am

  

  @frances snoot

  Actually it;s exactly that what the Bernanke & Brotherhood in crime and Co. are saying. If you gonna audit the FED we burn the ship. They step over on the Worldbank, IMF vessel and burn the FED.

  They want to step over anyways but not yet!
• Dedo

  Jul 12, 2009 at 9:13 am

  

  @Sharon,……What I don’t get is,…I heard that the Ruskies were funded by the west during the cold war,.same as china,……Huh!!
• Dedo

  Jul 12, 2009 at 9:14 am

  

  somethings a bit fishy,.!!
• Youri Carma

  Jul 12, 2009 at 9:17 am

  

  @sharon

  That’s exactly how it went. The Taliban even had been flown to “safety” to the Pakistan borders by the U.S. Air force in C-130 freight t plains just before the Afghanistan invasion.

  Mullah’s in Iran were helped in power by the CIA and are now attacked by this same CIA. Bin Laden, Saddam Hussein, Lee Harvey Oswald all CIA assets to betray or use.
• frances snoot

  Jul 12, 2009 at 9:37 am

  

  @Youri:
  The American ship hit an iceberg in October 2008. It is sinking, irregardless. The Fed debacle is akin to lighting a fire in the engine room of the sinking ship. The Fed has controlled the economic implosion rate and buys securities and US Treasuries: when the Fed stops the lights go out.

  The Americans will wake up when they hit the cold water and realize that the banksters/corporate elite have left for Asia with the life boats.:)

  As far as the Fed audit: I hate to help the BIS out with taxpayer money, but the Big Boys will extort it anyway…I just don’t want to march behind flag-wavers who have no alternative currency plan in order. How can they believe giving the powers to the Treasury will help their game?
• sharon

  Jul 12, 2009 at 9:41 am

  

  @ Dedo………………..What I don’t get is,…I heard that the Ruskies were funded by the west during the cold war,.same as china,……Huh!!

  It’s those pesky International bankers. They always fund both sides. It was they who brought about the Bolshevik revolution and they who sponsored Hitler. They were involved in the French revolution and the battle of Waterloo (Napolean and Wellington). I’m sure they’re involved with China as well. Many years ago an MP stood up in the houses of Parliament and said something along the lines of: “Wherever there is war, destruction or mass theivery you can bet that there is a hook-nosed Rothschild somewhere nearby.”
  Do you remember Aaron Russo? Big time director who made ‘America – Freedom to Fascism’ He told of how he was befriended by one of the Rockerfellers who told him there would be a war in Afghanistan (few years before 2001) and that the real reason was to protect a pipeline. It’s just pure greed and control freakery. They’re all inbred basket cases!
• frances snoot

  Jul 12, 2009 at 9:44 am

  

  @Dedo:
  All part of Brezinzki’s great plan. Here’s a quote:

  http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/BRZ110A.html
  (interview with Brezinzki)
  Q: And neither do you regret having supported the Islamic fundamentalism, having given arms and advice to future terrorists?

  B: What is most important to the history of the world? The Taliban or the collapse of the Soviet empire? Some stirred-up Moslems or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the cold war?

  Q: Some stirred-up Moslems? But it has been said and repeated Islamic fundamentalism represents a world menace today.

  B: Nonsense! It is said that the West had a global policy in regard to Islam. That is stupid. There isn’t a global Islam. Look at Islam in a rational manner and without demagoguery or emotion. It is the leading religion of the world with 1.5 billion followers. But what is there in common among Saudi Arabian fundamentalism, moderate Morocco, Pakistan militarism, Egyptian pro-Western or Central Asian secularism? Nothing more than what unites the Christian countries.

  @Sharon: well done!

  The destablization of Afghanistan and Iran (future) is part of Brezinzki’s grand chessboard ambitions: control of Eurasia.
• frances snoot

  Jul 12, 2009 at 9:45 am

  

  @Sharon:
  By ‘they’ I assume you mean the bondholders of the international banks that did the funding.
• sharon

  Jul 12, 2009 at 11:00 am

  

  @ frances………………By ‘they’ I assume you mean the bondholders of the international banks that did the funding.

  Back in the day it was the Rothschild clan and various others – I generally call them the Nazis or Robber Barons. I guess today it would be them and other directors of the Bank of England et al, including the Dutch heirarchy. Funnily enough I was looking through some details of the Hasburgh empire recently and I remembered that my ex (father of my children) had ancestors who were aristocrats within Austrian society (even had their own coat of arms) and when I was looking through some names of those within the Hasburgh empire lo and behold there was my children’s ancestor, right under Rothschild. Wonder if I can use that to my advantage when they start rounding us up…ha, ha.
• frances snoot

  Jul 12, 2009 at 11:21 am

  

  @Sharon:
  Good Lord! Are you a blue-blood? LOL!
• sharon

  Jul 12, 2009 at 12:11 pm

  

  @ Frances………lol. No but my children might be.
• PL

  Jul 12, 2009 at 12:57 pm

  

  @Phil

  Start with STRAY DOGS by John N. Gray. Its like reading a hand grenade with wine and cheese.

  thx

  pl
• Phil

  Jul 12, 2009 at 1:02 pm

  

  @PL … did you mean “StraW Dogs” ?

  Straw Dogs: Thoughts on Humans and Other Animals (Taschenbuch)
  von John Gray (Autor)
• Phil

  Jul 12, 2009 at 1:20 pm

  

  @PL …. ” John Gray’s Straw Dogs attempts to present a world view in which humans are not central and which argues against the humanist belief in progress. The heart of the book is summed up in the idea that modern humanists have still not come to terms with Darwin, still not come to terms with the idea that humans are like other animals. Christians and modern humanists in the Platonic-Cartesian tradition typically think of humans enjoying a special relationship to God, or a special status in nature in a way that other animals do not. Even the great debunkers–philosophers such as Nietzsche, Wittgenstein and Heidegger–end up making human beings the centre of things or the end point of some world-historical process. By contrast, in a Taoist, Shinto, Hindu or animist culture Darwin’s discovery would have been easily accommodated since these faiths see humans and other animals as kin. ”

  Surprise Surprise !
  I bought a book in 2001 about the same topic … the (German) author won the 1999 Booker prize.

  The Lives of Animals
  J.M.Coetzee

  A very short book … but hits the point IIRC.
  Talks about the egoism of humans in not respecting that animals also have lives ( and souls ).

  Actually , this subject is very dear to me.
  Humans conveniently define their “own” intelligence e.g. Mensa & Co. and assume there is no ther “sort” . The mistreatment of anything that doesn’t adhere to their own definition is disgusting.
  Just imagine if Aliens landed and told us “you are stupid beings, we’ll just blow up your planet” ( Hitch Hiker’s Guide … LOL ). Now what would these mensarians say to that ?

  Our “own” definition of intelligence is a somewhat “mechanical” intelligence .. and doesn’t allow for anything outside the realms of logical and physical determination IMO.

  etc. etc. … I’ll stop here .. .as I could g on for hours .
  
• Richard@lattitude30N

  Jul 12, 2009 at 1:35 pm

  

  @Sharon: yes.Sharon..you may dream…But if I get esoteric and say that maybe the mythical civilizations Lemuria and Mu were such places and if they did exist than one might say you are channeling that reality….Much like the patriarchal and matriarchal forms of culture at variance as in the books of Robert Anton Wilson ( where I first heard the word Illuminati as in the title to his book The Illuminati Trilogy )….just maybe apart from this still embryonic form of neo-fascism there is a way out….also much like James Redfield’s books ( Celestine Prophecy, Shambala, etc…) ….a place where sanity for humans resides….a physical place…so Sharon dream on and take us with you when you go to that eco-off grid rural village..
• frances snoot

  Jul 12, 2009 at 1:49 pm

  

  “Our “own” definition of intelligence is a somewhat “mechanical” intelligence .. and doesn’t allow for anything outside the realms of logical and physical determination IMO.”
  @Phil:

  So you agree a lot of scientists (mainly male) are pompous egoists? The system set up to coddle the eggheads to maturity and further more pompous postulations?

  Scientists used to be cool and dabble in alchemy and hide their findings in closets while sipping out of beakers. Now they are befuddled servants of the state. See:
  http://www.wired.com/wiredscience/2008/04/sorry-absinthe/
• Aridzonan

  Jul 12, 2009 at 3:47 pm

  

  This is one of the most important shows you’ve done. It lines up with everyone from Catherine Fitts to Cliff High and George Ure’s WebBot project, where: info will come out that will prove the markets are rigged!!

  How can anyone invest in these criminals? Stop the abuse pull your money, credit, stock out of these Wall Street Bankster Gangster / FedGov.Inc firms!. Invest in locally owned and operated institutions. Find a farmer and do a direct local investment. You don’t support the criminal behavior and the abuse by doing business of any kind with be tapeworms that’s sucking us dry!!
• Ingvend Storrs

  Jul 13, 2009 at 11:25 am

  

  @Youri Carma

  In the world of Mental Oatmeal, what you say is true. In the real, complex world, not true. Sloppy terminologies rise from sloppy thinking.
• Joe

  Jul 13, 2009 at 1:24 pm

  

  Investigative journalist Wayne Madsen in the US claims American intelligence sent Afghan mercenaries into Iraq, in order to attack the country’s civilians and military personnel.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2licF3t49zc
• Kricke242

  Jul 14, 2009 at 4:42 pm

  

  Wanted to comment about the negative 0.25% interest rate in Sweden, which Max mentions. This is not true. No one in Sweden has a negative rate on their a vista account (salary account is like +0.25% and savings account is like +0.95%). I would remove my money from the banks if that would be the case, and tell my boss to pay my salary in cash . The negative rate is ONLY what the central bank (Riksbank) is taking in excess money from the commercial banks at over night. They basically says they don’t want it and try to force the banks to lend to each other instead. I don’t know where this idea that citizens in Sweden has a negative rate in their accounts came from? Well it is not true and it will never be true, because banks will have to pay more to lend from the central bank over night (+0.75% over night) and will rather lend from people, so that rate will be some were between 0%-0.75%. Which is not much but not negative (in nominal terms), and in addition there would be a run on the banks if rates for people went negative. But I suspect it will end bad anyway… :/