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@Phil:
In reference to your ideas about withdrawing from the system, we also must stop the momentum in Congress to exert totalitarian controls over farming rights, seeds, water rights, and marketing of food…oh and the crap and trade farting legislation for livestock…
Seems Daschle has been resurrected from tax timeout.:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/23/health/policy/23daschle.html?_r=1&hp
This is actually a sentence in the article:
“Friends and associates of Mr. Daschle say the interests of Alston & Bird’s clients have no influence on his views”
Daschle helped write the legisltation:
Speaking at a hospital industry conference last week, for example, he accepted billing as “the architect of President Obama’s health care plan.”
Here are Daschle’s views on healthcare reform:
http://blogs.wsj.com/health/2008/11/20/tom-daschles-blueprint-for-health-reform/
Bloomberg on Daschle from February:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601039&sid=aLzfDxfbwhzs
@Snoot
How would a convertible yuan affect the value of China’s dollar reserves in correlation to yuan value?
> Strange question. Did you have enough coffee?
The IMF selling bonds will torpedo the US treasury market, won’t it? Will China dump their reserves?
> The US treasury market is dead. IMF is a US proxy. Basically you are suggesting the loss of the US is due to a fight with the IMF, which is a good way to distract the attention form what is really happening. According to some (Jim Willy) China is selling bonds. They are replacing US bonds and creating a backbone to hedge funds and other big funds with collateral.
I stand by the idea that the expression of climate scepticism / denial is the easiest way to identify a blind parrot/shill.
@MotherEarth:
Er, no coffee…sorry, I wouldn’t ask if I wasn’t ignorant. (I drink yerba mate tea, it’s quite stimulating, but not Dutch coffee) Isn’t the value of the yuan tied to the value of the dollar for trade purposes? Please deign to accept my humble prostration of poorly chosen words. Like, wuz up with the convertiblity issue and the dollar reserves?
No, I wasn’t suggesting the IMF and the US are duking it out: the president and the Congress are fully behind IMF funding. I was suggesting that the president and Congress don’t care much about US sovereignty. (the ones in power positions are global citizens) I read that China was trading US bonds for African assets…
I lost faith in Jim Willy last winter when he proclaimed that a gold-backed reserve currency was coming out of Germany. He is often out there…faroutthere…and claims ‘insider’ information that doesn’t pan out.
..basically we American commoners will be left in the lurch to wave flags and sing songs and enhance your pineappalus sphincteritus whilst our fearsome leaders sell us for a cushy life of service to their global constituents.
“I stand by the idea that the expression of climate scepticism / denial is the easiest way to identify a blind parrot/shill.”
I would second the motion for the climate change deniers, but not for skeptics. All skeptics should be moved to the front of the class.
@Snoot
Still, if you float the Yuan, it still doesn’t say much about the value of the dollar reserves. Either you buy in dollars and you get less and less for your dollar, or you try to convert to Yuan and you pay more and more for it. Chinese dollar reserves are bargaining force on US territory. Who could exchange those for Yuan?
French farmers protest “the massive importation of foreign products” [small protest...]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6_P7dOYTWM&feature=sub
@frances snoot
After that crap you posted about Alex Jones, your followup is about climate change? Expletive you! It’s all a scam designed to tax the air we breathe ultimately.
@Adrian:
The tree of liberty was watered more by the words of skeptics than the blood of tyrants.
Expletive me! http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=expletive
I assume you are referring to the censorship nuance to the word.
Testing………
Just tried 3 times to post – not working.
OK that worked so why isn’t my post coming up?
Does anyone know about levels of homelessness in the UK? We’ve seen the tent-cities in the US but what’s happening in the UK?
It’s horrible to think of all these people facing crises in their lives. I don’t know what’s worse – actually being homeless and dealing with that reality or trying to stay afloat but money is inevitably running out.
What’s more than a little annoying is when highly intelligent folk, who know what’s going on, complain that they’re not doing anything. Ok, I’ve heard some ideas like demonstrate at the Capitol but other than that not very much.
There have been ‘tea-parties’ but they seem to be about tax and auditing the fed. How do people equate that with not being able to pay mortgages? Now we have demonstrations supposedly about ‘health-care’ though I’m not so sure they are – that seems to be a way of creating a left-right ding-dong and the banks avoiding the wrap for the bail-outs.
We need to focus all the attention on the banks. They’ll wriggle and squirm but we have to go straight at them. If there’s another bail-out that’ll surely happen.
That’s why I suggested an amnesty or a truth and reconciliation process. Why not give the bankers 2 weeks to come forward and confess to fraud. They will avoid imprisonment if they give up information. That information will help clean the system and will get us closer to the fraudsters at the top. This will put Goldman and JP Morgan and the rest into panic mode and there’ll be infighting and mistrust as they seek to put each other in the frame. Indeed, this TARP investigation makes Barofsky look like Eliot Ness.
If we attack the banks head on then we stand a chance, no? I mean deliberate credit card default and mortgage default. If people do this at the same time the banks will crash which is what we need them to do. Their political front-men will desert the sinking ship, the debt can be repudiated and the printing machine can be brought under control. international creditors can be reassured that the US’s word is its bond…
I’m not sure a general strike is going to work until people really know who the target is. Keeping in mind that the banks are in control of the government we need to sew division within their ranks so that they turn on each other in fear and fear involking martial law.
We need to wage a financial war against them first and get them to rat on each other. When they see their buddies getting taken into custody they’ll pee themselves with fear.
Who is going to stand up and tell the people to stop giving the banks money? I think this is the big taboo subject.
@Sharon
Chemtrails?
@Max
Is it normal for films to be produced on budget and with the money in an account up front?
Also do you put limitations on the genre, the rating of the films pmf finances?
@Mother
No, it was to do with an ancient map that has been found and (I know you won’t like this) apparantly it questions the whole climate change thing. As you know I’m undecided, although Phil’s explanation made sense, ie. it is more to do with the fact that there won’t be enough oxygen due to CO2 absorbing entities having been destroyed. Anyway, I just though it was interesting.
Now I’ve just posted the above successfully but when I tried to add in what I had been unable to post previously it didn’t let me so I removed that part and lo and behold it worked.
@Stacy……..any idea why I can’t post certain info?
Ancient Map Disproves Warming up of the globe.
http://climaterealists.com/index.php…1&linkbox=true
A recently discovered and publicized ancient map of the globe disproves the theory of man-made warming. The enormous significance of the map has only now become apparent as Congress considers sweeping legislation intended to combat global warming supposedly caused by human activity.
The map was discovered in the Library of Congress, Washington DC, in 1960 by Charles Hapgood. It was drawn by well-known French cartographer, Oronteus Finaeus, in 1531. There is no serious question about the authenticity of the map. Finaeus was a well-known scholar and was an expert in cartography, astronomy, mathematics and military weaponry. The map is based on numerous source maps, some of them going back to the time of Alexander the Great (335 BC).
One section of the map pictures the globe from the perspective of the South Pole. Antarctica is clearly shown on this map and is pictured as being largely ice-free with flowing rivers and a clean coastline. Some of the mountain ranges pictured on the map have only been recently discovered. Photographs of the map can be found on numerous websites; one such photograph appears above.
@Sharon,..I think Stacy said she was bored with that whole debate,…
@Dedo………….fair enough!
@Dedo………so what’s the weather like where you are?
Lots of streaky clouds,…hmm
Days Away From Economic Chaos?
America is just a few days away from a possible day of reckoning. I again call attention to this day, August 25, when the Federal Deposit Insurance Corporation issues its 2nd Quarter report for 2009 on the state of health of American banks.
more . . .
http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi116.html
@Dedo…………are they the long thin ones that kind of fluff out, ie. they start out looking like a contrail but then unlike a contrail they do not disappear in 30 seconds but rather remain and spread out?
apparently I’m in the minority that has eyes to see (either that or I’m a freakin’ nut job) : )
Got to go,….!!
Oh, you’re definitely a nutjob! (Ha Ha)
Salbuchi – We Will NOT Bow to the One-World Elite.
793 of the worlds richest have more than 3 billion of the worlds poorest.
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfj6ilYAFQ0
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kJz0xW_ZzFQ
@sharon
Hm.. Stacy is right you know, the has a mind like a lean battleship with lots of radar and a Paris chef..She could unwind your mind simply with words..By the way your cookie can get to large, then you can’t post..
Read the American Monetary Act.
How are things going at the Democratic Party National Convention in Denver this week?
Are they talking about the fact that the Western world is run by an international financial elite headquartered in London, the financial capitals of mainland Europe (such as Frankfurt, Hamburg, Amsterdam, Paris, and Milan), and, of course, New York City?
Are they mentioning at their cocktail parties that the financial elite exert control over the world’s population through the cartels that make up the world’s producing economies and through the civilian and military bureaucracies who work for the governments that kow-tow to them?
Of course they know that the most important cartels are those which control energy resources. And that of these, the commodity of central importance is oil. But is any of this helping them draw conclusions regarding the doubling of oil prices during the last year or about the largest oil company profits in history?
more…
http://whtt.org/index.php?news=2&id=2503
Re: The healthcare issue. Joe Bageant’s take:-
“……..There ain’t any healthcare debate going on, Bubba. What is going on are mob negotiations about insurance, and which mob gets the biggest chunk of the dough, be it our taxpayer dough or the geet that isn’t in ole Jim’s impoverished purse. The hoo-ha is about the insurance racket, not the delivery of healthcare to human beings. It’s simply another form of extorting the people regarding a fundamental need — health.
Unfortunately, the people have been mesmerized by our theater state’s purposefully distracting and dramatic media productions for so long they’ve been mutated toward helplessness. Consequently, they are incapable of asking themselves a simple question: If insurance corporation profits are one third of the cost of healthcare, and all insurance corporations do is deliver our money to healthcare providers for us (or actually, do everything in their power to keep the money for themselves), why do we need insurance companies at all? Answer: Because Wall Street gets a big piece of the action. And nobody messes with the Wall Street Mob (as the bailout extortion money proved). Better (and worse) presidents have tried………”
http://www.joebageant.com/joe/2009/08/the-entertainment-value-of-snuffing-grandma.html
Catching up.
@ Sharon
>Remember, Castro started out with 82 men.
Remember, Castro is a Sovereign Knight of Malta. His allegiance is to the global elite.
Castro is a well known surname of former slave traders from that region.
Notice how Fidel went to jail where he got to read lots and lots of books on revolution, avoid torture/death that befell many of his comrades, and emerge with his baby fat still in place, able to heave out the wicked exploiters. What a military genius! Note how the seeing-eye-A couldn’t quite manage to assassinate him, despite all the attempts. All the US has been able to do is chill its heels from inside Cuba, at Guantanamo Bay, helpless to do anything other than intern would-be escapees paddling to Florida. Darn!. Do you think there was a hidden hand helping Castro? Do you think Castro’s “communist” Cuba has been slightly convenient for the bigger picture, like North Korea is vis a vis Japan? You know, that external threat on the doorstep, that governments like to use to justify their existence?
if power is control and love itself is uncontrollable does that mean love can never manifest true power in any form other than one which is so nebulous & random that it’s consequences must ultimately be negligible in terms of any potential, consciously directed effect(s)?
@sharon … “Salbuchi”
Speaks a lot of truth.
@sharon …. Salbuchi
What he is saying about repudiating the illegal debt thrust upon them applies very nicely to Iceland as well.
obama gets hammered in todays rasmussen poll (-14) approval
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/obama_approval_index_history
@Phil,
Yes, and as soon as people begin listening to him and Max we might get some where. What he proposes makes sense but it requires the actions of many people – I think we’ll get there.
@Anything but green…………..I’m not buying it. The problem is that if you look hard enough you can see a conspiracy in just about everything. Would you also say that Che Guivara was an agent of the ptb? Or Armadinjhad? Or Chavez? Coz I’ve heard people put forward arguments that all are agents of the ptb. In which case it would seem that the ptb have no enemies – should be a world gov in place already if that is the case.
@disorient……….Love is very powerful actually. The reason being that when we have emotions derived from love our DNA is on full alert, we experience life at a higher frequency which basically means that our antennae is in full working order and able to pick up on what’s going on around us – it means that we become conscious and awake. Why do you think we live in a world where the media is always pushing fear? Remember the ptb own 90% of the media (and all of the msm) and they know that if we are in a state of fear we can’t think clearly. There’s alot of evidence regarding this.
@Phil………..What he is saying about repudiating the illegal debt thrust upon them applies very nicely to Iceland as well.
That’s right and pretty much everywhere else I would think, assuming that for any debt to be valid full disclosure is required.
I remember my obamanoid girlfriend telling me that there wasn’t realistically going to be enough money for universal healthcare. I was really annoyed with her. i told her that the US could afford one if all the other rich countries could – it’s just that the well-off don’t want one. The election was soon to be over and the Obama camp were trying to control expectations I told her – there never was going to be health-care reform. It didn’t matter to her cause Obama was in and even more importantly Bush was out.
Now the bail-outs, according to Berofsky, have rocketed to $23.7 trillion under Obama. That’s enough for between 20 and 30 health-care systems. After damping down expectations about legislating for a health-care system a proposal suddenly appears as if it was there all along and implementation is urgent.
What changed?
The bail-outs couldn’t plug the holes, that’s what. Now they need the insurance money. And It has to be centralised so they can swipe the lot.
So, we’ve gone full circle – the Obamanoid girlfriend is getting the health-care system, that she’s now forgotten wasn’t going to happen, and I don’t think the US can afford one anymore.
Ooooh, theat bwasted wabbit hole.
If the true value of any “nation” is determined by the production of the people (capital), and fiat
currency is determined by the usurpation from the value of production (from the people).
When the currency collapses, isn’t that just an overinflated abstract ideology.
Isn’t it because most folk buy into the system and debate it,…is why it will always work, or not work. ?