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	<title>Comments on: [OTE21] &#8211; On the Edge with . . . Janet Tavakoli</title>
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		<title>By: Casual_Observer</title>
		<link>http://maxkeiser.com/2009/10/03/ote21-on-the-edge-with-janet-tavakoli/#comment-31755</link>
		<dc:creator>Casual_Observer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:25:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I still have difficulty listening to these arguments when they are presented as either inflationist or delfationist. One has to keep in mind that assets and money are very different. It is very possible that the inevitible Asset Deflation will be accomanied by a Monetary Inflation. If you think it is impossible, you don&#039;t understand fiat currencies. There has NEVER been a monetary deflation with a fiat currency. 

This might end up being the worst of both worlds. All of you assets will deflate (go down in value), AND the gov&#039;t will inflate the money supply to the point of significant devaluation (or dislocation globally) or an all out currency crisis.

At the end of the day, even before the Credit bubble popped, the US would have had to intentionally devalue it currency by aboyt 50% in abotu 15 years in order to afford it unfunded liablilities. If the US dollar stays at it&#039;s current relative value, let alone rises, kiss Medicare, Social Security, and the Military goodbye, it is too expensive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I still have difficulty listening to these arguments when they are presented as either inflationist or delfationist. One has to keep in mind that assets and money are very different. It is very possible that the inevitible Asset Deflation will be accomanied by a Monetary Inflation. If you think it is impossible, you don&#8217;t understand fiat currencies. There has NEVER been a monetary deflation with a fiat currency. </p>
<p>This might end up being the worst of both worlds. All of you assets will deflate (go down in value), AND the gov&#8217;t will inflate the money supply to the point of significant devaluation (or dislocation globally) or an all out currency crisis.</p>
<p>At the end of the day, even before the Credit bubble popped, the US would have had to intentionally devalue it currency by aboyt 50% in abotu 15 years in order to afford it unfunded liablilities. If the US dollar stays at it&#8217;s current relative value, let alone rises, kiss Medicare, Social Security, and the Military goodbye, it is too expensive.</p>
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		<title>By: dan valley</title>
		<link>http://maxkeiser.com/2009/10/03/ote21-on-the-edge-with-janet-tavakoli/#comment-31666</link>
		<dc:creator>dan valley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:50:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Its all so fixed that you cant hedge against anything .....whatever seems a safe bet one week will crash the next....they are playing us like an accordian.....so its not a deflation or inflation its both...its an accordian economy</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its all so fixed that you cant hedge against anything &#8230;..whatever seems a safe bet one week will crash the next&#8230;.they are playing us like an accordian&#8230;..so its not a deflation or inflation its both&#8230;its an accordian economy</p>
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		<title>By: stacyherbert</title>
		<link>http://maxkeiser.com/2009/10/03/ote21-on-the-edge-with-janet-tavakoli/#comment-31561</link>
		<dc:creator>stacyherbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 18:20:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mish review: 

http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/10/janet-tavakoli-risk-of-deflationary.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mish review: </p>
<p><a href="http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/10/janet-tavakoli-risk-of-deflationary.html" rel="nofollow">http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/10/janet-tavakoli-risk-of-deflationary.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Robert Baird</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Baird</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 17:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have just ordered Janet Tavakoli&#039;s book and look forward to reading it. A thoughtful and balanced individual who seems prepared to accept there are many imponderables that could blindside detail predictions, whilst being confident of her overall thesis. Another excellent On The Edge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have just ordered Janet Tavakoli&#8217;s book and look forward to reading it. A thoughtful and balanced individual who seems prepared to accept there are many imponderables that could blindside detail predictions, whilst being confident of her overall thesis. Another excellent On The Edge.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve in NJ</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve in NJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:36:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Mini US

Collapse of the USD sounds like terrible inflation for people holding USD.</description>
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<p>Collapse of the USD sounds like terrible inflation for people holding USD.</p>
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		<title>By: Mini US</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mini US</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:24:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great interview btw Max.
Janet expresses herself extremely well and it is a pleasure to listen to an interview where BOTH parties understnd the issue.
In the MSM it is usually its neither, or one and the journo.
Ha!
Thanks for making sense.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great interview btw Max.<br />
Janet expresses herself extremely well and it is a pleasure to listen to an interview where BOTH parties understnd the issue.<br />
In the MSM it is usually its neither, or one and the journo.<br />
Ha!<br />
Thanks for making sense.</p>
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		<title>By: Mini US</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mini US</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 13:21:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t think the rise in the Gold price is only about inflation fears, although that&#039;s how people see golds use.
Gold is also what people are looking to for when the USD completely collapses, and possibly other currencies in the world eg TOB.
I believe that is what is really behind the gold push.
Wether it will go down before it goes up, that is the 64c question.
It used to be $64,000, but since this saying was invented the USD has lost that much Purch power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think the rise in the Gold price is only about inflation fears, although that&#8217;s how people see golds use.<br />
Gold is also what people are looking to for when the USD completely collapses, and possibly other currencies in the world eg TOB.<br />
I believe that is what is really behind the gold push.<br />
Wether it will go down before it goes up, that is the 64c question.<br />
It used to be $64,000, but since this saying was invented the USD has lost that much Purch power.</p>
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		<title>By: stacyherbert</title>
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		<dc:creator>stacyherbert</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 12:53:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@dan valley - thanks for the link; very interesting</description>
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		<title>By: Richard@lattitude30N</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard@lattitude30N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 11:43:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Phil and @ Harry: you both have it right...it&#039;s a cultural war we are embroiled in..the productive economy where we all wake up to a world of limitations versus the derivative based WS econometrics of fraud and deceit which favors that their paper products ( @ $600 trillion -$1200 trillion worth ) be salvaged at the expense of the taxed population of 6+ billion worldwide...clearly the &quot;cover-up&quot; as Gerald Celente so aptly puts it continues,,,and the &quot;financial coup d&#039;etat&quot;as Catherine Austin Fitts labels this also stays protected...Yesterday I viewed Mr. Grenspan on Bloomberg TV defend the derivative market and the possiblity that it be regulated and placed in an exchange as mostly unnecessary..as he continues t defend the insiders who he apparently still considers the only ones smart enough to self-regulate themselves...I was amazed that he was given any air time as he is clearly one of the bandits of this on going meltdown of the capitalism we all have grown up and loved. I also attended a birthday bash for my neighbors Dad who is a self admitted &quot;communist&quot;,,,well I tried to explain the same perception that today&#039;s &quot;capitalism&quot; is at best &quot;crony capitalism&#039; and based in fraud...and when I brought up Thorsten Veblen&#039;s Theory of the Leisure Class..which was a turning point for me as he espoused that the bourgeousie wouldn&#039;t violently overthrow the proletariet instead they &quot;emmulated &quot; them and desired to be them..he only replied that some of the capitalist environment will  go that way...well that was written before Bernace, McCluhan  and the MSM mind control we all witness today..so thank you for today&#039;s interview...it may take a series of international lawsuits to reach the core culprits who have taken down a financial world where transparency and honesty in the markets may once again prevail....to conclude :how loud a voice must we raise so that even the most resolute defenders of the system in place realize that only when the destructive entities( public and private) are cleared away can a refreshed revitalized economic recovery begin...in it&#039;s place we are going to only possibly vilify the few &quot;bad apples&quot; whereas the entire structure remains...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Phil and @ Harry: you both have it right&#8230;it&#8217;s a cultural war we are embroiled in..the productive economy where we all wake up to a world of limitations versus the derivative based WS econometrics of fraud and deceit which favors that their paper products ( @ $600 trillion -$1200 trillion worth ) be salvaged at the expense of the taxed population of 6+ billion worldwide&#8230;clearly the &#8220;cover-up&#8221; as Gerald Celente so aptly puts it continues,,,and the &#8220;financial coup d&#8217;etat&#8221;as Catherine Austin Fitts labels this also stays protected&#8230;Yesterday I viewed Mr. Grenspan on Bloomberg TV defend the derivative market and the possiblity that it be regulated and placed in an exchange as mostly unnecessary..as he continues t defend the insiders who he apparently still considers the only ones smart enough to self-regulate themselves&#8230;I was amazed that he was given any air time as he is clearly one of the bandits of this on going meltdown of the capitalism we all have grown up and loved. I also attended a birthday bash for my neighbors Dad who is a self admitted &#8220;communist&#8221;,,,well I tried to explain the same perception that today&#8217;s &#8220;capitalism&#8221; is at best &#8220;crony capitalism&#8217; and based in fraud&#8230;and when I brought up Thorsten Veblen&#8217;s Theory of the Leisure Class..which was a turning point for me as he espoused that the bourgeousie wouldn&#8217;t violently overthrow the proletariet instead they &#8220;emmulated &#8221; them and desired to be them..he only replied that some of the capitalist environment will  go that way&#8230;well that was written before Bernace, McCluhan  and the MSM mind control we all witness today..so thank you for today&#8217;s interview&#8230;it may take a series of international lawsuits to reach the core culprits who have taken down a financial world where transparency and honesty in the markets may once again prevail&#8230;.to conclude :how loud a voice must we raise so that even the most resolute defenders of the system in place realize that only when the destructive entities( public and private) are cleared away can a refreshed revitalized economic recovery begin&#8230;in it&#8217;s place we are going to only possibly vilify the few &#8220;bad apples&#8221; whereas the entire structure remains&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Phil</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 09:16:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Harry ... well said :

&lt;i&gt;...Recognising the losses means dealing with corporate and individual speculators who have lost, &lt;b&gt;not pretending they’re still winners by chaining others to debt now and in the future because they’ll have to pick up the loss instead&lt;/b&gt;....&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Harry &#8230; well said :</p>
<p><i>&#8230;Recognising the losses means dealing with corporate and individual speculators who have lost, <b>not pretending they’re still winners by chaining others to debt now and in the future because they’ll have to pick up the loss instead</b>&#8230;.</i></p>
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		<title>By: dan valley</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan valley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:55:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>300 Members of The House  Now Support Audit the Fed</description>
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		<title>By: dan valley</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan valley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:50:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In 1998 George Soros wrote an article after the asian financial crisis in which he states the same is coming for the US and European markets.

He says that the free market will be to blame ....and rightfully so,due to deregulated markets.

He continues with Clinton and then Sec of Treasury Rubins Idea of a new issue of Special Drawing Rights SDRs an international reserve asset created by the IMF.

This is one method he suggests as a way to &quot;Save capitalism from its self.&quot;

It all seems to be coming to fruition sadly.

Below is the link to the article...enjoy. 

http://www.foreignpolicy.com/Ning/archive/archive/113/capitalismslastchance.pdf</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In 1998 George Soros wrote an article after the asian financial crisis in which he states the same is coming for the US and European markets.</p>
<p>He says that the free market will be to blame &#8230;.and rightfully so,due to deregulated markets.</p>
<p>He continues with Clinton and then Sec of Treasury Rubins Idea of a new issue of Special Drawing Rights SDRs an international reserve asset created by the IMF.</p>
<p>This is one method he suggests as a way to &#8220;Save capitalism from its self.&#8221;</p>
<p>It all seems to be coming to fruition sadly.</p>
<p>Below is the link to the article&#8230;enjoy. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.foreignpolicy.com/Ning/archive/archive/113/capitalismslastchance.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://www.foreignpolicy.com/Ning/archive/archive/113/capitalismslastchance.pdf</a></p>
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		<title>By: dan valley</title>
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		<dc:creator>dan valley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 08:44:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ steve...I think you have to reckon with the fact that one of the Fed&#039;s assets is gold certificates, which are priced, as I remember, at $42 an ounce, and if we were to price them at market prices, the Fed&#039;s leverage would look a lot less than it is now.&quot;

While valuing the U.S. government&#039;s claimed gold reserves at today&#039;s Comex closing price of around $1001 per ounce instead of the government antique bookkeeping entry of $42.22 per ounce would indeed vastly expand the government&#039;s monetary assets, it might not be enough to offset the liabilities and guarantees the government lately has taken on.

But the job might be done by revaluing the gold to $5,000 or $10,000 per ounce, as the British economist Peter Millar speculated two years ago might be necessary to prevent debt deflation: yet this is admittedly speculation.

What did Gramley mean by &quot;...the Fed&#039;s leverage&quot;? That would suggest that the Fed not only owns &quot;gold certificates&quot; but also future contracts and options on futures. They might be big benefactors in a gold squeeze.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ steve&#8230;I think you have to reckon with the fact that one of the Fed&#8217;s assets is gold certificates, which are priced, as I remember, at $42 an ounce, and if we were to price them at market prices, the Fed&#8217;s leverage would look a lot less than it is now.&#8221;</p>
<p>While valuing the U.S. government&#8217;s claimed gold reserves at today&#8217;s Comex closing price of around $1001 per ounce instead of the government antique bookkeeping entry of $42.22 per ounce would indeed vastly expand the government&#8217;s monetary assets, it might not be enough to offset the liabilities and guarantees the government lately has taken on.</p>
<p>But the job might be done by revaluing the gold to $5,000 or $10,000 per ounce, as the British economist Peter Millar speculated two years ago might be necessary to prevent debt deflation: yet this is admittedly speculation.</p>
<p>What did Gramley mean by &#8220;&#8230;the Fed&#8217;s leverage&#8221;? That would suggest that the Fed not only owns &#8220;gold certificates&#8221; but also future contracts and options on futures. They might be big benefactors in a gold squeeze.</p>
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		<title>By: harry_w</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Oct 2009 03:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@stacyherbert,

That&#039;s very gratifying, for ZeroHedge to recognise the contribution.  And also for Janet to follow up.

Janet&#039;s argument is very clear and rational, unlike most of the mystification of markets that&#039;s presented as economics.  

It reminds me of a lot of what Karl Denninger has argued since at least last autumn.  And also what  Steve Keen pointed out about the role of credit in collapsing demand, dwarfing that created by &#039;stimulus&#039; measures.

All the best analysts essentially grasp what Marx explained about banking finance and derivatives in Chapter 29 of Capital Vol.3, and what he said in Chapter 30 about the collapse of fictitious capital values in any system of production based entirely on credit.

Like Janet, and Denninger (and Max), Marx pointed out this would be when massive fraud would come to light.  Of course in a pre-fiat money era, Marx dismissed the notion of the state buying up all the derivatives at full value, to maintain the value of that fictitious capital.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch29.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ch. 29: Component Parts of Bank Capital&lt;/a&gt;:
&quot;With the development of interest-bearing capital and the credit system, all capital seems to double itself, and sometimes treble itself, by the various modes in which the same capital, or perhaps even the same claim on a debt, appears in different forms in different hands.[3] The greater portion of this &quot;money-capital&quot; is purely fictitious. &quot;

&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch30.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ch. 30: Money-Capital and Real Capital. I&lt;/a&gt;

&quot;In a system of production, where the entire continuity of the reproduction process rests upon credit, a crisis must obviously occur — a tremendous rush for means of payment — when credit suddenly ceases and only cash payments have validity. At first glance, therefore, the whole crisis seems to be merely a credit and money crisis. And in fact it is only a question of the convertibility of bills of exchange into money. But the majority of these bills represent actual sales and purchases, whose extension far beyond the needs of society is, after all, the basis of the whole crisis. At the same time, an enormous quantity of these bills of exchange represents plain swindle, which now reaches the light of day and collapses; furthermore, unsuccessful speculation with the capital of other people; finally, commodity-capital which has depreciated or is completely unsaleable, or returns that can never more be realised again. The entire artificial system of forced expansion of the reproduction process cannot, of course, be remedied by having some bank, like the Bank of England, give to all the swindlers the deficient capital by means of its paper and having it buy up all the depreciated commodities at their old nominal values. Incidentally, everything here appears distorted, since in this paper world, the real price and its real basis appear nowhere, but only bullion, metal coin, notes, bills of exchange, securities. Particularly in centres where the entire money business of the country is concentrated, like London, does this distortion become apparent; the entire process becomes incomprehensible; it is less so in centres of production. [...]

It should be noted in regard to imports and exports, that, one after another, all countries become involved in a crisis and that it then becomes evident that all of them, with few exceptions, have exported and imported too much, so that they all have an unfavourable balance of payments. [...]

It follows from the above that commodity-capital, during crises and during periods of business depression in general, loses to a large extent its capacity to represent potential money-capital. The same is true of fictitious capital, interest-bearing paper, in so far as it circulates on the stock exchange as money-capital. Its price falls with rising interest. It falls, furthermore, as a result of the general shortage of credit, which compels its owners to dump it in large quantities on the market in order to secure money. It falls, finally, in the case of stocks, partly as a result of the decrease in revenues for which it constitutes drafts and partly as a result of the spurious character of the enterprises which it often enough represents. This fictitious money-capital is enormously reduced in times of crisis, and with it the ability of its owners to borrow money on it on the market. However, the reduction of the money equivalents of these securities on the stock exchange list has nothing to do with the actual capital which they represent, but very much indeed with the solvency of their owners.&quot;
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The solution, is what Janet calls &#039;taking the deflationary hit&#039; -- recognising the losses.  I think of it as a Bonfire of the Vanities. 

To cleanse the system of the surplus fictitious capital (i.e. debt) that it&#039;s choking on.  That means dealing with the consequences of bankrupt financial institutions (more Lehmans), and the political, social and economic shocks.  

Recognising the losses means dealing with corporate and individual speculators who have lost, not pretending they&#039;re still winners by chaining others to debt now and in the future because they&#039;ll have to pick up the loss instead.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@stacyherbert,</p>
<p>That&#8217;s very gratifying, for ZeroHedge to recognise the contribution.  And also for Janet to follow up.</p>
<p>Janet&#8217;s argument is very clear and rational, unlike most of the mystification of markets that&#8217;s presented as economics.  </p>
<p>It reminds me of a lot of what Karl Denninger has argued since at least last autumn.  And also what  Steve Keen pointed out about the role of credit in collapsing demand, dwarfing that created by &#8216;stimulus&#8217; measures.</p>
<p>All the best analysts essentially grasp what Marx explained about banking finance and derivatives in Chapter 29 of Capital Vol.3, and what he said in Chapter 30 about the collapse of fictitious capital values in any system of production based entirely on credit.</p>
<p>Like Janet, and Denninger (and Max), Marx pointed out this would be when massive fraud would come to light.  Of course in a pre-fiat money era, Marx dismissed the notion of the state buying up all the derivatives at full value, to maintain the value of that fictitious capital.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch29.htm" rel="nofollow">Ch. 29: Component Parts of Bank Capital</a>:<br />
&#8220;With the development of interest-bearing capital and the credit system, all capital seems to double itself, and sometimes treble itself, by the various modes in which the same capital, or perhaps even the same claim on a debt, appears in different forms in different hands.[3] The greater portion of this &#8220;money-capital&#8221; is purely fictitious. &#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch30.htm" rel="nofollow">Ch. 30: Money-Capital and Real Capital. I</a></p>
<p>&#8220;In a system of production, where the entire continuity of the reproduction process rests upon credit, a crisis must obviously occur — a tremendous rush for means of payment — when credit suddenly ceases and only cash payments have validity. At first glance, therefore, the whole crisis seems to be merely a credit and money crisis. And in fact it is only a question of the convertibility of bills of exchange into money. But the majority of these bills represent actual sales and purchases, whose extension far beyond the needs of society is, after all, the basis of the whole crisis. At the same time, an enormous quantity of these bills of exchange represents plain swindle, which now reaches the light of day and collapses; furthermore, unsuccessful speculation with the capital of other people; finally, commodity-capital which has depreciated or is completely unsaleable, or returns that can never more be realised again. The entire artificial system of forced expansion of the reproduction process cannot, of course, be remedied by having some bank, like the Bank of England, give to all the swindlers the deficient capital by means of its paper and having it buy up all the depreciated commodities at their old nominal values. Incidentally, everything here appears distorted, since in this paper world, the real price and its real basis appear nowhere, but only bullion, metal coin, notes, bills of exchange, securities. Particularly in centres where the entire money business of the country is concentrated, like London, does this distortion become apparent; the entire process becomes incomprehensible; it is less so in centres of production. [...]</p>
<p>It should be noted in regard to imports and exports, that, one after another, all countries become involved in a crisis and that it then becomes evident that all of them, with few exceptions, have exported and imported too much, so that they all have an unfavourable balance of payments. [...]</p>
<p>It follows from the above that commodity-capital, during crises and during periods of business depression in general, loses to a large extent its capacity to represent potential money-capital. The same is true of fictitious capital, interest-bearing paper, in so far as it circulates on the stock exchange as money-capital. Its price falls with rising interest. It falls, furthermore, as a result of the general shortage of credit, which compels its owners to dump it in large quantities on the market in order to secure money. It falls, finally, in the case of stocks, partly as a result of the decrease in revenues for which it constitutes drafts and partly as a result of the spurious character of the enterprises which it often enough represents. This fictitious money-capital is enormously reduced in times of crisis, and with it the ability of its owners to borrow money on it on the market. However, the reduction of the money equivalents of these securities on the stock exchange list has nothing to do with the actual capital which they represent, but very much indeed with the solvency of their owners.&#8221;<br />
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<p>The solution, is what Janet calls &#8216;taking the deflationary hit&#8217; &#8212; recognising the losses.  I think of it as a Bonfire of the Vanities. </p>
<p>To cleanse the system of the surplus fictitious capital (i.e. debt) that it&#8217;s choking on.  That means dealing with the consequences of bankrupt financial institutions (more Lehmans), and the political, social and economic shocks.  </p>
<p>Recognising the losses means dealing with corporate and individual speculators who have lost, not pretending they&#8217;re still winners by chaining others to debt now and in the future because they&#8217;ll have to pick up the loss instead.</p>
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