Stacy Summary: The article I posted earlier in the comments from Newsmax has now been removed from their site. [MediaMatters has it here, thanks @Youri]
The article was written by John L. Perry, who served on the White House staffs of LBJ and Carter. Perry called for a ‘bloodless’ coup in the US. It would be ‘non-violent’ he said because the US is not a banana republic. And he claims to have inside knowledge that this is what certain military people are presently thinking.
Military intervention is what Obama’s exponentially accelerating agenda for “fundamental change” toward a Marxist state is inviting upon America. A coup is not an ideal option, but Obama’s radical ideal is not acceptable or reversible.
Of course, the reality is that Obama has not actually changed much policy from what Bush had introduced, including a doubling of the deficit, handing trillions to bankers with zero regulation and promise, in fact, of further ‘de-regulation’, an expansion of military adventures and of the police state, etc. The only issue that is slightly different is how they market their hand outs to health insurance companies guised as health care ‘reform.’ Obama has his $1 trillion over ten years for mandatory insurance, Bush had his ‘Medicare’ reform with a price tag at least twice that.
So, if Obama is so like Bush, then why the hysteria now?
I think the increasing number of shrill and panicked charges and wild conspiracies about an ‘illegitimate’ president and now (deleted) op-eds for coup is looking more and more like a page out of the neo-con / Military Industrial Complex handbook. It’s exactly the process they use against other third world leaders (and let’s face it, the US is now fast on the way to becoming one ). I often hear shrieks of Obama being surrounded by ‘radical leftists’ and ‘Marxists’ – the very same propaganda codewords used by the military industrial complex when paving the way for popular support in overthrowing Latin American leaders (think Aristide or Zelaya). Clearly, much of the US population is almost Manchurian in responding to such codewords.
And to the shouters in the town hall ‘radical leftist’ probably means one thing, but, in truth, Obama is surrounded by Goldman Sachs bankers. While Goldman is demonstrably for redistribution of wealth, I hardly think their kind of redistribution qualifies as ‘leftist.’ So while shouters and screechers don’t need evidence just codewords, I have to ask what are the powerful people behind the scenes really thinking? Of course, the MIC gets only about $1 trillion per year, but was always the favoured industry . . . up until Clinton paved the way for a Goldman take over. Maybe the MIC doesn’t like them getting $1.5 trillion? Who knows? But I’m sure it has a lot to do with the conversation about to take place tomorrow with Iran. A few extreme shrills want war and know that time and conversation will allow for evidence and reason to trump emotion and hysteria.
The shouters and screechers would probably welcome a coup (just as in Honduras where a large percentage of the population is for the Micheletti coup) and perhaps think the military will be on the side of their 50% and will only bash and incarcerate the other 50% of the population.
This is what happens when you no longer have a republic, but only a mere democracy.
They can make the population support anything. Anything.
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I think the confusion is understandable, and I don’t think the US is on the verge of a banana republic.
A great humbling, sure…
But the structure and work habits are still here.
Both the MIC and Wall Street are getting their underbellies displayed.
That’s a good thing.
Nobody has been assassinated holding flashlights so far. That’s a good thing too…
Even Max, in his confusion, has fallen off the precipice of reason, at times. Getting rid of the 1st Amendment? Centralizing health care in Washington?
These are confusing times…
I read that article earlier but shrugged it off. The idea of the American military coming to the peoples’ rescue is laughable; but please American military, prove me wrong. I never heard of Newsmax anyway, are they a credible source?
I maintain whats happening in America as the setting up of the fascist corporate state, or do we have it already? Maybe swap the word gulag for state. Did Mussolini actually improve the lives of Italians??
these are mis-characterizations of my positions
“Even Max, in his confusion, has fallen off the precipice of reason, at times. Getting rid of the 1st Amendment? Centralizing health care in Washington?”
re: health care. those who argue that the private insurance companies are ‘better’ than any other solution are brain dead and their plugs should be pulled.
obviously, if the point is the best health care for the best price – you want wholesale pricing not boutique pricing any only an organization as large as the Federal gov’t can negotiate pricing.
But I never said this US Fed. gov’t is up to the task, as this US fed. gov’t is indistinguishable from the corporations it serves.
first, reinstitute a representational gov’t in place of the one in the WH now. This is the bigger, more pressing issue.. Health care is NEVER going to happen with oligarchs in charge.
re: 1st Amendment – is this a reference to Michael Savage and the UK banning?
Michael Savage is propaganda and progaganda is outlawed in the US. I would love to debate MS on any one of my shows but I know he would never consent as I would reduce him to a puddle of tears in about five minutes. Let my comments re: MS stand as a challenge to MS. Have him explain to me why he is not spewing propaganda. I guarantee you he will agree with me by the end of the conversation.
@Stacy… I guess it was taken down due to worries about being prosecuted for possibly inciting a coup ?
Which leads to my next questions :
Considering the insults and accusations Max throws around, I always wonder how far he’s allowed to go , or has he already gone too far.
Does he have a US passport and does he travel to the US at all ? .. and does he even worry about what he says ?
PS:
My guess is he wants a confrontation – and would expect either to win based on telling the truth; or to NOT be confronted for “their” fear of having to “officially” discuss the things he has said !
@Phil – have you ever watched television in the states? Max is tame compared to what you see there!
@Max .. Hi Max , didn’t know you were there !
Would you be so kind as to throw some light on my questions ?
@Stacy .. Thx … what a relief !
PS: Yes – I did watch TV in the states a few times …. but got fed up trying to find a channel that wasn’t preaching religion !
Meanwhile, back in Ireland…
Thousands march over cuts in Dublin
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2009/0930/breaking63.htm
He is surrounded by “the radical left” but it is as a means to power. Using the new communist marxist ideas for an elite class to control. These “radical left” are corrupt actors selling a utopia. An illusion, all to gain power and extort wealth from the public. This is what is missed, confusing the historical concept of “radical left” ideology with mere actors.
Obama sphere of infuence.
http://bit.ly/N7JJR
As for a military coup, This had crossed my mind, if the US constitution is further trashed, it is a real possibility. I expect Obama to move closer to the political center before that happens. The population is realizing that the gov does not listen to or represent them, they don’t really understand why but they know something is corrupt.
I’m deep cover.
@Max
“I’m deep cover”
It is obvious
I am too
WL
we may need to use the cone of silence…
Vidal’s an idiot for thinking that Hillary would be better than Obama. Her ego is just as bad as Bush 2 and McCain’s. What he should have mentioned was the fact of other parties being censored in the “electoral process”.
Being the person of color that he is, Obama can never react to all the racist rubbish that’s put out by the neocons. If he does, he becomes “The Uppity (fill in the blank)”. How many people of color are in the Power Elite in the States? How many are regularly seen on the MSM? 99% of them are neocons. Why? Because the networks know that they won’t cause trouble. These people know if they do tell the truth, they’ll be banned forever. Which means they settle for the nice big checks instead of doing the right thing.
Check out any Obama clip on You Tube. Look at the comment sections. I defy you to find one that isn’t racist. Does You Tube enforce their “strict” policies re: content? No. Same thing with the Huffington Post. If they DID, they’d lose lots of ad revenue.
Why? Because aside from sex, racism is a goldmine in the States. The board of directors of these corporations that own the MSM could care less about actual intelligent debate. Do you really think that Olbermann is the World’s Greatest Liberal Newsguy (who’s going to save us from the scary racist neocons)? Of course not. The ONLY reason he’s allowed to have his “Special Comments” is to exploit something for ratings. If he did take a stand and told the truth, he’d be waiting tables in NYC again.
Why won’t everyone who says they’re against all of this facist takeover fight back? Because they’re ill-informed. They’re terrified. And the Power Elite will exploit the hell out of this for profit.
Stacy, you moved to France but you seem completely unfamiliar with that country’s best export of the 20th Century, the writings of Guy Debord.
That’s too bad. Debord was a Marxist himself, he defended the core philosophy while vociferously condemning the Leninists at every turn. A true genius.
Anyone who visits South America and has a modicum of intelligence can see that these Marxist-Leninist workers paradises are much, much worse than the US/Western Europe.
You talk about how blinkered the US public is, but in fact you seem to be the one who believes “anything” when it comes to Marxism-denial.
@Max
Any insight on Triffins dilemma or Paradox
http://www.myganns.com/2009/04/of-triffins-dilemma-and-chinas-ambition.html
I must tell ye.
Everyone knows the terrible story about Diego Garcia right?
I was a watching a movie the other night, Transformers 2, just to switch my mind off for a minute from all the important stuff, and lo and behold theres the American military on Diego Garcia, gung-ho and and that stuff. I nearly gagged ‘cos I’ve read alot about the Diego Garcians and them dying of what they call ‘the saddness’.
The point is, it was just put out there, on a huge Hollywood film, no shame, no embarassment and utter contempt for the public.
Whenever has it been a bad thing that an imperial empire has collapsed?
I wish Obama was less Gordon Brown and more James Brown.
If Michael Savage cried a puddle of tears it would turn the snow yellow.
The 25 names on the “Roster of Revenge,” in case you’re wondering, are:
Glenn Beck, Larry Sinclair, Joe Wilson, Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, Orly Taitz, Pat Boone, Jon Voight, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Rupert Murdoch, Jesse Jackson, Dick Cheney, Bill O’Reilly, Toby Keith, Rex Rammell, Hank Williams Jr., Steven Anderson, Saul Anuzis, Bill Cunningham, Paul Krugman, John Rich, Wiley Drake, Alex Jones and Michelle Malkin.
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Newsmax Columnist: Military Coup May Be Needed ‘To Resolve The Obama Problem’ (Full Text) http://tinyurl.com/ybn7h32
interesting Gore Vidals comments about americans ‘ not having ‘thoughts’ but only ‘ emotional responses ‘ he blames this upon the ‘culture’ of advertising . i guess in a ‘culture ‘ like that a child like response is all that can be expected ? take out the sex and violence ,profane language etc from a movie ,music etc and all you’re left with is something fit for children ? i have heard it said that to survive in america you have to be a salesman , constantly sell what you have to say in the course of a conversation during your daily life etc , i guess that is why i have never liked americans or liked america , americans to me are nothing but door to door salesman , [max and stacy are my favourite door to door salesman ], they could sell me anything. and i wouldn’t even know it. p.s. not too sure i wanted to know all about gore vidals sex life ,still i suppose people feel obliged to tell you about these kind of things whether you want to know or not . a confessional style of writing is something americans seem to excel at .
The 25 names on the “Roster of Revenge,” in case you’re wondering, are:
Glenn Beck, Larry Sinclair, Joe Wilson, Sarah Palin, Sean Hannity, Orly Taitz, Pat Boone, Jon Voight, Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter, Rupert Murdoch, Jesse Jackson, Dick Cheney, Bill O’Reilly, Toby Keith, Rex Rammell, Hank Williams Jr., Steven Anderson, Saul Anuzis, Bill Cunningham, Paul Krugman, John Rich, Wiley Drake, Alex Jones and Michelle Malkin.
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They’re too late. The coup already happened in 1963 when David Ben-Gurion, working with the CIA, hired a hit team out of Marseilles to take out JFK. Three reasons: he was going to take Israel’s nuke capability away, he was going to abolish the FED, and finally, demolish the CIA.
One needs to understand the structure of central banking first: the CIA is an ARM of the central banking system. Look at the CIA’s history of directors and deputy directors: they are almost to a man Wall Street BANKERS. What the hell do Bankers know about “INTEL” and spy satellites and turning informants? That’s a good question. The answer is, of course, Nothing. Not a goddamn thing.
So what ARE bankers that run the CIA GOOD at? Money Laundering. Specifically illegal arms money and illegal drug money. That’s a $1,000,000,000,000.00 (trillion) a year business that is directly laundered through Wall Street banks and without which the US economy would Melt.
Ever notice that wherever the US goes to war, or plants itself with a compliant vassal state, that drugs and weapons soon follow? Colombia, Vietnam, Afghanistan….
The US is a WAR economy and has been so since the eve of December 23, 1913 when an nearly empty congress rammed this legislation through. That was Day One of the coup.
Newsmax Columnist: Military Coup May Be Needed ‘To Resolve The Obama Problem’ (Full Text) http://tinyurl.com/ybn7h32
The notion that rogue elements inside the US military will ride to the rescue of the downtrodden doughnut munchers of the United States is the kind of co-opting tactics used many times before and helps stop people taking control of their own destiny.
“The emancipation of the couch potatoes will only be realised by the couch potatoes themselves…” to mis-quote a fashionable – but slightly mis-represented socio-economic and philosophical figure.
“obviously, if the point is the best health care for the best price – you want wholesale pricing not boutique pricing any only an organization as large as the Federal gov’t can negotiate pricing. ”
Ummm… see… you are doing it again. “Only an organization as large as…”
Bullshit. If that were true, only the EU governmental body could bring true health care price controls to Europe. Only a world governing body could bring true health savings to the population of the world…
There are rational and sane smaller systems that have proven effective. Canada, though large in land mass, is a population the size of Orange County.
You’ve been promoting the US gov. (read that “the state”) as the obvious choice for health care command and control. You could make your argument (that private insurance is a fucked up profiteering ring) and provide for better soultions if you thought your way through what you’ve been saying.
You’ve never produced the law that says “propaganda is illegal”.
IF there is such a federal law, WHO IS GRANTED the responsibilty of deciding just what IS AND ISN’T propaganda?
Name the agency or the individual and the criteria they would use…
Like I said, confusing times… full of confusion…
Stacy, you moved to France but you seem completely unfamiliar with that country’s best export of the 20th Century, the writings of Guy Debord.
That’s too bad. Debord was a Marxist himself, he defended the core philosophy while vociferously condemning the Leninists at every turn. He essentially focused on reality, not preposterous nonsense like your idea that Marxist is a codeword.
Anyone who visits South America and has a modicum of intelligence can see that these Marxist-Leninist workers paradises are much, much worse than the US/Western Europe.
You talk about how blinkered the US public is, but in fact you seem to be the one who believes “anything” when it comes to Marxism-denial.
IMF warns of further recession risks http://tinyurl.com/yesqpld
@Ilya Kuryakin .. agree .
I didn’t realize that Michael Ruppert posted here !
Gore Vidal: ‘We’ll have a dictatorship soon in the US’ http://tinyurl.com/yh2en7w
@Ilya Kuryakin: got `proof` for the Ben-Gurion link?
The American middle class will cease to exist a mere 3 days after an Israeli attack on Iran. The bottom 90 percent of the US populace can not deal with gas prices in the $10.00 to 12.00 range.
American’s are facing the following problems.
The FDIC is broke
Social Security running deficit
Debt levels over 375 percent of GDP
Fannie is broke
Freddie is broke
Implicit Guarantee of Fannie and Freddie
Tax receipts cliff diving
7 million foreclosures in the pipeline
16-23 Million Homeowners with negative equity
BLS Birth Death Model Fraud
Zero Job Growth in 10 years
Now add a War on Iran to this mix and you have an economic, societal, and spiritual disaster!
Unemployment Exhaust Rate over 50 percent
Boomers past peak earning years
@WL: the obama cobweb shows its roots: why is everything marxist that they see? why is that seen as bad? why is socialism seen as the same? why is the debt socialised, then?
a more nuanced analysis should follow.
When you see that trading is done, not by consent, but by compulsion — when you see that in order to produce, you need to obtain permission from men who produce nothing — when you see money flowing to those who deal, not in goods, but in favors — when you see that men get richer by graft and pull than by work, and your laws don’t protect you against them, but protect them against you — when you see corruption being rewarded and honesty becoming a self-sacrifice — you may know that your society is doomed.
Ayn Rand Atlas Shrugged, page 413
I would think the relationship between MIC and the bankers to be one of mutual benefit. MIC needs the bankers to shuffle all the debt they create. The bankers need MIC to create more debt to shuffle.
I wouldn’t put it past the bankers to make a profit out of anything that happens in the world. Their ears are always early on the wires.
Remember that ‘scare’ where in, what was it one hour, $500 billion left the states?
Nice gfx:
http://www.ritholtz.com/blog/2009/09/spending-is-relative/
Mortgage demand falls despite lower rates http://tinyurl.com/yefp95r
@larry I am an American… I think you are spot on. I am a Christian … I understand why atheism looks appealing to many when they watch the ….. religious programs….
@Harry – “got `proof` for the Ben-Gurion link?”
How much proof do you require? Take your pick:
http://www.google.ca/search?q=ben-gurion+jfk+assassination&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
Bullshit. If that were true, only the EU governmental body could bring true health care price controls to Europe. Only a world governing body could bring true health savings to the population of the world…
There are rational and sane smaller systems that have proven effective. Canada, though large in land mass, is a population the size of Orange County.
Amazing how deep the brain washing is. Only private organizations can solve this. Right …..
Hopefully you are joking about both of the above statements.
Canada’s population is about the same size as California’s 33-34 million.
Don’t shrug off a coup that easily – if the Liberty League hadn’t picked the wrong general in 1934 to lead a military coup againt FDR, they probably would have succeeded.
Instead, Butler reported them to Congress, who held hearing then immediately buried it “because the country couldn’t handle it.” (Sound familiar?)
And why they chose Smedley Butler instead of MacArthur, Patton, or Eisenhower is still a mystery.
@Harry
Agreed, more analysis needed, radical left or radical right, simply a means for the elite oligarchs to control, maintain and profit from a global economic class structure. It is like a competing mafia capos fighting to rise in the ranks to ultimate power. In the Obama chart, the key is the Old European Oligarchs behind Soros. I believe that the Bush/Cheney cabal was resisting the move to the IMF/BIS global bank model and was taken down. 2004 didn’t work so they had 2008, putting Obama in place to carry out their goals. The real interesting part is how China plays into this and if there are any agreements with China?
If the Obama connections are treated as a means of control rather than an ideology then the banking/Marxist connections can be made.
@IIIya Kuryakin , a good choice of name . of course the real ‘IIIya Kuryakin’ ,David McCallum is very right wing with his favorite listed charity being ‘United States Marine Corps’ etc but he is also a fully Classically trained musician , that didn’t stop him from putting out some really great music with none other than David Axelrod in the 1960′s ,music that is still ahead of it s time and under appreciated has been sampled to death by hip hoppers who appreciate his music more than the rest of us. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pG_3jZxzlo
It is such a mess in the US you would never know who concockted a coup, the neocons to start a war with iran, the libertarians to regain constitutional rule, the pentagon to complete their stealthy takeover, the banking system to secure their assets, some foreign entity (china) to do the same or some rogue colonel that never saw US strategic interest in such unnecesary dire straits…Good luck. The US sold it’s soul to the media, and may find out the hard way bread and games is only to entertain the populus in times of peace…
They’re too late. The coup already happened in 1963 when David Ben-Gurion, working with the CIA, hired a hit team out of Marseilles to take out JFK.
ding! ding! ding! ding! ding!
We have a winner. Report to the nearest Federal Detention Center to collect your prize.
@Ilya Kuryakin
CIA’s connections to Nazis http://tinyurl.com/y8p6mq8
The CIA and Nazi War Criminals http://tinyurl.com/oas2lf
omeone explain this to me… http://www.zerohedge.com/article/equities-back-tracking-zombie-dollar-tick-tick
@ItalicBold: http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2008/09/12/13.09.08.Public.spending.pdf
@larry
yeah…don’t mention sapphire and steel cos…nevermind…oh and as a big david axelrod fan…maybe you should point out it isn’t the advisor to obama or some people might be really confused!!!
david axelrod – holy thursday
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ixPVNWNt53s
“As of 2005, the official estimate of the population of the Los Angeles metropolitan area is more than 12.9 million, while the larger five-county region has a population of over 17.6 million. ”
CORRECTION- What I meant was the LA area. Not coming from there, I misspoke about the county…
The point being, Canada has a health care system that is NOT LARGE. Large is unnecessary.
As for “private health care” yaddy yaddy and brainwashing…
I never said a word about”private” anything.
You’d have to be brainwashed to make that leap.
I am strictly talking about scale and the fallacious arguments constantly made that assumes the only place for health care management is at the federal level, where bombing brown-skinned people seems to be a sport of sorts…
@klaos@ill yah
pants! what about Kennedy…october 24 1962? just coz he managed to piss off the CIA don’t mean shit in the grand scheme of things…it’s just infighting!!!
Radical Left vs Radical Right ?????????
Is this clown town??
When I see tea baggers treated like G20 protesters then I might think about it.
Face it, the radical right controls the whole show the Democrats and Fascists (Conservatives/Republicans). You will not see the banks/pharam/military/prison complex defunded relative to union/social/education/household sectors. Will not happen.
The radical left effectively does not exist.
State to mom: Stop baby-sitting neighbors’ kids http://tinyurl.com/ygh5djp
Dear Deep Cover…..Private only exists in an Un-incorporated Condition…..we are completely incorporated….that’s what the Constitution; the Civil War & especially the 14th Amendment are ALL about. Private=free to do;free not to do.
Our language is totally corrupt; as intended. Seeing, Thinking clearly is impossible when language lacks all lucidity….that was Orwell’s main thrust. The same can be said for History; the past becomes murky and thus dis-orienting.
I don’t understand the fuss about the coups….it was a daily event in Greece & Rome….a black swan dive back into the Terror of History. Both Rome & Greece spent nearly all their time fighting themselves….remember, all wars are civil…..rivals, not opponents.
Scott from Oregon
Okay fine. I get your first point about population size, there are successful models of much larger systems where the national system is much more successful than the American system.
Can you point to a model where your model works?
I would like to look into it.
Thanks.
50% Of Rescued Mortgages Have Re-Defaulted http://tinyurl.com/yd8jk3x
Sinclair Lewis wrote “It Can’t Happen Here” in 1935…..nothin’ new here…just move along.
Maybe there is Original Sin after all??
Gordo–
Easy. Europe.
There is no EU health care system. There are, however, many systems in Europe, all with various success and failure characteristics…
“National” anything equates to top down control and a lack of both input and effective lobbying at the local level.
In other words, citizens are made LESS empowered to control their communities and the federal government is granted MORE power which it has demonstrated over and over that it WILL ABUSE…
A few days ago, I posted a link here to a video about Chavez and the 2002 coup attempt. It showed how the private media and the oligarchs attacked him, lied about him, and delegitimized him before the public–inciting them to take to the streets shouting nonsense about Chavez…. associating him to Mussolini and Hitler, all of it.
When I saw the GOP try to scare Vets by saying that Obamacare would = “death panels” for them, I wondered what the aim was. Same goes for all of irresponsible rhetoric about Obama seeking to undermine the CIA, military, and national defense generally.
I have worried about a coup attempt. But when my mind starts spinning with paranoia of that sort, I try to calm down by telling myself that the right has always gone after Democratic Presidents and sought to smear and destroy them. The only thing that’s different is the level of hysteria and the politicians, themselves, joining in for a round of “delegitimize the President.” From what I can gather, the attacks against Obama most closely resemble the attacks made against FDR. People called him a socialist, said he wasn’t born here, etc. Politicians never did, though, as far as I’m aware.
My bigger concern is that there seems to be a proto-fascist movement (yes, I realize the over-use of “fascism”) afoot that people are not calling out. Beginning with the Presidential campaign, there has been a sharp increase in nationalistic rhetoric regarding religion and the military. Also, rhetoric that advances the notion of “real Americans” has been elevated. Revolutionary rhetoric promoting violence. Check. And we have an entire party that has been “purified” of moderates–indeed, top leaders like Cheney have all out said that there is no place for moderates in the GOP anymore. Anti-intellectualism is on the rise. And now, the thing to do is to take out “left-leaning” organizations one by one. ACORN was first. The new target is the SEIU. When the White House itself bends to irrationality by doing things like putting a notch in the belts of the nuts by getting rid of Van Jones, it only emboldens McCarthyish behavior.
The people advocating the approach of Faux News and their ilk know not what they are doing, and they don’t care. Reason is out the window. And luckily for those people who care not to think, there is a channel on TV that shows them the equivalent of two minutes hate ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_C992KPzKs ) 24/7–pointing out and naming “the enemies” and calling out emotional responses to those images. Hate. Hate. Hate. Hate. Destroy. Destroy. Destroy. Destroy. In the name of Jesus!
Gordon Brown answer to the bank problem………more banks!
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/columnists/article6854571.ece
Mike
ppsssttt . . . Rep. Alan Grayson on healthcare:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/alan-grayson-republicans_n_303996.html
The GOP wants an apology.
@Macy
ONLY A DEBT MORATORIUM CAN SAVE ICELAND
By Webster Griffin Tarpley, Ph.D.
http://actindependent.org/ICELAND.pdf
Warning: It’s long!
@Stacy
Thank you for pointing out that Perry served under the Johnson and Carter administrations (ed: also under Dem Governor of FLA, LeRoy Collins)
No further evidence of his stupidity need be presented.
@larry
I always felt David Hemmings would have made a better Ilya. Hemmings did appear in one of my all time favourite films, Michelangelo Antonioni’s 1966 ultra-hip ‘Blowup’,
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060176/
Now that I think of it, Oskar Werner would have been pretty cool too. He was awesome in Truffault’s Fahrenheit 451,
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0060390/
When it eventually comes to that, I got dibs on Dostoyevsky’s Crime and Punishment – in the original Klingon, of course.
The article with George Vidal is the best one in a very long time!
Btw, to all bankers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inTRblYTevk
Sounds like a threat to the office in order to secure a bombing run on Iran for AIPAC and the Zionist crazies. Committ to another war, triple down on that front and then essentially become captive to the Military Complex for the rest of your stay in the White House. I think Hopey McChange is just enough of a softie to abide by the threat. Wall Street and the Complex have already made it clear to anyone who is not brain dead that he is in essence a porch negro who is only allowed inside the House under close supervision.
Sorry, should be Gore Vidal and nothing else!
@Scott – “Nobody has been assassinated holding flashlights so far. That’s a good thing too…”
Assassinations? Heaven’s no – too retro. We’re much more sophisticated these days. Now, troublemakers either have convenient “accidents” (http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389×4704648) or become the unfortunate victims of their own suicidal urge (http://www.infowars.com/geraldo-calls-for-florida-gov-to-investigate-palfrey-suicide/ – http://www.infowars.com/dc-madam-predicted-she-would-be-suicided/ – and lest we forget – http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/141204webbmurdered.htm).
Unprecedented U.S. corp. defaults seen for ’09 http://tinyurl.com/yclnrok
GORDON BROWN GOES NUTS ON TV!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm48tpIBhZc&feature=player_embedded#t=22
Mike
Seen this on Goldman, Wachovia and the Fed? Secrete deals with Mr. Paulson…
http://rawstory.com/2009/09/us-secretly-tried-to-make-deals-with-goldman-sachs/
Britain asks Schwarzenegger to close prostitute web site http://tinyurl.com/yegoeqy
Stacy, thanks for the terrific links, and I wholeheartedly agree with your conclusion.
Re: Currencies – For the Record -
1 CAD = 0.93 USD
1 USD = 1.07 CAD
US secretly tried to make deal with Goldman Sachs in wake of financial crisis
NEW YORK, N.Y.—The government secretly tried to orchestrate a deal involving Goldman Sachs in the week following Lehman Brothers’ collapse and considered using the Federal Reserve to help support such a transaction, Andrew Ross Sorkin reports in the new issue of Vanity Fair.
http://rawstory.com/2009/09/us-secretly-tried-to-make-deals-with-goldman-sachs/
Hey Max
You need to talk to this guy:-
http://www.jimcorr.com/
Mike
IMO massive Open Interest in the Jan10 WFC Puts.
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/os?s=WFC&m=2010-01
FWIW
Opinions ?
If the liberal hawks want to take their turn playing “Neocon Adventure” in Iran, they’re going to have to do it without Russia’s help – http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/russia/6240362/Russia-urges-world-not-to-get-too-emotional-about-Iran.html
Euro area inflation estimated at -0.3% (=Deflation) PDF
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/cache/ITY_PUBLIC/2-30092009-AP/EN/2-30092009-AP-EN.PDF
HuffPost builds on this military coup story and adds:
“On the same day conservative talk-radio host Jim Quinn directly addressed U.S. troops, telling them that Obama is “gonna get you killed.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/30/obama-coup-fantasized-abo_n_304231.html
Look at more Eurostats
http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/portal/page/portal/eurostat/home/
The US is toast
Consumer prices have fallen for six straight months from year-earlier levels, the longest stretch of declines since a 12- month drop from September 1954 to August 1955, according figures from the Labor Department.
FRom: Greenspan Sees Growth Slowing as Stocks ‘Flatten Out’ http://tinyurl.com/ydlw47z
Federal Reserve Buys More Than 100% of Mortgages Issued in 2009 http://tinyurl.com/yaka8on
Nice Chart: GDP per capita in PPS – GDP per capita in Purchasing Power Standards (PPS) (EU-27 = 100) http://tinyurl.com/ybxmj65
@youri
glad you enjoyed the clip..here is a link to the torrent of the movie if you are interested!!!
http://www.mininova.org/tor/1809555
also posted this extract the forum few months ago.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksmjh8LL2zA
@Frances,…..I thought you might find this a good read.
http://la.indymedia.org/uploads/2007/09/andrew_m._lobaczewski__laura_knight-jadczyk__-_political_ponerology.pdf
Dollar Carry Trade-In, Jim Willie and Friends, 30 September 2009, Listen: http://www.contraryinvestorscafe.com/player/player.php?utype=PU&pid=62242&aid=320
Andy & Jim discuss the emerging carry trade in the US Dollar and how it will handcuff the Fed’s efforts to ‘exit’ emergency mode. They also discuss some important geopolitical issues and their implications.
Website: http://www.contraryinvestorscafe.com/#
@Supergeek
TnX! Downloading as we speak…
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/edmundconway/100001160/britains-rollover-crunch/
Oh Dear
Mike
I thought that when you call for the violent( it is the army after all) overthrow of your government you were committing treason. I guess in America you can call for violence against anyone and they call it free speech. No such thing as incitement or hate crimes. We will have to wait for the actual coupe attempt before we can call it anything I suppose.
Brown scapes the bottom of the barrel:-
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6856194.ece
Mike
@ Steve – From Wiki: “Sedition is encouraging one’s fellow citizens to rebel against their state, whereas treason is actually betraying one’s country by aiding and abetting another state. Sedition laws somewhat equate to terrorism and public order laws.”
We repealed the Sedition Act in 1920. I really don’t know what the legal process is for charging people with sedition these days. Maybe calling him an “enemy combatant” and throwing him in jail to be detained indefinitely??!!
U.S. Intelligence Budget: $75 Billion, 200,000 Operatives. Fusion Centers Will Have Access to Classified Military Intelligence http://tinyurl.com/ydpjke4
Cool, the Hondouran coup regime is using LRAD-X devices that it bought off of us against those protesting their regime:
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=15480
USA! USA! USA!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l6TZqzzZtc&feature=related
Obama IS surrounded by ‘radical leftists’ and ‘Marxists’. These are not “code words” stirring up the stupid masses. They are easily proven facts. That he is also the wholey owned subsiderary of the military-industrial complex is no contradiction. Whether the morons want to make war on foreigners or on America’s free market is irrelevant. Bullies want power, be they left or right. And power lust extends in all directions. Stacy is just partial to one brand and not the other.
@ John:
“Obama IS surrounded by ‘radical leftists’ and ‘Marxists’. These are not “code words” stirring up the stupid masses. They are easily proven facts.”
OKay, PROVE IT . . . with facts.
@John Howard
Exactly, check it out Obama Cobweb http://bit.ly/N7JJR
Look up Valerie Jarrett Obamas WH senior adviser she had to sign an ethics waiver, WTF
http://www.judicialwatch.org/news/2008/nov/obama-advisor-valerie-jarrett-linked-real-estate-scandals
@Mep Greyson is awsome….I had the idea that if one was to speak to congress one had to do it this way and with simple visual aids cause talking to these people is like talking to a room full of children.
I’m not sure what to think about this coup story. Now it appears that the RNC is providing financial support to the website promoting the story.
Media Matters: RNC Tied To Website That Promoted Military Coup Against Obama
http://mediamattersaction.org/blog/200909300008
Book written by stupid illiterate who faked a pregnancy now number one on both Amazon and Barnes & Noble bestseller list forty-eight days before its release.
For what it’s worth, people should read Stephen Stills.
@ Dan – Yep, Rep. Grayson prettymuch rocks. Did you see his apology?
He apologized . . . to the dead and their families!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCAPX0RKwDU
LOL!
@Mike/Liverpool:
You are so right on with your links! Thanks.
@Dedo:
As always, you have the best reading recommendations!!!
@Mep:
It’s nice to read your posts from a completely different perspective than mine! Really erudite.
Ilya is fixated on the 60s.
SH** who would have thunk it. Newsmax right wing sponsored propaganda vs mediamatters left wing sponsored propaganda.
What will we do…
@ WL – LOL @ the “cobweb”. Can’t believe that you’re serious with that!!!!! Guess that “radical leftists” these days are people and orgs that support women’s rights/control over their own bodies, people and orgs. that mobilize the poor, working poor, and minorities to vote, and orgs. that advocate for poor people. How radical! How “leftist.”
Look, there’s no secret here about what the right fears. It fears being left out in the wilderness for 50 years like they were after FDR. Looking at demographic changes alone, it has reason to worry. That’s why they’re going after orgs. that register voters, orgs. that help people, and unions. They don’t care at all about women’s choice and abortion per se . . . they only care that they can continue getting votes from the anti-crowd by taking actions that assault women’s access to even the most basic of reproductive freedoms (e.g., being able to purchase contraception).
@Mep
“lets care about people even AFTER they are born”
Grayson has good lines. I predict he will “get” liver cancer, or his Cessna will “crash”, or he will commit “suicide”, within 18 months.
Hell, they’ll probably bury him right beside Wellstone – just to make a point to future candidates.
on number 100, i proudly announce the departure of Ken Lewis!! drinks on max!
@Code word Timothy
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x7rb2c_francois-houtart-about-the-financia_news
ha ha ha ha again…… THE USA……. THE USA……THE USA….
Vidal and the people just do not accept the evidence. Clueless….clueless…..clueless.
1. Democracy has been a ficade for decades. The USA has not had ANY democracy for decades. It has been systematically removed step by step for years and years, relentlessly by the conglomerate.
2. The US government elite are literally placed into power by the money controlling conglomerate
3. There is NO left, right, liberal, democrats, republicans. blah blah blah…..there are only those in power controlling all aspects of the faulty financial dept model of the us currency etc and utilizing it to establish a world government for themselves…..
ALL the political BULLSHIT related to the NON EXISTENT DEMOCRACY of the USA is all TOTAL BLATANT LIES and misdirection to con,appease and justify to the world that the “front man governmental power” ,USA, has the justified right to raise havoc in the world while in reality the US is only participating as a “second in command partner” to the entities agenda of establishing a world government.
4. All presidents since Nixon have been in total collusion with the true superior power…. the entity controlling the money supply.
5. Obama is an employee of the people controlling the money supply as was Daddy Bush… Clinton …. and “well groomed” “best prepped and most accomplishing for the agenda in favor of the entity “baby Bush.
Side note on Bush:
I am sure you have seen Bush Sr address to the nation talking of New world order. Ask yourself these questions…..
Did the people of the USA know what the fuck he was talking about concerning “new world order”…..NO!
Did the people of the USA push the government toward NWO……NO!
Did congress know what the fuck he was talking about concerning NWO…..NO!
Was the congress pushing for NWO…….NO!
Did other nations of the world know what he was talking about concerning NWO………. NO!
WHEN BUSH SR. SPOKE OF NWO TO THE WORLD………
NO ONE KNEW WHAT THE FUCK HE WAS TALKING ABOUT !
SO………..
The million dollar question is WHO the fuck is he talking with about the NWO to be directing the USA toward a NWO….. and why is the president of the United States making the statement…………” ……..and WE will succeed.”
WHO THE FUCK IS WE???????????????
You have to be completely ignorant not to realize the Bush’s (along with all the other presidents, including without doubt, Obama) are primary partners of the people controlling the money supply WORKING FOR THEM……. NOT FOR THE PEOPLE.
The conglomerate includes ALL the major influencial powers of which the “United States” is on the lower end of the power spectrum. Only the people of the USA and congress feel that the USA is superior power. ha ha ha ha ha ha the entity is in hysterical laughter.
The IMF, UN, WTO, WHO, CFR, etc., etc., etc., etc., all working together behind the spearhead organization the Federal Reserve as a unified supreme non governmental power answering to no one, while the USA is nothing more in status and power as a tool to be used and disposed of along with its currency and people.
When is the world going to spend the time and research all the overwhelming evidence supporting these statements and do something to stop these fucking dictating criminal civilization killers??
@Mep
The Dem party has been hijacked by a corrupt group of elite poverty pimps. That cobweb is 100% factual, you should look further into those groups and their ideologies. I agree with most of what you say except for a false paradigm. You defend the left vs right falsehood. It is elites vs the citizens or a class paradigm. The elites on the left and right only use those ideologies as a means to power. They are sociopathic actors gathering soles to support their goals. To criticize the left does not mean support for the right. The entire thing is completely corrupt. Look into Valerie Jarrett, she is is the lefts Carl Rove, the key to understanding Obama. Jarrett is as corrupt as they come.
Who has run the inner cities and school system? LEFT.. and how has it been going? Where are the poorest areas in the US? and who has controlled those areas? LEFT
These left elites depend and live off of the poor like parasites.
Don’t assume that criticism of the left is support of the right. It is criticism of corruption and the entire system. The Bush/Cheney cabal is no different from the Obama/Jarrett cabal. They just have different masks.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W02LTH8qba0 @ IIIya ,… you certainly have good taste in film , ‘blowup’ a great film . i don’t watch many films but have spent the last year watching Tarkovsky films. [as they really work for me ], also ‘ Du Levande ‘ / ‘you the living ‘ by Roy Andersson [swedish] , love this film ! !, [ lots of locked shots etc ] a buddy of mine who was doing a film with spike sent me a copy on a memory stick but i have finally managed to order a full copy from ebay but am waiting for it to arrive , still waiting ,…in the meantime a collection of Tarkovskys greatest hits , thanks for sharing , see you beyond transmission , larry kuryakin
@mike
re:WE: I alwaya thought bush had a tapeworm!
Why the US is to blame for India’s farmer suicides
http://business.rediff.com/slide-show/2009/sep/29/slide-show-1-why-the-us-is-to-blame-for-indian-farmer-suicides.htm
== snip
The American middle class will cease to exist a mere 3 days after an Israeli attack on Iran. The bottom 90 percent of the US populace can not deal with gas prices in the $10.00 to 12.00 range.
== snip
There are plenty of Americans that have more money than they know what to do with, and this crowd can afford the higher petrol for some time to come. Don’t expect the roads to thin immediately.
However in the US, when Petrol >= 1.00 USD per Liter, that is when the US economy starts functioning differently. The 2 USD / L price band has not been reached in recent times, but Australia and NZ have been there.
A lot of US economic activity that serves no purpose would tend to decrease with elevated Petrol prices — but don’t expect to see the hand of creative destruction at work until Petrol reaches 3.00 USD per Liter.
I am not so certain that any shock to the Petrol supply will necessarily lead to a severe price uptick. The Oil market has has some weird economic properties for the 125 years of its existence.
@larry
That’s a pretty cool introduction for people who have never seen a Tarkovsky film, The man was a poet….Andrei Rublyov, Solyaris, Stalker…nothing that ever came from Hollywood can compare to these masterworks. I would trade the opening shot of Rublyov for the entirety of Hollywood’s dogshit.
for what it’s worth, my top ten:
1. L’avventura, Antonioni
2. Seven Samurai, Kurosawa
3. Andrei Rublyov, Tarkovsky
4. Aguirre, The Wrath Of God, Herzog
5. Au Hazard Balthazar, Bresson
6. The Passion of Joan of Arc, Dreyer
7. Viridiana, Bunel
8. The Wages Of Fear, Clouzot
9. Pather Panchali, Ray
10. Hiroshima Mon Amour, Resnais
…damn, I could go on for ever…
Only the most fervent BO supporters could tolerate his appointing/backing of Geithner and Bernake and their policies. Be advised: their policies equates Obama’s policies.
Obama is the newest tool of the ultra wealthy. Face it.
Not that this is shocking. As previous posters have noted, US presidents have been pawns for decades.
What is new is that significant amounts of Americans are becoming aware of this.
Please help to spread this awareness.
Our very salvation depends on it.
Your, “much of the US population is almost Manchurian in responding to such codewords”, is a great phrase. Maybe you could make Manchurian Candidate2?
@ WL – Re: “poverty pimps,” I’d agree that generally speaking, poorer people are more likely to vote Democratic. That’s been the case historically, b/c most people realize that voting D means they’ll be at least marginally better off, while voting R means that only the wealthy will be better off.
What’s interesting is that if you look at data on states, you’ll see that blue states subsidize red states . . . even economically battered Michigan receives less from the fed government than it pays out in taxes:
http://scatter.wordpress.com/2009/02/16/red-state-blue-state-welfare-state-subsidizing-state/
Only one red state pays out more than it receives back–Texas.
On “the left” running poor areas, you’ll have to define what you mean by poor areas. But a quick scan of state trend data on the percentage of people living in poverty tells me that you’ve got it backwards:
http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0104529.html
Looking closer, and choosing my definition of “poor areas” to be states in which the percentage of poverty is higher than the national average (using 2007 data), an interesting pattern emerges: of the 20 states that had a HIGHER percentage of people living in poverty than the national average, 15 of those states voted REPUBLICAN in the last election. More interesting yet, of the 5 states with poverty rates above the national average that voted Democratic, 2 of the states bucked historical trends: it was only the 2nd time N. Carolina went blue in the past 10 election cycles, and the 4th time that New Mexico went blue in the past 10 election cycles.
(Source for election data that includes historical voting data: http://www.270towin.com/ )
Are the poor turning out to vote in those “poor areas”? I don’t know. Perhaps they’re not and they could stand an organizing group, like ACORN, to register and mobilize the poor!
@ WL – On the L/R paradigm, I don’t know that I “defend” it. But I do engage in L/R thinking, because it’s sort of necessary to. Politics is infused in everything, and that can’t just be ignored. On a philosophical level, though, I do see things primarily in terms of power and class. (I’d be a shitty sociology student if I didn’t.) The phrase that comes most readily to mind when I think about all that is going on is not Max’s phrase “financial terrorism,” but it’s synonymous with it: structural violence.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7ofPRv29RMs @ illya , Thanks ! you have likely seen these , a compilation of tee vee commercials by Roy Andersson [the path that most film makers seem to follow ] my favourite is airline commercial near the end. airline staff and first class passengers casually abandoning the aircraft in mid flight whilst economy class passengers are almost totally oblivious to what is happening , a bit like our economies ?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOwpd2I_4mo @illya ,..one more , from Roy Andersson , Du Levande , in film you either cut your teeth on tee vee commercials or dreaded rock videos promoting crap bands ,using up your best ideas etc , this is fantastic. cheers ! larry
* Charlie revisits Canary Wharf and reexposes the matrix. Hilarious!
* Howard Zinn interviewed by Cynthia McKinney on Cindy Sheehan’s Soapbox. he exposes the founding fathers and the remnants of a protected class system
* The Creature from Jekyll Island by G. Edward Griffin book summary in audio format for those that don’t have time to read the book
* A look at Bombay’s Dabbawalas
http://www.askbutwhy.com/2009_09_01_archive.html
@ill ya
SCUMBAG…you make excuses for child RAPE!!
13 YEAR OLDS ARE CHILDREN.
@ILL – I can’t prove it but it is true.
You said:
“my recollection, as an avid cinephile, Polanski did not know the girl was under age”
and then you wrote:
“This is only my personal opinion and unsubstantiated by any actual HARD evidence that I can give you”
and then you wrote:
“And, if you doubt my presumptions, WHY was wonder boy Jack Nicholson, in whose residence the alleged crime occurred and where he was PRESENT (and very likely Participated), SPARED”
so vague recollection: opinion and presumption and some’ what about jackism!!!’
no facts nothing you can prove…so when you excused polanski by saying he didn’t know the girl was13 years old when he raped and sodomized her it is clear it is you talking…now be a man and admit it!again you trying to make excuses for polanski based on nothing but your feelings that makes you a scumbag and no better than a peadophile…you are not living in the real world and you are a waste of time…and because you try to pretend you can prove what you are talking about…when in reality you can’t even prove you have watched any of the films on your token film list that makes you and your opinions and arguments suspect…and you should be ashamed…because you are weak and the only person I have ever read on this site who has tried to make excuse for a child rapist and won’t admit why.
US factories expanding at faster rate
http://hohow.com/us-factories-probably-expanded-at-fastest-rate-in-three-years
@ill ya
I’ll be waiting you DUMB SCUMBAG be a man…I’m talking to you about you…I want to know why you are as stupid and FUCKED UP as you are, what do I have to do to make you answer the direct question… why…why do you think it doesn’t matter WHY would YOU directly excuse a child RAPIST…stand by what you wrote or SHUT UP…AND I WILL NEVER MENTION it again and you can go back to your BULLSHIT OPINIONS.
Don Harrold interviews Lenny Dykstra , talks about WAMU, JPM , The Street and Mortgage Fraud
… “Funny how it works in life – everybody wants to be with the Front Runner” …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zaAa-R7ano
@ill ya
yo RED, WHITE AND BLUE…I’m talking to you…
yes…YOU keep asking why I’m not getting upset about someone else well nobody ELSE was stupid enough to write SICK RUBBISH like that…and as I said i have a daughter…what about you what is your EXCUSE or REASON for taking a stand…do you still STAND by your WORDS SCUMBAG or are you gonna act like man and apologise!!!
nevermind money, nevermind FILMS..DEAL with something a lot more SERIOUS…CHILD ABUSE.
@ill ya
You ARE worse than roman polanski at least roman polanski new he could face JAIL…and ANAL RAPE if he got caught committing a CRIME you WANT to defend child rape because you think you will look COOL and there will BE NO CONSEQUENCE because you are just hiding BEHIND words and IDEAS…OK come out to play and dance by the LIGHT of the MOON…..I’m gonna piss on your BRAIN if you REPLY!!!.
@SI 1968 – ‘marxist’ is a codeword like ‘solitaire’ or the queen of diamonds is one . . . wasn’t talking about the meaning
Treason odds and sods:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misprision_of_treason
Misprision of treason is an offense found in many common law jurisdictions around the world, having been inherited from English law. It is committed by someone who knows a treason is being or is about to be committed but does not report it to a proper authority. It is therefore unusual in that it is a criminal offense which may be committed through inaction.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compounding_treason
Compounding treason is an offense under the common law of England. It is committed by anyone who agrees for value to abstain from prosecuting the offender who has committed treason.
@ Mike King – You are spot on. When America freed itself from the Bank of England through independence, those that owned the bank of england set about a plot to take over the money supply of the USA and make the country pay dearly for stepping out of line. If you research all those who question this activity you begin to find a trend of discrediting/sudden death by mysterious causes/assasinations/early retirements/mysterious accidents and so on. Those who are co-ordinating this are truly dangerous and have no morals. They operate in a different time to normal people and plan many decades in advance and think through all options and scenarios. For example if they want to put a leader into a foreign country and ensure the country is in debt and therefore answerable to there network. Zimbabwe is a good example – The country was a part of the B Empire – then gained independence – Then became self sufficient and then wayward and did not rely on foreign loans to operate. Mugabee is then financed as oposition to the Ian Smith and gains power – In doing so the country becomes indebted and when mugabee turns and decides to go it alone he is alienated with sanctions until the country is ruined. Then along come the international banks to the rescue and the country assets change hands quietly under the guise of help. Incidently this process occurs in the west in the boom and bust cycle. Each time it happens in the confusion and panic many assets are lost/lives destroyed good businesses and so on. So in summary you are correct democracy had a chance in the Republic of the USA – but the banking oligarchs are winning the control and through the laws they have sneaked in under the cover of stealth or darkness, theres not a lot that can be done.
Infowars has apparently blocked my IP after I posted a comment there a couple of months back.
I just tried to post a comment about the American Police Force turning up in Montana. There is actual PROOF that the APT is Blackwater/Xe. The proof is in the caption of the pic from the APF cite:
http://www.americanpolicegroup.com/special.html
The US. Training Center is Blackwater/Xe. Credit for finding the caption goes to Talking Points Memo:
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/09/american_police_force_hardin_montana.php?ref=fpb
Tarkovsky films……viceral sincerity …..beauty commits suicide….empty puddle.
Im really keeping my fingers crossed on ths whole 2012 thing…..I mean what more fair way to start over clean and impartial…..cause I think our masters are more than a step ahead of us folks.
In Tarkovskys a walk in the zone …that was my playground growing up…..the detritus of vanished industry….the atrophy of the USA. So viceral and suicidal I can still smell it when I watch it… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=718O6L2fWqY&feature=related
Jesus Christ, supergeek would you stop spamming,
….we get the picture
Did congress know what the fuck he was talking about concerning NWO…..NO!
I don’t agree with this. I think Congress is just a corrupt, if not more so, than Obama and White House staff members. Not every member, but most probably the long-time players.
war mongers, religitards,socialists ……unreasonable irrational group thinking douchbags all.
@Mep
The left runs the cities of America. Don’t look at just the Federal level, it runs down to the city and community level.The left is great at criticizing, but fails completely when held accountable. They are the oppressors. The progressive left runs the education system, a complete failure.
@snoots…… you are so very very clueless. Congress is as much in the dark as the rest of the world. They are under total manipulation by the elite in the government. You do not understand the depth and stealth of the conglomerate. In the eyes of the entity….. the congress is a representation of the people and are to be lied to, non transparent too, ignored and treated like saps like the rest. You cannot be this ignorant….. the evidence is overwhelmingly obvious that Congress is not in on the agenda. Do me a favor and do not read anything I type. Thanks
@WL….. you need much researching. You are very off base.
Mr.King:
I will have no problem completely ignoring your posts in future as you have indicated you desire.
As for duped Congressmen: They only look stupid. Being on the take, they must assert their intellect to the full potential.
@good….. leave me completely alone….PLEASE.
@All…….
The United States congress are average citizens employeed by the people. The go to work….. read the never ending paperwork of what to pass what not to pass etc etc etc and go home to a nice cold beer and watch movies. Being a congressman is a job….. a pay check….. they care about the USA and its people with half a heart. The entity and elite government are focused, diligent and rellentless in accomplishing the holy grail of power. In the eyes of the entity the congress is a minor obstacle to side step, lie to, and extorted into accepting whatever is necessary for the completion of the agenda.
@MikeKing:
You have been HARRASSED by mere words? Alone is how you will remain. I shall direct no missives, replies, sighs, denials, venial petulance, or syllabicated nuance in your direction.
Respectfully,
snoot
Here’s an insider glimpse at Congressional dialogue:
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/146/354955137_0775ce7c1c_o.jpg
But don’t worry: Our fearless politicians are only stupid, not dishonest.
stacy: “manchurian”? that’s brill. right on the nose
@Mike King
Off base .. How so?
I am open to opinions.
@snoots…..good….finally….after countless requests…..have a nice day.
Gazzoontite and good night one and all
May peace prevail
And CAPS assail
The every opportunity
Divinity provides
If Obama does not go into Afhganistan and give the military Industrial complex “their war”, he will be like JFK who did not want the Vietnam war or a war with Cuba.
Max, I think you’re losing it.
On the one hand you say that Obama is no different from Bush, on the other you say that the ‘neocons’ are out to get him.
Never mind.
@All… I have never submitted the pertinent information that I research to Max K site but this one I must take the time. I suggest you are sitting down when reading the following.
THIS IS THE TYPE OF PERTINENT INFORMATION THAT IS RELLEVANT TO THIS CURRENT CRISIS AND FAR MORE IMPORTANT THAN ANY MAIN STREAM MEDIA INFO ON THE TOPIC. IT CENTERS ON PURPOSE !
You are about to read some of the most important, truthful, accurate, pertinent information about the Health Care Bill superseding all the bullshit media info on the topic.
Subject: Constitutional Law Instr. views on HB 3200l
This following are the comments from to person who sent me this email: “I received this email this morning and since there are so many emails concerning the HR3200 Health Care Bill going around I have the habit of analyzing each to understand and prove their source. Since this one is signed by the author I decided first to see if there was in fact a Michael Connelly, Atty living in Carrollton , Tx. There is, he is listed in http://www.whitepages.com as Michael R. Connelly, Atty living at 3560 County Square Drive, Carrollton Tx and his phone number is 214-731-6280. I just got off the phone with him and he is for real. Please check out his webpage, http:michaelconnelly.viviti.com . Mr. Connelly is an attorney and a author. His email is [email protected]. Check it out.”
From Michael Connelly – Retired attorney, Constitutional Law Instructor, Carrollton, Texas
Well, I have done it! I have read the entire text of proposed House
Bill 3200: The Affordable Health Care Choices Act of 2009. I studied
it with particular emphasis from my area of expertise, constitutional
law. I was frankly concerned that parts of the proposed law that were
being discussed might be unconstitutional. What I found was far worse than what I had heard or expected.
To begin with, much of what has been said about the law and its
implications is in fact true, despite what the Democrats and the
media are saying. The law does provide for rationing of health care,
particularly where senior citizens and other classes of citizens are
involved, free health care for illegal immigrants, free abortion
services, and probably forced participation in abortions by members
of the medical profession.
The Bill will also eventually force private insurance companies out
of business and put everyone into a government run system. All decisions about personal health care will ultimately be made by federal bureaucrats and most of them will not be health care professionals.
Hospital admissions, payments to physicians, and allocations of
necessary medical devices will be strictly controlled.
However, as scary as all of that it, it just scratches the surface.
In fact, I have concluded that this legislation really has no intention
of providing affordable health care choices. Instead it is a
convenient cover for the most massive transfer of power to the
Executive Branch of government that has ever occurred, or even been
contemplated. If this law or a similar one is adopted, major portions
of the Constitution of the United States will effectively have been
destroyed.
The first thing to go will be the masterfully crafted balance of
power between the Executive, Legislative, and Judicial branches of the
U.S. Government. The Congress will be transferring to the Obama
Administration authority in a number of different areas over the
lives of the American people and the businesses they own. The irony is
that the Congress doesn’t have any authority to legislate in most of those areas to begin with. I defy anyone to read the text of the U.S.
Constitution and find any authority granted to the members of
Congress to regulate health care.
This legislation also provides for access by the appointees of the
Obama administration of all of your personal healthcare information,
your personal financial information, and the information of your
employer, physician, and hospital. All of this is a direct violation
of the specific provisions of the 4th Amendment to the
Constitution protecting against unreasonable searches and seizures.
You can also forget about the right to privacy. That will have been
legislated into oblivion regardless of what the 3rd and
4th Amendments may provide.
If you decide not to have healthcare insurance or if you have private
insurance that is not deemed “acceptable” to the “Health Choices
Administrator” appointed by Obama there will be a tax imposed on you.
It is called a “tax” instead of a fine because of the intent to avoid
application of the due process clause of the 5th Amendment.
However, that doesn’t work because since there is nothing in the law
that allows you to contest or appeal the imposition of the tax, it is
definitely depriving someone of property without the “due process of
law.
So, there are three of those pesky amendments that the far left hate
so much out the original ten in the Bill of Rights that are
effectively nullified by this law. It doesn’t stop there though. The
9th Amendment that provides: “The enumeration in the
Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or
disparage others retained by the people;” The 10th
Amendment states: “The powers not delegated to the United States by
the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are preserved
to the States respectively, or to the people.” Under the provisions of
this piece of Congressional handiwork neither the people nor the
states are going to have any rights or powers at all in many areas
that once were theirs to control.
I could write many more pages about this legislation, but I think you
get the idea. This is not about health care; it is about seizing
power and limiting rights. Article 6 of the Constitution requires the
members of both houses of Congress to “be bound by oath or
affirmation” to support the Constitution. If I was a member of
Congress I would not be able to vote for this legislation or anything
like it without feeling I was violating that sacred oath or
affirmation. If I voted for it anyway I would hope the American
people would hold me accountable.
For those who might doubt the nature of this threat I suggest they
consult the source.
Here is a link to the Constitution:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/constitution_transcript.html
And another to the Bill of Rights:
http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
There you can see exactly what we are about to have taken from us.
Michael Connelly
Retired attorney,
Constitutional Law Instructor
Carrollton, Texas
Barack Obama is the kindest, bravest, warmest, most wonderful human being I’ve ever known in my life.
I have to disagree with the assumption here that the corporatism/fascism which has been building in this country as a right wing ideology. History shows that Fascism/Corporatism is a product of socialism, not an extension of capitalism. As we’ve moved farther and farther away from a free market is when we see the rise of Corporatism. Corporatism isn’t a radical form of free market, it is just another face of government control.
Too many believe what their middle school teachers taught them about fascism and communism being the two end of the political spectrum. They are not. They are the same side of the spectrum. One has a few people in control while the other has one person in control. But they are both based on Government control. The two sides of the spectrum are more government control and less government control. Capitalism and a true free market system is on the far right and is based on individual freedom as being supreme. Both Fascism/Corporatism and communism/socialism are on the far left where the individual is secondary to the whole and therefore the state has more control then the individual.
I agree that Bush was awful but I think it was because of his left tendencies to more government control and power.
I’m not advocating a coup. But it is important to understand that the two political parties are basically the same, which want more government control and power.