Stacy Summary: I’m afraid this has about as much chance of being looked into as Sibel Edmonds’ assertions of treason by Richard Perle and Douglas Feith.
I think it’s time for Congress to look into this cozy arrangement between the people who run the country.
Until that happens, nobody who plays the stock market — and “play” is a good word for it — can be sure that the game isn’t rigged.
Stacy: The markets are rigged?? Sounds like something we said in oh 2007 . . .
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@richard…Im half iroquois ….thus the last name. I file income taxes…;)
@dan valley: oh yes, tho I have not been further west ( or is it east ?) than Hawaii…I suppose the only entity that you might have to confront is the IRS…when filing your annual tax statement…unless you are that much of an anarchist already and shun those folks completely…also their are other passports available ( ie: Republic of Lakota, and another tribe from NY..the name escapes me…etc…) where you could apply …I write all of this as I assume you are an American by birth…
@ richard…well I live in thailand is that close enough?
@dan valley: …”UCC-1″…well well well another straw man applicant….studied this 450pp book ( Crack the Code ) on the subject w/ documents for filing in the back section…in 2001…my only take is that once you step into that arena and become fully immersed as a strawman…be very afraid…you are an anarchist and all your actions must follow the prescription word for word and you can never sway from the core principles that being a straw man espouses..also to defend yourself you might need an army/AF/navy…( some famous folks who encountered difficulties are the Montana Freemen, the Republic of Texas folks and probably the Branch Dividians in Waco TX) some folks who understand the process are successful but one slip and away you go..in the USA never answer a “corporate person” directly always answer with a question…and it better be the right question…and yes you are in Admiralty law…and yes the judge is bonded and you must recognize that…and on and on…regaining your true identity is a tedious task…better go live with an aborigenous tribe in the Amazon…
@Youri
They started way before that:
http://www.manfromuncle.org/mfutv.jpg
Remember when Woody Allen was actually funny? I.E. before Annie Hall? Downhill ever since…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OwJXbfElVE
Interpol and U.N. Back ‘Global Policing Doctrine’ http://cryptogon.com/?p=11628
Agenda 21: The Death Knell of Liberty http://tinyurl.com/yz7a3s5
Cool Tom Lehrer vids, Youri. Totally forgot about that dude!
correction 1967 – 42 years
Notin changed in 30 years, Send the Marines
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93n-EmGknEU
@ Supergeek
I saw her at CBGB’s back in the day. Back when people actually had taste in music. Sorta like the Passing Of The Elves in LOTR, an age that has passed.
Wernher von Braun song
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kTKn1aSOyOs
@larry
He’s such a fop!
I like Gene Pitney, the doyen of punkers everywhere,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8Hvzeut-VE
@illya
I would’a gone for this…but hey!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gY_jW6Hg5pw
@Youri
Colorado thanks the Ministry of Bullshit Statistics!
$7.25/hour in most parts of the world would be a fucking miracle, but in Northern Ameristan it’s chump change – $58 a day? I spend that on cigarets and lunch.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X505HU1SR_s
Solar powered cellphones will speed up emerging revolution
http://tech.yahoo.com/news/nm/20091014/tc_nm/us_cellphones_solar
Japan might end Afghan refuelling mission http://bit.ly/4ziAEl
DEFLATION nuckleheadz
What did I write in my rant? Lowering wages and see:
Colorado to Lower Minimum Wage http://bit.ly/3EY33E
Venezuela mourns “Columbus Day” as a 517 years of oppression,
http://www.venezuelanalysis.com/news/4858
How can you not love a guy who tells the truth?
Extreme thread deficit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBN5aaApg9Q
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3gc96BYHUbY some of the backroom boys, goldman sachs though these guys look a lot smarter ?
@y’all
gotta go make breakfast…a last thought for?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWtls7zgDiQ
@youri , thankyou for your link ! i watched the video [over an hour ] it was worth it !, [ i tried to understand it,] why don’t people listen to people like that ? many changes on the way ,not just for larry .
NASA to Reveal Data Showing a New View of Our Galaxy: NASA will hold a NASA Science Update at 2:15 p.m. EDT on .. http://bit.ly/RF1Bx
@illya
Yeah…I went too lie down too…ADD, I am only gonna say one word to you take it anyway you like…TORLYTE!!!
This should pretty much complete global coverage. Soon we can drop the dogshit GPS for GLONASS,
http://www.gpsdaily.com/reports/Russia_Plans_To_Launch_Three_Glonass_Satellites_On_October_29_999.html
http://images.businessweek.com/ss/09/05/0527_luxury_trains/image/008_goldeneagle.jpg love , when the trans Siberian express comes chugging down your street http://www.sojourns.com.sg/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/golden-eagle.jpg
@larry
We’ve got a lot of talk about this new awareness but also about other things which might happen which is all speculative.
The things we can see is that we have no sunspots and seemingly a weaker eartmagnetic ring for which I wonna do more research. Also a magnetic polar shift is suggested.
If there’s indeed a significant increase of earthquakes and vulcanic activity that also maybe a thing to look into further.
The Superwave theory is a good one cause it has a thorrow scientific base but we only know if it’s here when we can measure it. This first gravity wave could further increase vulcanic activity but in the question when it will come it’s also speculation in a change of 90% in the next 400 years.
Bottemline: We only can see that the sun has got no sunspots while it normaly, acording to the sun cycle, should have. The weaker magnetic field claim needs further investigation and proof. The same with the increasing earthquakes and vulcanic activity claim.
@d3do
was gonna leave this for ya last night, before you went off… wasn’t sure if you would like it… wnen I read return posts i thought why Not…y’all see my point!!!
Funkadelic – Biological Speculation (1972)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWZwRJ1KSg
We’re just a biological speculation
Sittin’ here, vibratin’
And we don’t know what we’re vibratin’ about
And the animal instinct in me
Makes me wanna defend me
It makes me want to live when it’s time to die
Y’all see my point?
I don’t mean to come on strong but I am concerned
I believe in god
Though I know that law and order must prevail
Oh, if and when the laws of man
Is not just, equal and fair
Then the laws of nature will come and do her thing
Oh, she does not think
She just rectifies
She comes and balances the book
Y’all see my point?
Y’all see my point?
We’re just a biological speculation
Sittin’ here, vibratin’
And we don’t know what we’re vibratin’ about
And the animal instinct in me
It makes me wanna defend me
It makes me want to live when it’s time to die
Y’all see my point? (y’all see my point?)
Some of you, you might not be aware
That some of us don’t eat
Some of you don’t, you don’t even care
Oh, if and when the system
Creates hunger and hate
Then the laws of nature will come and do her thing
Oh, yes, oh!
She does not think
She works by instinct
Survival is her thing
Do y’all see my point? (ohh!)
Y’all see my point?
@illya ,.. no ! russian soldiers are fine ! its only when they start singing ,it keeps me awake , one partei genose for another partei genose ! [i used to have russian neigbours who used tp practise their opera in the car park underneath my flat , i always liked that ] promenading up and down my street , i miss them …..
Three 9/11 heroes die of cancer in 5 days
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=108595§ionid=3510203
Must be the Thermate in the air…
http://www.dcrblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/black-helicopter-1198.jpg black helicopters are flying ,drilling, flapping their wings above my roof http://zapatopi.net/blackhelicopters/bhchart.png
@larry
would you rather have Blackwater? At least the Russkies bring their own vodka.
http://www.soundchristian.com/magog/russian.jpg @illya ,…..russian soldiers keeping guard outside my door .
Hmmmm….a biopic of Nico’s life would make a great PFM,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KiU5P4ihIQ&feature=related
damn, I don’t even want to think about the parties this chick attended…probably because I might have been to a few of them…
what you don’t know won’t hurt you but what you don’t know is what what hurts you , the sense of complacency where i live about all things economic is truly appalling .
@Youri
Magnitude 6.3 quake hits off Alaska: USGS
They’re playing the HAARPsichord…
@Supergeek
@illoya
I called you out after your first post or maybe second…
Sorry, short attention span combined with a frosty ennui = other shit.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FjjDmX9Tkss
http://images.fanpop.com/images/image_uploads/Hubble-Wallpaper-space-647500_1600_1200.jpg if Terrance Mckenna of ‘Time Wave Zero’ fame is correct , in the end what awaits us all at the centre of the galaxy , is a transcendental object of psychedelic experience .[ lets hope he's right ]
Weak physical demand may hurt gold price sustainability Paul Walker (Was also in Max Keisers docu) http://tinyurl.com/ylmatrq
http://reliques.online.fr/detroit/leeplaza2.jpg archaeology of the present moment ,Detroit in Ruins, won’t be long until most of america looks something like this , you get the picture .http://farm1.static.flickr.com/65/216114039_5699a7596e.jpg
Magnitude 6.3 quake hits off Alaska: USGS http://link.reuters.com/feq63f
@Supergeek TnX!
This also supports my theses that Obama & Brezinski are working towards WOIII by seeking wars already in Pakistan and now with Iran.
Bleak U.S. job market boosts military recruitment http://link.reuters.com/puq63f
@youri
cheers will forward the link to my friend gave me his paperback copy of:
The Best Democracy Money Can Buy-Greg Palast
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1APpmmjw5y0
Oct 13th Peter Schiff from Vlog Hawaii http://icio.us/bqafcl
@youri
overlooking the city… it feels like all those masons like ‘evelyn, hawksmoor,wren’ are just laughing at me… I have good mag article about masonic london, I will scan it tomorrow in case you or anyone else would like to read it!!!
Greg_Palast http://bit.ly/c5TSo
http://www.wga.hu/art/t/tiziano/08a/1ferra3.jpg max @stacy ,….playng the role of the Dionysiac http://www.markalanmarasco.com/Dionysian%20Verite%27.JPG
Gold Price Reaches record High http://icio.us/c4s3nd
@y’all
playing with sound and the late at night – early morning….crossover feeling!!!
Bobby McFerrin and Richard Bona (improvisation)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iimMKWF7SK0
@Supergeek
Yep, The Vikings where the first http://www.win.tue.nl/cs/fm/engels/discovery/viking.html
Eye of Hores sounds good although I don’t like to live in a Skyscraper. Vikings like to have their feet close to the ground or ship.
@youri
but then I only have to look out of my window these day’s and I think of you!…well when I say you… I really mean I see big obelisk and the eye of horus and think youri might like this view!!!
http://tinyurl.com/yg6tstr
@youri
saw this made me think of you!!!
http://matei.org/ithink/2009/07/22/vinland-map-real-vikings-did-indeed-find-america-maybe/
Wall St On Track To Award Record Pay $140B http://ow.ly/uh4C
Stocks are still cheap. In fact, according to Goldman, stocks are so cheap that corporations are going to start using all that cash on their balance sheets not for product development or marketing or some other productivity-enhancing investment, but for acquiring other companies.
From:Don’t Reinflate the Old Bubbles http://tinyurl.com/ylzohad
U.S. Stocks Primed for Takeovers, Goldman Sachs Says http://tinyurl.com/yhzb5lv
Tim and Hank are both great guys. I would appreciate it if you guys could stop with the harassment!
Thanks,
An insane man
@youri
yeah…I mean, I dream of those kinda women that can go commando…at least then I don’t even have to say…”take you your knickers off and lets get started”
The Be#tles – Revolut###(alt)
http://tinyurl.com/ygghsqx
@Supergeek
Well that’s the trouble I have, I can’t read between the lines. So if people try to say something to me “between the lines” that won’t succeed. I am a horny Viking made outtof one piece, no reading between the lines with me.
@dan valley
I think youre on the right track with water cause Alien spacecraft have been caught many times tanking water so one could suspect that they use it as fuel but nothing sure yet.
Maybe get more clues from the book that I am finishing “The Day After Roswell.” And this ain’t fiction this is the real deal folks.
@youri
Man or Men???…Women think about sex just as much as men…you just have to read between the lines a bit more sometimes!!!
@youri
Woof!!!
@dan valley
When I see Palin and hear “Going Roque” I only can think about the porn industry who are in a lot of trouble too. Maybe I can be her Ghost “Bud Naked” star.
Disclaimer: That’s how God programmed my brain. Man are per defenition sexsistic. First thing If we look at a woman – “Fuckable or not?” – rest comes later. Any man who denies this is a liear or gay or both.
@youri…I intend to invest in hydrogen on demand…using water splitters (harmonic destabelizers) and a plasma sparks. Need to look into the firestorm spark-plug.check it out.
LOL YOURI!!!
goodnite!
@frances snoot
Well his death is sure,
when I am in the neighbourhood,
and in a hungry mood.
Who am I?
Answer – The raw fish eater.
@scott
Cheers Scott,,,just checked it was nice If I had seen that an hour ago…I might not of just fallen asleep having cuddle!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UpdzEpGIqtY
@dan.v
here y’all dan shared this with me yesterday I’m sure he won’t mind me linking to it!!!
Baron Dave Romm – Manipulating Language
http://tinyurl.com/yl2ovts
@dan valley
Yep saw that one from Russia. Been reading your “going to the moon story” with the utmost intrest but I think concidering the current situation with the very expensive wars, Black Projects and looting of the complete real economy highly unlikely.
Think it’s better to explore the new zero gravity theories and look further at the Alien space ships to get to a new generation space fleet whitout the outdated technologies which won’t bring us far into space whitout great difficulties and costs.
The alien space ship as an layer of silver and silicon so acts as a conducter. The space ship has no controls as we know it but is controlled directly by the brain signals like the recent experiments we have with keeping a ball high with your brain waves so not so far fetched any longer.
It would be better that the black projects are disclosed so that the very bright minds around the globe can kick the ball much and much further. These black projects don’t get far cause they work in a very secret schizophrenic environment with limited brain power so that they get stuck with a lot of problems quickly without getting any progress. And above all, these black projects are too expensive also because a lot of money is waisted in keeping the secret.
Russia plots return to Venus http://tinyurl.com/ylo8g8q
@Youri:
So. Youri, what do you think of the fish and the stream riddle?
Wow gold new high 1069.00
From what i’ve read, by filing a UCC-1, you take ownership over the “strawman”, which is the legal version of your actual self, and responsible for all your actual debt. By taking ownership of the the strawman, you (your actual self) has full intrest in the legal version of yourself, and therefore, all debts would be paid to your actual self, instead of bankers and creditors…
Thus giving your actual self, and strawman, unlimited credit.
Plausable???
How Banks Can Exploit Geithner’s Plan http://tinyurl.com/dltcor
@Richard@Lat30N:
What a nice job you did of lassoing in the tangent! But I wasn’t referring to man’s rationalized conception of the feminine, rather to the acceptance that we cling to physical reality for metaphysical hope like a drowning swimmer and our ‘house’ is not tangible at all but simply trace…rather like the riddle.
Faulkner alluded to this conceptual reality with his illustration of dust and time constructs. Belonging revealed through absence: as night derives meaning from day.
This is how I see the feminine and masculine. Not two sides of a mirror, alike but opposite, but simply the fish and the river. The river being the feminine and the fish the masculine.
And trace belonging isn’t something we can handle readily without destroying the substance of the animal.
My idea about gold is that man objectifies his hopes of a transcendental passage for his seed onto a metal. The interesting stories of the philosopher’s stone and alchemy would play this out. Magic of the shifting of shape and light controlled by the intellect. Quite heady if possible.
As for hope…as I mentioned: words are tricksters for sure. Just try stabbing one for meaning.
Bizarre UFO-like halo over Moscow
http://buzz.yahoo.com/buzzlog/93092?fp=1
Demand Forecast for a Third Month on Growth – Asia leads the global economical recovery http://bit.ly/2wWYtV
Singapore returns to growth in third quarter http://bit.ly/3urr4
Exporting Deflation? China Consolidates Its Lead in Global Trade http://bit.ly/PvREt
@frances snoot: “the Exeter book”????????wow you go deep in the psyche to reach a point of reference…”do you love mystery….” well that’s the feminine versus the masculine once more…I am listening to Joan Veon in a repeat interview on the rense.com radio program…she attended the G-20 Pittsburg meeting….but back to the Germanic male dominated culture and many feminine tribal cultures that it opposes…the “jack boot” versus the “let’s reason together” culture…I am reminded of the movie: Dark Crystal…an animation…see it if you can…
Next Week: Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton announce they discovered radium and invented the Internet.
What Sarah Palin and Hillary Clinton Have in Common: Sarah Palin has an instant book out next month, and in keeping with the Unified Field Theory of Creep, it’s already on bestseller lists though no volumes actually have been shipped from the warehouse. Is the real reason she quit the Alaska governorship that she wanted to be free to promote the book and keep the royalties? If so, that makes her sound like just another political phony.
Palin is presenting herself as the author of “Going Rogue,” though a ghostwriter named Lynn Vincent is the actual author. It is perfectly respectable to use a ghostwriter — so long as this is disclosed. George W. Bush’s “A Charge to Keep” declares on the cover, “by George W. Bush and Mickey Herskowitz.” John McCain’s several books all prominently declare on the cover that the actual author is his longtime associate, Mark Salter. This is called honesty. To pretend to be the author of something you did not write is deceit, and indicates egotism. Celebrities and athletes pretend to be authors of books actually written by someone else. But they’re airheads! People with important roles in public life should be honest.
When Hillary Clinton ran for president, she pretended to be the author of the books “Living History” and “It Takes a Village.” The former was actually written by Lissa Muscatine, Ruby Shamir and Maryanne Vollers; the latter was actually written by Barbara Feinman, a fact the publisher even announced! Yet Clinton masqueraded as the author. Even today, Clinton’s official State Department biography includes the phrase, “Secretary Clinton is the author of bestselling books, including her memoir, Living History, and her groundbreaking book on children, It Takes A Village.” This statement is simply false, and has no business in U.S. government information. That the former governor of Alaska pretends to be something she is not reflects poorly on Palin; that the current secretary of state pretends to be something she is not reflects poorly on her. Both claims cheapen public understanding of the value of writing, and devalue honesty.
Scribner
Depends on what the meaning of “by” is.Palin handed in “her” manuscript to the publisher in August, three weeks after leaving the Juneau statehouse; Clinton signed to “write” her latest opus just after becoming a senator representing New York. This means that if they actually are authors, then they cheated the taxpayer. No one could possibly write a 432-page book (“Going Rogue”) or a 592-page book (“Living History”) while carrying out the duties of a governor or senator. To pretend for ego reasons to be what you are not is a worrisome trait in someone at a high level of public responsibility (Clinton) or who seeks an even higher level (Palin). That Hillary Clinton and Sarah Palin pulled the same self-aggrandizing stunt is distressing on too many levels to count.
Supergeek– Music with lyrics did you say?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruef7aYCEbc
@frances snoot: really this is tangengial to the topics of this link…but there is duality…it is a male dominant versus a female dominant world….notice the gods and goddesses in mythological history…it is the yin and the yang…and yes another great author/professor is Joseph Campbell….it is as I just heard from Swami Satchitananda….it is selfishness versus selflessness…a world in balance versus a world in chaos…that is why in this economics forum we seek a balance to a fiat currency scheme that is out of balance so we are gold bugs and sound money advocates IMO because it brings back to an equalibrium the massive fraud that has been perpetuated against mankind…we know innately that a balance must occur to reset the discomfort that a world out of balance brings about…I can only hope that within the greed culture there are those who have studied the classics, the philosophers and the intellects and the wise men of old who will take charge and reset the imbalances in our lifetime…every one of us is responsible to assist in this effort…become the change you seek…
So, Richard@Lat30N:
Do you believe mystery is enabled with personal agency?
Do you love mystery more than truth?
I say no to #1 and yes to #2…because the answer is trace.
http://www.jrrvf.com/~glaemscrafu/texts/riddle-a.htm
Bring Space Policy Down to Earth: Soon, Barack Obama must make a decision on whether to continue funding NASA’s daffy plan to build a Motel 6 on the moon. The president will be put on the spot when the final report of a space commission (here is its preliminary report) is delivered. Rumor is that in keeping with the tradition of Washington commissions, the report will contain extremely vague language about sweeping reform; then cite every item on every wish list of every interest group with a finger in this pie; then recommend nothing specific, so as to offend no interest group; then close with a call for higher subsidies. NASA is not one of the core missions of government, and spends only one-half of 1 percent of the federal budget, so space waste is relatively minor in the scheme of things. But if public policy can’t get this right, what can it get right?
NASA
“5 … 4 … 3 … 2 … 1 … and it’s liftoff for the next era of space waste.”Right now NASA’s budget is $18 billion annually, and the quarter or so spent on science — planetary probes, telescopes that scan the far universe — is going very well. The rest of NASA is a mess. The agency has just thrown $100 billion of your money down the drain on the space station, which has no scientific achievement and no known purpose other than keeping checks in the mail to favored contractors and congressional districts. The station is such a white elephant the current plan is to “deorbit” the thing in 2016. “Deorbit” is polite for “make it burn up in the atmosphere.” So after spending $100 billion to build a space station, we’ll destroy it. Your tax dollars at play!
Since 2004, NASA has said its next goal is a manned outpost on the moon, as a stepping-stone to manned travel to Mars. There’s nothing a person could do on the airless, lifeless lunar surface that a tele-robot operated from a Houston office building could not do at a fraction of the price and risk. And the moon has nothing to do with Mars. Any Mars-bound mission will leave directly from low-Earth orbit to the Red Planet: stopping at the moon, then blasting off again, would consume the mission’s fuel to accomplish nothing. Though NASA has been studying moon-base and Mars-mission proposals for five years, the agency refuses to give a cost estimate — a sure sign the plans cannot pass a giggle test. Considering the space station price was $100 billion for a limited facility that was not accelerated to the speed necessary to reach the moon — speed means fuel which means higher price — even a Spartan moon base easily could cost several hundred billion dollars. For what? Why, for “economic expansion”! Today, no one is interested in economic expansion at Earth’s poles, which are far more amenable to life than the moon, have copious resources, and can be reached at one-ten thousandth the cost of reaching the moon.
What about Mars? That planet is fascinating, and people are sure to go there someday. But until there is a fundamental breakthrough in propulsion, Mars travel will be ultra-expensive and extremely impractical. Today’s chemical rockets are little different from those of the Apollo era, meaning the great cost of getting weight into orbit and then to escape velocity, coupled with long travel times, remains a high barrier to any Mars mission.
The fastest trajectory available with current propulsion is a 520-day Mars mission, and that only gets you 30 days on Mars — the rest is transit time. Now think about weight. The Apollo vehicle, which was 45 tons at departure from low-Earth orbit, carried three people on a maximum mission of 13 days. That’s 1.1 tons per person per day. A Mars-bound mission would require less fuel per day, but a lot more weight for supplies, interior volume, multiple redundant systems and radiation shielding that was not required for moon flight. Interior volume is essential. The crew was strapped into seats in the Apollo command module; they couldn’t even stand up. For a nearly two-year voyage, the crew will need to be able to get up and walk (or float) around to avoid going bonkers. The Russian and European space agencies recently locked volunteers into a spacecraft-like big chamber to see how long they could stand it; they were able to stand it for 105 days, a fifth of the length of the fastest possible Mars mission. (Hilariously, the agencies announced the volunteers “simulated a 105-day Mars mission full of experiments and realistic mission scenarios.” This scenario is “realistic” only using warp drive.)
NASA
For a few hundred billion dollars, we could be sending text messages from the moon.Any Mars craft will need to provide at least some private space for each crew member, and a decent exercise facility, to stave off the muscle loss and bone decay that is triggered by zero-gee. At least one fully equipped surgical theater will be required. Loads of spare parts and loads of equipment to use on the Martian surface will be needed, versus Apollo, which carried no spare parts and no equipment beyond a small, short-range dune buggy. (Most likely a Mars mission would not be a single vehicle — unmanned cargo craft would go first, and people would not leave until supplies were in place — but the weight’s the same regardless of whether it’s a single vehicle or a collection of launches.) Considering these things, the 1.1 tons per person per day of Apollo may prove conservative for a Mars mission.
Anyway, suppose that number is right. Assume a Mars crew of six people — two astronauts, two scientists and two surgeons — on a 520-day Mars mission. (Two surgeons are needed in case one of them gets injured.) Based on the Apollo experience, our six-person Mars mission gone 520 days would weigh about 3,400 tons at departure from orbit. That’s approximately the displacement of an Oliver Hazard Perry class guided-missile frigate, and we are not launching a frigate to Mars anytime soon.
My weight estimate didn’t pop out of the sky. These numbers have been debated by specialists for decades, and have not changed much by recent tech developments — for example, electronics are a lot lighter now than in the Apollo era, but since electronics compromised less than 1 percent of Apollo’s weight, new miniature stuff does not do much for weight. Two-thirds to three-quarters of the mission weight will be fuel, and fuel weight hasn’t changed. In the 1950s, Apollo designer Werner von Braun projected that a Mars mission would weigh 3,700 tons. In the 1960s, von Braun supposed the mission could weigh 1,600 tons if nuclear propulsion was developed, but that hasn’t yet happened. Discovery One, the imaginary planetary spaceship in the 1968 movie “2001: A Space Odyssey,” was described as weighing 5,400 tons, which oddly sounds about right. In 2007, a NASA workshop supposed a Mars mission might weigh only 400 tons, an utterly unrealistic budgetary lowball number.
The true numbers are budget busters! Because it costs about $20 million to place a ton of anything into low-Earth orbit, the heavier the Mars craft, the higher the price. Merely placing into orbit the 3,400 tons of a conjectured mission would cost about $70 billion. That’s just the launch cost — construction of the spaceship is extra! If space station total costs are a basic guide, the full price of a 3,400-ton Mars mission would be $1 trillion. Converted to today’s dollars, the entire Apollo program — not one mission, the entire program — cost about $140 billion.
Now you see why NASA won’t estimate prices.
MGM
Discovery One, the imaginary spaceship whose projected weight might prove all too realistic for Mars flight. The shame is that while NASA toys with monumental waste of tax dollars on a moon base and speaks of a Mars mission it knows full well is inconceivable using current propulsion, the agency is not even considering two space initiatives that could return tangible benefits to taxpayers: protection against asteroids and space solar power. Sunlight collected in space where its energy value is far higher than on the ground, then beamed to Earth as microwaves, might provide a long-term fossil-free solution to the planet’s energy needs. No one knows if space solar power is practical. But NASA won’t as much as fund a demonstration project; all money must go to moon base subsidies and Mars plans.
Aware its current course makes no sense, NASA may soon roll out the reddest of red herrings — we’ve got to go back to the moon to beat the Chinese and the Indians. During the Cold War, no one questioned NASA spending because national prestige was involved. Why must we “beat” China and India to something we already did 40 years ago? If China or India beats us to space solar power — now, that would hurt.
usd getting cockslapped atm
http://quotes.ino.com/chart/?s=NYBOT_DX&v=s
This green skin is starting to make me feel rather freakish…
@Richard@Latitude30N:
Yes. I am biased because the ‘height of civilization’ does not need to mean Western at all: you are right there! But I think the ‘first do no harm’ idea is not popular these days and that was the jist of what I meant to write. And is seems that all societies were demonstrative of cruelty: whether by taboo or writ. I haven’t read either author. Will do!
Man in harmony with the feminine…is that to which you allude? What a trick that would be! But man is too busy squaring the circle rather than realizing a union between rational thought and the imagination. Objectify; sanctify; desecrate…and so forth.
The American people are in for some harsh times cause oil will go up cause the rest of the world doesn’t wait for the States so the emerging markets will ask for more oil. Although oil will go up in dollars the Arabs and other oil producing countries get irritated cause the dollar will go down and they still have nothing.
I think this will be the main reason why more and more countries will get out of the dollar and when Irak and now Iran switched away from the dollar in Euro’s their profit margins increased substantially.
Iran says shift from US dollar to euro brought ‘big profits http://tinyurl.com/ygcdgvn
So food and oil will go up and this will be a disaster for the Americans with the declining dollar in hand.
More American banks will go belly up in 2010 together with more foreclosures defaulting creditcard holders which have to pay insane rates now and this won’t be sustainable in the end. It’s crazy how the MSM is talking about “the crises is over” while it’s just realy just gaining pace, it’s delusional insanity cause of disbelieve in reality.
In this spiraling down of defaults, declining dollar etc. the wages for a lot of people will be lowered as it has already happened for a lot of low wage jobs but now the more middle class jobs will meat the same faith. Jim Willie may call me a nucklehead cause I respect him and it only shows how commited he is to his analyses but he’s wrong on this point. Thi9s will be a deflationairy depression till they print so and so much.
Question further will be if there will be any time left before a real inflation to kick in before the treasury defaults. They won’t be able to cut any stimulus although they want you to make believe otherwise to stipulate the suggestion that this crises is over which it most obviously ain’t.
2010 will be the year of reconning in which 50% of the banks will go belly up more Mortage defaults, more unemployment in the figures of 25%-30%. In which the won’t be able to higher rates stop any stimulus and debt and dollar will be going into oblivion.
@WL
Yep, great add later thought about this Jim Rogers saying “being a trader on the long term” indeed.
Hadn’t thought about this the “emerging third world middle class” but when you think about it it’s very logical.
@Youri
agree, nailed it but I would add that Rogers Agri thesis is not based on weather but on the emerging third world middle class and diet changes
He also admits that he is a terrible trader and after watching him I concur. He is only good at longer term macro trends
@frances snoot: “man out of balance’….for me the most refreshing view of man can be found in the books by James Redfield and Daniel Quinn…philosophically I grok with the themes…..If man has an acidic nature how can he appreciate the alkaline side of things…yes it might actually be in the ph balance that places man in the camp of a balanced worldview versus a unbalanced one…that is really too simple..but from my perspective just maybe it has an inkling of reality…which is more desirable??? man in harmony with nature or man dominating nature??? if you wake up and think that aboriginal man is the foreigner and the “civilized” man is the example to rely upon well, maybe you have a worldview that we abhor…maybe the culture that brung us here is askew from a natural balance. I am certain that many writers have taken this stance…Swiss Family Robinson, Robinson Caruso, even Golding’s Lord of the Flies….well what a tangent I have taken…
@@Dante
Oh yeah, an other reason why Jim Rogers advices on the Agri is cause he thinks that the Agri prices are too low now anyways and that’s always a reason for investors to step into someting.
@Dante
I knew about the misfortune in India and the drouth in the southern States and the water cutting and all so I could imagina that Rogers knew about it too.
But I think the main Reason why Jim Rogers advices on the Agri is because people always have to eat anyway you cut it. you don’t need a walkman or that kinda stuff in a crises but food is a necessaty.
Very interesting this weather lady, especially about the influence from vulcanic activity in dust and smoke, will keep an eye on her.
Webbot predicted more vulcanic activity in the comming years so that could give as a clue about the comming weather too. Vulcanoes also produce a lot of CO2 so they will use that against us. On the other hand if the weather gets more cold the oceans can take up more CO2 so this data also will be very interesting in the comming years.
Keep watching the lack of sunspots too and if this all comes together (Vulcanic and lack of sunspot cooling) we could be in for a very Icy surprise. Just wondering what this will mean for the weather on the European continent cause here in the Netherlands we had a good summer but it’s getting cold fairly quickly now too.
WL and Ray…since you guys brought up gold and the consensus is everyone is Soooo Bullish…I thought you’d get a kick out of this from another site,
“”This past weekend, I attended the 33rd Annual Gold Show in New Orleans.
I was surprised, and also encouraged, that attendance at the Gold Show was very poor. Sure, the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina hasn’t helped New Orleans’ image as a tourist destination. But even compared to two years ago, very few investors showed up.
This seems strange, considering that gold has been the best performing asset this decade by a wide margin. Basically, the only people in attendance were the hard core gold bugs – the same people who came to the conference when gold was selling for $250 an ounce. The halls seemed almost empty. The rooms where miners had displays had only a handful of investors checking them out.
By contrast, in 1980 when gold had just made its biggest top of the 20th century, attendance at the Gold Show was ten times higher. It was like going to a World Series game.
Ironically, this low attendance is positive for gold, in that it implies that gold didn’t need a flood of new investors to make its recent gains. It also tells us that when the flood does arrive, it will push gold prices considerably higher.”
@ray
that is huge. I heard this rumour from another source, as well
http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/kirby/2009/1009.html
I was watching the gold price back then and there was a momentary print of 1995.50, I thought it was a glitch, but wow. Found it on various sites but it didn’t show on comex.
Remember John Belushi?…the middle class and lower are done like a cheeburger…
The beat goes on…. this is big for the US
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/10/report-cit-nears-bankruptcy-ceo-to.html
Youri do you think Rogers follows these and thus his very bullish stance on Ags….I know Don Coxe does and he seems very bullish on ag complex, too.
@ Dante – oh I know. The only way that these scum bags will ever be tried is if a Ron Paul-type gets elected.
How much will be enough for the average Joe in the USA? Will they ever see through the facade of Republicans vs Democrats and vote for real change?
Ed
@Dante
Yep El Nino seems to be important for some weather flow. Donnow if the lady ius a farmer cause they know a lot more about the weather than me City Indian.
But the most significant is the lack of sunspots which beginning to rise some concern. Low earth magnetic field will make the sun very dangerous next summer. Well first look what happens in the comming years to tell more.
Yeah,…I like Patricks take on it,……how all things are emergent,..”man” just likes to put his/her stamp on it.
I would say there are some who would like to control nature, although their comprehension of it might be somewhat primitive,…only “time” will tell,..and the universe has plenty of that,…
fraud in the gold market
http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/kirby/2009/1009.html
If your interested here’s the link:
October 6, 2009 : Weather Watch [10-06-09 1:50 PM]
Many call summer 2009 the summer that never was. Here to tell us what type of weather to expect in the months ahead is one of the most acclaimed and sought after forecasters in the business. BNN chats with Evelyn Browning-Garriss, historical climatologist, The Browning Newsletter
http://watch.bnn.ca/clip221183#clip221183
Nightmare in the cornfield http://tinyurl.com/yl4mqm8
……. And on top of that, a band of snow is forecast from Kansas to Michigan that may leave several inches of snow where combines now fear to tread.
Youri Carma that lady from New Mexico on BBN said she was projecting a fierce winter due to the weak el nino
The Telecrap Urinal …you see the problem is that the day Paulson forced everyone behind closed doors B/C there was imminent danger of financial vaporization… was really a last minute effort to tell everyone when their envelope would be dropped off. That’s the only rational explanation for what has taken place, therefore, don’t get your hopes up about anyone being reprimanded.
Hard Frost Hits the Midwest, Grains Surge… http://tinyurl.com/yfqqkrl
link on story about dollar replacement by yen and euro http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/dollar_loses_reserve_status_to_yen_hFyfwvpBW1YYLykSJwTTEL;jsessionid=65E301CF47ED50D15170F8D6530791C5?offset=16#comments
…and when these Banksters lose at a game that is impossible to lose, they get bailed out by the very people they fleeced, thanks to the spineless cowards in DC who are either bought off or stupid.
There needs to be a culling of these criminals. They should be put on trial in The Hague for Crimes Against Intelligence!
Ed
Just got this site off zerohedge…pretty interesting way to read up on all these people in the news.
http://littlesis.org/person/1164/Robert_E_Rubin
How much gold is in Fort Knox? http://tinyurl.com/ylp8u4f
@ Dedo
the message i got from your link was not about god[s] but rather about Samsara – the wheel of life and time. It just keeps going.
The dollar might collapse and we might return to gold, but even gold will go and be replaced with yet something else….all things in this universe are emergent therefore continually evolving. This is all but another step
Ray
Do you have a link?
Mike
“So we are wise when we leave it to God to decide what is good fortune and what misfortune, and thank him that all things turn out for good with those who love him.”
Or her. Or it. Or we.
Dedo, do you believe that ‘all things turn out good for those who love him’?
First assumption: there is good. Second: we agree on good. Third: that wisdom is a ‘good thing’. Fourth: there is a planner or a pattern to random events.
The story is about how random events that are promised good are often bad and then the moral is that the story becomes truth irregardless of outcome because of a failsafe notion called god.
Call god mystery and call the church a prisoner of mystery then. Can mystery have agency?
@nutti @y’all
for years I hated and didn’t wanna hear music with lyrics, but now I don’t mind so much!!!
Son House – Grinnin’ In Ya Face
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quCtaLovYRk
This should get interesting as this interlocking web of thieves gets the lime light they deserve.
The Man Who Risked The World
A common unifying thread is the repetitive, spaced out by 5-10 years on average, spectacular blow up, the result of the bursting of yet another bubble of his own creation, for which not only would Bob not get punished, but would either frame, or be the beneficiary of, policies that would provide a generous backstop, and would subsequently progress to ever loftier positions of responsibility, both private and public.
Is this the same theme now seen with now only the five core TBTF firms, but mostly with Goldman Sachs? Is it surprising that moral hazard has now enveloped the very fabric of finance, after one of its core progenitors has been pacing the halls of both Goldman (and now nationalized Citi) and numerous administrations over the past 40 years?
More on Robert Rubin and his multi-billionaire hencheman as we delve deeper next time.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/man-who-risked-world#comment-98087
“Sunlight is the best disinfectant,” Justice Louis Brandeis
and GOLD defacto of course
NY Post claims dollar has lost reserve status to yen and euro
Dollar Death
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
@Dedo:
My only thought would be that we are out of balance species living on a balanced planet. Man manifests cruelty always. If anything the motto should be ‘first do no harm’. The height of civilization became only a device to separate man from that which man seeks: belonging and happiness.
Forcing men to adhere to an ideology or a framework of hope is not the ticket. Perhaps it is in time that time itself shall deliver our species to greatness.
The pinnacle of our hope is placed in the den of vipers and poisoned now.
No. I don’t believe that man is natural: something is out of kilt, for I don’t believe hate is natural: but then I’m an optimistic sort. Even the loneliness criminal needs love over all things. Then it is through love that the answer is bound to arrive. Isn’t true that the chain is only as strong as the weakest link?
Or perhaps we live only in cycles: an endless yeastlike replication of life and death alternating with sighs. Yes, then let’s live in simplicity as long as we’re able.
And yet there is the beyond and the mystery that surpasses our knowing. I believe it is mystery to which men attach hope: it is a feminine wistfullness. Mystery that animals perhaps hold in their being, and we the ‘wise’ wish to consume.
As Youri illustrated: raw.
@d3do
gay …me …tell ‘em …Illya…kenneth anger is magik…john waters is just scatological and the wizard of oz… is something I learnt word, for word for my daughter…honest…but you know d3do for you I would make an exception!!!
The omniscience of man,..how arrogant,..
http://www.naute.com/inspiration/luck.phtml
Who knows,…..who frikin knows,….
@Frances,….My argument is,..How does one distinguish between “man made” and nature,…..I mean,..are we not natural, and everything we manifest,…huh huh!!?
@OP:
Yes, it makes sense. But man really wasn’t meant to add variables to the equation. I would assume that would speed up the process? I will look to read the book you mentioned, thank-you.
More Sibel Edmonds. This interview from 10-09-2009: http://www.peterbcollins.com/podcast/PBC_20091008.mp3
Frances – Acid Sea:
Its one of these wonderful balancing acts, firstly to alter sea pH an extraordinarily amount of acid would be required. Even if this happened, the rocks, sediments & shells would become very reactive, break down and return the ocean pH to neutral. The balance between CO2 in oceans and atmosphere have remained in tact for thousands of millions of years.
OP
@Neo-Feudal
the quality of food sucks too – so you get sick so then you need the meds that suck.
also, i remember reading that at least in the communist block, the people knew that the media was all lies. so it was better in a way.
please write more often!
@Frances,……Don’t take the PISS!!!,…..I was going to ask Nic,..if he knew the fella,…casue I know some old gay guys in Islington who could go a few rounds,…: ) ain’t that right Super?!!
@Dude
Hey, anyone else starting too think Ilya is an oligarch?!!!
Illya wouldn’t hurt a fly. He is a happily deluded socialist who hopes to leave the Canadian wilderness for warmth and hot Brazilian bikinis.
@illoya
I called you out after your first post or maybe second…and then, well let’s not dig up the past… but I’m trying to suck up to you now in case you invite me over to play some vinyl and check out ya stereo…or even build me a valve amp!!!
Thanks, Ozzie Pete. So the scientists have been lying about the ph acidic studies?
@frances … “that bit of stupidity”
Which bit ?
@Dedo:
That’s the dude I called forth from the abyss of the google images, Dedo. Wanted a minion, but all I got was a monkey-winged cling-on Igor type critter.
Parallel within sdr valuation at present not currency fluctuation…flutters.
@Nic,….who’s the handsome,..muscular,..sexy,..avatar?
@Phil:
Can’t believe you didn’t call me on that bit of stupidity. What I meant by ‘equal ratios’ is that the sdr basket is proportioned with four currencies now running parallel with a goodly nod to the dollar and the pound.
Well, at least now. Later in the year it most probably won’t be reset .44 dollar. It’s like Derrida said about the trace: a sign whose meaning is transient and never metaphysical. That’s really what currency is: a signifier calling forth a referent becoming a sign.
Which would be the meaning ascribed to gold on this site: metaphysical.
The Next Financial Crisis
It’s coming–and we just made it worse.
http://www.tnr.com/article/economy/the-next-financial-crisis
Remote-controlled beetles.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/science/part-beetle-part-machine-its-a-cybug-1801014.html
Telephone Company is Arm of Government, Feds Admit in Spy Suit
http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2009/10/att-doj-foia/
US says bin Laden is in Pakistan (hahaha, buried maybe. So they most go in and get him right?)
http://feeds.bignewsnetwork.com/?sid=551505
What Peaked at the Same Time as Oil Prices? Lots of things.
http://www.theoildrum.com/node/5853
CHART OF THE DAY: Besides The Fed, Nobody Is Buying Agency Debt
http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-who-bought-us-government-deb-2009-10
oops sorry if it’s Mrs Snoot or even Ms…
OP
IMO … the Market sure are rigged !
Notice that the Bell-Weather INTC came in tonight with apparently excellent results !
How convenient !
( I remember when Craig Barret was Bush’s first visitir in the WH .. actually on his first day )
Expect more green shoots tomorrow folks .. teh US TV MSM will pump this no end IMO !
BTW .. I never have believed INTC’s results and consider it all part of the pump machine that got the DJIA so high.
The biggest PC unit sales were NetBooks ( sub 300$ machines ) which surely must have eaten into Intel’s bread-and-butter revenues IMO !
Not to mention that the German website Heise.de reported today that unti sales were up while PC sales revenues were down .
We’ll see what tomorrow brings !
Answer for Mr. Snoot on Coral.
I am currently reading the book titled ‘Heaven+earth’ by Ian Pilmer, a must read to understand earths climatic changes over time.
Coral Reefs have come and gone many times over millions of years, they move typically towards the tropical warm waters. They are unaffected by CO2 and as the oceans are now entering into a long cooling period, they will probably start to shift north in the southern Hem and south in the northern hem.
Ian Pilmer supports all these claims with well researched empirical data.
OP
@Youri:
What you got hanging? An Ice Sample?
“Three Government Reports Point to Fiscal Doomsday
when our leaders have no hard evidence as to what might happen in the future, they can at least claim uncertainty.
But when they have full knowledge of an impending disaster … they have proof of its inevitability in ANY scenario … and they so declare in their official reports … but STILL don’t lift a finger to change course … then they have only one remaining claim:
INSANITY!
And, unfortunately, that’s precisely the situation we’re in today: Three recently released government reports now point to fiscal doomsday for America; and one of the reports, issued by the Congressional Budget Office (CBO), says so explicitly.
http://www.moneyandmarkets.com/three-government-reports-point-to-fiscal-doomsday-4-35722
The government and Wall Street are corrupt. Same old story and you help to show the new methods of corruption, for that I applaud. But a gold backed currency, are you serious? That is a horrible idea. It would limit growth to some variable of gold and make gold to expensive to use for science where it is truly needed. Having a private company in charge of “The Fed”, is obviously criminal and our government is probably going to be the destructive force that kills everything but if there is hope, I doubt it’s gold.
@Neo-Feudal CGPEM
That’s a hull of a rant you had yerself there.
Good ‘un though. Nice piece of work.
@ Black D
“”I’m still amazed by this site:
http://interneteyes.co.uk/
It’s disgusting. It’s like a virtual neo-fascist Italian style citizen’s brigade. It’s spying.”
Get yourself a copy of Orwell’s 1984. Cameras everywhere, shopping your neighbours to the thought police…….
Hey, anyone else starting too think Ilya is an oligarch?!!!
Here is a look at unemployment rates around the world:
GERMANY — Unemployment edged up this year to 7.7 percent in July from an annual rate of 7.3 percent in 2008, but that was down from 8.4 percent in 2007, according to harmonized OECD data. Employment has been kept in check so far by government financial support for workers put on shorter hours in order to avoid mass layoffs.
FRANCE — The increase in French jobless lines has been somewhat tempered by short-work arrangements and government incentives such as exempting payroll taxes for some workers. The unemployment rate rose to 9.2 percent in July from 7.8 in 2008, according to the OECD. It is expected to hit 10 percent by the end of the year.
BRITAIN — Unemployment hit a nearly 13-year high of 7.9 percent in July. The number of people out of work looks on course to pass the three million mark next year as the impact of the recession translates to rising dole queues. However, the number losing their jobs has fallen from spring highs.
SPAIN — Spain has gone from being a European model for growth, creating more than a third of all new euro-zone jobs over the past decade, to having the region’s highest unemployment rate. This stems mainly from the collapse of a construction boom and a credit-fueled consumer spending spree over the past two years.
The OECD charts the rise in unemployment as moving from 8.3 percent in 2007 to 11.3 percent in 2008 and 17.6 percent this July.
IRELAND — The story is similar in Ireland, where unemployment has surged from 4.6 percent in 2007 to 6 percent in 2008 and 13.3 percent in July.
KOSOVO — The Balkan nation is one of the poorest in Europe, and not a member of the OECD club. With stagnant growth, its unemployment rate was 46.3 percent in 2007, according to the International Labor Organization. That may include the so-called “gray economy,” in which people are paid under the table.
JAPAN — Japan’s unemployment rate actually dipped to 5.5 percent in August after reaching 5.7 percent in July, the highest level in Japan’s post-World War II era, amid mounting job and wage cuts. Still, the total number of jobless in August rose 32.7 percent from a year earlier to 3.61 million. The number of temporary workers has surged in recent years, reaching around a third of the work force in the world’s No. 2 economy. The plight of these workers, who with little job security have born the brunt of the recession, has stirred emotions in Japan.
CHINA — The official urban unemployment rate was 4.3 percent for the three months ended June 30 but the actual level could be more than double that because the government system ignores millions of migrant workers and employees who are furloughed by state companies but not recorded as laid off. As of June 30, there were 9 million registered unemployed people in an urban work force of 210 million, according to a spokesman for the Ministry of Human Resources and Social Security, Yin Chengji.
As many as 30 million migrants are believed to have lost jobs in export-oriented factories in late 2008, government officials said. Some are believed to have found work on construction projects financed by Beijing’s stimulus but no figures have been reported.
INDIA — The picture is even less clear in India where the government does an official employment survey only about once every five years. Ninety percent of the work force is in the so-called informal sector.
MEXICO — Mexico’s unemployment rate rose to 6.28 percent in August, the highest rate in more than 13 years, according to The National Statistics Institute. The jobless rate among the country’s roughly 45 million workers was up from 4.2 percent in August 2008. President Felipe Calderon has announced reforms to ease red tape and lower costs for investors in public works projects to foster job growth. The government also started paying one-third of the salaries of automotive workers to curb layoffs at the plants.
BRAZIL — Unemployment in Brazil reached 8.1 percent in August, remaining stable over the last two months. The figure shows a drop in the jobless rate from its peak of 9 percent in March. Brazil emerged from recession in the second quarter of this year and analysts are now predicting the economy will expand slightly in 2009.
SOUTH AFRICA — The unemployment rate in South Africa hovered at 23.6 percent in this year’s second quarter, according to the country’s statistics office. That was up slightly from 23.1 percent in the April-June quarter of 2008, as South Africa is mired in its first recession since 1992.
@Neo-Feudal Casino-Gulag Plantation Economy Minion,..phew!!,….you gotta nickname?
BTW,..excellent post,….not that I don’t appreciate most posts on here, it’s just that you must have put a lot of thought and energy into that one,…….so you deserve a pat on the back,….IMO,…: )
Correction: ‘Andalucia’
Maybe check out Almeria (close to Granada and Murcia) – where the Spaghetti Westerns were filmed..
@Phil “A second Great Depression is still possible”
This is realy funny cause we are still just in the middle of the first one which will express itself further in 2010 – 2012 and they are already talking about a second one!? ahahahahaha! I thoght we are the dommers gloomers so maybe they getting envious.
@frances snoot
I donnow I think I want to hang a total science point (Ice samples read my lips Ice samples) of view simply on the coral reef. We can perfectly live without one. Since it’s underwater nobody sees it anyways and what you can’t see doesn’t exist acording to a lot of dupes so just lets forget about it.
@Dedo “……you remind me of one of my old teachers,..!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-S54bbX6eA
“…..somtin D, O, O economics….” ahahahaha! Masterly!
I take it as an compliment cause this teacher is the sane guy with his Fluor-head audience/pupils.
So, you better listen to me guys ahahah!
@WL
Spain is the place. The 7 year available supply of housing is mostly on the coast. The weather in Andalcia in the Winter is really good. In the Summer it can hit 50degrees in Seville. Perhaps Cadiz is a great bet. The quality of life is fantastic, the food second to none and it’s cheap and going to get cheaper. These people go out all the time – you won’t find a better casual lifestyle anywhere in Europe.
On Topic – if investigated, it seems likely to me that they find something which could be connected to insider information and so on, couldn’t that just make a bigger scare in the market than what already is? Could such a investigation potentially lead to a new crack on wall street? That is.. if the bankers gets scared of the investigation?
@BlackDouglas
I was comparing to Eastern Europe. I think you are right though, another wave of price collapse is imminent, would like to have some areas scoped out to be able to strike upon opportunities. For us it is a winter home and no need to work there, looking for casual lifestyle, Decent weather in the winter is a must. Hopefully near water.
@Neo-Feudal Casino-Gulag Plantation Economy Minion
Agreed,
You can’t outrun the Grizzly bear, you only need to outrun the guy beside you,,,,,
@WL,
“guess the cost of living is higher in Southern Europe.”
You mean compared to N. Europe? Not a cat’s chance. It’s super expensive in the North and the South generally has the best quality of life; cheap food and booze, sunshine, transport etc. Gettin laid is more problematic.. Spain is the best place to go. The lifestyle is fantastic and the economy is going under so if you have the gold and don’t need to earn a living, move here.
Ilya what are you a freaking pimp?
@Neo-Feudal Casino-Gulag Plantation Economy Minion that was excellent and pertinent commentary. Your mention of the FDA(which is another captured regulatory body) creates annuities out of patients vs letting researchers really find “cures”. Cures unfortunately remove a customer.
In other news,
http://board.upmaxclub.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=34869.0;attach=58585;image
Now that the big boys have theirs they seem to be giving those they were supposed to help the double birds aka extend and pretend…maybe they should change the name of HAFA to HAHA(Housing Ain’t Healthy Anymore)..
JPMorgan Proposes More ‘Extend and Pretend’ for Mortgage Modifications
http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2009/10/jpmorgan-proposes-more-extend-and.html
Folks, I concluded a while ago that the rot in the system is pervasive, runs from top to bottom, and is largely unfixable. You have oligarchs, powerful and rich familes and corporations, who are having their bought-and-paid-for politicians operate the country for their personal enrichment, at the direct expense of everyone else. Unlike an economy where greater overall prosperity raises all ships, the paradigm of these oligarchs is feudal – everything is zero sum. In order for them to win more, you need to lose more. By you, I mean the taxpayer, or the investor.
They own and operate the US now like their personal vending machine/casino, where they alone get access to the loaded dice and the pedal below the roulette wheel. The design of the paradigm is decidedly antipodal to prosperity – it’s all about you losing so they can have more. It’s the antithesis of prosperity for all.
I think things are going to get way, way worse. Lately, I’ve been researching the level of corruption in the pharmaceutical arena, and the utter control big pharma has over the reporting of science and medecine, as well as its absolute sway over how doctors treat the plethora of “new” diseases that essentially turn entire populations into pill poppers. It’s every bit as bad as the financial markets. Maybe worse.
My point is that absolute power and wealth enable one to control the safeguards that were put into place to protect populations. By co-opting politicians and capturing regulators, the bad man is allowed to come into the room and do whatever he wants, whenever he likes – and the captured media merely pretends that it can’t hear the cries for help or investigate the countless damaged lives. It’s as bad as Russia under the communists, or perhaps worse.
If that seems like an exaggeration, consider how poorly the dollar has done in the last year. The world is telling the US that it is finished supporting its bankrupt lifestyle and crooked economy. As an example, the dollar is down about 31% against the yen in a year. That’s a 31% decrease in real world buying power against the currency of a stagnating country in the grip of its own financial turmoil, going on 20 years now. Your dollar now buys 31% less of everything than if you’d just parked it in yen for the last 12 months.
You don’t read about that much, huh? That’s because it runs counter to the party line, and would cause any even semi-coherent human to calculate what return they’d need to see in the markets just to stay even. And we can’t have the unwashed rubes figuring out that they’d need to see 40% ROI per year just to keep up with currency devaluation and inflation (that’s where things like commodities cost way more today than a year ago, like gold or silver or copper or zinc or anything else of real worth). No, you can’t have the average Joe figuring out that he would have to outperform SAC Capital just to stay even with his wealth erosion, as then nobody would play in the crooked, rigged casino that are the US markets, and the criminal elite couldn’t continue to rob America blind while their regulators assist.
I think we are entering a period of the elimination of the American middle class as we know it. Just as in the 50′s, where a gas station attendant could support a family, house and car on his salary, the current two-earner family struggling to remain prosperous (if living in a McMansion and being in hoc to the gills is prosperity) will be an anachronism within 10 years. It will be extinct, just as our gas station attendant’s reality is extinct. In place will be a ridiculously indebted nation of working poor and uber rich, where the juice of the nation was sucked dry by those uber rich special interests, and where the working poor have little chance of ever attaining anything remotely like the American Dream.
Think I’m exaggerating? Consider Britain from the 50′s to the 70′s, and how the middle class there virtually evaporated. The most powerful empire in the world at its time was reduced to an also-ran within a generation or so, the butt of bad dental hygiene jokes and not much else.
We are there. We don’t manufacture anything anymore. We don’t even design much anymore. That’s all been outsourced. What we do is borrow money from China and the Middle East, and then launch wars with that borrowed money right in their back yards – and it’s getting more and more expensive to do so every month, and they are undoubtably getting tired of it. We borrow money to buy things we can’t afford and we don’t need, all the while as the mantra that we are still “The Best Country In The World” is repeated by a press hell bent on whitewashing the huge spots of metastizing rot that now characterize our systems.
I don’t see how this ends well.
5 year DOW,
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/cbuilder?ticker1=INDU%3AIND
5 year Venezuela,
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/cbuilder?ticker1=IBVC%3AIND
Case closed.
As for this stock manipulation? There is a very simple answer: kill them.
The “free market” is for suckers.
BTW, no one has yet to prove that China, Russia, Japan, Korea, etc, have bought a single red cent of US debt this year. Just because they say they have is clearly not evidence…
It’s a lie. Seriously: exactly how fucking braindead do you think these countries are anyway??? Just as you and I wouldn’t touch a T-bill with a ten kilometer line of interest-free credit, do you honestly think China and Russia are still buying Us debt denominated in cow patties??? It’s fucking absurd.
“The Soviet Union fell because of Central Planning”
Oh, please! The SU was a Controlled Demolition by Russia, in anticipation of a new world order – how can anyone not see that??? The SU were not fucking idiots! For chrissakes! What crap.
@WL
Sorry to hear about your marital problems. It’s unfortunate that wives are not more open-minded…
duh Phil sdr is made up of .44 US dollars per unit
try equal ratios
Correction@frances .. nice find !
Ignore that last calculation please !
1 SDR = 1.59 US$
Which makes the exchange rates in fact correct !
( 1.48 = 1.59 / 1.07 )
I have some inherited property near Lake Prespa/Lake Ohrid (where the Roman emperors vacationed), about 6,000 sq ft, meter-thick stone walls, and around 25-30 acres of orchards with concrete irrigation canals winding through, in a town of about 300 people…all yours for $400K. Let me know
Blink, wink. Phil, your gold price will go upsey downsey dropsey flopsey I’m afraid.
see I am acting my part…cackle cackle
Because won’t there be forces to strengthen the dollar vs IMF manipulation? Say that huge deflationary collapse coming on and the derivative defaults?
what a f*cking mess
Denninger deflects blame on two individuals:
“What did Turbo Timmy and Bendover Bernanke think they were trying to pull?”
How ridiculous is that?
@frances .. nice find !
All currencies shown versus SDR :
http://coinmill.com/SDR_calculator.html#SDR=1
Euro-SDR = 1.07
US$ SDR = 0.63
1.07 / 0.63 = 1.698 $/Euro
So maybe the US$ drop has a way to go yet ?
( we are at 1.482 right now )
PS: that would put Gold at ca. 1,216$
“In essence: the monetary community increased its global liquidity position, by assuming that the U.S. is still the defacto reserve currency, and forcing it to take the majority of the devaluation hit relative to all other IMF constituents.
Well done, Ben.”
How does ‘Tyler’ put the responsibility of this on Ben? The liquidity injection was in counterplay to the coming basel-ii regulations coming out of the Basel Committee, due to go global on Jan 01. The IMF allocated the money fiat *poof* due to a vote from the G20 bankers. Deflecting blame on the Fed when it resides with the BIS/IMF is only gratiutous for the guilty parties. All the central banks are working in collusion with the directives coming out of Basel.
@Ilya Kuryakin
Even after prices have crashed, I think I can swing it as a second home. There must be some nice reasonably priced place, guess the cost of living is higher in Southern Europe.
As for women, my wife might not go for that as a selling feature, but I could try.
I’m still amazed by this site:
http://interneteyes.co.uk/
It’s disgusting. It’s like a virtual neo-fascist Italian style citizen’s brigade. It’s spying.
@Ilya Kuryakin .. Romania
This guy I know will be visiting this weekend from Romania.
He is more than happy there .. prices way low .. girls are nice … and opportunities for business that he says would be impossible else where !
FWIW
Zerohedge has an article about the IMF manipulating the dollar value through sdr allocation:
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/why-did-us-sdr-holdings-increase-five-fold-last-week-august
(The Tyler guy had to update that the total was from IMF allocations (dumb), but the total on the reserve sheet of the Fed is different from the IMF total allocation):
http://www.imf.org/external/np/tre/sdr/proposal/2009/0709.htm
also allocation is not purchase…and of course the conversion rate is not one to one dollar to sdr:
http://coinmill.com/SDR_USD.html
Here’s Denninger about the issue and Zerohedge article:
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/
When the banks eventually come clean and offload the prices in Spain will go down rapidly. That would be the moment to watch for a ‘winter’ home in Spain, IMHO.
@Mongo …yeah .. I though about that as well .. Blacklisted !
BTW … Just wondering how long the PTB are just going to stand by and watch the US$ falling .
As I said before, I’d expect a coordinated CB effort to buy dollars soon …we’ll see !
PS:
It’s be interesting to see if they “all” cooperate this time !
@WL
“I’ve been looking to buy a second “winter” home in southern France, Spain or Portugal”
I was looking at Spain years ago but it’s way over-priced – even now. Southern France, unless you’re pretty rich, is big money as well. Very big. Probably better off with a Black Sea property in Romania or Bulgaria – I can vouch for the women!
@Phil, LOL for a moment I thought Max was banned or something .. tragic that such though even can come to pass .. but given the retard world we live in…
Max / On the edge … on Blacklisted News
http://www.blacklistednews.com/news-5935-0-5-5–.html
I just got around to listening to Sibel’s full deposition last night. Talk about disturbing. I don’t think her claims will be investigated, either, because, like torture, the people at the very top would be implicated. Sibel said that the people running the show used the NYT and the Washington Post to print propaganda that they wanted to get out. It doesn’t take too much of a leap of logic to imagine that Cheney had Richard Armitage out Valerie Plame to Robert Novak @ the Washington Post to stop her from investigating nuclear proliferation within the United States. Sibel claims that Marc Grossman was responsible for shutting Plame down, but we know it was Armitage who went to the WaPost.
Besides just implicating treasonous individuals at the top levels of government, US citizens would have a hard time realizing that the US via the CIA is responsible for spreading radical Islam throughout the world for the purpose of destabilizing countries so that we can go fight the “terrorists” we created (and funded) and gain control of oil/gas resources at the same time.
Anyway . . . bad news for the US/CIA today: Russia and China made a $3.5 billion gas deal:
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSTRE59C0OG20091013
This guy is looking for a us$ bottom too…but look what happens if it doesn’t….
USD And “Take US to Your Leader”
http://inpoints.blogspot.com/2009/10/usd-and-take-us-to-your-leader.html
Justice Department pressured to open its vast database to The People
….First he tackled the SEC and got his way. Now he has targeted the U.S. Justice Department, demanding that it stop using its vast storehouses of data as a profit center and give it, not sell it, to the public. “How can we be a nation of laws “if the laws are locked up behind a cash register, stamped with an unwarranted copyright assertion and then shrink-wrapped in a license agreement, creating a private parcel from the public domain?” And just as he pushed the SEC in the early 1990’s by putting the agency’ data online, he already has uploaded over 20-million court documents in a free online site. Read more….
http://www.edgareview.com/2009/justice-department-pressured-to-open-its-vast-database-to-the-people/
Here, Youri. LUNCH.
http://overheard.loveneverfails.ca/blog/wp-content/uploads/2006/07/balut.jpg
@Dedo:
LOL.
Anyone? Anyone?
I’ve been looking to buy a second “winter” home in southern France, Spain or Portugal
any good areas to consider or not?
Youri:
Carbon cycle disruption/ph imbalance ocean/ disappearing coral.
Listening to AJS with Dr. Joel D. Wallach who says RAW eating is good. What was I talking about yesterday………exactly RAW! Raw milk, RAW egg,…..
Raw deer meat. It’s delicious nam, nam!
http://englishrussia.com/?p=2409
Raw Herring, eaten in Holland. It’s delicious nam,nam! http://oddee.com/item_96534.aspx
@Youri,……you remind me of one of my old teachers,..!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C-S54bbX6eA&feature=related
@frances snoot
reefs??? Why don’t you ask the question again. Coral reefs?
The markets have been rigged since Rothschild took over England in 1694.
re the other thing: A sensible North American or Brit with at least $300K, should be looking to relocate to South America – Venezuela, Brazil, Argentina – or China or Russia in the near future.
Personally I have narrowed my choices dow to Venezuela or the Russian Black Sea coast – will decide after attendind Socchi Olympics.
Corrections can take place in time and or price…we could correct in price by 10% or 5% or time alone ie flat line…he basically is saying the upthrust of move is over with regard to magnitude.
The only problem I have with these type of analysis’s is he says everyone is bullish…who’s everyone? It would seem the universe of money managers willing to even consider gold is growing day by day. The % of total assets devoted to the asset class is minimal across the spectrum of managers. If we were living in static times his logic on bullishness may hold but for some reason I think that is changing.
A second Great Depression is still possible
http://blogs.ft.com/economistsforum/2009/10/a-second-great-depression-is-still-possible/
@WL .. of course !
@Phil
No, no no no no no no no
Lies I tells ya, all lies, nothin but lies, they want your gold
Go GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLLLLLLLLD
HIHO SIIIIIIIIIILLLLVVVER
GO PAAAAALLLAAAADDDDIIIUUUMMMM
BTW, did anyone notice that oil is at a critical breakout.
@Youri:
Wow. The BBC got it wrong on global warming. What a surprise, eh?
You must feel swell! But why no answers to my question about the reefs???
@Phil:
Doesn’t volitility mean the dollar does go up, then down, then up, then……
Anyway that’s what Max predicted: 20% variance (I think he said in a day, but not sure timeframe)
@Phil, what kind of moves are we talking about in regards to the dollar?.. I mean gold going back under $1000?.. give me some hope for one last silverrush :>
Be warned … US$ may go up ….
Update on “How High Gold?”
…Tony Cherniawski gives an urgent update on the last video on gold. If you are a gold fan, you may want to view this video….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3BZgcU6E4rc&feature=sub
I also expect the PTB not to just standby and watch !
My guess is that CBs will be asked to support the US$ very soon!
The criminals responsible for these activities will not miss a beat as their wealth has probably moved offshore and into different countries. The standard of living for the vast majority will decline. Those with pensions will probably fare better than those without but those days will be gone, too.
I wonder what would happen to the value of the debts if the actual currency those debts were denominated in ceased to exist?
How The Printing Press Is Leading To The Demise Of The U.S.A.
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-how-printing-press-leading-demise-usa
Phil,
Max Pain is just a euphenism. Its totally corrupt and destructive for the individual ‘investor’ unless you trace the footprint of the huge Pig or Elephant and follow their momentum very closely or you are able to simply hedge each and every OE Racketeering Week on simple faith which is not a bad play.
The BBC’s amazing U-turn on climate change http://tinyurl.com/yjgmeq6
What happened to global warming? Climate correspondent, BBC News http://tinyurl.com/yzw5chr
German Investor Sentiment Drops on Economic ‘Realism’http://tinyurl.com/yft5rp2
Metal Users Curb Hedging After Orders Drop, Deutsche Bank Says http://tinyurl.com/yf7t9du
Capmark Said to Near Bankruptcy Filing http://tinyurl.com/yhavrd5
CIT Prepackaged Bankruptcy http://tinyurl.com/yg4do77
Treasury Bond Rally Fails the Asset-Bubble Test http://tinyurl.com/yko58qk
Bankers Will Follow Hedge Funds to Switzerland http://tinyurl.com/yzpzedf
@buddhabob … agree 100%
The games of the options gangsters are well known.
http://www.optionpain.com/MaxPain/Max-Pain.php
There are MANY stocks that have a habit of hitting MaxPain right on the nail .. despite fundamentals !
For those that do not know … MaxPain is the share-price at which the option writers pay out the least to honor open calls and puts.
It changes from day-to-day … so a high share-price and / or option volatility can scare people to sell or also entice people to buy before the options expire.
Dr. Berninger in Hamburg – German banks change the “Terms of Business ” as of 31.10.2009
Unfortunately in German, but the just is that the conditions have been changed effectively and generally to the disadvantage of the customer …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM2i8nRGiHs&feature=sub
e.g. if the bank goes BK or is “frozen”, the bank has 6 weeks in which to react ( to the customer’s demand for money ).
My comment on this is a call to Max. I wish that he would investigate the obvious racketeering the goes on monthly on Options Expiration Week. With high probability each month, the thugs at Goldman on the prop desks and the other Pigmen regularly reverse the prevailing momentum of the Market and sometimes rather dramatically during this week, usually beginning on the Monday before the OE Friday. This is done clearly to vaporize hapless retail and others who hold winning options on stocks and indexes. Therefore if the Market momentum is up, they sell heavy and vaporize calls, if the Market momentum has been down they buy heavy and vaporize puts. This happenes every single friggin month and people stand around with their thumbs up their asses. Today Goldman gets a downgrade out of nowhere. Their stock has been running straight up for the last month and leading the Market. No what would be the motivation for that? Those who have written the call options will not have to pay premiums on GS now since they torched it in a big gap down at the open. Blankfein probably initiated the sell on his own company via this ‘analyst’ who no doubt got a call in the middle of the night. People think I’m joking but I am not. These people are literally the biggest theives the World has ever known because they do it on a regular basis behind an opaque screen of obscure language and Congeressional bribery. So Blanfein will eat his own children this morning for breakfast if it means neutralizing all the calls he wrote to sell on his own stock a month ago.
@Phil,……Cheers bud!!
@Dedo .. cache
I presume you’re clicking on the “Empty now” button ?
I agree , it doesn’t give you an Alert when it’s finished, but it does delete the Cache.
Also, I advise “Empty on Close” to be checked.
I use a NTFS RAMDISK as Cache …. and use the memory above 3GB. Works fine.
The ramdisk thus created gets deleted on reboot or when I exit Opera ( see above setting ).
Opera uses not only disk cache but also (spare) memory as well.
Nice to see you using Opera .. I’m using the so-called Version 10 Beta.
It’s takes some time to get to know all the options and preferences available — but the functionality is amazing.
Trying to use e.g. FF after Opera – to me – is like getting a dead horse to move !
IE is so primitive in comparison IMO !
BTW … I was looking at shares of Opera ( OPESF.PK ) , they’re not doing too badly
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=OPESF.PK
Of course with ( supposedly) less than 1% browser share, it could go a long way.
BTW …
I do not believe the 1% , as Opera is available on more devices than any other browser — Including the Nintendo DSi … which my son uses to browse the net ( WLAN ) when he should be asleep !
http://www.grinningplanet.com/mp3-news/index.htm
interesting news site….
Caught On Tape: A Naked Swindle http://tinyurl.com/ycgw7ft
‘Wall Street’s Naked Swindle’ Matt Taibbi Vid http://tinyurl.com/ycnncw9
@Phil,…….off topic,…..so don’t be alarmed,..haha
anyway,….how do I delete my cache,..I’m using Opera.
This is what I’m doing,……go to tools,..then advanced,..then cache,…but can’t seem to delete?!!
And don’t go all techy on me,… KISS,..(keep it simple stupid)
U.S. Stocks Primed for Takeovers, Goldman Sachs Says (Update1)
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=arDMxXaxhW5M
duh
ITS ALL FUN AND GAMES UNTIL SOMEONE LOSES A EYEBALL THEN ITS JUST FUN
THE FED GOING TO LOSE A EYEBALL
AUDIT THE FED
Another test,…….
Those clips are epic by now
@mother
http://en.gravatar.com/
A Secret Deal Between Wall Street and Washington Shines a Harsh Light on Federal Housing Agency
By PAM MARTENS
http://www.counterpunch.org/martens10122009.html
Central banks abandoning dollar for euro and yen. Dollar teeters as Obama continues to bail out Wall Street whores and shysters.
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20602081&sid=a4x9dIJsPn4U
La Jolla Democrats OK 1% Tobin Tax On Derivatives
http://www.rense.com/general88/cali.htm
http://www.newstin.com/tag/us/150328971
Shooting of Prominent IMF Economist Baffles Police
http://www.wjla.com/news/stories/1009/666906.html
From January 7, 2008
Sibel Edmonds, Turkey and the Bomb
A Real 9/11 Cover-Up?
By DAVE LINDORFF
http://www.counterpunch.org/lindorff01072008.html
By the way, can anyone explain how do I set my avatar?
@Phil
Its always nice to see my own video’s posted
@M&S … Great Remix …. I agree 100%.
It’s amazing how many “investors” have never heard of the PPT. I remember arguing with people as to it’s very existence.
Notice they “stopped” their activities on 31.12.2008 :
http://www.newyorkfed.org/markets/omo/dmm/temp.cfm?SHOWMORE=TRUE
I guess they now operating “undercover” !
Keep your eyes open for Matt Taibbi’s Rolling Stone article titled “Wall Street’s Naked Swindle” which discusses “naked short selling”. It’s currently available in print form, but hasn’t been posted online yet. It’s a good article on the subject and hopefully will start a wider conversation on this subject – much like Michael Moore has done with his film.
@Stacy:
Did anyone post this from the Jones site?
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/news/2009/09/full_text_of_newsmax_column_suggesting_military_co.php?ref=fpblg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YR71GnQ4CU4 a behind the scenes look at careers with goldman sachs. those these guys here would likely do a better job at running the real economy.
CIT about to go BUST:-
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=avvzl__iWEhM
Mike
Predictions are for gypsies (suite):
In the ultimate shootout with ChinaRussia, GS is going to lose.
Bill Moyers, Marcy Kaptur & Simon Johnson:
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/10092009/watch.html
@stacy
You know, you can say “TOLD YA SO!” if you like