Stacy Summary: From what I can tell looking at history, all peoples of every empire at its peak, just before its imminent collapse, belligerently maintain their lifestyles at all cost to their own wealth and their own chance of survival. For a number of reasons, you cannot talk them into saving themselves.
While thousands upon thousands of hours are spent in America, for example, trying to prove that spewing exhaust and carbon into the air is, in fact, perfectly natural with zero cost and that there is, also, in fact, (according to one Big Oil study) enough fresh water, fertile land and oil to provide for a doubling of the global consumer class for thousands of years into the future, Americans (most who, by the way, believe the Earth is only a few thousand years old) continue to insist with an almost religious fervor on getting from point A to point B in the most inefficient manner.
Again, from my reading of history, it is impossible to fight this sort of end of empire bankruptcy of morals, wealth and, most importantly, ideas. The American empire and her citizens want to blow it on oil, so that’s how they will do it. No amount of science or reasoning can stop them. And as they will use any means necessary to get whatever oil remains, it makes no sense to try to develop your own economy using a resource that the Empire has devoted all their military might toward securing. The British, Dutch, French, Germans and other Europeans did not dare stand in the way of Spain’s maniacal quest for gold in the New World; instead, they took the gold-less lands and with them developed manufacturing and trade routes in sugar, cotton, wheat, fur, etc.
For those not emotionally attached to the old ideas and decaying lifestyle of empire and her oligarchies, there is actually amazing opportunity to build your own systems. So here are some articles on progress at the edge of that empire. As you can see, it is still trial and error phase. Many will fail, but something new will emerge to lead us to the next phase of human history. Notice in many of the articles, Germany and China are the barbarians at the gate in terms of dominating the manufacturing of new technologies, while the US is often seen buying in technologies. The Spanish at one time had practically all the gold in the world, but had to spend that gold on buying goods from the British, Dutch, French, Germans, etc – i.e, those nations that could not afford to indulge in such violence and stupidity.
Hertz is increasing the size of its fleet and adding more mid to large-size luxury vehicles. Apparently the company thought consumers would want more small compact vehicles over the summer. Instead they got tons of complaints. He said rental customers doesn’t worry about mpg; they want to enjoy themselves.
Meanwhile, China is spending $221 billion of its $586 billion 2009 stimulus package on renewable energy and other clean technologies, and is poised to overtake Germany and Japan to become the world’s largest alternative energy producer. Another spur to development is a 2007 policy requiring large utilities to produce 3 percent of their power from renewable sources by 2010 and 8 percent by 2020, excluding hydroelectric (20 percent by 2020 is proposed in the Clean Energy and Security Act). China’s five-year plan that starts in 2011 will include even higher standards and subsidies to support clean energy development.
Though aspects of it may violate the WTO, China has a coherent industrial policy to capture global leadership, while US initiatives are fragmented. China recognized that the real economic development potential in renewable energy is in manufacturing, which comprises 70 -75 percent of the jobs in solar, and now has more than 100 solar companies that account for one-third of global solar component production.
Following European producers, China’s largest solar panel producer, Suntech Power Holdings, will soon build a plant in the United States. The company plans on selling panels at below cost in order to build market share. The New York Times reports that the factory, which will employ 75 to 150 workers, will be located in the Southwest. Other Chinese manufacturers will follow. States will no doubt compete in offering subsidies to attract these plants.
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@Mike2liverpool – duuuude
Good leadership would change everything. People largely follow the flock, and if the lead sheep is a jackal in wooly clothing, follow they do.
The way to change this is to help new zero point or “near free” energy development in the U.S. It simultaneously breaks the grid, begins the move away from nonrenewable energy, creates new jobs from scientific through skilled labor and labor, and introduces the precious new mindset (or “worldview” to use anthro-speak.)
Of course, with the master criminals presiding over the collapsing empire, none of this will happen. It’s up to you and me to do it.
China is sh*tting in its own nest:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102×3617440
http://www.arlingtoninstitute.org/wbp/global-water-crisis/457
The IMF has not ended nor has its power seen decline: how then to call this the collapse of empire?
What gets me is that the lemmings take everyone else over the cliff with them.
The scare resources could be stretched out, we could stopped over populating the planet. But that might require people to have to “imagine there’s no heaven”. Whilst Inca’s sacrificed children in the hope of rainwater, what will the religious zealots of the world do to distroy us all?
We have all kinds of idiots here. The most dangerous, where the environment is concerned, are the Republicans. From Democracy Now!:
Senate Republicans To Boycott Climate Change Work Session
In other news from Capitol Hill, Senate Republicans on the Environment and Public Works Committee have announced plans to boycott this week’s work session on a climate-change bill, in a move aimed at thwarting Democratic efforts to advance the legislation quickly. Under committee rules, at least two Republicans are needed for Chair Barbara Boxer to hold the work sessions that would give senators an opportunity to amend the legislation and then vote to approve it in the panel. Republicans on the committee include Sen. James Inhofe of Oklahoma who has described global warming as the “greatest hoax ever perpetrated on the American people.”
@ Stacey
I think all the Real History is in the Vatican Library in one of those Rooms where nobody is allowed to go into.And i find it Real Strange that Hitler never attacked the Vatican . I mean Some of the artifacts there would be worth millions of Dollars but , No cant go there mate wont go there mate, Blimey thats sacred ground. I guy like Genhis Khan woulda said “I’am kicking in the Door ! watch out !” FOOD FOR THOUGHT
The common rule of any Empire is to re write its history so that it will favour them when they come into Power again . So the average Joe thinks that oh well this is what is written in the history books must me true .
The first un manned aircraft was made by an indian 8 years before the Wright Brothers when Suddenly the British told the then Puppet King in India to Withdraw all Funding .Finally an American Company bought the technology.So after we now see that the People are out right lying what is it to Say they havent lied about History
@Stacy
Added one box of Godiva chocolate to the bottle of Brunello..
It’s nice to see a Stacy Herbert original. Very good ideas here.
I hope Max never stops calling (sh)it like it is, but this is also a great theme: what comes next, what should come next and how do we get there.
A+
@Bonn – yep, the Mongols, Turks, Spanish, Romans are still waiting to be in power again . . . the Chinese are finally close after waiting two and a half thousand years . . .
@Mother earth – you better not be jive talking me on that Brunello . . .
@Stacy:
The Chinese are a part of the G20 and have a sitting head on the UN Security Council. What empire are you invisioning? It is an extension of the IMF/BIS hegemony with crop-rotation and new pastureland for the milch cows.
China is an example of a central-hub totalitarian nightmare.
The more ruthless an Empire is the longer they tend to stay After Gengis Khan his son slowly lost power cause of a bad decison of trying to Invade Japan when a Typhoon hit em. 350,000 people died beforethey could Really launch an attack ROFL thats when the Gengis Khan’s Empire started to Crumble . And How many troops have the US got Outside USA . I read somewhere they have 700 Bases world wide LOL And the Empire Crumbles like a pooky sorry Cookie
@Stacy,..You should know by now, Mother’s a tease!
It reminds me of the ole ticket touts outside some of the clubs in Amsterdam,..very cunning and persuasive
THE US EMPIRE IS SYNONYMOUS WITH THE IMF
@frances snoot – I’m open minded about what the future, which I cannot predict, holds; from what I can see in front of me, however, I am pretty sure that we are witnessing the last years of the American empire
@Stacy .. nice essay .. thanks.
@Stacy – For those not emotionally attached to the old ideas and decaying lifestyle of empire and her oligarchies, there is actually amazing opportunity to build your own systems.
Good thinking, reminds me of this quote which James Sinclair had up a couple of days ago:
–Eric Hoffer – Longshoreman, Philosopher
@Stacy:
If one means American real economy, then yes. If one terms empire in the coaching of a currency, then dollar centralized hegemony, yes. If one defines American empire as the banking interests operating out of the IMF/BIS hegemony which have destroyed sovereign interests since the inception of the conglomerate, no.
I find it odd the intense prejudice against a region and not an accompanying distrust in the banking interests that developed and maintained USmilitary imperialism.
If the same power is operating through different names, would the empire be considered ‘over’ or could one say that the true power is now making itself manifest. Scapegoating is a means of transferring culpability whilst maintaining advantage.
@Will – wow, thanks, that’s an awesome quote; and so true; it really feels like one of those historic turning points and it is no doubt tied to this collapse of an empire, of a system; but historically, while these times are obviously bad to various regions or localities, eventually the change comes no matter what is done to try to stop it, new ideas flourish and people adapt and move forward
The future sees mass starvation and disease planned and abetted by an elite-driven machine set to transfer land and assets from the operating agency to the monarchal interests. The elite need only step aside and let the damaged and damaging corpeaus mundi feed on its own flesh.
@Stacy:
By adaption are you including reference to the obligatory transfer of wealth to the few from the many due to fiat currency collapse maintained by the IMF sdr-manipulations?
@frances snoot – when writing of empire, I mentioned its systems & oligarchies; these too will fail with them, that includes for me the IMF, the World Bank & the banking oligarchy; history has thrown us many seemingly indomitable oligarchies and powerful men like this before; none of them survived the bankrupting of their national populations so I doubt they will survive the bankrupting of the global population
I can already see the green shoots of new financial systems and alternative means of exchange and currencies
I can already see the green shoots of new financial systems and alternative means of exchange and currencies
So can these guys:
http://images.theglobeandmail.com/archives/RTGAM/images/20070729/wdip0729/riotpolice350.jpg
http://theburningplatform.com/economy/the-nanny-state
More stacy blogs please. Too much male bravado round here, can’t beat a woman’s touch
Historians will also tell you that hindsight is the soundest vision. It’s not that no-one really knows what’s going on at the time, but depending what happens next, it always looks different in retrospect.
There was no certainty that the Roman Empire would disintegrate the way it did – there were a number of possible scenarios – although everyone would probably have agreed that things were changing, and needed to change.
The Spanish empire develps differently from the French and British versions because of its primacy in the failing Holy Roman Empire. It has different options and priorities (like running the Lowlands, stifling Britain, outflanking France).
Generally, the bigger empires get (and they to keep getting bigger, like a ponzi scheme or Zionist conceit) the harder they are to manage, the less efficient their returns. At some point outer pressures exceed inner ones and things begin to collapse.
Amerika is definitely in decline, but it’s hard to say how things will change. Frankly I think China is as likely to collapse through internal friction. A lot of money is saying the next big war is between India and China over control on the Himalayas and water.
Where would Amerika stand in that one? Well back with hands in pockets, I should think.
@frances snoot – nice picture; but it is a greenshoot of change – for the further an oligarchy goes in terrorizing its people, the closer it draws to its own demise; equally fearsome armies and secret police have been overthrown and even divine kings have suddenly lost legitimacy and then their heads
thats very interesting Stacy, thanks for reminding me of the historical perspective.
We’d be seriously fucked if China became the operative agent for a new world order seeing as the human rights record for China against its owns citizens is abysmal. China is the prototype of a country operating for a profit margin exclusive of the needs of her own citizens.
One should fear the G20 system as the Phoenix operating beneath a rainbow coalition. How so defeat this majestic deception: every operator is tied to a national fiat currency as supreme succour.
The wish to hold gold to retain labor value, the honey pot, is a play into the currency operative’s hands. The only exception would be barter.
As men attempt to save their ‘money’ they will see starvation: the horse is set to be loosed upon the world with the next equinox.
So how long will China’s run last? the soviet union took almost a century to fall, the chinese are overtime. there’s unrest but if enough wealth is spread to the people i don’t think they will rebel yet there are alot of minority groups fed up with the control/imprisonment for organs/restricted freedoms and so on.
Germany most powerful nation again… hope there isn’t a crazy democratic socialist again that is sponsored by american and british bankers/royalty. And clean energy, i know that from here: over 20% is regular power and ever heard of biomass? the burning of natural things like trees count as clean. alot of it is a hoax like the CO2 theory; that nuclear fusion fireball in the sky a million times bigger than the earth is responsible for climate change. Beside ever saw who killed the electric car? most technology is suppressed from the public, the army is ahead 30 years: do you really think that people will get free, clean, renewable, energy? the economy can’t last without oil consumption, not until the new ponzi scheme of emission rights will launch. Alternative energy inventors almost drop dead as fast as micro biologists. If they cared about the environment they would stop dumping toxic waste in the oceans, polluting the air and drinking water and so on. this is all about making money; or as goldman sucks says it: adding liquidity.
The fact that cannabis is the largest cash crop in the US, beating corn and wheat combined, speaks volumes about American entrepreneurial skills. Considering that the US government spends more than this on interdiction efforts and that there is no official market, advertising, distribution system or anything else that other US crops and manufactured goods enjoy, yet the sales figures keep climbing, these facts speak volumes about what would happen if Wall Street and Washington DC would just go away. We are hobbled by our rulers, and we allow it.
Please note this is NOT an argument for legalisation of cannabis – that’s another topic. It’s just an observation about American ingenuity and business acumen.
http://subrealism.blogspot.com/2009/11/militarism-and-extremism.html
STacy all that said I would not assume that mankind will just reinvent itself via a new financial or political set of systems. The average species on the Planet dies off around 50,000 years and it is incorrect to assume a linear progression of our own species. In fact this very assumption by many of the modernists has led to terrible waste and degradation by the uber-capitalists of this era, the Calvinists who first landed in New England, all of the later expansionists,the Spanish colonials,etc.
All these idiots marching towards God and at the same time with God on their side up some illusory yellow brick road towards some ridiculous Emerald City on a hill.
@AM – Cheney/Bush killed the electric car; this fits in with my argument that you cannot stop the empire from destroying itself; the move was a bad one for Americans, but an opportunity for other nations who have since established expertise and technology
expertise? don’t make me laugh, i personally am impressed by the designs of jaque fresco; http://thevenusproject.com/
you can disagree on the social design of the project, but technological it can be implemented today.. humanity is an constant progressing specie but the monetary system holds us back; it is true that oil companies and policies of bush/cheney killed the electric car; but the current technology presented as advanced/futuristic are actually quite primitive. We should be busy colonising and exploring space (which we need a renewable, clean, self sustaining energy source for), not exploiting eachother for paper. A lot of it is explained, i share most of the philosophy/under built with facts technological advancements. Like i said currently the burning of trees counts as green energy, other countries don’t progress that fast either in the 80′s the electric car could drive like 200 miles on 1 charge, The US indeed gave away some economic advantage but still could jump on the bandwagon guess i just have to agree to disagree; i think the technologies are inefficient, for the wrong reasons not even dealing with the real problems and so on.
@Electric cars
A search on AliBaba.com shows the US has 357 listings in the category of electric cars, while China has 100 times more. The UK has 69 entries, and a lot of them are toys.
This is just a seat-of-pants analysis, nothing very scientific, yet it shows how much the culture has changed. If you could go back 100 years, before TV and the Fed and income tax and the creation of the Welfare State (i. e. when there was still an incentive and desire in people (not multinational soullesss corporations) to create new things) you would see a huge difference in attitude in the US and the UK. We and our forebears have elected rulers who think we want & need our sphincters cleaned for us, and now we are reaping the rewards – a generation of genetically modified zombie consumers.
Excellent thread and debate thanks Stacy!
@Mep What are we going to do with those Republicans. #$@%@#@#
@ Stacy
The goldman sachs gang has placed bets on th ecrashing housing market
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/227/story/77791.html
Britain took 70 years, 1870-1940
Soviet took 13 years, 1979-1992
US took 8 years, 2008-2016
The speed at which money, technology, and labour moves is unprecedented. There ain’t going to be a slow unwinding like Britain, or a sustained decline like the Soviet. It’s gonna happen fast: one Friday morning in the new future the DOW will open at 7,000 and hit 1700 by mid day, the dollar will fall 60-80% against most currencies and you will see the most massive single day capital flight the world has ever known.
Texas, California, and Alaska will formally secede from the union almost immediately – or, at the very least, declare themselves autonomous. The farming heartland will follow as will the north-east industrial zone. I doubt that process would take more than a 6 to 12 months. Limited civil war is possible.
Unfortunately for all of us, I think the US will start a global nuclear war before all that happens. A last ditch effort that will FAIL because the major NATO countries will simply NOT be willing to have their cities nuked by Russia for the psychopathic empire’s sake. They may in fact change sides.
May you live in interesting times.
@henk …nice article, but at least 2 years too late .
I remember saying in 2007 that they had shorted the same junk it had sold to foreign banks. There was lots of discussion at the time, and they even reported it in their SEC filings … but NO MSM COVERAGE !
I remember then, some Northern UK council that actually started proceedings against a US bank .. but heard they’d backed off…. probably discovered ( and finally read ) all the contract-small-print that meant they been fooled and had no legal chance.
@Stacey
I thought of a way, you just give me the phone number of a winestore you know, and I’ll make sure you can pick up on of their bottles for free..
Don’t you feel like a climatebabe today?
Preparation is first and foremost. The old saying “Guns, Gold and Ammo”. Buy real things, and just prepare for the slide. What else can most accomplish. I have purchased a manual water pump that mounts on a well cap. Water could be more valuable than gold if civil stability unwinds. Buy real things … figure what is necessary for survival … and stockpile. Conceivably , circumstances will not descend to that level.
@Illya …”. Limited civil war is possible.”
Yes, was thinking the same.
Federal Govt. versus the States.
The Feds have all the military equipment and command the troops …. but will they fire on their own people ?
Answer : Yes, if the people shoot first !
;-(
The probability of Texas leaving the union are nil. Perhaps you have to live here to understand that. Texans are very “patriotic” (brainwashed?) what ever you choose to call it.
@ Gordo – My #1 strategy: oilboard them!
@Mep OilBoard them
Good one Almost died laughing
@Secession of states in US – lots of activity, and the Lakota Nation already made a declaration:
American Secession Project
The first instance will most likely be a smaller, more rural state:
Second Vermont Republic
Since we’re talking about Texas…
Lots more on this subject, and it really won’t take that much more for it to happen in some states.
@Gordo
Texans are very “patriotic”
That will last until they realize they’ll be supporting the rest of the failed state USA – as will California and Alaska. There’s nothing “in it” for them to stay. They would be far better off simply telling the Fed’s to fuck themselves, take over existing military structure and print their own money.
All empires have been destroyed by three things: debt, dumb wars, and capital flight. The three states i mention are the most viable and most likely to keep capital from splitting town, by looking to their own interests. Where politics and economics are involved, there is No “patriotism”.
Actually there is a fourth Destroyer Of Empires, and probably the most important one in certain cases such as Rome and USA: cultural and social decadence.
Anyway, I really don’t think it will be all that complicated to bring about.
Listen here now if you are a climate sceptic
http://www.c-spanvideo.org/program/289742-2
@Mother:
I’m a tax skeptic.
Proof that there are politicians on Mars, Jupiter and Pluto too ~ how else could these planets be subject to Global Warming? Algore’s jet sure can’t fly that high!
@Illya
“There’s nothing “in it” for them to stay. They would be far better off simply telling the Fed’s to fuck themselves, take over existing military structure and print their own money.”
The problem will be the media. They will never get the real message from the media. I can turn on the AM dial down here and all I hear is hatred. There is no discussion of what is actually is the best interest of the people.
You might appreciate the writings of John Michael Greer on the intersections of economics and ecology. His commentaries tilter back and forth between optimism and pessimism, but really his point is that all can be well if we just have the courage to scale back our ambitions.
A Struggle of Paradigms
“[Thomas Kuhn, in his famous book 'The Structure of Scientific Revolutions'] argued that different paradigms are not attempts to answer the same questions, differing in their level of accuracy, but attempts to answer entirely different questions – or, to put it another way, they are models that highlight different features of a complex reality, and cannot be reduced to one another. — The industrial paradigm can only interpret running out of one resource as a call to begin exploiting some even richer one. If there is no richer one, and even the poorer ones are rapidly being depleted as well, what then? From within the industrial paradigm, that question cannot even be formulated; the assumption that there is always some new and better resource to be had is hardwired into the ways of thinking that the industrial paradigm makes inevitable. Thus a change of paradigms is necessary.”
http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2009/04/struggle-of-paradigms.html
Entropy Gets No Respect
“…it took the Earth’s photosynthetic organisms so many millions of years to build up the energy reserves we now squander so freely. Wind and hydroelectric power are both secondhand sunlight, the product of natural cycles driven by the sun; the same is true of every kind of biofuel, of course. Nuclear energy is the one nonsolar energy resource we’ve got, but it has severe problems and limitations of its own, not least the fact that the fossil fuel inputs needed to build, run, and decommission a nuclear reactor are so vast that there’s a real question whether nuclear power is a net energy source at all. — …the prosperity we’ve enjoyed for the last three centuries was bought at our grandchildren’s expense. I sometimes suspect that one of the reasons so many people like to imagine an apocalyptic end to the industrial age is that sudden extinction is easier to contemplate than the experience of slowly waking up to the full extent of our own collective stupidity.”
http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2009/08/entropy-gets-no-respect.html
Survival Isn’t Cost-Effective
“… it’s easy to insist, if you ignore the economic dimension, that a society facing this sort of crisis can save itself by launching a massive program to build nuclear reactors, solar thermal power plants, algal biodiesel, or what have you, and of course this sort of claim has seen endless rehashing over the last couple of decades. The problem is that massive programs of this sort pile additional demands on an already faltering economy. Any such program has to be paid for, after all, and by this I don’t mean that money has to be found for it; in today’s mostly hallucinatory economic climate, conjuring money out of thin air is easy enough. No, it has to be paid out of current economic output, which is much less flexible, and already has to cover the rising costs of resource depletion and pollution. This is the trap hidden in the limits to growth; once those limits begin to bite, the spare economic capacity that would be needed to build one’s way out of trouble no longer exists.”
http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com/2009/06/survival-isnt-cost-effective.html
Apologies, I got carried away with the quotations! It really is an excellent blog: http://thearchdruidreport.blogspot.com
von Mises – The Three Stages of Inflation – We are still very early in the game.
Taken from The Theory of Money and Credit (PDF, 24 MB)
Frances….SCAPE-GOATING-COATING…means transferring, projecting “crime” to GAIN advantage…a form of hijacking & usurpation…..discredit, degrade, dissemble…then assume & refurbish….the Founding Fathers vs. the Loyalists….the Northern Abolitionists vs the Southern Plantation owners….all so-called “revolutions” , in particular…..just title transfers….strictly business.
@ ya’all nobody speaks to me when i ask the tough Questions n get the topic moving in a vague but relative direction
begining to think i am stupid . Oh well that will last a minute ROFL PMSL
William Black on the CIT fiasco.
http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/364593/Geithner-%22Burned-Billions%22-Shafted-Taxpayers-on-CIT-Loan-Prof.-Bill-Black-Says?tickers=cit,aig,xlf,skf,gs,c,bac
Socialists could have negotiated a better deal for the tax payer. Slams Geithner pretty good.
N i still have’nt heard why and how people use GOLD in thier regular life . The 6000 year GOLD SCAM.
Gold makes your penis grow.
Illya I think you are underestimating the staying power of this Empire. Truly it is degenerate, but its not any time soon as you say that we start singing ‘happy trails to you’. Roy Rodgers is still alive and standing and will be savage until the end to defend his oligarchs.
If given a choice I would Help a Die’n Kid or person rather than 100 pounds of gold. But if you gave me real estate land mainly like 4 miles by 4 mile . Hmm i might Question my Decision ROFL PMSL Thinking outta the Box
@Bonn – nobody speaks to me
If you are alone in a room being retromingent on your keyboard, no one is going to speak to you. Try going to a bar or someplace like a bar where there are a lot of like-minded people, and you will find plenty of folks who want to talk to you.
Be sure to order some Goldschlager.
@ Tofu use your Imagination then
Just Jokeing couldnt resist that one i can be the most Sarcastic guy on earth i have lost 2 to 3 debates in my life which i have accepted other wise won em all or a Draw on a couple of occasions
@Barbarians department – I couldn’t make this stuff up!
South Carolina has decriminalized daytime sex in urban cemetaries. Sex enhancement drugs and sex toys are optional, but may be kept “just in case.”
Illya, you better conjure up more of a collective point of view. It would be severely childish and quite stupid to think that any part of the world will be immune from the catastrophe manifesting itself today, now, everywhere on earth. Conditions of life for everyone save the ‘masters of destruction’ are dismal, and even many of them will not be spared.
Having said that your are mostly right but you fail tremendously in pinpointing the nucleus of the problem. This is not a USA empire, it has merely been dressed up as the front man for the Anglo-Dutch liberal monetarist empire. THAT IS THE TRUE NATURE OF THE ENEMY. It is not the USA per se. Our disgusting government has been complicit for sure, but it is simply following orders from London vis a vis Wall st. So study up and join the fight. Victory here has precedent in 1776, however short it may have been.
Why no one on this site including Max himself is not strongly backing the LAROUCHE PLAN is nothing short of mindboggling. It is the only way out.
http://www.larouchepac.com/
What puzzles me about current discussions about gold is the lack of awareness of digital gold money.
I’m referring to GoldMoney’s iPhone application that allows people to transact in ‘goldgrams’:
http://www.concentricsky.com/products/iphone/goldmoney
http://goldmoney.com
Isn’t this the perfect solution for natural price deflation?
As prices fall due to productivity gains, all that’s necessary to do is for the monetary unit to reflect the change is for it to be further divided. Thus people would now pay in ‘goldmilligrams’ as well as ‘goldgrams’. And so on. Weight is an agreed standard measure, so we can all agree on how to price goods and services.
Why do people carry on with this “barbarious relic” stuff?
We can now have the technology (storage, access, transfer) and the historical proof that gold always being accepted as money, so we already have a flexible free market money free of government manipulation.
Ideas? Comments?
Carbon Dioxide irrelevant in climate debate says MIT Scientist http://tinyurl.com/od6wk4
U.N. climate meeting was propaganda: Czech president http://tiny.cc/ZfSbz
Climate Change Agenda: It’s All About Eugenics and Depopulation http://tinyurl.com/yf2stdc
The Carbon Tax Deception http://tinyurl.com/mktwek
The BBC’s amazing U-turn on climate change http://tinyurl.com/yjgmeq6
@Adam C – Gold as money
My comment is that it won’t make sense for general usage until gold is officially remonetized. Until that time, the perceived risk of volatility is too high. Anyway, most people don’t even understand what we’re talking about.
Try carrying around a gold coin (from whatever country you currently live in), pulling it out and talking to random people about gold, money, etc. You’ll be amazed, most people are absolutely clueless.
“The World’s Source for Global Temperature Record Admits It’s Lost or Destroyed All the Original Data That Would Allow a Third Party to” Model Climate http://tinyurl.com/ybqro7x
EU’s new figurehead believes climate change is a myth http://tinyurl.com/9z7uvh
Interesting history class Stacy, I was already thinking to move to china and teach music in Being (hoping China will not get involved in a nuclear war with the west (US)!
So what is causing Martian climate change now? http://tinyurl.com/e77gu
Mars Melt Hints at Solar, Not Human, Cause for Warming, Scientist Says http://tinyurl.com/24k59w
@Sid — Chinese cities are PACKED with musical virtuosos (with the sort of formal over-training that retards creativity)… a legacy of the one child policy…
@Youri
The MIT guy just offers a plausible lie. CO2 is not a blanket, it is an absorber of IR radiation, so it heats up itself (like water in a microwave).
Warming On Jupiter, Mars, Pluto, Neptune’s Moon & Earth Linked to Increased Solar Activity, Scientists Say http://tinyurl.com/2sg7ep
Earth is heating up lately, but so are Mars, Pluto!? http://tinyurl.com/2thcza
No kidding! Climate change spreads to Jupiter, Mars http://tinyurl.com/y859a4v
@ stacy
not boring
@bonn
gold you say? http://tinyurl.com/yapnfl5
@ mother earth
time for your medication
@TJ
Thanks but no thanks..
CBC – Global Warming Doomsday Called Off
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3309910462407994295&hl=en-GB#
Every day, scientists hoping to see an increase in solar activity train their instruments at the sun as it crosses the sky. This is no idle academic pursuit: A lull in solar action could potentially drive the planet’s temperature down, or even PROMPT A MINI ICE AGE!
Sun Stays Sluggish as Weathermen Fight for Anti-Ice Age Funding
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/4248062.html
@Mother Earth
ok, then I recommend you enter the psychic computer
http://tinyurl.com/y9t882b
@Youri
http://www.dagelijksestandaard.nl/2009/10/16/abdussamatov-verwacht-een-nieuw-maunder-minimum/
two more clues about how LOST is going to end:
3. her breasts were staring at me
4. half-life
Good one: http://www.projectcensored.org/top-stories/category/two-thousand-and-ten-book/
Top 25 censored stories of ’09.
An Otago University environmental scientist believes the earth could be heading for a mini Ice Age during the next few decades, rather than global warming. Professor Geoff Kearsley notes there is an increasing body of science that says the sun may have a greater role in changing the climate than man-made greenhouse gases http://nzenergy-environment.co.nz/home/free-articles/are-we-heading-for-another-mini-ice-age.html
As Sun spot activity decreases, Earth & other planets are COOLING NOT WARMING:
Don’t believe that? Well…you can’t deny REALITY: http://anhonestclimatedebate.wordpress.com/2008/11/30/as-sun-spot-activity-decreases-earth-other-planets-are-cooling-not-warming/
Does the American Empire Deserve to Die?”
@TJ
I can show my thoughts on the screen, I don’t need a pshychic computer for that
That is an invention like the realtime time machine (a paper bag over your head)
@Youri
You maust be a compulsive contrarian
“Federal Judge Michael Mosman has ruled that the government can read your e-mails stored with a third-party provider like GMail, without notifying you that a search warrant has been executed ”
http://volokh.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/Mosman.pdf
@Mother earth
Yep, That’s right but not to be a contrarian but for truths sake.
@Mother earth … “Federal Judge Michael Mosman has ruled that the government can read your e-mails”
I swear I never sent the Govt. any Emails .. honest !
@Phil
Any email in your inbox with any service provider you may use..The judge regards that server space territory of the provider, and because employees of the provider have access, so has the government (So the government only needs a warrant and notify the provider)..e.g your emails are fair game..
@Youri
I’m afraid you would not recognize truth if it was chewing your legs off..
@Mother … Any email in your inbox with any service provider you may use
Yes I know — of course !
Was just kiddin’ !
@Phil
Had to much mixed drinks this weekend..
Is for ‘truth’s sake’ the same as saying for ‘Christ’s sake’? Truth manifests itself as a rather large ball attached to a rather short chain.
Truth animate?
Truth is the voz that attempts to digress from reason.
Example:
M.Earth: Youri, you are contrarian.
Youri: no, I’m a defender of truth.
Truth as objective is not shared by Youri or M.Earth, but as voz tends to distract from the thread of reason. Does truth NEED a defender? Do we CARRY truth for none other reason than fear?
Aren’t Youri’s and M.Earth’s worst-case-scenerio’s mutually exclusive?
Back to the collapse of empires. Let us think a bit about Rome, since it is probably the historic empire the US most resembles.
1. Politics and corruption- Rome went from a republican to an imperial form of government. The Senate abdicated its powers to the ruling elite, in order to enrich themselves.
2. Imperial overreach- Roman political and military influence stretched from Britain to Eastern Europe to North Africa (and, of course, the “holy land”). As they spread themselves out farther and farther, it became more difficult to maintain communications, and more importantly, supply lines. Local imperial leaders became corrupt because they could get away with it. Legions began to depend on mercenary (paid) soldiers and the local tribes for manpower. The tribes were then able to use their knowledge of Roman tactics against the Imperial troops:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Teutoburg_Forest
Anyway, food for thought.
Thanks, stacy you triggered an interesting debate. I could not join earlier, you see, because I had to teach (it seams to me that you havel some real professional bloggers at you site that respond full-time).
Empires rise and fall and there are common things that can be observed. But I do think with frances and others that this time it is really different, because the fall of the republic is a CONTROLLED DEMOLITION!
We tend to focus to much on nations (US falling, means China rising) You know it is about a bankers-ruling-class that has learned already for many times to think globally an internationally. They set up, together with the monarchs, several shadow governments like the Bilderbergers etc. to work out these secret global plans for almost a century (it is important to see who they ex-cluded…).
They have differences but they are very much unified in looting the worker/peasant class: it is us against them! Sure they will loot some “minor elite” but they will prevail pretty much over national entities like China, USA etc. There is an occult side to this story as well which is very interesting……..
(stacy, I liked the gold/oil south/north conquista story)
Alais, her nemesis arrives, like a thief in the night!
PLEASE PLEASE, gimme a break on the idiot Americans seek to burn their oil ad infinitum speeches. Need anyone be reminded of the Electric Cars that were CONFISCATED and DESTROYED in the U.S.?? Let’s cite some research around patents for non-fossil fuels, tires that never wear out, car chassis that don’t rust, the list goes on. Let’s quote the folks who have been close to the oil reserves in the U.S. that are CAPPED (National Security anyone??), oil reserves the U.S. guv’ment has. Let’s look at some new energy options AGAIN… cold fusion anyone??? This is nonsense. I’ll give you that 80-90% of U.S. population are dithering idiots and it is difficult to argue with the eugenics movement in many cases HOWEVER, I will not concede that there were no viable alternatives sought, found and in many cases implemented before they were thwarted, buried, bought or burned. Let’s remember who the true enemy is here please….. We are to trust this guv’ment with cap and trade legislation, the same one we trusted with Medicare, Medicaid, SS and bailouts???? We entrust them to lead us into a new lifestyle….do the research on their track record, show me their wins, with the documented research available, I’ll show you 100x’s their losses…..
@Mother earth
I’m listening to that cspan link. about 6 min. the lady says “10 of the 12 hottest years since 1880 occured between 1997 and 2008.”
That’s true, but avoids the fact that 1998 was the hottest year and the temperature has leveled off since then (http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/climatechange/policymakers/policy/slowdown.html). Which is important because the models did not predict this phenomenon.
I also think it’s a bit naive to think that government spokespeople wouldn’t have an agenda, just like oil company funded research. Especially considering the stupidity of the ‘enron solution’ (cap n’ trade), administered by goldman sachs, that’s currently on the table.
Technologies the Chinese are rumoured to have duplicated from the Europeans vs the Americans you might stereotypically think of:
ALLISS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_1iOqxcx5M
However, this may only amount to one as of yet contracted — but not built module for Cuba.
The Russians aka USSR never went in big for rotatable HRRS type antennas (ALLISS modules are a subclass of these antenna systems) — as real estate aka Crown Land was readily available.
Some countries like Australia could at best afford 3, if they tweaked around their defence spending some.
The US never went in big for the rotatable technology either, like the UK.
Why the UK fought the Falklands War, no BBC WS Relay Station to claim the land …
http://hireme.geek.nz/fk-SW-dbu.png
Yes, I do technically offer ALLISS consultation — but unless you have about 26m EUR Thales will not speak to you about these modules.
I believe the cheapest module is 15m EUR, but with cheap labour it may be possible to do one as cheap as 9m EUR.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-eBk7vwivvQ
PS: One ALLISS module cost = RNZI funding costs for 12 years, including all Plant and Equipment…
Stacy: Guess you haven’t seen this yet: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4zOXmJ4jd-8
Nor THIS one true REAL way for us to actually grow the f*** up as humanity and take care of our weakest sickest and most desperate:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7065205277695921912
PLEASE watch it Stacy I beg you..
I’d like to quote comedian Joe Rogan after you’ve watched Zeitgeist Addendum, where he says; “those who care more about animals or the environment [over the survival of our worst off fellow human BEINGS] are fucking traitors..”
Thanks for reading xx
Warming or cooling of a planet with an atmosphere is based on this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albedo
What planet in the solar system has one nearest to Earth?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uranus
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climate_of_Uranus
The total power radiated by Uranus in the far infrared (i.e. heat) part of the spectrum is 1.06 ± 0.08 times the solar energy absorbed in its atmosphere.
In fact, Uranus’ heat flux is only 0.042 ± 0.047 W/m², which is lower than the internal heat flux of Earth of about 0.075 W/m².
The lowest temperature recorded in Uranus’ tropopause is 49 K (−224 °C), making Uranus the coldest planet in the Solar System, colder than Neptune.
Determining the nature of this seasonal variation is difficult because good data on Uranus’ atmosphere has existed for less than 84 years, or one full Uranian year.
A number of discoveries have however been made. Photometry over the course of half a Uranian year (beginning in the 1950s) has shown regular variation in the brightness in two spectral bands, with maxima occurring at the solstices and minima occurring at the equinoxes.
A similar periodic variation, with maxima at the solstices, has been noted in microwave measurements of the deep troposphere begun in the 1960s.
Stratospheric temperature measurements beginning in 1970s also showed maximum values near 1986 solstice.
Illya Kuryakin would so love to see my total cost to US Government at all levels …
http://cbc.am/Total-cost-to-goverment.ods
Also in the MS XLS format too.
It is not possible for me to legally work in the American Imperialist totalitarian oblasts, and this is irreguardless of my citizenship status.
You know an empire has beyond totally collapsed when you see my IRS payoff horizon in this 3D spreadsheet.
My example, albeit not perfect — has implications for probably 3 to 5 million actual Americans that have had related sociological outcomes to mine — but do not possess another passport.
Hi Stacy,
Thanks for the interesting topics about the fall of the empires. For the people who read the history, dept and the bad management is the main cause of falling apart of the empires.
Funny that the empires on the verge of collapsing do crazy and stupid things. For example USA announced a manned journey to the moon recently.
But US Government is not alone in this aspect. In the last years of the Ottoman Empire a beautiful palace called “Dolmabahce Palace” has been built. (between 1843-1856) Interior was decorated with antiques, gold, jewellery etc. Check the link for a virtual tour of what is a museum right now.
Same time the country was in dept up to its eyeballs and the most of the people was hungry, jobless, you name it. So beginning of 1900s’ it was all over for the Ottoman Empire.
The way it looks, USA is heading the same direction.
http://www.dolmabahce.gov.tr/source.cms.docs/dolmabahce.gov.tr.ce/dolmabahce.html
Oil is the best discovery in the history of the world. It has improved life for billions of people. The computer you are using to write/read this posting was made possible by oil. The clothing you wear, phone you use and clothing you wear are all made possible by oil.
Man made global warming is a fraud and a hoax. The “solutions” cause starvation deaths and impoverishes people all around the world.
The carbon trading system was “invented” by Goldmann Sacks and Enron. Two companies which only have the best for people and the environment at heart. Anytime you can side with Goldmann it must feel good.
The US has been giving away technology to China for decades. Giving, selling, handing over in a FRENZY of stupiidty .. it can’t be they REALLY believed China would open up its markets in some great love affair with ‘free market’ ideology. Just recently Obama Admin. followed all the others since Nixon .. and loosened technolgy for guided missile systems to the Chinese. Maybe it’s a bribe ..please don’t dump our lousey phoney money onto the world’s market. Chinese students and businessmen often refer to the US as the ‘golden mountain.” It is a belief that what the US has developed, and US taxpayers often paid for in RanD research belongs to the world. Dattssss nice. Wish my I, my parents, grand parents, great grandparents had realized that as they paid through taxes, blood, sweat, tears to advance our system to the world which would make it their OWN in their OWN way and not according to the way Americans :”think’ the world works. Years ago when I was at university .. era of JFK … an old US Navy admiral remarked to some students that Americans always think strategically in poker terms, nations like Russians or Chinese think in terms of chess. It was TRUE in 1960 and it is stil true today. In the case of the US strategic planners, or utopians, or greedy power brokers regardless of politics … we assume that everyone thinks the way we do, that all men or humankind want the SAME things forgetting that a nation like CHINA is 5000 years old and has adopted more ‘isms’ than you can count to its own civilization. As it is, the US Chamber of Commerce, the Nixonian or Bushites, or Clintonians or Obamicans are arrogant enough to think capitalism .. at least Anglo-American adversairal capitalism is the world order. Guess we will have to learn the HARD way as we watch the US collapse and fall into the waiting arms of the new managerial bureaucratic snooper nanny superstate. This effort goes beyone partisan politics .. it is a WAY of thinking of the elite for at least a hundred and 20 years .. a refuedalization of the West before the Age of Enlightenment .. which I am SURE THEY believe was an aberration and injustice for ‘thems what knows better’ than the rest of us. The deconstruction of the US economy went in tandem with the deconstruction of the political system by both parties and no party .. as frankly, the world’s elites are only about one party .. theirs.