Stacy Summary: The disbelieving Ponzi victims remind me of nearly the entire populations of much of the Western world that Ambrose says await an Irish fiscal fate. What are you thinking or reading about today?
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Rick Ackerman-
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- SmartKnowledge
- GoldCore
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today i’m thinking of our robot overlords whom i welcome
‘Flesh-eating robot’ is actually a vegetarian, say inventors
http://tinyurl.com/lsahyc
As an Irishman I’m thinking of what the f**k happened to us!? I’m reading ‘Banksters’ by our national tv stations economic editor at the moment and everybody saw it, everybody knew except our government; they all kept dancing while the music was playing.
Did you know Stacy that in 2008 there were more Mercedes per capita in Ireland than there were in Germany where they are made?! Status symbols! It was the first time in our history that this country had some money and we just squandered it – the Celtic Tiger was like a pint of Guinness – we just did what any Irish person would do; down it in one! Pathetic. And now the IMF is knockin’….
@Danny – Are there any economists, bankers, thinkers, talkers . . . anyone in Ireland we should interview about the Irish catastrophe? We are looking for someone to interview on On the Edge about it. Thanks!
Danny
What normaly happens to Ireland…….the British crap on you!
London Bankers did VERY well out of you.
Mike
Golds up this moring i….BLOODY HELL look at the $ index!
Mike
Regarding the UK ponzi scheme denial.
The police have refused to deal with financial crimes and sided with the banksters and the establishment in the run-up the the current crisis. Now they come along and say ‘believe me’, you have been had. Sure, the victims know they!
I suspect the truth might be closer to the notion that these ponzi scheme victims now have a healthy distrust of both the police and their partners in crime, the investment institution. A situation the media/establishment/corporation hegemony will not recognise.
@ Danny ,..i guess as other people have said an economy being awarded dubious accolade “tiger economy ‘ is usually the kiss of death, asian economies were awarded the accolade of ‘tiger economies’ before currency crash 1998 etc ,iceland was also awarded status of model ‘tiger economy .’ Dubai is also another ‘tiger economy ‘ Though in 2000 it was the the term ‘new ‘economy ‘ term loved by media at the height of the tech bubble etc .remember that? because many so called economists seem to have forgotten all about it ? [ we don't seem to hear so much about the 'new economy any more ? ]Danny, how hard is everyday life in Ireland today ?
US MSM is pushing a new bubble..porn.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZQJ0TC-63rs will go well witht the casino.
Rahm not attenting JPM board meeting..Is it to avoid being made accomplice or to avoid being recognized as such ? http://tinyurl.com/lghc4j
“Victims of UK ponzi scheme refuse to believe they have been had”
‘Ponzi denial’, that dark area beyond Stockholm Syndrome.
I think you’ve probably nailed it there @CitizenZombie.
@ Stacy. Great, it would be great to here your opinion on this banana republic. I’m gonna stick my neck out (‘cos I know david is probably reading!) and suggest david mcwilliams. http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/
Ireland generally has a crap alternative media but I suggest David Mcwilliams because he did warn that ‘Ireland’s wealth was an illusion’ several years ago and did warn on television that if the property bubble burst we were in serious trouble. He was laughed at by Bertie Ahern (then Taoiseach) of course.
Click in the video section on his website and there should be some good interviews there.
@marcus
Lifes pretty grim man for some people. I’m only in my first job out of college for the last 2 years but I knew what was coming so I didn’t get a car loan or go travel the world like I wanted to. Everyones taken a levy of 2% in their pay packet – industrial action is a regular occurrence – some people working 4 day weeks – housing prices down about 40/50% – deflation rampent except in alcohol (of course) Pretty shite man
Denial, denial, denial.
The day of reckoning will come soon. See how they are postponing this day in the States by printing money.
Better be prepared.
Buy gold or silver
forgot ,..china, india and brazil are also’ new’ ‘ ‘tiger’ economies .
Oh my, here we go again.
The Fed paying Morgan Stanley to chop up AIG.
This is getting embarrassing.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aa9_dv0DTeVA
@danny ,..thanks for your reply.that’s grim picture, thumb nail sketch of the situation in ireland that you have painted ,thankyou . likely what we can all expect to some degree,here [australia] it is still a madhouse when it comes to house prices and all things to do with real estate,people here think that the party will never end .
Just what tools to remove money supply from economy is Bernanke talking about?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=a.3INX2TI_Ec
yes, in the us, printing , printing and more printing…. i am sure it will only prolong the agony. just makes the fall all the harder. most dont even know whats going on. clueless,,, should make for some very interesting times ahead. crime is allready on the rise, and this thing is barely started. i would hate to live in the big cities. pg
Talking about the service economy: who wants a hamburger?
http://www.economist.com/daily/chartgallery/displayStory.cfm?story_id=14065333&source=features_box4
It’s amazing how the media blocks the news from getting through to average joe. As pg wrote, should be interresting to see how this works out as things worsen. People already think we are going towards better times.
@StacyHerbert
If you are looking for an original Irish thinker you may want to contact Brian Arthur:
https://ssl.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/nbbwssl.cgi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Brian_Arthur
Not sure what his stance on this whole mess is, but if you can get a hold of him he’ll surely provide you with an original opinion.
Since reading this and similar sites I realise that ‘News” especially TV news is designed to divert us from the news, rather than provide news.
Its like calling ‘Reality TV’….well, Reality TV.
It is actually the opposite to what its called.
More on Brian Arthur:
A More Realistic Economics. As recent events show, we badly need to reformulate how we understand the economy. I have been involved since its early days in the science of complexity: the science of how patterns and structures self-organize, and my particular interest here has been in creating a more realistic, non-equilibrium version of economics. This type of economics assumes that the actors in the economy do not necessarily face well-defined problems or use exaggerated forms of rationality in making their decisions. And they react to the outcomes they together create. Viewed this way, we find that the economy is not in stasis, but always forming, always evolving, and always “discovering” fresh novelty. It contains pockets of indeterminacy and shows properties we associated with formal complexity
@M
Hey, I think you may have found the new world currency.
The McDonalds burger.
They just print them out and they don’t decompose.
Perfect!
@marcus
yeah i heard that, alot of Irish tradesmen (masons, carpenters etc) have left for Australia, whole families too.
I wanted so much to do the ‘irish backpacker’ thing to Oz. If I lose my job here I’ll say I’ll have to do it. Oh and while there, can you ask the perth mint about their massive premiums? feckers!
They just print them out and they don’t decompose.
Perfect!
I saw a youtube vid of a guy that had been “collecting” McD burgers for a couple of years. They all were in mint condition, even after 5 years.
Still have to try that experiment myself… perhaps I’ll be a burger today… really curious if they really do not decompose.
Point 1.
The bond market is a fix anyway and the UK can play them as there no where else to go.
Point 2.
When you work part time you have a better standard of life I found and you pay less tax.
Point 3.
The hard bit is reducing all your old outgoings to match your new low productive low tax life style. If you can do it great, if not then yes you will suffer until you find a balance. Search for that balance as the government cant wont and is incapable of helping. We get fed alot of lies about government solutions. I have a very low opinion of governments.
@danny ,..thankyou for your reply .always good to see irish people here !. most people here seem almost oblivious to events happening else where, though it is just a matter of time ,in the meantime the main news on tee vee last night was the announcement of master chef cooking competition [$100,000 prize] won by mother of three Julie who is now credited today by the media with making australians rediscover the joys of home cooking .
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,25809215-12377,00.html
@Mike Liverpool Looks a bit different today doesnt, it. It could be the start of the inevitable
The GOLD Up DOLLAR Down Bomb, but as they say one swallow does not make a summer.
I think if we see a pattern over a week or two then those assists up the commodity pyramid or is it the pendulum, I don’t know, both? with MA lol They will probably be huge swings lol
Personally we just have to wait over the long term until they begin to accept there paper assists are just that worthless These guys work in quarters, months and microseconds lol a few years is a very long time for them.
@M
At uni someone nailed a Big Mac to the notice board.
It was there for ages and ages.
All those preservatives that give kids ADHD….allegedly.
@max toe return to your ealier precition, how would a dissolution of the Comex play out? It seems there must be a ‘defeult recognition’ epiphany point somewhere, what would that look like?
@ marcus
Totally agree.
I too am in Aust and I just don’t get it. Property is just stimulus I think. Also foreign ownership has been relaxed recently. Lots of ‘cashed up’ folk OS needing a home for it.
We are in a stimulus bubble/marketing binge.
I figure people are cashed up and the bank interest is so low they may as well invest in something……Anything!
Aust stock market flying as well.
Maybe its driven by people not wanting to miss out on commodities when they take off again. Or more likely Max’s old friends….The Speculators.
UK fraud cases at twenty one year high
http://tinyurl.com/nxz2c2
big phama should look to marketing a Ponzi Denial Syndrome drug as there seems like there will be a lot of it about
@Mini U.S…. yes ,i don’t get it either ?, $2 Trillion dollar private deficit , i fully expected things here to go as elsewhere by now, stimulus package and minning sector have delayed the inevitable ?, either that or we are in the presence of true genius ? [not] @ danny , as for the perth mint ? i wouldn’t send someone who worked there to the shop for a litre of milk .. danny, jack yeats [he's a great painter ! a true genius !]
@Stacy: 7:35 am EST—on Bloomberg TV —GS’s Kostin sees S&P to reach 1000 by year’s end!!!!!!!!!! Well if they’re “front running” the market that might be a good bet;…based on slow growth globally…it sounds somewhat optimistic…Are the Chinese corps included in the S&P —NO!!! and they anticipate a mere 6% growth rate this year —I’m certain that I have heard in this blog and elsewhere that the EU countries and here a “negative” growth might ensue!!!!!!!!!! “optimism opium” to quote Gerald Celente…
@sharon
This is just up your alley http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JDxJgJRqPng
I read a story where Obrokema is delaying US Goverment budget numbers. I may actullay exceed 2 trillion this year. Hungar may be in my future.
grow your own food in the UK.
http://landshare.channel4.com/
http://www.allotment.org.uk/
@M
You have found it McD is the new currency as it allows them to fiddle with the value and definitions still.
http://cbs2.com/video/?id=[email protected]
The geniuses at the ACTU (Australian Council of
Trade Unions) want a third stimulus, great, let’s make things people can get cheaper elsewhere and go into further debt forcing our own cost of living up. Yippee.
Viva le Inflationistas!
http://www.abc.net.au/news/video/2009/07/20/2631291.htm
@max ,how about an interview with mr 50 cent ? good to have a hard edge look at economy , seems like rappers had how the money thing really works much earlier than the rest of us ? [ i am sure the interview will go smoothly , just don't ask him about his house or the cost of doing renovations ? ]
From Corrente
http://www.correntewire.com/goldman_executive_named_obama_adviser
Goldman Executive Named as Obama Adviser
* Tapeworm Economy
* Department of All The Damn Gall
* Bourbon
* goldman sachs
* Oligarchy
Sun, 07/19/2009 – 4:32pm — Randall Kohn
From the New York Times via Bloomberg:
Goldman Executive Named as Obama Adviser
By BLOOMBERG NEWS
Published: July 18, 2009
President Obama said Friday he would nominate Robert Hormats, a vice chairman of Goldman Sachs International, to a top economic position at the State Department. Mr. Hormats, 66, will be under secretary of state for economic, energy and agricultural affairs. He was deputy trade representative from 1979 through 1981 and held other posts at the State Department throughout his career. Hillary Rodham Clinton, the secretary of state, said in a speech on Wednesday that she hoped to make economic policy and trade a larger part of United States diplomacy.
In yo face, America. GS ROOLZ, citizens DROOL.
“What are you thinking about…”
That the idiots who post here and elsewhere about “CO2 hoax” and “abiotic oil” and no such thing as gobal warming are similar fools as the ones who don’t belive they’ve been had in a ponzi scheme.
More thoughts. Ever since the Stern Review in the UK, it has been fashionable to use the term “sustainable growth” where growth refers to economic growth and sustainablity refers to not taking more out of the environment than either we or nature can replace. This is the biggest lie ever told and the folly of the 21st century. Growth is one option, sustainability is the alternative.
The Stern Review executive summary says:
“Emissions have been, and continue to be, driven by economic growth; yet stabilisation of greenhouse-gas concentrations in the atmosphere is feasible and consistent with continued growth.”
http://www.hm-treasury.gov.uk/d/Executive_Summary.pdf
Big lie isn’t it. But, thanks to Stern, that is the UK Goverment’s path to failure – to try and achieve “sustainable growth”
Output surplus, by the way, is just another symptom of taking more out than we/nature can put back on a global scale.
I missed the point that Max was interested in Paul Watson solely because he is successful activist in the media, until Max pointed it out. Of course, I see. You are very honest Max, about your intentions. You do indeed look at these comments solely for you own gain. I can’t blame you; we are all forced to play the same game. I guess you’ll have to stand in front of harpoons to get that sort of attention, which you aren’t going to do. Better look for an alternative strategy for media success then. But the point is not to save the planet, but to get the publicity, eh Max. I get it.
I recently found an article by Roland Rudd which proposed that trying to popularise the idea of Global Warming (GW) through fear was not going to work; people switch off. Max, pumping fear may be you worst enermy, if Roland is to be belived. To be a popular journalist, you’re going to have to be optimistic!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/5802751/EU-must-lead-the-world-on-climate-change.html
But, like you, I more interested in the comments that people leave. All 22 comments claim on this article “there’s no such thing as GW” and many quote mad science and books – written to prove they can keep their heads buried in the sand a little longer. Where does this mad science come from M&S? You say “follow the money”. Who wants no carbon taxation? The anti-GW BS is THE bandwagon to be on.
So, output surplus is baloney, just an indication of the disease. Inflation / deflation of paper hardly matters, there is no real value is the only point. Water is running out (Stacey’s recent posts, water wars, India / Pakistan posturing etc.) energy is running out (well documented, e.g. California blackouts etc), oil is running out (Max “Peak Oil”), the economy itself is running out and we all know fiat currancy is ultimately going. Gold is running out (recent post e.g. US Mint). It’s all the same 1 simple interconnected problem. Growth. Increasing demand for food, water, babies, energy, oil, fiat money, gold. It’s the same 1 point. Growth. It’s not sustainable.
Expotential growth occurs in nature too and always ends in sudden and castastrophic failure. So M&S, to tell the truth and still fail to save mankind anyway because no one wants to hear “an inconvenient truth”?
Then we all have to put ourselves first. So is it self interest build a name for yourselves. Have to be optimistic then….. abiotic oil anyone?
Oh beauty! let’s not fix the problem, let’s give more power to banksters.
No doubt, inspired by increased powers to the Fed:
Proposal Could Give Bank of England More Regulatory Power
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/21/business/global/21regulate.html
By JULIA WERDIGIER
Published: July 20, 2009
LONDON — Britain’s opposition Conservatives, who are leading opinion polls less than a year before the next election, confirmed Monday their intention to give the Bank of England sweeping regulatory powers over banks. The plans would rip apart Prime Minister Gordon Brown’s supervisory model, which the party blames for the country’s financial troubles.
David Cameron, the Conservative party leader, for the first time formally proposed to abolish the Financial Services Authority, Britain’s financial regulator, and move its powers to the central bank. Britain’s regulatory system needs “one body to be unambiguously in charge,” he said in a speech in London.
(article continues)
Regarding Ireland, be aware that without owning your own banks you are not an independent country.
All talk of Scotland seeking independence is off the agenda now for 50 years, I’d say, now that its banks have been gutted.
If Ireland escapes with its banks intact it will be lucky. And it’s place in the world, as providers of cheap labour if needed, and cannon fodder, eventually, is back on the agenda while salaries crash 20-30% due to cutbacks and higher personal taxes.
Laissez-faire economics is back. Reduce the payments to the poor to make them work or die. Watch and see the commentators this autumn. Then the fascists will appear.
Max Keiser is illuminating the beast, but if it rolls over we will all be crushed underneath.
@snoop diddy & s klein , both proposals and announcements seem more like leading us down, ‘ highway to hell ‘ rather than ‘ ‘ road to recovery. ‘
@Nic Abbot:
There’s no nonsense so arrant, that cannot be made the creed of the vast majority of the people by proper government action,……You don’t say!!
Here’s another one of my fav’s :
The people who are regarded as moral luminaries are those who forego ordinary pleasures themselves and find compensation in interfering with the pleasures of others.
Bertrand Russell
@Max,
RE: your appearance on France24.
It’s about time they updated your bio for the intro.
@Dedo. Nice quotes, I like them both.
@Nic abbot
I share your frustration and recognition, but I believe the Stern Report was correct. The issue is that businesses can not change their business model without going out of business, so change may have to be involuntary. This however is justified because of the following:
As I obeserved all new technological developments go though a ‘filter’ in terms of their threath to the existing business community. Whatever margin of savings (which should give it a competitive adavtage and benefit the customers) is realized, the margin will be skimmed until the new tech becomes a whimsical afterthough or liability. At that point the owner of the patented tech (not the inventor ususally) will demand subsidies, often granted by the idealists in government. That is one of the reasons to fight patent laws, because they are abused to protect existing businesses.
I can make a list of important alternative energy patents that have been filed in 2000-2005 and shelved, so Maxes assertion that patent laws are being abused and should be liberalized is spot on.
There is an economical path, but it requires some people to sacrifice their current position, but these people are where they are because they would never do that.
In that sense the economical crisis should be exploited as much as possible (to paint polluting tech as expensive). It is also important to me that the big opportunist in this crisis (GS and other bank networks) are knocked out or down, because of their profound social conscience deficit keeps pushing the planet and society towards the cliff.
It is a pity the media stage has such enormously steep stairs and a barbwired gate with goons in armor. Whoever makes it up there with the right message has my support..
Goldman sez BOOM times ahead !!!!!
Mike
@ S Klien
The way an actual tapeworm operates is to inject its host with a chemical that makes the host crave what is good for the tapeworm and bad for the host. So the Tapeworm Economy is adept at using media and education and numerous financial incentives to get us acting against our own strategic interests and instead supporting and depending on the Tapeworm.
http://solari.com/realdeal.htm
This is a nice way of thinking:
Descartes’ method of doubt (broken into four “scientific” steps including a. accepting only information you know to be true b. breaking down these truths into smaller units c. solving the simple problems first d. making complete lists of further problems) is also known as hyperbolic doubt or having the tendency to doubt, since it is an extreme or exaggerated form of doubt.[1] (Knowledge in the Cartesian sense means to know something beyond not merely all reasonable, but all possible, doubt.) In his Meditations on First Philosophy (1641), Descartes resolved to systematically doubt that any of his beliefs were true, in order to build, from the ground up, a belief system consisting of only certainly true beliefs
Analogy :- The Economic Tapeworm
These economic beasts are not easy to get rid off they leg eggs after there dislodged, apparently.
http://www.momswhothink.com/symptoms/tapeworm-symptoms.html
Here a good back down
Italian Tax on CB Gold Only to apply in 2009
http://uk.biz.yahoo.com/20072009/323/italy-govt-proposes-ceiling-tax-gold-reserves.html
@ Mother Earth……………..@sharon…This is just up your alley
Thanks Mother Earth although I think that’s about the 3rd time I’ve been sent that particular link. So, is it not up your alley too?
Do you not have ANY doubts about the state imposing a vaccine for a flu-like illness that seems to be less harmful than normal flu (so far anyway)? Does it not make you just a tad suspicious that many countries are spending billions on a vaccine for a mild virus that will not receive proper testing and may well be redundant within a very short time period? And all this at a time when money is extremely scarce? Do you not consider that with a lawsuit pending that makes claims of genocide one should err on the side of caution, especially when said lawsuit has been filed by an expert (backed up by doctors)? In other words does this not make you suspicious in anyway? And then take account of the msm reporting on this – I mean, we can always trust them can’t we? And they just won’t shut up about it -so what’s their agenda? Of course we can always go back to 1976 as a reference point and then decide whether or not to take the vaccine, coz they have such a great track record so what’s the problem? But of course, I could just be working for the intelligence services and posting on here in order to disinform. But then how would that one work? Surely I’d be saying hey y’all you really should be getting that vaccine when it’s available. You know sometimes (many times) the truth is stranger than fiction. In this case, imho, it’s just blatantly obvious that one should be asking questions. I’ve always found evidence to be quite important and I find that the truth knows no regulation, you just have to connect the dots. Maybe you’re one those who is not asleep to the possibilities and maybe you consider it worthwhile questioning the official line, I believe it’s downright imperative, but that’s just me. Anyway I’ll leave you with 2 of my favourite sayings to sum it up:-
“It must be hard for those who see authority as the truth rather than truth as the authority”.
“Every truth passes through three stages before it is recognized: In the first it is ridiculed, in the second it is opposed, in the third it is regarded as self-evident”.
CIT deal:
“Looks like Bill Gross was right about shaking hands with the government. Here is a comment from Clusterstock concerning the deal:
So Bill Gross and pals just ran off with $10 billion+ of CIT Group’s best assets and for $3 billion. This $3 billion loan is secured by $10 billion + of CIT’s best unecumbered assets (according to Reuters), so when the inevitable bankruptcy comes, Bill Gross and pals are going to make a killing.
Meanwhile other shareholders and creditors get totally screwed and get none of the $10B of unencumbered assets.
The board really is pathetic in approving this ridiculous deal.”
and another comment:
“I’m sitting in my office in Hong Kong looking at how the CIT implosion unfold and I’m laughing my arse off.
I initially thought it might be a similar workout deal like what the New York Fed did with LTCM a decade ago. That is, get the biggest creditors to provide temporary liquidity to CIT and let it work itself out. But instead, Uncle Sam is letting these vulture bondholders walk away with the most valuable assets from CIT and make a shit load of money (at the expense of other debtholders, shareholders, and potentially taxpayers) in the process!
I thought to myself, WTF?! We didn’t see things as brazen as this even during China’s most cowboy days of state-owned asset privatization in the early 2000′s. I mean, we paid off government officials to get things done and get the valuer-general officials to sell state assets to us for peanuts. But it was all very much under the table and hush hush. But what’s happening to CIT is a state-sponsored asset grab with the objective of driving CIT to the wall as quickly as possible Lehman-style. I mean, what PIMCO is doing may look like a debtor-in-possession financing on the surface, but the intention is to jump to the head of the queue and get the best quality and most liquid unemcumbered assets as collateral and then wait for CIT to hit the wall or trip a covenant and walk away with the collateral.
Good luck to the shareholders, debtholders, and the insurance policy holders of CIT.”
http://www.businessinsider.com/cit-lives-2009-7
International banking bondholders operating through Bill Gross picking the meat off the bones of the American economy. win-win-win
@ Mother Earth. I always value your input. Personally I feel that growth is not the only path, which is why I fundamentally disagree with Stern, but I concede that change from the growth path cannot be done easily (and probably not at all in a democracy) and not to have democracy is worse in any case IMO. I need an environmental lifeboat and if I secure one I’ll be fighting the drowning hoards off. Self interest again.
Still we might get 40% efficent solar panels as early as Q1 2010. Maybe the patent hoarders are not getting it all their own way. But using less energy is just as important, not just innovation, IMO. So we’ll have to continue to disagree on Stern.
@Fibon235
Exactly! I subscribed to Solari last month. Have you read C. Austin Fitt’s book “Dillon, Read and Co., Inc. and the Aristocracy of Stock Profits”:
http://www.dunwalke.com/
Talk about connecting dots!!
http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSN1444850020090720
“A rescue financing agreement could preserve the government’s $2.33 billion investment in CIT from the Troubled Asset Relief Program. CIT became eligible for such financing when it became a bank holding company in December.
The bondholder group includes Pacific Investment Management Co, a unit of Allianz SE, as well as other top investors. The group is expected to provide financing with a 2 1/2-year term, two people familiar with the matter said.”
Allianz group? Yes, the Bill Gross flagship! When, not if, CIT hits bankruptcy this will complete the collapse that the Fed and Treasury have prolonged: must get those scaffolds up for the new architecture before the shtf! Here’s what Reuters has to say:
“The money could strengthen CIT’s finances and allow more time for the 101-year-old lender to small and mid-sized businesses to restructure its debt.” (could…right, total bullocks…with whom restructure???)
“A CIT bankruptcy could have rippled through the economy by making it difficult or impossible for thousands of businesses to obtain financing to run day-to-day operations.” (could…right, this I agree with, it is inevitable)
@gonzomarx
Nice links…….much appreciated from someone who has a plot in a small community garden.
be careful how you invite people to your BBQ
UK cops spot Facebook notice of “all night” party, scramble armed goons in a chopper to break up small, local BBQ
http://tinyurl.com/m4whge
@Mr Supergeek
Indeed, it’s best for people to grow their own.I think it’s works on many levels. economically, health and in bring people together.
Why not cut back on social workers and police?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/5858902/Evil-destruction-of-a-happy-family.html
Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to debunk the vid below, ie. demonstrate any bit of it that does not have some potential truth to it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dqlqc0ARQr0&feature=PlayList&p=37DED223979D385E&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=48
I’m busy today, Ill slow down but, here is some deflation isn’t that the bit / patch on a hot air balloon that sinks in temporally as the balloon is blasted by hot air. I’m talking economics? Most people would say the balloon is inflating but there not looking at the right bit there looking at the whole balloon.!!!!!!
http://www.retail-week.com/newsletter/headlines/5004629.article
Indeed, it’s best for people to grow their own.I think it’s works on many levels. economically, health and in bring people together.
I hope that is not a general comment. Image everyone growing their food themselves. Not many economies of scale there. Soon some like-minded people (e.g. visitors of this site living in the same area) might start sharing efforts. They will do better than many others, so they will find more followers, and so fort and so on…
The current system has overlooked quite some ethical aspects, and really does need repair. Repairing it by going back hundreds of years into time will however not fix it.
@danny
Don’t think it was the first time in history that ireland had money…..in 1800′s before the famine at one point Irish budget surplus was 4 million higher than englands at the time and england was the richest nation in the world at the time…..sorry if i’m nit picking.
@sharon I must have missed the other posts.
I can imagine there is a group that wants to reduce the population, it makes sense (in a spychotic way). But whether they are organized in any way and whether they do it through vaccination or through scaring people away from getting a vaccine, I’m not sure.
Why not cut back on social workers and police?
As always, if there is any need of them it is in these times. I do not like police that much, and their rights and behavior should be subject to some drastic reviews, however, I also do not like al people that squander the streets these days. And believe me, in crisis time violence and other forms of criminal behavior are likely to surge.
I hardly believe massive criminality would be a scenario to a better future…
On that social worker story in specific: sometimes I cannot believe the system is indeed so messed up that the criminals these days are called policemen, or social worker, or banker…
Still, we should not forget that there is also a lot of good effort in the system.
I first planned to describe this case in April, but was pre-empted by the draconian reporting restrictions on family cases, which, for reasons which will become tragically clear, have now been partly lifted.
This is the most unbelievable. They always do it like this: first they shut up or provide wrong info, and than after the heat is gone and most crimes have been committed they rectify and offer some sort of lame excuse.
Why did this reported not file a case against those restrictions and write about that?
Ah well, basically England is a criminal country all over I guess. I must say I am glad not to have to live there…
@nic I’m curious about that lifeboat, but maybe this forum is not the right place for it. All I know is that a carbon neutral society has been an option since the 1980′s and that we need no technical advance, just removal of opposing (industrial) forces to achieve it.
http://www.infowars.com/czar-you-mean-commissar/
So let us go back and establish some historic references. Czar or rather Tsar, is a degradation of the Latin term Ceasar, similar to Germany’s Kaiser. (or Keiser?)
Luckily there still are some vintage crminals…
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124804075279363265.html#video%3D09885F3F-678C-4047-9A3D-0E6C9F392D9D%26articleTabs%3Darticle
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124804075279363265.html#
@Frances,…..there’s a guy in the UK, Sir, Lord,.Alan sugar,…just been elevated as the new Enterprise Czar,..
Although there is an abundance of information available about the recession/depression I have read little about the significant factors about why there ARE NO JOBS. It seems to me that one very important reason why there are no jobs (at least in US) is that huge corporations have not only shed jobs in these times but have systematically backed legislation that greatly reduces the possibility of small competitors getting started. For example, there is currently a demand for locally grown food in the US due to revelations of bigcorp killing people with their toxic food. Trouble is, bigcorp has patents on seeds which enables them to at least harrass and often sue farmers who try to offer alternative food sources….not to mention bigcorp gets govt subsidies to produce food below market prices.
I think were in the return to normal bit of the chart, any comments opinions?
http://www.housepricecrash.co.uk/graphs-bubble-lifecycle.php
@ Mother Earth………….I can imagine there is a group that wants to reduce the population, it makes sense (in a spychotic way). But whether they are organized in any way and whether they do it through vaccination or through scaring people away from getting a vaccine, I’m not sure.
You’re not sure?………..Then investigate! It’s not like it’s a minor issue that can be set aside is it? I mean, you may have to make the decision come the autumn. And if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it’s a f*cking duck!! Sorry, but this one in particular is freaking me out coz when you research vaccines it becomes obvious that they do more harm than good in a general sense..In this case my alarm bells are ringing very loudly. Anyway, just so you know, I don’t come onto this site to warn people about this in order to p*ss people off. I happen to care about people and if I see something that I think is going to cause harm to others then I’ll try to warn them. I could be wrong but logic tells me I’m not.
Anti-terror officer ‘used police card to buy sex toys’ http://bit.ly/9Xaed
@gonzomarx
Like you say works on many levels. a friend of mine wh grows her own had a stall at hampton court flower show recently promoting sustainability and recycling…she was using old hard hats and bras turned upside down and turned into hanging baskets..etc…sounds wacky but all the eco stuff was a massive hit.
@ m. I think.sometimes…with some things… best to jump in the back and enjoy the ride.
Right, this will be my last post on vaccines. At least I’ve done my best to warn you.
Ingredients in vaccines:-
http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/ingredients.htm
BY Dr. Mercola
Heavy metals like mercury and aluminum
Pus form sores of diseased animals
Horse Serum
Calf Serum
Fecal Matter
Macerated Cancer Cells
Sweepings from diseased children
Other Vaccine Ingredients:
Formaldehyde (a carcinogen) – used in embalming fluids
Phenol (also a carcinogen) – may cause paralysis, convulsions, coma, and necrosis and gangrene
Lactalbumin hydrolysate – emulsifier
Aluminum phosphate – aluminum salt which is corrosive to tissues
Retro-virus (SV-40) – contaminant virus of some polio vaccines
Antibiotics – (i.e., neomycin tm) for infection
Chick Embryo – growth medium for virus
Sodium Phosphate – a buffering salt
Foreign animal tissues containing genetic material (DNA/RNA) – from growth medium
Also:-
http://www.rense.com/general59/vvac.htm
Last year at least 81 people were killed by Baxter International’s contaminated blood-thinning product, heparin, which was made in China from, among other things, pig intestines. Isn’t pharmaceutical medicine wonderful? The contaminated heparin also seriously injured hundreds of people and it was revealed that the factory of Baxter’s Chinese supplier had never been inspected by either American or Chinese public ‘protection’ agencies.
More than 50 dialysis patients died in 2001 because of faults with Baxter International equipment, and this month Baxter Healthcare Corporation, a subsidiary of Baxter International, reached an out-of-court settlement of two million dollars with the State of Kentucky. Baxter had been caught inflating the cost of intravenous drugs sold to Kentucky Medicaid by as much as 1,300 per cent.
This is clearly a company you can trust and it is now is a major source of the swine flu vaccine that governments across the world want to impose upon entire populations with the most minimal safety checks. The vaccine is being fast-tracked through the regulatory system with safety trials lasting less than a week. The London Times reported:
‘Regulators at the European Medicines Agency said the fast-tracked procedure has involved clinical trials of a “mock-up” vaccine similar to the one that will be used for the biggest mass vaccination programme in generations. It will be introduced into the general population while regulators continue to carry out simultaneous clinical trials.’
re:ponzi schemes.
All the good con men know as did W.C.Fields ‘You can’t cheat an honest man’….and ‘Never give a sucker an even break’.
@Sharon,…..No wonder they inject it,….can’t taste very appealing!!
Hey Dedo, I think I know how Galileo must have felt. Surprised he didn’t just say: “Ah, f*ck it!”
@ Mr. Supergeek
….in 1800′s??? Ireland wasn’t an independent country, it was part of the United Kingdom (officially). We only got our independence in 1922 after the rising of 1916. Dunno what history books your reading mate
@Sharon,…..Who was it said ,…forgive them for they know not what they do,…some big mouth apparently ,…..GEEEEEE!
They wrote a story about him,…..don’t know if it was His story” or there’s !! ;
@s klein: Glad you discovered Ms Austin-Fitts….read on to further discover that she was decimated by the Feds since she began Hamilton Securities…if you continue reading about her, you will discover that she is a very smart lady…and might have made a great NY Federal Reserve Bank Governor….yet her true beauty shines now that she has had years to reflect upon the systemic corruption devouring the US government….as she notes: most of the budgetary funded agencies are merely a delivery system to channel funds to offshore banks and private hands –thus a financial coup d’etat of massive proportions…now we have Max declaring that the current arrangement furthers that and calls them financial terrorists….and worse…pond “scum”!!! We in the West are programmed to accept the well dressed and elegant banking cartel as the royalty they wish they were…yet as they even today have captured the financial sector; it alone will survive rather than revert back to the boring status that banks once were characterized as….Industry and entrepenorship should be the backbone of the economy…not consumerism..The call to “go out and spend” even if it’s on credit that you can’t afford to repay is hogwash…How can JPMorgan and GS hold $81 trillion and $40 trillion in derivatives and still declare a profit??????..more of Catherine’s TAPEWORM….feed the tapeworm and suffocate on debt….so the “goldies” among us all line up to hear and read Max’s commentary…and so do I…CNBC, Bloomberg, and FOX will only hide you from reality…The global financial landscape has been decimated for us too…if it’s the savers v. the speculators…will it be a world where we follow them over the cliff?? or as we are now forewarned that the insiders have control over the a third to half of all the securities trades and are front running the tape….is this the new fool’s gold??? How can you want to be with the “smart money” and only be a goldie??? How many commentators will it take to allow the reality to shine through?? If the emperor has no clothes then tomorrow he also will have no clothes…best become a tailor or a seamstress…a miner or a herdsman..a gardener or a craftsman…the era of fool’s gold will be protracted for decades more if we still allow them to generate the falsehoods much like the call that we must “go forward”( with a new Breton Woods lead by the IMF and BIS etc…)….hell is there no one responsible for the trillions gone into the ethers???
@Sharon A vaccine is meant to trigger an immune response without actually causing disease. Smallpocks (one of the first vaccines) was made of heated cow or chicken pox, so it can contain parts of the pathogen. Weird medicin exist, think of lithium against depression, and nitroglycerin (dynamite) against some heart conditions. You may be right in your suspicions, I don’t know..
The Onion have surpassed themselves:
http://www.theonion.com
U.S. Bailout Costs May Reach $23.7 Trillion – Neil Barofsky (special inspector general TARP)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aQEI97EY.fs0
China states no more money for the US if Israel attacks Iran:-
http://dprogram.net/2009/07/18/russia-china-warn-us-that-israeli-attack-on-iran-means-%E2%80%9Cworld-war%E2%80%9D/
…………both Russia and China state that they will have “no choice” but to place an “immediate embargo” against any oil and gas coming from the Middle East and weapons to the region the United States may try to supply. China further states in this warning that upon an Israeli attack upon Iran they will “immediately cease” to purchase any more US debt, and with the American deficit hitting $1 Trillion for the first time in their history, and with it expecting to exceed $2 Trillion by the end of the fiscal year on September 30th, a particually grave threat being that China’s $2 Trillion in reserves are the only thing keeping the US economy afloat.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phZ2gpt4JCg PROJECT TIMEWAVE ZERO 2009 , a link for those that enjoy a bit of novelty and superstition like myself ,,video presentation for a graph of 2009 based upon work terrence mckenna , mathematician who developed an algorithm based upon ,mathematical relationship of i ching , predicting historical events, theory that time is somehow speeding up [sadly it doesn't work with predicting winning lotto numbers ], dates mentioned here Aug 20-23 Oct 24 – 29 [ we will have to wait and see ? ]
So, here we are, world war if Israel attacks Iran.
http://jengafinance.blogspot.com/
“The Price Of Ponzi”…
@Sharon, are there any other sources more official than the link you provided, feels more blog-like and thus harder to spread as legitimate news.. personally I have “US/Israel attacking Iran” on my list over plausable predictions/events taking place during 2009 but I need a better source for spreading these news.
Sharon
Not the BBC is it, i mean at lest show me a “Russia today”
Mike
100!!!!!
@ Mike/Liverpool….No, it’s not the BBC (if it were I’d be wondering what the angle was as I don’t trust them). |Yes, Russian Today – definitely more credible than BBC.
@ Mongo………..the only other links I’ve found are those below but they’re telling the same story. So it may just be on the blogs at the moment, ie. nothing official. Although most of the content is backed up by official news, eg. Israel moving their battle ships into position. If I find anything else I’ll post it.
http://www.cfciowa.org/K017/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=255:russia-china-warn-us-that-israeli-attack-on-iran-means-world-war&catid=4:national-news&Itemid=7
http://www.whatdoesitmean.com/index1251.htm
http://news.ronatvan.com/2009/07/19/russia-and-china-warn-us-that-israeli-attack-on-iran-means-world-war/
http://www.newsnet14.com/2009/07/russia-and-china-warn-us-if-it-allows-israel-to-attack-iran-there-will-be-a-world-war/
Sorry Mongo & Mike/Liverpool. I tried 3 times to post a response to you but it’s not appearing on the site and each time I try to post again it just comes up with a message that I’ve already posted.
@Sharon, is it a link? I tried googleing but I only find blogs more or less (or non-official sites).
@sharon
Comprehensive article by F. William Engdahl on the Swine Flu. You’re gonna love the title of it.
Legal Immunity for Swine flu Vaccine Makers
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14453
@frances snoot
Everybody including the American people get screwed again and again. Still there are Ponzi schemes discovered like a rat plaque, they keep up comming from the sewers and the gutters everywhere, each day.
I mean Max had that interview the other day with this French Illuminati guy who immediately is steering for world government (governence) and blatantly says we have to forget about the American people who got robbed by loving, good rapport writing GS.
What does it take to wake the American people up? Zyklon B produced by DEGESCH seeing poored into your FEMA camp showers?
btw Degesch still is in the poison business http://www.detia-degesch.de/
News Blackout En France!?
Goldman Sachs Vice Chairman, CFR Member Picked for State Department Post
http://www.infowars.com/goldman-sachs-vice-chairman-cfr-member-picked-for-state-department-post/
Time to celebrate!
Vaccine Immunity in the Independent: quote
The IoS has learnt that the UK has signed an order that grants drug companies making the swine flu vaccine immunity from compensation claims by patients who suffer side effects. This highly unusual move comes after claims in yesterday’s Independent that high-risks groups such as children are likely to receive the vaccine before the final clinical trail results are in.
A Department of Health spokeswoman said: “Our position is exactly the same as all countries using H1N1 vaccine. We accept liability, except for damages as a result of manufacturing defects.”
http://tinyurl.com/mm5uwa
@ Danny………thanks for that link which included the followiing:-
“Curiously enough, a full year before any reported case of the current alleged H1N1, the major pharmaceutical company, Baxter, filed for a patent for H1N1 vaccine………”
What a joke! Anyway, will you be taking the vaccine?
@ Youri……………..What does it take to wake the American people up? Zyklon B produced by DEGESCH seeing poored into your FEMA camp showers?
It won’t work! Some guys tested it out by sitting in a small, sealed room with zyklon B and after a number of hours they walked out – perfectly healthy. There was also a doctor there in case anything went wrong. Anyway, here’s the link:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYMdtEoa7CE
@sharon
I big fat NO i should think!
@sharon Yes, I know but people better understand where I am heading at. People in India killed themselves by drinking Monsanto killer seed pesticides. I try to draw a picture here, you catch my drift. Toiletpaper isn’t money, or is it?
Dutch Dwarf Drones sniffs out cannabis plantations http://tinyurl.com/lvqymk
@Youri
To be “American” in many a mind here is to accept certain certainties which were fabricated fables: the founding fathers, America’s good intentions, freedom for all, etc. People are invested in believing these myths. (Mind you we had slavery and genocide against the Indians; we stole land; we decimated sovereign nations…) We were used to promote a nwo, a world hegemony of corporatism with the state serving the master corporations. Hollywood fed the myth monster.
Americans need to realize that we are no longer needed; we have become expendable. Might take some time: people keep going through channels that have not worked for a century. Congress here is a circus. Bretton Woods is not mentioned in high school. To cross that river, one must stop believing in Santa. But the media provides doses of opium, and the church provides the bread and the wine. Sorry, but that is how it is: Sarah Palin still has a following!
Sharon: Interesting you mention the china connection with the vaccines. Tamiflu contains staranise which – if I am not mistaken – is also a chinese ingredient.
It got me wondering if the entire swine flu / medicine con was all subterfuge to pass cash to the chinese. Scenario: We buy cheap herbs packaged as big pharma ‘Tamiflu’ – and thus pay premiums – they get paid back money owed and it all occurs beneath the radar.
The ‘pandemic’ is manufactured as a vehicle to legitimize the conduit. Sort of creates a reason why the planning of the death bug was advanced.
I know my theory is speculative – but then again, I pass 50 or so deals like this every couple of seconds. Its all a big game and humans are soooooooooo dispensable.
@gonzomarx:
Thanks for the H1N1 link. I bookmarked it. Also, thanks to Sharon for all the vaccination information!!!
@sharon:
amazing link about China/Russia…thanks
You checked the financial pages and decided you’re leaving this place for somewhere nice? Bien! Turn au droit when y’all get to PARIS!! :
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Les+Rita/video/xz1an_les-rita-mitsouko-la-taille-du-bamb_music
(ok, it’s a little dated, but an excellent place to begin if you don’t know the first thing about ze french club scene. also, ask about Mme K at the ticket window. no reason not to check out with a bang.)
LOL; >> 78.84 << and falling…….
@frances snoot happy to spread the word. information loves to be free
and in that spirit…
“Legal chicanery and pitch darkness were the banker’s stoutest allies” from Wall Street Under Oath, 1936, the memoir of Ferdinand Pecora
help put pressure on the the recently established Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission (FCIC) can ensure that it provides the insights necessary to understand what caused the crisis and, in so doing, to protect the nation from future collapses.
http://tinyurl.com/mq8myq
seems like ron paul has been watching max keiser on france 24
(@2:36) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOwImRicZrw
Congressman Stearns: Mr Paulson How Do You Have Any Credibility? (July 16)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MH_oz9f1E4
What were the major happenings within the 10 days after Paulsen got the TARP money that justifies his change in the deal?
(more related videos from the hearing on the site)
The coming government debt default
http://www.321gold.com/editorials/saville/saville072009.html
Tomorrow is the Solar Eclipse !
Just wondering if all these esoteric happenings will really occur ! ( US$ attack, Gold shooting to the moon ).
In the UK right now … took a while to get my mobile internet working.
Greetings to all.
Well done Alex Jones Prank call
Alex Jones phones Army Recriuting 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-VFQrMKkn0
@danny
Notice I did say I was being ‘nit picking’ maybe you didn’t get it!..sorry is this something new I don’t understand where irish history is reduced to only things after 1922…that must save on history books…….maybe you should refer to post 1922 independence and all that…every time you mention your ireland…are you taking my comments too seriously….please don’t….you’d only be wasting your time…give yourself a break.
@Supergeek:
Read Yeats Easter 1916:
http://www.online-literature.com/yeats/779/
“Now and in time to be,
Wherever green is worn,
Are changed, changed utterly:
A terrible beauty is born.”
“Escort tapes” put Berlusconi back in spotlight http://tinyurl.com/nnyudv
@francis snoot
Don’t have to..No!…Can’t you just make your point…seems patronising otherwise.
Look at what was posted to youtube on Friday. This is part I of Irwin Schiff’s cartoon illustrated book from 1985. Follow the links to the rest of the parts. Seems to be going viral. Hope you get this before the video gets yanked.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nGQKXvX9ei8
Y’all keep up the great work.
Max/Stacy
I hear that a popular French pastime now is BURNING other peoples cars…………like 500 a weekend get touched…………have you seen any of this?
Mike
@mr supergeek
In a typical irish way I’ll apologise by asking ‘can i buy a you a pint”? I know, across the medium of text its difficult to recognise context. Yeah, I’m simply refering to post 1922 when we took charge of our own destiny. That argument seems redundant now as the ECB controls our currency and interest rates!!
Guess your right Mr Supergeek, I’ll take a breath and remember your on my side…
@Supergeek:
Please, patronize to me if it includes Yeats!!! Are you allergic to poetry?
Yeats is good medicine, not like the nasty vaccines, although he was a pompous ass.
Did Stacy and Max elope? Where are they???
@danny
cheers for that you’re a gentleman let me buy the pint you can play something on your banjo…..Yeah as people often point out here ..for all of us real independence is something of a fallacy these days.
Max and Stacy have gone to Maxines with that France 24 presenter.
Man, I watched that clip far too much!
@francis snoot
I’m allergic to links…sometimes. I try to read all the comments but don’t always have time to follow up all the links…sorry…it is late here in Britland..Yeats isn’t a problem…but I’m still recovering form listening to a recording of him reciting his own poetry….weird it was.
@Palantiri
Thanks so much for that link. Cliff Stearns really tore Paulson a new one!! watch him squirm…..
@francis snoot
Linkin back atcha….If you are interested here is thread I started on the forum over a month ago…allergic to poetry…ha.
http://maxkeiser.ning.com/forum/topics/a-space-for-poetry
p.s. am gonna read the Yeats as soon as I finish my supper.
@Supergeek:
Was it? Eerie…yes, and the spiral staircase collection…the theme of gyres. Anyway, I was totally ignorant about Irish history until I read Yeats. I apologize if I come off snooty.
@Mr. Supergeek:
Thankyou thankyou thank you! Will peruse the link with glee.
@ Thin Pierre
Belated response to your considered comment of July 16 2009, 3:04 a.m., under the topic
“Toxic assets, rising VIX & banker on the run” July 15th 2009
The text you responded to was a quote from a series of articles that will give you an appreciation for the in-your-face truth of Change Agent Zappa’s declarations that he and his band (and all the many associated cultural revolutionaries) were “On duty!” (They were part of an on-going elite military operation under The Crown.)
Here’s that link again, with That photo–of pre-assignment Agent Jim Morrison with his father, Admiral George (Tonkin) Morrison.
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/6604252/Inside-The-LC-The-Strange-but-Mostly-True-Story-of-Laurel-Canyon-and-the-Birth-of-the-Hippie-Generation
“Deutsche Bank has acknowledged it used detectives for surveillance of Gerald Herrmann, a union-affiliated supervisory board member, after suspecting him of leaks in 2001. The bank has apologised to Mr Herrmann, who is no longer on the supervisory board. Another suspected case, not confirmed by the bank, involved surveillance of Hermann-Josef Lamberti, chief operating officer.
In a third suspected case, also not confirmed by the bank, investigators working for Deutsche tried in 2006 to find out more about Michael Bohndorf, a lawyer and shareholder who asked critical questions at an annual meeting.
Investigators allegedly rented Mr Bohndorf’s house on Ibiza and he has alleged that a young woman was sent to spy on him. At least some of the cases involve outside contractors hired by the bank.”
FROM: Deutsche Bank caught by ‘spying’ probe (The Financial Times) http://bit.ly/Aq56P
@frances snoot
There where and there still are a lot of deceptions. Roosevelt said that he at least needed a year to let the propaganda go and work in to the public before he should mingle The U.S.A. into the WOII.
These people where studying PR and Propaganda methods right from the start. Hitler and also Communist China wanted to have a radio in every house to spread their monopoly message.
Just before 911 I thought it could get either way whit the U.S. foreign politics, it can go more intelligent and better or it can go worse. After 911 we discovered U.S. Politics became even worse and roque going for broke burning new made trucks, as a symbol of the over all mind setting; Steel before others steel it for Ya!
@Palantíri
Yeah nice link….It just needed joe pesci to turn up and call him a “stuttering prick” to complete the job.
for Youri:
Light
Soft, white, fluid movement
Cascades in sheets
Awakening wings to flight
Skimming, dipping
Salt-spray droplets
Freckles shaded by clouds
Upon the downy greens.
Life alone, then
Mine
Only mine
The free sense of self
Loosely tied belonging
Genuflection sprite.
Stars to windward
Heavy list slows the spirit
Drag deep upon the hull
Upon the faceless paths
Sounding silent, faithful course
Leads home.
Here’s a goodie:
The Case Against Larry Summers:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/
@Mep
“Lawrence H. Summers (former Treasury Secretary Clinton Repael glass steal act, World Bank Professor Harverd) Was forced out of the Harvard presidency for formulating a personality cult, displaying supreme arrogance, being dismissive of most everyone and being biased against women.
As Clinton’s Treasury Secretary he rejected warnings from Brooksley Born at that time head of the CFTC regarding the regulation of derivatives. Summers called her up and scrammed at Ms. Born, who resigned as a result and who has since proved to be correct, and Summers wrong.
Summers is one nasty piece of work! Summers is calling for more economic stimulus packages – essentially give a-ways – that won’t work. They are stalling measures. ”
Quote: Bob Chapman.
http://implode-explode.com/viewnews/2009-07-20_Francepersistsinexternalisinghedgefunddilemma.html
Oh no!
Madoff and the frogs?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124812675913666485.html
The little Texan who Could…
More Fed battles ala WSJ…
http://www.businessinsider.com/henry-blodget-ron-pauls-solution-to-the-economic-collapse-2009-7
“How a Pessimistic Ron Paul would fix the economy”…
@Mike/Liverpool
Q: What Do You Call 300 Burning Citroëns ?
A: Bastille Day
http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.com/2009/07/its-car-b-q-season.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsxdDuQnmZ4
Swine born in lab?
@Ismael,
I just came across the news about Hormats being tapped for a position at the State Dept. It’s just not even funny anymore.
Which is the head of this monster that we must declare war on and slay? Is it the Federal Reserve, or is it Goldman Sachs?
@ gonzomarx and Scott,
Another article about legal immunity for makers of swine flu vaccines:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14453
http://www.ac-nancy-metz.fr/enseign/anglais/Henry/monkeys.jpg goldman sachs trading room.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0_zL5AZO-M&feature=channel_page time to hit the road ,never stay in one place for too long , ciao ,..good luck everyone !
@sharon
Belated response to a question you threw out a while back, wondering about who to blame for this mess.
Who are in charge of the pope’s security?
What is displayed on the Swiss flag?
How is it that nobody invades Switzerland?
Who were the “Norman” Invaders, really? And the St. Clair clan (Scottish “Sinclair”) who launched the original “crusades” under the standard of the Red Cross?
Have the old ruling classes faded away or are they hiding behind a Red Shield and letting the dumbest of their illegitimate offspring take the fall as puppet politicians?
How transparent can economies and governments be when they are controlled via secret societies?
Anything but green:
cheers – I took a read. Nothing too contentious but the allegation regarding South-east asia is not collaborated with any reference and I find it somewhat unlikely.
Also, the charge that he never produced any material against (chemical) warfare is not entirely true. I will spare you a copy/paste of lyrical content with a bomb/war reference but here are some links should you care to read. His general attitude against chemicals is quite well documented.
Dumb all over:
http://www.lyricsfreak.com/f/frank+zappa/dumb+all+over_20057039.html
Jesus thinks your a jerk:
http://www.poemhunter.com/song/jesus-thinks-you-re-a-jerk/
@ Thin Pierre
Thanks for the links. The work seems to be part of the effort to undermine established religion.
If you are interested in FZ, you will surely enjoy reading the entire Laural Canyon series from Dave’s Web, but it’s better with photos. The larger context will throw light on the specifics.
It’s quite common for key Kultur Kreation figures to present fake persona, depending on their targets. They are all on short leashes and do what they’re told. Bertrand Russell is a good example.
If you enjoy this topic beyond the narrow context of FZ, you might enjoy Frances Stoner Saunders’ book. Besides the contents, the English author writes quality prose that is a pleasure in itself;
http://www.meaus.com/cia-and-modern-art.htm
@Mother Earth
Actually people long ago knew the remedy against small pocks. They made a wound on the arm of, mostly children and taking some of the skin of the affected by the small pocks and put it in the wound. As such causing a triggering of the immune system without getting completely sick.
Anything but Green:
Thanks for the link – I will certainly take a look at the book you refer too.
Zappa was quite conservative in his views but not anti-religion. A Hare Krishna, he tended to criticize those who would use religion to justify selfish acts or acts which he considered wrong. His overly moral position is why he is often considered authoritarian. I have never seen or heard any reference to classify him with the eugenicists.
Personally, I am not in the least interested in any other aspect of sixties american music culture as popularized by the hippie movement. Jim Morrison etc (Hendrix excluded) were the product of the birth of corporate America, whereas Zappa had more in common with Mark Twain or some other american patriot figure, in my humble opinion.
@ Thin Pierre
This could be a double post. Sometimes the comments don’t go through straight away.
http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html
There are about 16 articles in the LC series, in which Zappa is painted as a high level military intelligence agent working with all-military personnel, helping to culturally engineer the baby boomers. As for any genuine religious strain, it appears to be the usual “ancient mystery religion” with the de rigeur ritual human sacrifices, belief in reincarnation, etc. Hardly a Mark Twain style patriot.
The text in your links indicated an attempt to chip away at organized Christianity, which would be part of the long-term plan to replace the old religions with the new earth worship religion.
Speaking of Mark Twain, he gently hints at the Kultur Kreation industry in this essay:
http://yost.com/bacon/IsShakespeareDead-Twain.html
A stand-up comedian’s rendition:
Mark Twain’s ‘Is Shakespeare Dead?’ — with Keir Cutler
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7004942638729319523
(Going offline for a while but will check this topic later for any further comments.)
Anything but Green:
Not much to continue really, but I’ll try.
“There are about 16 articles in the LC series, in which Zappa is painted as a high level military intelligence agent working with all-military personnel, helping to culturally engineer the baby boomers.”
Believe it if you want to, I am not yet convinced. Any one who says ‘think for yourself’ is cool in my book.
“As for any genuine religious strain, it appears to be the usual “ancient mystery religion” with the de rigeur ritual human sacrifices, belief in reincarnation.”
Mmm, Mystery school teachings are deeply engrained for sure. Even when I read serious theological text I often sense the author is not as immune to its influence, whilst attempting to denounce it, as they would hope for and often reveal their own shortcomings as a result.
So a middle-class white boy from Los Angeles is hardly going to be immune. You have to start reading authentic African text if you want a clear view, and even then the reprints can offer misleading analysis due to European indoctrination.
However, I am not really sure what point you/LC Series are making here. Is it that satire is irrelevant? That people are forever responsible for the actions of their parents. That teenage indiscretions should never be seen as only that but should carry a life sentance?
That is some ‘Mark of Cain’, never mind Mark Twain.
Or is the criticism referring to Francis Zappa? That I could begin to understand.
@ Thin Pierre
“Think for yourself?” Have you ever met anyone who can do that?
Harrison Bergeron (1995)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-175006468841636088
The LC series is neat because a good deal of the slogging has been done on a small slice of the culture creation industry, and the reader is left to, well, THINK. You will see that none of the key players were “ordinary” middle class white boys and girls. I am not making the points you mention, not at all.
This site seems to be the usual gatekeeping variety, but assembles data on the contemporary kultur industry that has significance for the immediate future:
http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/
Or, on a stiffer note, Theodor Adorno (pal of Queen Liz II & creator of Beatles music) provides a few hints:
http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/SWA/Culture_industry_reconsidered.shtml
That Mark Twain (Is Shakespeare Dead?) article coaxes people to THINK. He throws light on the same machine (under Queen Liz I) that Dave McGowan has set out for us.
@ Thin Pierre
The aim is not to “criticize” FZ, but to point out that things are rarely what they seem, especially in mainstream culture.
“Think for yourself?” Have you ever met anyone who can do that?
Harrison Bergeron (1995)
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-175006468841636088
The LC series is neat because a good deal of the slogging has been done on a small slice of the entertainment industry, and the reader is left to, well, THINK. You will see that none of the key players were “ordinary” middle class white boys and girls. I am not making the points you mention, not at all.
This site seems to be the usual gatekeeping variety, but assembles data on the contemporary kultur industry that has significance for the immediate future:
http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/
Or, on a stiffer note, Theodor Adorno (pal of Queen Lizzie & creator of Beatles music) provides a few hints:
http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/SWA/Culture_industry_reconsidered.shtml
That Mark Twain (Is Shakespeare Dead?) article coaxes people to THINK. He was pointing at the same system that Dave McGowan has set out for us.
To crit FZ (lifestyle/music/philosophy) is fair enough – go ahead.
But to associate FZ with MKULTRA is just disinformation. Fabrication of fact.
Yes I do know people who can think for themselves, quite a few, maybe I do not know how lucky I am.
“The LC series is neat because a good deal of the slogging has been done on a small slice of the entertainment industry.”
Thats cool if you want a short-cut to knowledge on pop culture, but I do my own slogging, and I know from personal association with some individuals that LC series has lots of its editorial slanted to provide a convenient narrative despite facts not always stacking up.
One could accuse Iggy Pop of colonialism because his dad taught English? To the nth degree of academic sophism you could make that intellectual leap – sure. However, its absurdity would only reduce more substantial aspects of any argument redundant. LC Series appears to fall into that trap. A gossip column for pop intellectuals.
Presumably Moondog wasn’t blind but actually gathering information as a prelude to the attack on Grenada.
Sorry, I remain unconvinced in the central premise of this debate despite receiving some very interesting links.
thanks.
@ Thin Pierre
Sorry I haven’t been able to entice you to read the LC series. It gives you a glimpse of the descendants of the “Norman” Invaders and how they create our reality…. right out of Plato’s Republic. I don’t know if the author makes the same connections.
It’s been fun. Thanks.