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• Mini US

  Aug 18, 2009 at 5:13 pm

  

  More of “Its For Your Own Good” talk from shiny orange Hilary.

  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8208683.stm
• Mini US

  Aug 18, 2009 at 5:14 pm

  

  Re: previous post…

  “Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez has expressed fears the move would amount to preparation for an invasion of his country by US forces.”
• Giuseppe Bagodonutti

  Aug 18, 2009 at 5:21 pm

  

  SAY there…

  How does the PMF actually process funding?

  I don’t see any PAYPAL icons or the like…

  although I “reserved” a copy…
  but the funding is still ZERO
  (yah, I know… it’s still BETA)
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 5:31 pm

  

  A personal message about Evil

  I know what Evil is cause I’ve bin there. Not literally but learing by knowing thyself. Everybody has an evil side even if they know it or not.

  And from what I’ve envisioned from my bad side, “Oh boy, you don’t wonna be there” I can tell you!

  People who have this knowledge of themselves know this is true but they are better able to control this for the better or, like some of them unfortunately, for the worse.

  So we not only have to fight this “homo homini lupus” Wolf (Lupus) inside ourselves but also in other people who are not aware and awake.

  I’ve been on the Island Patmos where Johannes wrote his new testimonies ” Revelations.” I’ve seen things you people wouldn’t believe.

  From my own personal expieriences I know there is more “between heaven and earth” than many suspect and I am not the only one.

  Remember God only helps those who help themselves.

  Let the force be with you my friends.

  I’ve you read this you know your the resistants

  End of Message

  Youri Carma
• Giuseppe Bagodonutti

  Aug 18, 2009 at 5:40 pm

  

  There is no Evil
  There is no Good

  It’s all just a relative thing
  in y’all’s neighbourhood…

  What would an alien think?
  Why is this bag’o'blood
  wiggling his dink?
• Mini US

  Aug 18, 2009 at 5:42 pm

  

  @Your Carma.
  I have a theory.
  It goes…
  “If you think you are good at something, chances are you are not as good as you think you are. Inversely, if you think you are bad at something, chances are you are better at it than you think you are”
  Its like driving a car. Usually people who think they are good drivers are the worst drivwers and the ones who think they suck are really careful, etc.
  Just a theory, but I agree that if you(one) think you are evil Chances are you probably aren’t as bad as you think. In fact you probably work harder at being ‘good’ knowing that you have an evil side (as you say we all do). Therefore are a good person, or at very least a better person than you think you are.
  Take heart in my theory and smile
• Dante

  Aug 18, 2009 at 5:48 pm

  

  How do you think these people are going to hold up as things get really tough?

  Squeaking by on $300,000

  http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/15/AR2009081502957_pf.html
• Giuseppe Bagodonutti

  Aug 18, 2009 at 5:48 pm

  

  
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 5:50 pm

  

  @Mini US

  It is a realy good theory, TnX!

  @Giuseppe Bagodonutti “What would an alien think?”

  An Alien would look at the earth and see that there are some strange beings picking up the shit for some wolf type being and would start thinking about “Who is actually in charge here?”
• Giuseppe Bagodonutti

  Aug 18, 2009 at 5:57 pm

  

  @Youri

  I’ve been under the assumption that aliens would assume Cows, Cats, and Dogs rule us…

  We serve them…
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 6:27 pm

  

  People have become Nihilists

  People think that if they stay in their little MSM invented tunnel vision world and just stay happy, everything will be allright.

  In fact people became Nihilistic and don’t want to see the truth cause that disturbes their “Happy View” on the world.

  They rather keep looking through pink glasses, be Koelee drinkers and stick their head in the sand.

  Some of them don’t even there head from a hole in the ground and unfurtantely can’t be helped although we wish otherwise.

  NIHILISM: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nihilism
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 6:39 pm

  

  90% of U.S. currency tainted with cocaine. Which city’s is the worst? – Los Angeles Times Blogs http://url4.eu/G6iD
• Giuseppe Bagodonutti

  Aug 18, 2009 at 6:50 pm

  

  @Youri

  You’re too optimistic…
  People aren’t nihilists
  They are indolent belly-button lint bong smokers

  But that’s what we are for…
  Tell the People…
  it’s the best we can do…
  I spread the word
  even to street denizens high on crack
  (they are actually good disseminators of the Gospel)
  it’s like this article on the Critical Mass of Enlightenment
  http://deoxy.org/critmass.htm
  eventually,
  when enough people come to the realization,
  then society EXPLODES in Consciousness
  I’ve never met a true Nihilist
  becuz they DON’T EXIST

  RE:COCAINE TAINTED CASH
  Old story…
  I knew that shit when I was 9 years old…
  I’m surprised the Ass-Munching Turd-Tokers are rehashing that story for their pathetic ratings…
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 7:04 pm

  

  Giuseppe Bagodonutti

  However not many, who know me, would suspect cause of my depresive nature sometimes, I am indeed and truly an optimist.

  But people often confuse my pure realistic views with unrealistic acording to their little pinky world and a lot of them are intelectuals too who think the should stay deformed by their work or pick of “friends” which best suits their “Happy Pappy Pinky Vieuw”.

  But I like “They are indolent belly-button lint bong smokers”

  But their bunche of so called intelectuals among them too.
• Giuseppe Bagodonutti

  Aug 18, 2009 at 7:18 pm

  

  @Youri

  RE: Depressive Nature

  There’s a couple type of people that Fish

  Some just cast the rod into the water aimlessly,
  hoping to bag a Carp…

  Others put on the Polarized sunglasses
  so they can peer through the reflective surface
  and see the fish underneath…
  
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 7:48 pm

  

  Marc Faber ( Dr. Realist and cerainly not like MSMs, who are Nihilists and name him Dr. Doom) said that Money is tightening. In my vieuw it could have been a tightened money supply all along cause just little of the 24 trill stimulus went into the real economy as this seems more and more likely now deflation is actualy happening and not only in the U.S. also Japan, China, the Netherlands etc..

  We also must not forget that in a declining economy with a negative multiplier you can’t have inflation that easy and when credit money suply thightends for all kind of Banksters related reasons, deflation is not a surprise. Although oil prices make the main price desicions for all products for obvious reasons.

  Commodities will keep rising cause there’s nowhere else to go with a, in the long term eventually and uninevitably, sliding dollar. Volatility has not to be confused with long term insides.

  People and Countries only can turn to more “tangible goods” in last resort besides Silver and Gold. Commodeties will rise only on the simple fact that people have no where else to go.

  The Stockmarket is a laughing stock were only some volatility traders remain beside the high velocity and frequency frontrunning trader Goldman Sachs.

  My Comment on:
  Despite PPI Decline, Breakfasts Aren’t Cheaper http://tinyurl.com/pscj96
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 8:02 pm

  

  Mistake Not trader Goldman Sachs but trator Goldman Sachs, sorry!
• Scott from Oregon

  Aug 18, 2009 at 8:15 pm

  

  Youri- People don’t have evil “sides”, they most likely have diminished frontal lobes. “Good” and “Evil” are pretty simplified and archaic constructs, much like “heaven” and “hell”.

  People do “evil” things, but they do them, usually, for extremely petty reasons. You could say people are simple-minded and petty and therefore do evil things, which would be closer to the mark.

  One of the most evil people I’ve ever heard about was Mother Theresa.

  Lordy was she an evil bitch.
• dan valley

  Aug 18, 2009 at 8:26 pm

  

  @ YOURI………this is what an alien or anyoneone with the capacity for critical thinking would ponder of the the human race…………The Four Horsemen
  of the Apocalypse
  Back in 1980 novelist WILLIAM S. BURROUGHS addressed the Eco-Technic Institute.
  A transcript of his ‘prophetic’(?) talk.
  This article appeared in
  New Dawn Magazine No. 37, July-August 1996
  http://www.newdawnmagazine.com/Articles/Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse.html
  By William S. Burroughs
  I’m speaking here as a writer of fiction, and of course many of the hypotheses and theories and ideas
  and suggestions that I will put forward may horrify a scientific audience. But they’re to be seen from a
  fictional point of view. My subject is The Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse, which were Famine,
  Plague, War, and Death…
  Portentous and purposeful as the priest advancing on a dying man to administer the Last Rites, so the four caballeros by
  their solid presence indicate that Time has been called for that particular biologic or sociological experiment. Closing time,
  gentlemen… dinosaurs bellow piteously, Famine saddles up his cayuse and gallops through swamplands leaving a
  dustbowl behind him… and the outmoded dinosaurs subside into museum skeletons, gaped at by human spectators. And
  the day of the spectators will come too.
  At the present time, the situation of course with regards to the Four Horsemen is much more complicated than it was
  before man appeared on the scene, there the most important Horseman was probably Famine. At the present time, the
  subject of the experiment, in this case the human species, can to some extent control the conditions of the experiment,
  but this isn’t such an advantage as one would think since they cannot control themselves. The human creature has
  demonstrated through the centuries a stubborn disinclination to control himself. However, if I may indulge in whimsy, had
  we been dinosaurs we might have built great dams to preserve supplies of water and protect our way of life and we might
  have hunted down the despicable mammals as the egg-sucking rats they were. Some have advanced theories that the
  mammals ate the dinosaurs’ eggs and undermined them that way though many other factors were at work in the
  disappearance of the dinosaurs.
  There is such basic disagreement as to how existing conditions can be altered, by exactly who and for the benefit of
  whom, there doesn’t appear to be any sort of agreement. And stupidity and short-sighted self interest may well swamp
  Spacecraft Earth before the Horsemen can saddle up. Meanwhile, the Spectral Riders are being eagerly wooed by the
  CIA and similar agencies in other countries… wise, far-sighted men who will no doubt use their awesome knowledge of
  Famine, Plague, War and Death for the good of all mankind.
  “Put that joker Death on the line. Take care of Mao and that gang of cut-throats.”
  Actually, Western society is so constructed as to concentrate the greatest power in the worst possible hands. See,
  practically anything has military applications. So really the most important knowledge is now Top Secret classified.
  Famine, seemingly the most fortuitous of the quartet, is transcending the caprices of weather, deforestation and
  overpopulation and getting a new look. We can in fact extend the area of Famine to include the lack of any substance or
  condition essential to the support of life. We can in fact create needs quite as overwhelming or compulsive as the need for
  food and water. Drug addiction is of course an example of a biologic need artificially produced by the administration of
  drugs. And no doubt drugs much more habit-forming than heroin could be produced in the laboratory by jiggering and
  tinkering with the habit-forming molecules.
  We now have substances which could be introduced into the water supply, or even in gaseous form into the enemy air,
  that have no effect unless it is withdrawn. And then a battery of crippling symptoms would develop, reducing the enemy to
  complete impotence. There are certain metabolic illnesses in which the subject is unable to absorb certain essential
  vitamins and minerals no matter how much he ingests. In fact, it is not far-fetched to conceive of inducing metabolic
  changes that would make the absorption of any nutriments impossible: no matter how much he eats the person would die
  of starvation.
  The alliance between War and Plague was cemented with the first germ experiments and in this area there have been a
  number of interesting developments. Despite a lot of talk about discontinuing such experiments and closing down the
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  biologic and chemical warfare centres, Fort Dietrich, in Maryland is now dedicated to cancer research. And cancer
  research, incidentally, overlaps the more sophisticated areas of biologic weaponry.
  As early as World War II, England had a Doomsday Bug which was a mutated virus produced by exposing such viruses
  as hepatitis and rabies to radiation. Now we know that a number of experiments have been carried out on exposing fruit
  flies to radiation. These experiments conclusively showed that there were no favorable mutations resulting from exposure
  to radiation… certainly not on fruit flies. Now one wonders why they didn’t carry these experiments further and expose
  microscopic and sub-microscopic life to radiation. The answer is, undoubtedly they did and are doing just that but it’s Top
  Secret. It is difficult to believe that such a promising line of research was abandoned and disturbing to speculate where
  that research is at the present time…
  And there is an item from the London Times, 18th April, 1971:
  “New Cancer Virus Made By Accident… A completely new virus, probably capable of producing cancer in humans, has
  been made by accident in an American laboratory… Fears expressed by cautious scientists that such medical research
  could inadvertently produce new human diseases instead of curing existing ones. The new agent was discovered by Dr.
  Abramson of the National Cancer Institute, near Washington. Under special conditions, the mouse virus could be
  persuaded to infect human cancer cells in a test tube, though the process was extremely inefficient. Dr. Abramson now
  reports, in Nature, that the mouse virus has changed its nature. It has become highly infective to human cells and
  completely non-infective to mouse cells.”
  In other words, we have a permanent change. A major genetic change has occurred in the virus and what amounts to a
  completely new virus has emerged. The virus has picked up a human gene and incorporated it, giving it the ability to
  multiply readily in human cells. Sir Macfarlane Burnet, in The Lancet, sounds a word of warning, of the “almost
  unimaginable catastrophe of a virgin soil epidemic involving all the populous regions of the world”. The age-old dream of a
  selective pestilence is now within the reach of modern technology.
  This is also from the London Times, about 1970:
  “Ethnic weapons that wipe out one race and leave another unharmed could soon be developed, according to leading
  geneticist. Carl Larsen (a Norwegian) said recently: ‘Ethnic weapons would employ differences in human genetic
  configurations to make genetic variations which would make genocide a particularly attractive form of war.’ (I’m quoting,
  this is not my opinion.) Writing in the U.S. Army Military Review, Larsen argues that enzyme levels can vary according to
  race; the absence of certain enzymes can cause death. Enzyme deficiency could be exploited by chemical warfare.”
  It would probably be possible to develop a chemical which will act as an enzyme inhibitor. Say you find an enzyme
  inhibitor to which 90% of Europeans would be vulnerable, which affects only 10% of Africans. Since the inhibitor could tell
  friend from foe, no matter how intermingled, it is the superselective military weapon. It is what all military thinkers dream
  of. Larsen admitted that “more genetic research was needed before ethnic weapons became a practical reality,” but again
  this was ten years ago.
  Selection of course could be carried much further, even to the point of an illness that affects only people with certain traits
  of character, since character is an expression of an overall metabolic configuration. That is, there is a rage metabolism, a
  metabolism associated with covert hostility, and so on. So it would be possible to carry your selective pestilence much
  further.
  Well, it seems that War, Plague and Famine are merging. What about the Last Horseman… Death, a pale horse, a pale
  rider? Can Death maintain a separation from the means by which Death is produced? Can he stay separate from the
  horseman and get out there and do the job, or is the union between Death and the instrument of Death about to be
  consumated? There are those who think so.
  Herald-Tribune, June 8, 1970: “The Synthetic Gene Revolution.” This is the first synthetic gene by Dr. Hare Khorana, at
  the University of Wisconsin. And there’s been a lot of research since. They’ve created an artificial gene; news that ranks
  with the splitting of the atom as a milestone in our control or lack of control of the physical universe.
  “It is the beginning of the end” – this was the reaction to the news from the science attache at one of Washington’s major
  embassies. “If you can make genes you can eventually make new viruses for which there is no cure. Any little country with
  good biochemists could make such biological weapons. It would only take a small laboratory.” If it can be done, someone
  will do it. To be sure, it’s almost science fiction but science fiction has a bad habit of coming true. In fact, it frequently
  surpasses the fact. The facts of science are now surpassing science fiction, and we have a lot of books that would be
  classified as scientific fact: a novel like The Terminal Man, there’s nothing in there that isn’t within the reach of modern
  technology.
  Of course, the Gentlemen Riders have no meaning outside of human context, they are in fact human inventions. So let us
  examine the human context.
  The first thing that would impress a visitor from outer space would be the tremendous, inexplicable gap between potential
  and performance. It’s amazing when you consider what the human organism could do in terms of its potential, and what it
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  actually does. No species that isn’t fundamentally flawed could be so stupid this consistently. Let us consider the human
  organism as an artifact. Comparative evolution will show us what is wrong with it and how far it has to go.
  You have the first airplanes… now, take one look at that artifact and you see that everything is wrong with it. They were
  incredibly dangerous, they had a very short range, and to be anything more than a curiosity it has a very long way to go…
  So now up here’s your present planes and rockets and so forth… and all the steps in between… well now take an artifact -
  see, we can see that this artifact is in a rudimentary stage and that it has a very long way to go, we could see that back
  then. We don’t have to see all this development to know that if this is going to do anything at all it’s got to make a number
  of forward steps. Now take an artifact like the bow I’ll put it up here – what’s wrong with it? Very little. It’s gone about as far
  as you can go on the principle of a projectile propelled by an elastic spring – you can use rubber bands, it’s the same
  principle. The artifact is subject to a basic limitation: the stronger the bow, the more energy required to draw it. It can’t go
  very much further. Now of course modern bows have appeared and there are a lot of hobbyists who hunt with bows. They
  kill bears and I think even lions, and undoubtedly these bows, modern bows, are much better than anything that people
  had five hundred years ago. But they’re not all that much better. They’re not basically different or basically much better.
  Now take another artifact down here, the flintlock rifle or pistol. Take one look at that artifact and ask yourself what is
  wrong with it. Just about everything. They didn’t even have the firepower of the bow; they took much longer to load and
  prepare them. They misfired very frequently; rain and wind would render the weapon quite useless – if rain gets in the pan
  it won’t ignite. Black powder is dangerous, very much more volatile than smokeless powder. It’s very dangerous to
  transport and use, static electricity will set it off; if you shuffled across the floor and picked up a canister of black powder
  that would be a very dangerous thing to do – it’d blowup… So it has a very long way to go.
  Up here to modern automatic weapons, another factor comes in and that’s the factor of money. Money and profit
  becomes very important because as soon as an article goes into mass production they don’t want to know about a better
  article. And they particularly don’t want to know about one that is basically different, because the most expensive thing a
  manufacturer can do is to junk his dies. He’s got his dies set up to manufacture the very inefficient internal combustion
  engine, he doesn’t want to shift to a turbine. So he will suppress inventions. Very useful inventions are now suppressed…
  And we can also see living creatures as artifacts. When you take an artifact like the weasel, well what’s wrong with it?
  Well, not much. It’s limited, but in terms of its structure and goals it functions well enough; it has reached the limit of its
  development. And you look at the human artifact: what’s wrong with it? Just about everything, it’s right down here with the
  flintlock… It’s got a long way to go.
  First the question as to what distinguishes the human animal from other animals is one of the very frequent questions, and
  Korzybski, who started the idea of general semantics, the meaning of meaning, had I think the best answer: it’s language.
  But language must not be confused with communication. You see animals communicate and they talk, but they don’t
  write. They can’t make knowledge available to members of their species outside their communication range. Everything
  they learn they have to learn during their lifetime. Now a wise old rat will know a great deal about poisons and traps, but
  he can’t write a treatise which other rats could read, he can’t pass that knowledge on to rats over here or to future
  generations of rats… very fortunate… for us. Now to get back to the human artifact; one of the things that distinguishes
  man is language, that animals talk but they don’t write. They’ve got no way of writing something down so that it can be
  available through space and time. Actually, we know that some people don’t write, but the whole of human language they
  can pass on orally, which animals cannot. Language is essentially a symbolic system where something represents
  something else. You can’t draw a map, it doesn’t mean anything to an animal; you can’t get an animal to read a map, but
  illiterate, so-called illiterate people can.
  Well, let’s consider the human artifact and what is wrong with it. Consider a creature that can live on the seacoast,
  watching ships come in, day after day, year after year, and still believe the Earth is flat because the Church says so. They
  knew the Earth was round. They believed it was flat. Or an artifact that can use cannonballs for 500 years before the idea
  of a cannonball that explodes on contact blossoms in this barren soil. I could go on and on.
  So why has the human artifact stayed back with the flintlock? Well, I’m advancing a theory that we were not biologically
  designed to remain in our present stage any more than a tadpole is designed to remain a tadpole. The human is in a state
  of neotony – that’s a biologic word we’ve already heard from Dr. Lotsch used to describe an organism fixated at what
  would normally be a larval or transitional phase. Now ordinarily a salamander starts his life cycle in the water with gills;
  later the gills atrophy and drop off and the animal develops lungs and comes up to land: then they go back and spend the
  rest of their lives in the water and they have to come up to breathe. Just why they do that I don’t know.
  However, there are certain salamanders who never lose their gills and they never leave the water. Now they’d be
  considered in a state of neotony. The Xolotl salamander, found in Mexico, is an example. And scientists, moved by the
  plight of this beautiful creature gave him an injection of hormones, whereupon he shed his gills and left the water after
  ages of neotony. Whether this was any advantage to him is another question. (Laughter). It does seem advantageous if
  you’re gonna spend much of your time in the water to have gills, but evolution is a one-way street. Once you lose your
  gills you can never get them back. I think it’s a little too much to hope we could be jolted out of neotony by a single
  injection. But by whatever means the change takes place, if it does take place, the change will be irreversible. The Xolotl,
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  of course, once he sheds his gills can never reclaim them. This law of evolution… I don’t know any reason for it but it
  seems to be a law – the whales must have been on land at one time: they lost their gills and they never got them back.
  Now when we consider these evolutionary steps, one has a feeling that the creature is tricked in a way into making them.
  Now here is a fish that has survived droughts because he has developed feet or rudimentary lungs. As far as the fish is
  concerned, the feet are simply a means of getting from one water source to another or of going down into the mud and
  waiting out the drought. But once he leaves his gills behind he has made an involuntary step – I won’t say forward exactly -
  but a step. Looking for water he has found air. And perhaps a forward step for the human race will be made in the same
  way.
  The astronaut is not looking for Space, he’s looking for more Time to do exactly the same things. He’s equating Space
  with Time and the Space program is simply an attempt to transport all our insoluble problems, our impasses, and take
  them somewhere else where exactly the same thing is bound to occur. However like the walking fish, looking for more
  Time he may find space instead, and then find that there is no way back. Now such an evolutionary step would involve
  changes literally inconceivable from our present point of view.
  Many of these ideas I have incorporated into a novel on which I’m now working. I’ve had several titles for this novel, and
  the title that I have more or less decided on in the course of this conference is Place of Dead Roads – Planet Earth. I’ll
  read a few pages here…
  “As a prisoner serving a life sentence can think only of escape, so Kim (this is my hero) took it for granted that the only
  purpose of his life was Space travel. He thought of this as not so much a change of a locality but as a change of
  dimension, the basic change of a being with all its surroundings like the switch from water to land. But you see, there had
  to be the air-breathing potential first. That’s where you start. And what is it that you must alter in order to make these
  changes.
  “The first step towards Space exploration was to examine the human artifact with biologic alterations in mind that would
  render our human artifact more suitable for Space conditions and Space travel. Now we are like water creatures looking
  up from here at the earth and the air and wondering how we can survive in that alien medium. Fish didn’t have the
  capacity to do that: we do. The water we live in is Time. That alien medium we glimpse beyond Time is Space. And that is
  where we are going… Kim read all the science fiction books and stories he could find and he was stunned to find the
  assumption, the basic assumption, that there is no real change involved in Space travel, same dreary people playing out
  the same tired old roles. Take that dead act into Space. Now here they are light years from Planet Earth watching cricket
  and baseball on a vision screen…. can you imagine taking their stupid pastimes light years into Space. It’s like the fish
  said, ‘Well, I’m gonna just shove this aquarium up onto the land and there I’ve got everything I need…’ (laughter)… you
  need entirely too much.
  “Well, to begin with there is the question, of weight, the human organism weighs about 170 pounds and that is a decided
  disadvantage. But also this breathing- eating-excreting-dreaming human organism must have its entire environment, its
  awkward life process encapsulated and transported with it… into Space. And one wonders – Kim goes into his academic
  act, letting his bifocals slip down onto his nose like a professor launching into a well-worn joke – one wonders, gentlemen,
  if this crew doesn’t perhaps have a pet elephant essential to its welfare that it’s gonna take along…”
  Now, regarding this question of weight, we have a model at hand of a much lighter body, in fact a body which is virtually
  weightless and I’m referring to the astral dream body, which some scientists don’t believe in. But this model gives us a
  clue to the changes we must undergo. When I say must, I am speaking not in moral, but in biologic terms. And the dream
  also gives us insight into Space conditions. One of the more interesting facts of dream research, has established that
  dreaming is a biologic necessity. You see, they can tell now when an animal or a person is dreaming by the brainwaves,
  the REM waves, and research has established that if dream sleep is cut off every time they see sleep brainwaves they
  wake the animal up – no matter how much dreamless sleep he is allowed, irritability, restlessness, hallucinations and
  eventually coma, convulsions and death would result. He’d show all the symptoms of sleeplessness no matter how much
  sleep he was allowed… I don’t know what Freud would have made of that… Kim saw dreams as a vital link to his biologic
  and spiritual destiny in Space, and deprived of this airline he would die. The way to kill a man or a nation is to cut off their
  dreams in the way that whites took care of the Indians, they cut off their dreams, their magic, and they tended to die out.
  So I’m starting here with a basic assumption which of course many of you will, cannot accept: that our destiny – again I’m
  talking about our biologic destiny – is in Space, and that our failure to achieve this is the basic flaw in the human artifact.
  That’s why it’s back here, down here with the flintlock instead of being somewhere up here.
• Giuseppe Bagodonutti

  Aug 18, 2009 at 8:28 pm

  

  @Skinny Scott

  Gandhi, too!!!
  He was ready to lead people unto their passive and ignorant DEATH, like sacred cattle!!!
  That crazy pacifist !!!
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 8:32 pm

  

  friendly REQUEST

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  WEll TnX!

  Much Apreciated!
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 8:51 pm

  

  Don’t seem to have a lot of friends on seekingalpha logged…LOL!

  Ah! Friends what are they good for anyways?

  They only cost you precious coding time.

  Maybe I’ll move to Japan they don’t seem to like friends either.

  Japanese company does thriving trade in ‘fake friends’ http://tinyurl.com/nvmr9z

  
• Giuseppe Bagodonutti

  Aug 18, 2009 at 9:08 pm

  

  Dear Dan Valley,

  Becuz of you,
  I put on William S Burroughs’
  DEAD CITY RADIO
  I haven’t listened to it in 10 years
  (maybe 7)

  I blame you…
  bastard!!!!
  Ah Pook the Destroyer
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C5XuylNFLo
• Mr Supergeek

  Aug 18, 2009 at 9:11 pm

  

  @youri
  re: the horror…Wow!..I thought you would have seen ‘Apocalypse Now’….already!….please don’t go all capt.Kurtz on us……Oops I forgot you don’t talk to the captain you listen.
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 9:18 pm

  

  Be afraid: mathematical modelling of zombie attacks

  Scientists from University of Ottowa simulate ‘zombie’ outbreak (for real)

  http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2009/08/be_afraid_mathematical_modelli.html

  http://popularsymbolism.wordpress.com/2009/03/10/the-impact-of-zombies-on-society/
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 9:27 pm

  

  @Giuseppe Bagodonutti

  I only like fishing effectively with a net or fly fishing the least.

  The doctor is right in his diagnoses when he tells his patient “You should go fishing” Meaning staring in the water all day and catch shit! These people are truly insane and can’t be helped beside putting tnem a long side the water to not cause any harm to society.
• Sacramento Joe

  Aug 18, 2009 at 9:28 pm

  

  I support ON THE ROAD……

  Keep spreading the truth!

  Regards,

  Joe
• Giuseppe Bagodonutti

  Aug 18, 2009 at 9:34 pm

  

  @Youri

  AH POOK THE DESTROYER
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2C5XuylNFLo

  Dan Valley was right
  Obama is Pook
  We are in new times…
  a new clock by which humanity sees only its vital parts
  at best
  nothing comes from within
  for God is Dead
  God is a worm in the rotting vegetable matter that we throw into the compost
  a passive investor
  a passive consumer
  the zombie of creation’s aberration

  (If Stacy is reading this string of 50, she’s probably wondering

  WTF?!?!?!)
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 9:37 pm

  

  @Mr Supergeek

  ‘Apocalypse Now’…Are you Kid’n Me!?

  PRAY FOR YOUR FATHER

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DQ672prcUNM
• Mr Supergeek

  Aug 18, 2009 at 10:01 pm

  

  @youri
  Mornin’ Ya’All
  RE:be afraid etc…..sorry…but I am just getting taglines for film posters….but hey..youri stay calmer…and remember to try and always ‘Catch A Keepr’ otherwise the internet can just end up like fishing..ie throw the little ones back.

  ‘The doctor is right in his diagnoses when he tells his patient “You should go fishing” Meaning staring in the water all day and catch shit! These people are truly insane and can’t be helped beside putting tnem a long side the water to not cause any harm to society’
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 10:17 pm

  

  Marlon Brando Interview 1973 (Pt 1 of 6)
  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAPDQ5MlLxE
• Mr Supergeek

  Aug 18, 2009 at 10:30 pm

  

  @nutti
  Good Evenin’ Dude
  re:Stacy…WTF!!…I’m sure knowing Max as she does she is used to WTF moments by now…dunno maybe I need a break…because I haven’t had ‘WTF’ moment for a while…unless you count the nastzi sympathisers.
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 10:36 pm

  

  @Mr Supergeek

  Donnow where you exactly hinting at?

  Apocalyps Now is my favored movie in the genre. Loved Max when he begun with his very canny methaphor where in Paulson and Colenel Kurtz from the Colonel Kurtz Joseph Conrads novella Heart of Darkness was the inspiration.

  “Somebody like Colonel Kurtz from the movie Apocalyps now has to go up river and take him out” ; I am paraphrasing Max here.

  And Conrads novella Heart of Darkness was the big inspirationwhich for the making of the Apocalyps Now movie but now situated in the American Vietnam war.

  I think if you learn a little bit of how this movie all came together, in which the helicopters used in this movie where used for actuel combat in between the shoooting of the film for example.

  I think this youtube movie flick captures some of the madness making this movie http://tinyurl.com/mekjcu
• Mr Supergeek

  Aug 18, 2009 at 10:37 pm

  

  @Youri
  I am really suspicious of the YT search engine..and also that YT is replacing real…well replacing quite a lot of real things actually!…arent you?
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 10:42 pm

  

  Obama’s approval rating on healthcare was at 41%, unchanged from last month http://link.reuters.com/ned62d
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 10:47 pm

  

  @Mr Supergeek

  YT? Have to fill me in here?

  Search engines spider and bot but can be used for whatever purpose. You can use other search engines but somtimes have to do some anti hijack even on the Mac nowadays. everybody should learn the bsics of anti hijack using the right progs on some level. Even Mac users won’t escape this.
• Giuseppe Bagodonutti

  Aug 18, 2009 at 11:00 pm

  

  @youri

  RE: YT

  I think he means YouTube
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 11:09 pm

  

  @Giuseppe Bagodonutti TnX for clarifying if so.
  @Mr Supergeek

  YouTube search engine is sucks major in my opinion and they have some classifying Sys for giving suposely advice on the vids you wonna see, sucks too, to temporarely driv’n I think. YouTube Gots have to be removed immediately they stink like cowardly pigs on a hot day, unbearable.
• Mr Supergeek

  Aug 18, 2009 at 11:10 pm

  

  @youri
  wow ‘Heart Of Darkness’ who woulda thought…seriously though…youri different looking looking link, oops same YouriTube clip….re:’YT’ logic and YT search engine… I rest my case….oh yeah as for the helicopters I’ve been trying to get that sound out of my head since I got back from ‘Nam’…that is why I can’t listen to heavy rock anymore…just takes me back to the…sorry you were saying something.
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 11:19 pm

  

  Cannabis chemicals may help fight prostate cancer http://link.reuters.com/ted62d
• Mr Supergeek

  Aug 18, 2009 at 11:24 pm

  

  @youri and all y’all
  remember frederick millen…..now that man was an original thinker and a doer..he really burned brightly…except he thought I was just taking the piss out of him….now if he said he’d seen things you wouldn’t believe, I woulda believed him….BTW I hate ‘bladerunner’ more than the matrix….gggrrrrhhh.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTzA_xesrL8
• Joe

  Aug 18, 2009 at 11:25 pm

  

  I’ve been patiently waiting for this to go online. Thanks for all the effort, and I wish you great luck.

  Money grows on the tree of persistence

  ~ Japanese proverb
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 11:31 pm

  

  Hurricane season better late than never for insurers 18 Aug 2009 http://tinyurl.com/oq5wwc
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 11:44 pm

  

  Season’s first named Atlantic storm may be forming http://tinyurl.com/qgonnj
• dan valley

  Aug 18, 2009 at 11:47 pm

  

  Interesting view point.

  Obviously it’s France’s fault for helping during the American revolution; allowing America to gain independence from England.

  Remember: Blame France for letting that young, poor, kid run away from home only to grow up on the streets a hooligan.

  Take responsibility, Europe!
• Youri carma

  Aug 18, 2009 at 11:52 pm

  

  @Mr Supergeek

  Yep, Rutger got this line from me. Thats when I bumped into Reeves cause he didn’t recognize me, tak’n the wrong pill that day I quess. Shortly after I saw Bob walk’n and I said “He Bob! He said ” you won’t believe what happened to me today” and I said” You know Bob, I don’t even wonna know!” and he went on with his walk’n.
• Mr Supergeek

  Aug 19, 2009 at 12:03 am

  

  @youri
  be afraid…the fly….you forgot that one….please take no notice of this comment….I’m just trying to figure out why my last two comments disap
• Youri carma

  Aug 19, 2009 at 12:11 am

  

  WTF! Tobacco might produce vaccine for stomach virus http://link.reuters.com/saf62d

  Happy like Washington and never having any stomic problems except with Orange must have some reason? And no prostate cancer
• dan valley

  Aug 19, 2009 at 1:12 am

  

  Dear Giuseppe Bagodonutti ………..

  Your welcome,and yes Obama is most certainly Pook as was Bush.