Fiscal disasters, disbelieving Ponzis and misused TARP

July 20th, 2009 by stacyherbert

Stacy Summary:  The disbelieving Ponzi victims remind me of nearly the entire populations of much of the Western world that Ambrose says await an Irish fiscal fate.  What are you thinking or reading about today?

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  • 13blackcats
    Jul 20, 2009 at 9:24 pm

    @Mike/Liverpool

    Q: What Do You Call 300 Burning Citroëns ?

    A: Bastille Day

    http://hallsofmacadamia.blogspot.com/2009/07/its-car-b-q-season.html

  • Mep
    Jul 20, 2009 at 10:39 pm

    @Ismael,

    I just came across the news about Hormats being tapped for a position at the State Dept. It’s just not even funny anymore.

    Which is the head of this monster that we must declare war on and slay? Is it the Federal Reserve, or is it Goldman Sachs?

  • Mep
    Jul 20, 2009 at 10:48 pm

    @ gonzomarx and Scott,

    Another article about legal immunity for makers of swine flu vaccines:

    http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14453

  • marcus
    Jul 20, 2009 at 11:19 pm

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K0_zL5AZO-M&feature=channel_page time to hit the road ,never stay in one place for too long , ciao ,..good luck everyone !

  • anything but green
    Jul 20, 2009 at 11:36 pm

    @sharon

    Belated response to a question you threw out a while back, wondering about who to blame for this mess.

    Who are in charge of the pope’s security?
    What is displayed on the Swiss flag?
    How is it that nobody invades Switzerland?
    Who were the “Norman” Invaders, really? And the St. Clair clan (Scottish “Sinclair”) who launched the original “crusades” under the standard of the Red Cross?
    Have the old ruling classes faded away or are they hiding behind a Red Shield and letting the dumbest of their illegitimate offspring take the fall as puppet politicians?
    How transparent can economies and governments be when they are controlled via secret societies?

  • Thin Pierre
    Jul 21, 2009 at 2:36 am

    Anything but green:

    cheers – I took a read. Nothing too contentious but the allegation regarding South-east asia is not collaborated with any reference and I find it somewhat unlikely.

    Also, the charge that he never produced any material against (chemical) warfare is not entirely true. I will spare you a copy/paste of lyrical content with a bomb/war reference but here are some links should you care to read. His general attitude against chemicals is quite well documented.

    Dumb all over:
    http://www.lyricsfreak.com/f/frank+zappa/dumb+all+over_20057039.html

    Jesus thinks your a jerk:
    http://www.poemhunter.com/song/jesus-thinks-you-re-a-jerk/

  • anything but green
    Jul 21, 2009 at 5:38 am

    @ Thin Pierre

    Thanks for the links. The work seems to be part of the effort to undermine established religion.

    If you are interested in FZ, you will surely enjoy reading the entire Laural Canyon series from Dave’s Web, but it’s better with photos. The larger context will throw light on the specifics.

    It’s quite common for key Kultur Kreation figures to present fake persona, depending on their targets. They are all on short leashes and do what they’re told. Bertrand Russell is a good example.

    If you enjoy this topic beyond the narrow context of FZ, you might enjoy Frances Stoner Saunders’ book. Besides the contents, the English author writes quality prose that is a pleasure in itself;
    http://www.meaus.com/cia-and-modern-art.htm

  • Youri Carma
    Jul 21, 2009 at 7:25 am

    @Mother Earth

    Actually people long ago knew the remedy against small pocks. They made a wound on the arm of, mostly children and taking some of the skin of the affected by the small pocks and put it in the wound. As such causing a triggering of the immune system without getting completely sick.

  • Thin Pierre
    Jul 21, 2009 at 7:53 am

    Anything but Green:

    Thanks for the link – I will certainly take a look at the book you refer too.

    Zappa was quite conservative in his views but not anti-religion. A Hare Krishna, he tended to criticize those who would use religion to justify selfish acts or acts which he considered wrong. His overly moral position is why he is often considered authoritarian. I have never seen or heard any reference to classify him with the eugenicists.

    Personally, I am not in the least interested in any other aspect of sixties american music culture as popularized by the hippie movement. Jim Morrison etc (Hendrix excluded) were the product of the birth of corporate America, whereas Zappa had more in common with Mark Twain or some other american patriot figure, in my humble opinion.

  • anything but green
    Jul 21, 2009 at 10:46 am

    @ Thin Pierre

    This could be a double post. Sometimes the comments don’t go through straight away.

    http://www.davesweb.cnchost.com/nwsltr93.html

    There are about 16 articles in the LC series, in which Zappa is painted as a high level military intelligence agent working with all-military personnel, helping to culturally engineer the baby boomers. As for any genuine religious strain, it appears to be the usual “ancient mystery religion” with the de rigeur ritual human sacrifices, belief in reincarnation, etc. Hardly a Mark Twain style patriot.

    The text in your links indicated an attempt to chip away at organized Christianity, which would be part of the long-term plan to replace the old religions with the new earth worship religion.

    Speaking of Mark Twain, he gently hints at the Kultur Kreation industry in this essay:
    http://yost.com/bacon/IsShakespeareDead-Twain.html

    A stand-up comedian’s rendition:
    Mark Twain’s ‘Is Shakespeare Dead?’ — with Keir Cutler
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7004942638729319523

    (Going offline for a while but will check this topic later for any further comments.)

  • Thin Pierre
    Jul 21, 2009 at 2:31 pm

    Anything but Green:

    Not much to continue really, but I’ll try.

    “There are about 16 articles in the LC series, in which Zappa is painted as a high level military intelligence agent working with all-military personnel, helping to culturally engineer the baby boomers.”

    Believe it if you want to, I am not yet convinced. Any one who says ‘think for yourself’ is cool in my book.

    “As for any genuine religious strain, it appears to be the usual “ancient mystery religion” with the de rigeur ritual human sacrifices, belief in reincarnation.”

    Mmm, Mystery school teachings are deeply engrained for sure. Even when I read serious theological text I often sense the author is not as immune to its influence, whilst attempting to denounce it, as they would hope for and often reveal their own shortcomings as a result.

    So a middle-class white boy from Los Angeles is hardly going to be immune. You have to start reading authentic African text if you want a clear view, and even then the reprints can offer misleading analysis due to European indoctrination.

    However, I am not really sure what point you/LC Series are making here. Is it that satire is irrelevant? That people are forever responsible for the actions of their parents. That teenage indiscretions should never be seen as only that but should carry a life sentance?

    That is some ‘Mark of Cain’, never mind Mark Twain.

    Or is the criticism referring to Francis Zappa? That I could begin to understand.

  • anything but green
    Jul 22, 2009 at 1:56 am

    @ Thin Pierre

    “Think for yourself?” Have you ever met anyone who can do that?

    Harrison Bergeron (1995)
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-175006468841636088

    The LC series is neat because a good deal of the slogging has been done on a small slice of the culture creation industry, and the reader is left to, well, THINK. You will see that none of the key players were “ordinary” middle class white boys and girls. I am not making the points you mention, not at all.

    This site seems to be the usual gatekeeping variety, but assembles data on the contemporary kultur industry that has significance for the immediate future:
    http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/

    Or, on a stiffer note, Theodor Adorno (pal of Queen Liz II & creator of Beatles music) provides a few hints:
    http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/SWA/Culture_industry_reconsidered.shtml

    That Mark Twain (Is Shakespeare Dead?) article coaxes people to THINK. He throws light on the same machine (under Queen Liz I) that Dave McGowan has set out for us.

  • anything but green
    Jul 22, 2009 at 2:18 am

    @ Thin Pierre

    The aim is not to “criticize” FZ, but to point out that things are rarely what they seem, especially in mainstream culture.

    “Think for yourself?” Have you ever met anyone who can do that?

    Harrison Bergeron (1995)
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-175006468841636088

    The LC series is neat because a good deal of the slogging has been done on a small slice of the entertainment industry, and the reader is left to, well, THINK. You will see that none of the key players were “ordinary” middle class white boys and girls. I am not making the points you mention, not at all.

    This site seems to be the usual gatekeeping variety, but assembles data on the contemporary kultur industry that has significance for the immediate future:
    http://pseudoccultmedia.blogspot.com/

    Or, on a stiffer note, Theodor Adorno (pal of Queen Lizzie & creator of Beatles music) provides a few hints:
    http://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/SWA/Culture_industry_reconsidered.shtml

    That Mark Twain (Is Shakespeare Dead?) article coaxes people to THINK. He was pointing at the same system that Dave McGowan has set out for us.

  • Thin Pierre
    Jul 22, 2009 at 7:34 am

    To crit FZ (lifestyle/music/philosophy) is fair enough – go ahead.

    But to associate FZ with MKULTRA is just disinformation. Fabrication of fact.

    Yes I do know people who can think for themselves, quite a few, maybe I do not know how lucky I am.

    “The LC series is neat because a good deal of the slogging has been done on a small slice of the entertainment industry.”

    Thats cool if you want a short-cut to knowledge on pop culture, but I do my own slogging, and I know from personal association with some individuals that LC series has lots of its editorial slanted to provide a convenient narrative despite facts not always stacking up.

    One could accuse Iggy Pop of colonialism because his dad taught English? To the nth degree of academic sophism you could make that intellectual leap – sure. However, its absurdity would only reduce more substantial aspects of any argument redundant. LC Series appears to fall into that trap. A gossip column for pop intellectuals.

    Presumably Moondog wasn’t blind but actually gathering information as a prelude to the attack on Grenada.

    Sorry, I remain unconvinced in the central premise of this debate despite receiving some very interesting links.

    thanks.

  • anything but green
    Jul 22, 2009 at 9:19 am

    @ Thin Pierre
    Sorry I haven’t been able to entice you to read the LC series. It gives you a glimpse of the descendants of the “Norman” Invaders and how they create our reality…. right out of Plato’s Republic. I don’t know if the author makes the same connections.

    It’s been fun. Thanks.

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