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@Daniel S
Fantastic comment. Great advice.
@norcal
Oh, I remember Zero Pop Growth! Imo, it was not a serious effort to educate the masses.Even so, I do agree that it faced great opposition from religious groups.
My point is that we are seeing a clearly planned series of events to collapse the global economies and to destabilize society. In the confusion and panic the NWO is attempting to take over and implement oppressive measures.
An orderly and humane course of action was completely doable, but the more I learn the more I realize that this was never the intention.
I am an environmentalist and advocate strongly, but I do Not agree that this carbon taxing is the answer. It is a scam and will do nothing to actually help us save the planet or ourselves.
It is a money making scheme that will exact more and more control…. our laws and civil liberties are disappearing with each new mandate from these global organizations.
They do not care about the public. Do you understand this?
@Norcalkid:
What do you think is a good solution?
As for taking a gun to my head, that is so messy; bleeding out is far less traumatic, so I have heard.
@Norcalkid:
Sorry about that. It was a rhetorical question.
@merci (and frances): “Why weren’t measures taken to mitigate things, such as pollution and overpopulation long ago…. in a manner that would benefit all of us?”
It -was- tried, but the religious nutters were against any birth control (and still are)… then we got Ronnie Raygun and people forgot all about environmental issues. For all intents, the Earth is a closed system; we are not mining asteroids or growing food on Mars.
Anyone remember the group Zero Population Growth? I took the population issue seriously, and didn’t have kids. It is probably too late to address the population/carrying capacity issue. I think the tipping point has been reached, or soon will be reached. Yes, people will die too soon, and that is sad. The real world is too much like the Titanic, and there are simply not enough lifeboats for everyone.
As for taking a gun to my head, that is so messy; bleeding out is far less traumatic, so I have heard.
@maxkeiser.com
gold=ecology… well I don’t usually use these but LOL… and LOL again… why didn’t you just say ‘it feels awesome, so fuck all y’all’
Guh, I think typing the J e w word got my post dumped into moderated oblivion.
Climate change and global warming aren’t the same thing. We know that people have a lot of impact on climate. People have created deserts for example. The carbon market is shaping up to be the biggest racket in history. That doesn’t form a basis to argue for or against global warming. The existence of a racket doesn’t prove or disprove the theory it is leveraged against.
Because people can affect climate so much, they should be focusing on protecting their regions (water, wild-life including migrating animals, non genetically tampered seeds), localizing food production, etc. But instead you’ve got people focusing on issues that are too big for them to actually do anything about which excuses them from taking any action. Regardless of the criminal rackets in finance, political power, war, drugs, food production, energy, etc. the answer is the same. Localizing economies to cut off the flow of resources to those who run these rackets, and thus empowering people to protect and enhance the lives in their communities.
Unfortunately people think in terms of objects rather than processes, individuals instead of communities, and want to talk instead of taking action for fear of making a mistake, looking stupid and losing resources. They’re waiting for someone else to lead while failing to spot and support the leaders and practices we already have. Hence all the BS Walmart apologizing and individual survivalism/profiteering hopes here.
People are powerful, not just to destroy. With the right knowledge and practices we can control local climate at least in small zones that protect species, food production, water etc. But people who could be building ecologically robust and diverse farms/oasis locally, are arguing about Al Gore instead. It is a narrow perspective based on a subject that gives one a false impression of having a broad view.
You will not be protected by “winning” the global warming argument. Recognize that individual or family-based survivalism will fail. Start working on the solution to the plethora of rackets rather than arguing about the theory propping up the next big one. Buy your next pair of shoes from a local cobbler, your groceries from a local grower. Help set up a community financed permaculture farm in your area. Or keep bickering even after you’re in a rail car with the other “jews”.
“the earth is now a closed system”
Think for yourself man. The earth is not a closed system.
The Hegelian dialectic is in full force. This “club” has honed the art of creating whatever problem they can and profit from it….while at the same time making the public captive.
If all of this was known and studied decades ago, why is this suddenly a problem that must be addressed immediately. Why must the treaty be signed by Dec 2009.? What will happen if it is not signed by that date?
Don’t you notice that unprecedented amounts of legislation and mandates are trying to be pushed through as soon as possible, without any meaningful public debate?
Why weren’t measures taken to mitigate things, such as pollution and overpopulation long ago…. in a manner that would benefit all of us?
Carbon taxing is not the answer to our environmental problems.
To quote Frances Snoot;
“Is the question being debated man’s ability to alter the carbon cycle or the ability of men to deceive other men into accepting slavery as the answer to ecological issues?”
@Troy Ounce:
No. However it apears that it is old law from ex-yugoslavia. So it is quite posible that all republics of ex-yugoslavia still have that law. With exception of slovenia, that is in EU allready.
so much of “capitalism” brought to people. None! Niente! Nada!
this is kleptokracy of few, and when people lose It…
in ’80th we robed banks with credits, and than payed it with inflating money, because everyone got their ajusted pay checks, and credits stayed the same. Then everyone had jobs. Today, it’s another story…
Any way, it is quite simple why it is. Politicans here don’t understand true nature of serving The People Idea. No matter, we manage to raise of mud, every time. though MF we are. and the truth to be said, food, cigarets and alcohol here can be as good asset as gold
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PS: here is joke, that when bosnia, croatia & serbia joins in EU, EU will collapse… ;+)
hi hi hi
Alan Grayson reads aloud how many people will die in each Republican congressman’s district due to GOP opposition to health care reform:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/alan-grayson-reads-names_n_346745.html
Ha.
“A child, more than all other gifts
That the earth can offer to declining man,
Brings hope with it, and forward-looking thoughts.”
Wordsworth
http://www.bartleby.com/41/372.html
Its okay the ones in charge will decide who will live and let the rest fight for themselves like cavemen in a experiment of Darwin’s theory of evolution.
this is what makes this discussion board so great so we don’t have to talk on the Huffington Post about mindlessness of how Silly and funny Obama’s campaign was at times over 2008…
@norcalkid
there is a tipping point in population where we exceed the limitations of growth due to food shortages and water, ive seen predictions of what the number is and when we will meet and its crazy. Once we get to that point more will die due to it than what the normal carry capacity is.
“As of now, the Earth is a closed system, like a pitri dish. Humans are the bacteria growing in the dish. Review the concept of exponential growth (Chris Martenson’s Crash Course, etc.) and we are near the point of overwhelming the dish’s medium. We cannot go on the way we were, it is simply impossible.”
@Norcal:
If someone handed you a revolver, would you use it against yourself to help solve the bacterial infestation you term human growth?
It seems it is always ‘the other’ who must suffer to make the world comfy-cozy for the chosen ones.
Just a question… How many of you know the Club of Rome published a book on the environment in the early 1970s, detailing the results of runaway over-population? Well, they did. And “we” did, and there are more of us now around to see the results.
As of now, the Earth is a closed system, like a pitri dish. Humans are the bacteria growing in the dish. Review the concept of exponential growth (Chris Martenson’s Crash Course, etc.) and we are near the point of overwhelming the dish’s medium. We cannot go on the way we were, it is simply impossible.
The financial and environmental worlds have both turned the corner on the hockey stick graph and both are heading for a crash. We can argue who/what caused the problems, but that does little to help find answers. What is happening in the financial markets is a patchwork solution, but it is akin to bailing out the Titanic with a bucket. Ditto the environmental problems. Sadly, the outcome probably will mean loss of many lives, mass displacement and the end of things as we know them.
Yes, WL. Greenspan was right. The real problem is a matter of ethics, always. Not religion, not science, not economy, not any agent or agency: but the willingness of men to throw their souls down as meaningless fodder for gain which gains nothing.
I don’t believe that people truly are ever ‘altruistic’ but see gain as a means to the end for their own gain.
“O, Stephen will apologize.
Dante said:
– O, if not, the eagles will come and pull out his eyes.–
Pull out his eyes,
Apologize,
Apologize,
Pull out his eyes.
Apologize,
Pull out his eyes,
Pull out his eyes,
Apologize.”
http://www.online-literature.com/james_joyce/portrait_artist_young_man/1/
Joe,
It’s actually called Dead Peasants Insurance
“….But he rejected the idea that corporate-owned life insurance was immoral or a company bet against its workers.
Its an important business planning tool, Dolan said. Companies are using it for extremely valid reasons.”
http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Insurance/P64954.asp
@MotherEarth:
“@TJ
It is good people like you are so powerless”
Guess that means you won’t introduce him to the Consigliere, eh?
@frances
Goldman already is securitzing life insurance plans as their next huge profit scheme. It was either posted on here or by someone in the discussion board. Im glad we put so much money into a investment bank that provides no benefit to the real economy….
@frances
I see the complete pre cradle to grave enslavement. A form of carbon Eugenics. This Utopian delusion will cause more misery, death, civil unrest and war than the present. This scheme will ultimately fail, but I have lost all confidence in human intelligence overcoming emotive reasoning. This is an economic disaster designed to control population.
We have cooling this winter and my sources say we may have global food shortages.
I like your Avatar, looks very Canadian – unintentional.
Dont forget in 2003 massive bursts from the sun of radiation had large effects on cloud distribution and in ocean temperatures http://www.hulu.com/watch/95111/cosmic-journeys-attack-of-the-sun#s-p2-so-i0
Worth the watch
@WL:
You do see where this is going? There is no debate anymore: the politicos have decided to set greenhouse quotas. The mandates will be enforced through a global banking exchange which answers to a global bank which sets the exchange of surplus and deficit from trade to suit the uber-lords. The unfunded mandates will create a need to reduce populations. The trade will endear death as profitable.
Looks like Prince Philip is coming back as a viral agent through his viral agencies.
A twelveth-grade science student could figure out the outcome: engineered genocide through disease and death profiteering.
@stacy
So, you are one of the few who actually understands the scientific process and the definition of hypothesis.
Maybe you can explain the leap from CO2 is a greenhouse gas to CO2 causes global warming. Careful its a trick, do your research. Do all defined Greenhouse gases have the same efficacy? What are all the planets sources of CO2?
Finally, what would the impact of a cooler planet be on say food production? Careful
Finally, should we also ban Dihydrogen monoxide
2010 must be the target year for the club of Rome
Don’t forget about Codex Alimentarius set to end the public’s access to vitamins, minerals and all those now commonly held OTC herbs.
It also begins the implementation of a Global mandate and controls over all foods. National sovereignty will be eliminated with this nefarious plan.
It is real and about to be unleashed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQoISHqyYik
@stacyherbert
AhA ! So here the brainwashing took place alla Hitler Jugend or Maoist Xi- na ho brainwasing. Glad we found the cause of this dogmatice way of thinking. CO2 is so little produced by human it doesn’t haver any significants. Clouds are the most imnportant greenhouse gas and above all scientific evidence from ice samples proves the truth.
Is the question being debated man’s ability to alter the carbon cycle or the ability of men to deceive other men into accepting slavery as the answer to ecological issues?
@WL – actually, I took a course in climate science in 1989 at UCLA, long before it was talked about on television; but re: greenhouse gas effect, I first learned about that in 8th grade and then a few years later in the 12th grade I did more studies and experiments on it as well
I guess we should ban dihydrogen monoxide since it the greatest greenhouse gas by far around 80%, not only is abundance but also efficacy.
@stacy,
I agree with your sentiment, just not your facts. 90% of the “CO2 greenhouse gas” theorists do not understand the science and simply parrot media scientists. The fact that CO2 is a greenhouse gas does not mean that it causes global warming or now climate change. We do not even know all the natural sources of carbon in the atmosphere, the role of Oceans, clouds, magnetic cores, undersea volcanoes, the Sun. There are so many more factors involved, most of which are not well understood. It is the height of human arrogance to believe that we can fully understand and control the climate. If you took the time to do the research you will see how flawed the AGW argument is.
We should move away from oil, but not based on a fraud. To promote a world without oil by believing a fraudulent AGW theory is intellectually dishonest.
Stacey is right although any swelling of the sun will be long long time from now and humans will have either killed everyone off by war or we will have evolved so exponentially that only the conscienceless is left and the human body becomes obsolete when we have no need for it due to superior technology . In either regard it is now that we at least give our chance the opportunity for survival in the future and if peakoil is hit without any renewable energy safeguard it will undoubtedly cause Armageddon or at the very least massive civil unrest.
@WL – carbon dioxide, not carbon; and carbon dioxide is a well-known greenhouse gas (one of several); the greenhouse effect can be observed on several planets in our solar system; including, thankfully, ours; if it weren’t for the greenhouse gas effect, we would be a much colder planet;
but, again, a lot of energy is expended on defending an outdated and violent energy source; I personally don’t care whether or not the atmosphere becomes inhospitable to human life, nor do I suspect that it is possible to stop; tens of thousands of species have been wiped out in the past; and for every end is a new beginning and eventually no amount of restriction on carbon dioxide emissions is going to alter the fact that the Sun will swell as it dies and it will get a whole lot hotter here
in terms of what remains of my life, however, I don’t see the point in exterminating millions so that we may take their oil when there are sources like the sun or wind that are available to all and nobody needs to be killed to use them; as a walker I also don’t like all the exhaust that spews in my face and lungs all day long as thousands of lone drivers sit at traffic lights on their way to the mall . . . ; and as an observer of the laws of physics, it seems rather obvious that reserves of oil are declining
humans can create technologies that are cleaner, more efficient, and perhaps more rational to use
Democracy Now just aired this report, “GM’s Money Trees – Displacement of Rural Brazilians Highlights Consequences of Cap and Trade System”
http://www.democracynow.org/
@Stacy
Iand also the Earth’s orbit & tilt; and also, man as every other creature on Earth, also impacts their environment; if a frigging rabbit can impact its own environment then humans can too; we are not frictionless
We are not frictionless. So, what does carbon do? I don’t disagree with your assessment, but carbon is not a negative to the environment. It has been demonized to forward an agenda.
Seriously, if you examine the global warming theories, there is no science that proves carbon is a problem at all. This is the point. We can reduce carbon output to nil and it won’t change the climate.
You seem to be confusing carbon with real pollutants.
@WL
Yeah the redistribution of wealth in inevitable with the high taxes bound to come from any Carbon tax. Time to individually become energy grid independent.
@Joe
I agree, we need more renewable energy sources. That is not the issue. That could be accomplished without the global warming mythology. This fraud is much more serious.
Redistribution of wealth
No/low production
Population control
Supranational governance
Complete carbon enslavement
Zero growth world
All based on a fraud. The utopia for the oligarchs and hell for the masses.
WAKE THE F#$% UP
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@WL – and also the Earth’s orbit & tilt; and also, man as every other creature on Earth, also impacts their environment; if a frigging rabbit can impact its own environment then humans can too; we are not frictionless
@Gordo
Do you actually believe that the Sun does not drive climate?
Ive become curious about Max’s views on economics just because he (along with others) has such conflicting views on stimulus, bailouts, gov intervention… so on so forth. To me he along with others like Schiff, Roubini are the few who saw this coming…. why is that ?
“It is the Sun, stupid.”
Repeat it often enough you might convince someone.
This is a very good propaganda method but might not work here.
I include this even though it is most likely already posted yet it is just one deal gone sour for JPMorgan Chase.
http://solari.com/blog/?p=4999
that’s one down and how many more to go???
@Fibon
Yes, thanks. It seems governments lack attention spans to the simple needs of its populations. People are genuinely struggling here in Ireland. My brother is down to a 4 day week, my sister owes a builder 30,000 cos the bank pulled her mortgage last minute and my too sisters combined are facing their 2nd pay cut aswell as the existing 2% levy every working person has had taken from their wages.
From the ivory towers, the market fundementalists are busy fumbling over repeatly grossly underestimated economic forecasts which daily get worse and worse.
Global Warming or not, renewable energy is necessary… unlike @Illya i along with a majority of people know oil is not abiotic and an infinite resource.
Adam C
Maybe it’s part of the master slave / serf mindset that Max talks about
These hidden beliefs are powerful and are passed on from generation to generation
So when the authorities tell us something via the established news media many people accept this without question whether it’s global warming, weapons of mass destruction or banker bailouts.
“I’m optimistic that a genuine collective intelligence is emerging from all the cognitive surplus being unleashed by the internet.”
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
Does this collective intelligence have a trump card? Do the masses ever follow anyone intelligent? Do the ‘wise ones’ want intelligence or just mass murder, mayhem, and then complete control?
“Or are we just entering into a more superstitious ‘dark’ age? It could be exciting.”
Yes, if trying to decide between eating your cat or your dog could be termed ‘exciting’.
@frances snoot
I’m optimistic that a genuine collective intelligence is emerging from all the cognitive surplus being unleashed by the internet.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_surplus
As much as I enjoy speculating on how people’s basic psychology is manipulated by the sociopaths and psychopaths amongst us, I’m still hopeful that all the joys of campaigning (Obama, Climate Change, Perceived ‘Hate Crimes’, etc) will be put to honest uses rather than just pandering to people’s narcissism or triggerhappy moral indignation.
I kinda see all the internet as one massive scientific method hothouse, and it’ll soon be appreciated that to enjoy it fully means directing your activity to real causes with tangle outcomes that we can all enjoy. Depth of engagement will be necessary to keep up with the story. (A bit like LOST – Ahem!)
The personal attention bubbles these campaigning issues inflate are a kind of ponzi scheme and there simply isn’t an infinite supply of new people coming onto the internet to keep it all going.
But still, this climate change ‘debate’ (the anti-science, anti-evidence aspect of it) sets a unimaginably dangerous precedent.
It was perhaps the next scale up from belief in weapons of mass destruction in Iraq – without evidence. Or belief that if we don’t bailout the banks the global economy will implode – without evidence. Obvious lies to which we are numbing.
Or are we just entering into a more superstitious ‘dark’ age? It could be exciting.
@WL – I am fairly convinced of the science that the universe is many billions of years old and that, after a very long process of evolution, modern humans have been around for about 200,000 years; but I do know that about 40% of Americans look at that same exact science and call it a fraud perpetrated upon humanity; same evidence, different conclusions/beliefs
this was posted earlier: so here is the C2Cam summary of Craig Hulets take on the world financial terrorists:
Analyst of geopolitics and foreign policy, Craig B. Hulet discussed how the banking bailouts were put in place by a “thugocracy” that has set the stage for a global financial system that excludes the United States. The thugocracy is composed of a group of banks that have acted like extortionists on an unprecedented scale, he commented. The President doesn’t have the power “to stop the global regime of economic interdependence,” which is how this group refers to itself. “I call them a medieval corporate regime that’s hi-tech. It’s a monstrosity that the world’s never seen and because of technology, it’s going to make our lives an absolute hell” and we’ll have no civil rights left, he exclaimed.
A whole new system of governance is in the works, and the US is not going to be part of it, he continued. Hulet outlined how credit card companies are reducing or removing Americans’ credit lines– this will be completed by July 2010, and people will be forced to save money instead. This money, he detailed, will be used for loans and investments in new markets like China. US companies are continuing to move offshore, and 40% of all trade is now between international corporations rather than nations, he added.
Hulet also talked about geopolitics including terrorism, conflicts in the Middle East, and the 9-11 attacks. There was covered-up intelligence evidence that “nation states” (possibly including Saudi Arabia) were involved in setting up the attacks, he noted.
WOW, just WOW
First, there is no science that proves carbon causes global warming, if anyone has it lets see it? Don’t give me theories..
It is purely an hypothesis, not science. Any real scientist knows the difference.
Intelligent individuals who really examine the issue will find that it is not scientifically proven. Believers are either naive or corrupt.
It is a faith, cult, religion to believe that you are part of a shared construct that makes you fell superior or righteous. Unfortunately, it is not science but that is the human condition. The desire to make sense of things even when not based in fact, that is the creation of myth. The global warming myth.
The climate has changed forever, without carbon we would not have life.
“It is the Sun, stupid.”
Frankly, anyone that believes that this is anything more than an hypothesis loses all credibility.
“Profit `Not Satanic,’ Barclays Says, After Goldman Invokes Jesus ”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aySZ9TS.aODA&pos=11
This entire article completely missed the point (and the truth). IMO it is nether profit nor income disparity that is the problem.
Why is this so difficult for most to understand.
If profits come to one as the result of FRAUD and theft, then the profits are not legitimate. Then one group prospers at the true expense of others.
Stealing from the taxpayers through blatant corruption and then telling the masses that this wealth was obtained because of “talent” is outright BS. The only talent there is the talent to be a better sociopath than someone else.
And giving those profits to charity makes not one bit of difference! That is essentially hush money to another group with the intention of shutting them up. Or conversely, blackmail if the other demands a share of the take (on threat of exposing or calling attention to the deceit).
The group or person accepting that money is equally responsible for perpetuating the corrupt system. In a free society, if one makes an honest profit, one does not have duty to “be extravagantly generous”. That is an attempt by the church to extort.
The world has gone mad…. or has it always been this way?
“I’ll try to see them in a different light and not be so serious.”
The complete breakdown of the fractional reserve system and the ensuing death of billions is not serious?
“Why’s the climate debate any different??”
Dogma trumps science in that the people behind the lucrative insider trading now see climate science as an aide for worldwide hegemony. We owned the currency: we see you as a product of a dollar reserve currency we owned and created: we own you. Syllogism from hell.
@Phil “.. and I agree, except of course that we regulars have “talked the causes of the financial meltdown” almost to death …which is some relaxation and entertainment is not a bad idea…. IMO !”
You’re quite right. I’ll try to see them in a different light and not be so serious. And Dido’s also right in that there is some symbioticy (made that word up) going on.
Just like to keep Max and Stacy well polished and tarnish free.
“carbon trading is fine”
Well, golly gumption. Time to trade on the new futures: death. Surenuff. And how many deaths would be appropriate? Well, if it’s good for ecology, then billions, right?
“pricing carbon is not a bad idea… it’s a good idea
but you can’t expect carbon trading to work if GS, JPM and the rest manipulate and abuse the system as they do now with currencies, bonds, stocks, options, and futures”
Course not. Gotta have monopoly interest on that one: can’t let too many fingers grasp the ecological futures market!
No abuse! NO risk for the common man! Max has got to start a new religion: why not? Maxumus regalus to tell the world, well, he didn’t ever really believe in the free market, just liked being a pirate! We’ll worship the earth instead of money! Down with money! How utterly profitable for the few!
Trying to shame each other into the ‘correct position’ won’t help and won’t work.
I can see the opinions get even more entrenched, but I don’t see anyone using actual science to defend their position.
Evidence. Science. These are the foundations of productive debate. This is the way we’ll save ourselves from ourselves.
The supreme virtue (IMHO) is to admit when you’re wrong and save yourself the anguish over problems already solved, evidence already gathered.
I’ll even quote a most virtuous man (!)
“Once we realize that imperfect understanding is the human condition, there is no shame in being wrong, only in failing to correct our mistakes.” — George Soros
Let’s first agree on the way to do science: continual skepticism over our imperfect models with an eagerness to improve our understanding by incorporating the latest evidence.
These are the questions still unanswered by those who ‘believe’ in man-made/CO2-driven climate change:
The Skeptics Handbook
http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming
The observed data (links provided in previous comment, though the actual research paper hasn’t been published or peer-reviewed yet) is showing that CO2 doesn’t play as a large a factor in climate change as the models predicted. I’m not a scientist but I can read a graph and I trust that swarms of scientists will interrogate the research and review the findings honestly.
Here’s a video.
Cooler Heads Event with Dr. Richard Lindzen on Cap and Trade
http://www.blip.tv/file/2784851
Focus not on the man (appeals to authority), focus on the data, the evidence.
We all manage to stay focused on evidence perfectly well when taking about currencies and stock prices. Why’s the climate debate any different??
@Dedo.. stuff about earth still being here
Well, yes quite! Nature as a whole, i.e. the planet, will be fine and will adjust – it’s just these silly humans on it that are clinging on to the status quo instead of accepting they are part of nature too. Consciousness is a burden in that sense.
@Adam C
The psychology of belief is interesting and plays a massive part in the climate change debate.
There is often the statement that it is better to believe in (Christian) god than not, just as an insurance policy against going to hell.
Because the majority don’t get involved in science in their lives it can be just seen as another religion by many and used as such (as opposed to being part of every day learning from experience).
Still, none of that actually gets you closer to the truth of whether god actually exists or whether climate change is real or not.
Time can only reveal the truth, by which time it is too late to change your mind.
The majority of us are left to make up our minds through basic beliefs and yes, we then all see what we want to see..
@Nat …. UFOs / Please can we not tarnish the credibility of Max and Stacy
That is why Stacy introduced the “Jibber Jabber” theme.
.. and I agree, except of course that we regulars have “talked the causes of the financial meltdown” almost to death …which is some relaxation and entertainment is not a bad idea…. IMO !
Wont the Banks be the major recipient of housing benefit in the end given that they are the majority assist holder in this class?
So in order that house values are maintained then it must be required that benefit bills via housing be increased, to make up for any short fall? Am I wrong?
Top ten areas receiving housing benefit:
Hackney – 41.9%
Tower Hamlets – 38.1%
Newham – 36.9%
Haringey – 33.9%
Islington – 33.5%
Glasgow City – 31.5%
Lambeth – 30.4%
Manchester – 30.3%
Southwark – 30.1%
Brent – 30.0%
“the dollar-gets-destroyed adjusted impact of gold on the environment that results from the destruction of the US dollar and the global fractional reserve, fiat money system is minimal”
Are you one of the wise ones, Max? If not, how can you make this prognosis.
What will the pricing system be for gold? Who decides how much gold will be priced in the new system? Your patron must know: could you vouchsafe we “cake-eaters” the info?
It’s easy to be a winner when one is an insider, eh Max? Nudge Nudge, wink wink.
@ Danny You may be interested? What a system?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23763489-40-percent-of-london-families-receive-housing-benefit.do
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/telegraph-view/6475309/Why-are-we-paying-child-benefit-in-Poland.html
http://www.realwire.com/release_detail.asp?ReleaseID=14108
http://www.insidehousing.co.uk/story.aspx?storycode=6507116
http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/5501443/the-bills-just-keep-coming-in.thtml
@Max: another scary possible future scenario: what if we are being held captive just long enough to allow China to become the new “western style” economy and await them to have a independent booming domestic economy that will allow them to securitise every form of their debt structures as we have just witnessed here???? ( ala securitised mortgages( both residential and commercial), securitised credit card debts, auto loan debts and student loan debt and also capture all their pensions and localized state treasuries to boot??????????? And the same for India????well that brings to the table more massive “growth” for the financial oligarchs and their minions as years go forth…since they have the MSM convinced that by pumping massive bailouts into the banking industry is evidence that we are out of the recession …they could run that scenario again..this time in Asia for even greater profits..maybe we are only a test case!!!!!>>>>just a thought…
@ max & Stacey
By the way, you still have to come clean about your opinions on CO2 and the alleged CO2 scam (not talking about other REAL pollution like heavy minerals in the atmosphere).
Nobody is is obliged to know everything. If you haven’t figured out a position where to stand in the issue just say it so but tell us clearly…. please
@Richard@lattitude30N …. Methane
Yes , you are right ( posted on this weeks ago ).
The Siberian tundra is releasing massive amounts methane right “now” due to the permafrost melting .. and methane is far more harmful than CO2.
There were some YT videos of some young Russian guys igniting methane bubbling from under the small lakes in Siberia. … pretty impressive !
… permafrost. Under its surface lies a climatic time-bomb. Methane, a greenhouse gas 20 times more powerful than carbon dioxide. If the …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqxENMKaeCU
@max
“it is within the capabilities of humans to mimic nature and create low friction exchanges.. adam smiths ideas have a great deal of merit.. but the implementation and execution of these ideas has been horrible and it’s getting worse as all sorts of ‘negative’ feedback loops creep into the system promising assured destruction of the entire system.”
Oh come on Max! If we would use gold (nature) and prohibit the strictly banking business (you would still have banks but they would be prevented to do exactly what a bank do. They would be two separate entities, one a savings warehouse, the other an investment bank) the system would work fine. Let’s not get mystical. Capitalism works.
BTW,..Thanks for eventually bringing up Carbon Credits as a means of exchange for the world Max,…about time!
Niall Ferguson Discusses U.S. Dollar on charle rose just a few hours ago…feels that chinas rise to power is being overlooked and the us needs to either accept it as uk accepted the us rise…or align with india….also says buffetts buying of RR was stupid….
@Nat,..it’s symbiotic, don’t knock it!
Who on this forum is sooo omnipotent, they can perceive the grand scheme of things,…just out of curiosity.
I know mother is one,…any more takers?
@BlackDauglas
Rauni Kilde, former Finish minister of Health?? Chinese whispers in operation there or hyping her up for extra credibility ..
She’s a former provincial medical officer of Lapland, population 185 000 – a bit like being in charge of medical matters of the Scottish Highlands except even more remote and isolated.
You should also hear her talk about how she came to realise the streetlamps in her home town had changed (new type of bulb?) and were now used for mind control..
Hear her talk of how a UFO made a forcefield around her and stopped her motorbike from crushing her in an accident.
@ All
Please can we not tarnish the credibility of Max and Stacy by turning the comments section into a UFO and Conspiracy Theory Forum? Even if the conspiracy theories are true, it still turns people away from the truth about financial markets which is what this place is all about.
Well ok, political and economic conspiracies only please…
@NicAbbo77: “I am an environmentalist…but it’s way too late..” You have hit the nail on the head….in a way…The Black Swan lurking on the horizon is the one for the CO2 and methane emissions yet to be released from under the now ( and future ) melted Arctic tundra which will amount to 10X the amount ever cumulatively recorded so far…that for me is the untold story…if the PTB can convince the taxpaying populous that a tax now is small enough to not rock the cradle too hard then when this slow and steady massive emission of future CO2 and methane gases that will inevitably release from the tundra actually is released then they stand to gain a massive new source of revenue( as they raise the carbon tax)…that is if the planet doesn’t become become totally tropical by then…yes folks nature has a storage facility in the tundra of 10X all measured CO2 and methane!!!!!!!!!!! If what we have measured today is considered massive then what might they say as that 10X amount is being released in the future….Much like the solar rays that are bombarding us daily..as Clif High points out we might be in for a massive visitor of gamma and electromagnetic rays the likes of which only the dinosaurs witnessed…and we know what happened to them…or do we??
@ Mother Earth
When you buy a yacht, let me know and the wager is On.
@ Steve
The UK is in huge trouble. What’s one more lie worth?
@maxkeiser – I am an environmentalist.. that is why I buy gold.
I like that answer. Now tell me, is Iceland really run by lesbian vampires? I might just have to book a flight and go and have a look. I’m sure the environment won’t mind. Just this once.
I’d bet anyone worth betting!
@dedo
Nothing wrong with my nuts..Would you make the bet?
@developero
Do you know of other countries with such ridiculous taxes on bullion?
@mother,..anthropomorphic climate change,..get it right!
The climate always frickin’ changes numbnuts.
Dell accused of getting $6 billion from secret Intel pact
By Ben Charny
(Updates with comment from AMD. Adds length of the lawsuit.)
SAN FRANCISCO (MarketWatch) — Dell Inc. (DELL 14.59, 0.00, 0.00%) allegedly received
billions of dollars in payments over a four-year period to use chips made by Intel Corp. (INTC 18.59, +0.23, +1.25%) , payments that sometimes totaled more than the computer
maker’s reported profits for a fiscal quarter, according to a lawsuit filed on Wednesday.
Dell, the world’s third-biggest computer maker based on shipments, was allegedly paid about $6 billion between February 2002 and January 2007, according to the lawsuit. In one fiscal quarter, the lawsuit says payments from Intel constituted 116% of Dell’s reported net income.
…
…
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dell-accused-of-getting-6-billion-from-secret-intel-pact-2009-11-04
Well, it something we ( AMD shareholders ) always suspected … for over 10 years.
And “Only Now” … do they investigate !
@TJ
I am on the winning team, sorry about that. If you where able to be convinced by evidence I would suggest we bet on the reality of climate change and the need for action, but I don’t believe there is any evidence you would accept as proof. If there is name it, and we’ll wager all your posessions (you can’t lose so why not)..
Lord Czar sugar says shut up because the recession is over
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/8341245.stm
RISE UP!!!!
@Max … one easy solution would be for the US gov’t to post 10 or 20% of all the serial numbers of every dollar bill, bond (CUSIP no.), and transaction – for public viewing on the web. so that the public could ’see,’ in general, the flow of money in real time.
Something I’ve always wanted, but will never get.
Even simpler is just to attach the Customer-ID to every trade … not the Broker or clearing broker.
Of course , WS bigmoney would hate that … it makes their games transparent.
Which is why we’re back to the old theme …. FRAUD …. “is” the system !
@Nat …CO2
CO2 is not the problem .. it is the pollution and “dust” that is a bigger problem.
Well put Adam.C !
“The idea of climate change should be seen as an intellectual resource around which our collective and personal identities and projects can form and take shape. We need to ask not what we can do for climate change, but to ask what climate change can do for us. Because the idea of climate change is so plastic, it can be deployed across many of our human projects and can serve many of our psychological, ethical, and spiritual needs. We will continue to create and tell new stories about climate change and mobilize them in support of our projects. These myths transcend the scientific categories of ‘true’ and ‘false’”
From Mike Hume’s Book, Why We Disagree About Climate Change Understanding Controversy, Inaction and Opportunity
http://www.amazon.com/Disagree-About-Climate-Change-Understanding/dp/0521727324/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1257352746&sr=8-1
I haven’t read it, but the reviews on the amazon page are quite insightful. Essentially, the AGW version of climate change rests on Post-Normal Science i.e., science that can’t be practiced by scientific method or based on evidence, thus it shouldn’t be called science but belief or religion.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-normal_science
The whole trouble with the climate change debate is the sunk costs people have invested in a campaign that seemed to give their lives a collective purpose and higher meaning – all egged on by politicians, of course who’s very existence depends on being seen to be ‘doing something’. This need to be DO something is so widely felt in the middle classes because they still feel a kind of guilt for not really being about anything other than acting as some kind of buffer to the genuine hardships of the lower classes. Of course, the middle class can’t lower their status and fight for any real social justice, thus the guilt and lack of purpose other than to just stay in place.
Of course we can all point out the carbon rent-seeking scams in attempt to reveal the middle class as the intended victims, but that just doesn’t help the believers to climb down off their moralistic perch in a way that saves them face. Pointing out a conspiracy just further undermines their sense of intelligence, and as I’ve said so often, people just can’t admit they’re wrong.
You simply have to appeal to their higher reason and point them to the science – the latest science, not climate models – we have actual observed data now:
http://www.globalwarming.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/lindzen-talk-pdf.pdf
http://www.examiner.com/x-7715-Portland-Civil-Rights-Examiner~y2009m8d18-Carbon-Dioxide-irrelevant-in-climate-debate-says-MIT-Scientist
http://masterresource.org/?p=4307
Then, you join in the optimism on green technologies, not because of the alleged CO2 reduction, but because of the benefits of state energy independence and the shift to personal responsibility.
People just want to feel like they can DO something whilst the world spins out of control. It’s just unfortunate that some can’t think a little further ahead to see how their current actions and affiliations will circumscribe the future actions they might want to take.
@Nat,..I put it to you, that if there was an imbalance in nature,…it would sort itself out.
Not unlike the billions of years it has so far?
Can’t see any dinosaurs, can you
@Max, You always inspire with your way of seeing things.
@Youri,..The “current” system is a scam,..why not adapt and improvise in stead of moaning about it?
As you’re aware, there are many, many social systems that could be implemented.
The next one is certainly going to be a challenge,..just roll up your sleeves and dive in!
@Max The information age now forces you to think for yourself, which is a difficult thing to maintain as it takes effort, as opposed to relax and believe every conspiracy or main stream propaganda. Its a good and a bad thing. Im off on one,……………….
I don’t drink coke cola and pepsi. But I just took a look at their site..The FLORIDE CONSPIRACY its all coming true !!!
….but O MY GOD !!
Quote ”
Aquarius Spring! Fluoridated: Available in the United States, Aquarius Spring! Fluoridated is an 8.5-ounce fluoridated spring water especially for kids. The product is bottled at protected spring sites located throughout the United States.”
Aquarius Spring! Fluoridated is a trademark of The Coca-Cola Company and CCDA Waters L.L.C
http://www.virtualvender.coca-cola.com/ft/index.jsp?brand_id=743
“Did you know The Coca-Cola Company offers more than 2800 products in over 200 countries?”
My personal taste and opinion, yuk yuk!!!!!
http://www.thecoca-colacompany.com/brands/brandlist.html
@Phil
If you want to call CO2 air then please breathe it in!
I hope that CO2 remains the very small part of air (0.03%) that it should be. A CO2 tax could (emphasize ‘could’) help do this. Not that CO2 is the worse greenhouse gas by any means – is nothing compared to methane and man-made refrigerants .
Carbon Trading on the other hand.. that has nothing to do with saving the planet, just a nice sugar-coated bit of money making whilst maintaining the status-quo.
Very pittyfull to see even lightminded people like Max and Stacy fall for these lies and deciet. Carbon trading is a scam and the concquences are dire. Taxes on everything to be directly paid to the enemies of humanity like Rockefeller and Rotschields. It should ring a bell that one of the biggest polluters of earth is for carbon trade, SHELL ring ring toot toot bang bang!
But like Hitler said if the lies are big enough at the end even lightminded people are willing to go in the gas chambers like what exactly happened.
@ Mother Earth
It is good people like you are so powerless
All puffed up thinking you’re on the winning team?
It figures you’d make such an assumption.
@Max
I would say a prime culprit in all abuse at the moment is the delay that is allowed in exchanges. They are basically not equitable for the most part. If all trades had to be instant and all delayed contracts where illegal (say debt based on future income) there would be a lot less room for abuse.
If you Max Keiser (or anybody else for that matter) were to open a Bank, a full reserve bank, in what country would you aim to start it in and would you choose city, suburb, country town to be the place of location? The privilege to gamble other peoples deposit money away does not apply here, it’s your own cash, your own money you lend and put to risk. (jibber jabber question)
Re Ron Paul’s audit the Fed
Is this a flawed campaign
Surely the focus should be on ways to reduce Govt and private debt NOT on an issue which confuses most people. Do most people understand or care about this (people should do but if they don’t it’s a lost cause).
But debt and taxes to pay off debt is very relevant. And Govt debt seems to be a con that could be easily reduced.
Even if Govt’s worldwide only reduced their debt to offset the interest Ponzi factor.
A good point to bring up with Ellen Brown who I think you are interviewing soon.
As most folk are aware, systems in all forms seem to be emergent.
The more likely problem facing the planet is the tendency of a few to manipulate nature to their own accord.
Other than that I’d agree with your premise Max,..but who knows for sure?
http://www.rickackerman.com/2009/11/retail-killer-wave-coming-due-to-cit-failure/?utm_source=Rick%27s+Picks+Daily+EXTRA!&utm_campaign=49c5deda64-DAILY&utm_medium=email#more-11445
@Max, Can human beings achieve a good system of exchange?.. given the current situation?
up until 9,000 years ago.. humans enjoyed a perfect system of exchange with the environment and themselves for 200,000 years.
when the hunter-gatherer period ended and domestication of crops and live stock began – humans had to figure out what to do with ‘excess.’
economics is the result of humans trying to figure out what to do with excess.. (not scarcity, as many would argue)
barter was an acceptable but clumsy way to deal with the problem
an intermediate unit of exchange – a currency – was also an OK way to tackle the issue..
the problem has always been – lack of accountability for the currency system
one easy solution would be for the US gov’t to post 10 or 20% of all the serial numbers of every dollar bill, bond (CUSIP no.), and transaction – for public viewing on the web. so that the public could ‘see,’ in general, the flow of money in real time.
crimes committed by wall st. would be visible as they were happening to everyone.
Additionally, as i have argued before, the ‘margin rate’ for speculation would have to be set by the market, and not the FED.
As banks like GS, JPM etc. increase their risk positions, the cost of maintaining those positions would increase commensurately
Max
pricing carbon is not a bad idea… it’s a good idea
Are you sure. This just seems like a tax on the people based on flawed science which people like bankers and Gore will mainly benefit from.
This scheme is wide open to being abused isn’t it. For eg who receives the money raised.
Correction@While the 23 CIA guys enjoyed the luxury hotels of Italy, this was going on in Uzbekistan …
which is why he would NOT appear on the “Payroll” ( as an employee ).
… of course !
This guy tells a simple tale about the economy.
He has made documentaries for Ireland and Australia.
Visual vomit all over the show but the message is good and simple for MSM TV
http://www.davidmcwilliams.ie/addicted-to-money
Max’s vids on Al Jazeera are way better.
Especially laughing uncontrollably into the CIA operatives bed after jumping on it.
That was Gold!
PS@While the 23 CIA guys enjoyed the luxury hotels of Italy, this was going on in Uzbekistan …
Former Brit Ambassador Craig Murray says UK and USA sent prisoners to Uzbek to be tortured
He also explains quite explicitly the relationship between Unical, Enron, Bush Senior and Karzai .
Karzai used to work as a “consultant” for Unical . … which is why he would appear on the “Payroll” ( as an employee ).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNYES8KOIqY&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MQoG5wfx5g&feature=player_embedded
@Max, Can human beings achieve a good system of exchange?.. given the current situation?
@Max
Exactly.
How do we make the ones making the rules accountable and transparent? Therein lies the conundrum.
Its like trying to reason with a drunk guy or a bouncer. Ha!
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i disagree
logically…
the way to force ‘them’ to change is to take away their power… and that means moving prices in ways that they don’t want them to move.
1) boycott the most vulnerable company in the world until it’s stock goes to zero – Coke
2) buy gold – even in amounts of $10 – until the FRFCBS (frac. reserve, fiat currency) banking system collapses.
CUE NAYSAYERS…
‘Why coke?” I think exxon is worse
‘what about jobs’
‘i don’t want to stoop to ‘their’ level
‘but i like coke’
….coke is vulnerable, exxon is not…. you are going to lose your jobs anyway… you have to fight fire with fire…. coke kills
@Max
Exactly.
How do we make the ones making the rules accountable and transparent? Therein lies the conundrum.
Its like trying to reason with a drunk guy or a bouncer. Ha!
“It’s irrelevant what system “they” bring in,.power corrupts and abso,……..blah blah
Even mother seems to be on his own little journey!”
I kind of disagree… systems of exchange found in nature work brilliantly.. photosynthesis being a good example of a ‘frictionless’ exchange of carbon for oxygen (yes, we breathe in plant farts)
it is within the capabilities of humans to mimic nature and create low friction exchanges.. adam smiths ideas have a great deal of merit.. but the implementation and execution of these ideas has been horrible and it’s getting worse as all sorts of ‘negative’ feedback loops creep into the system promising assured destruction of the entire system.
PS@While the 23 CIA guys enjoyed the luxury hotels of Italy, this was going on in Uzbekistan …
http://rawstory.com/2009/11/ambassador-cia-people-tortured/
I want you all to listen … 23 minutes as background audio.
The horrors of the totalitarian regime, torturing people and children to admit they were terrorists – to fit in nicely with CIA plans and WW PR on terrorism. Simply awful !
@Mother earth
Save the tree frogs in the Rain Forest, yes, but you will be more effective if you campaign for condoms rather than join in the CO2 hysteria.
The Inconvenient Truth for Al Gore is its now said he will profit billions from your collective behaviour.
Personally I don’t like propaganda no matter what its message or motive. i think its a form of protectionism in disguise along with a new controlled market that some big wigs can profit from.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOEPOvR1YAM
@ stacy,
Alabama vs JP Morgan
J.P. Morgan Settles Alabama Bribery Case
By MARY WILLIAMS WALSH
Published: November 4, 2009
“J. P. Morgan Securities will forfeit hundreds of millions of dollars in fees on derivatives contracts that it sold an Alabama county, under a settlement announced Wednesday …
The Securities and Exchange Commission charged in a lawsuit on Wednesday that J. P. Morgan had made unlawful payments to friends of Jefferson County’s commissioners in a scheme to win lucrative business from the county to sell bonds and trade in derivatives.
The lawsuit also named two former J. P. Morgan employees. One of those men has already served a short prison term for manipulating similar bond deals in Philadelphia.
To settle the lawsuit, J. P. Morgan will drop its claims for $647 million in termination fees it had been trying to make Jefferson County pay on the derivatives. The settlement also calls for J. P. Morgan to pay a $25 million penalty to the commission and $50 million to the county. …”
Previously covered here:
http://maxkeiser.com/2009/10/20/people-want-to-kill-somebody-but-they-dont-know-who-to-shoot-at/
http://maxkeiser.com/2009/10/23/new-jerseys-indentured-taxpayers-give-goldman-1-million-per-month-for-swaps-on-non-existent-bonds/
It seems like JP Morgan just agreed not to insist on having the icing on their cake, and threw a few dollars back to the suckers. Taxpayers still have to take the overall loss while JP Morgan’s criminal bankers continue to tour the country bribing and tricking their way into the public purse.
@Max
Everything’s a good idea if its not manipulated.
yea… people who are against carbon trading – are aiming too low with their angst. ron paul’s ‘audit the fed’ bill is on the right track.
almost all ‘debates’ in american politics; carbon trading, health care, bank regs – are meaningless if you don’t address the huge gaps in accountability in the top tier banks and funds.
@ MAX
How about silver. Thinking of purchasing that one, but the tax is untill now a no for me.
It’s irrelevant what system “they” bring in,.power corrupts and abso,……..blah blah
Even mother seems to be on his own little journey!
@Max
Everything’s a good idea if its not manipulated.
carbon trading is fine
but you can’t have it controlled by the crooks who control wall st. now
acid rain trading schemes of the ’70′s worked very well.
pricing carbon is not a bad idea… it’s a good idea
but you can’t expect carbon trading to work if GS, JPM and the rest manipulate and abuse the system as they do now with currencies, bonds, stocks, options, and futures
gold is an environmental catastrophe only in nominal terms, not in real terms.
the dollar-gets-destroyed adjusted impact of gold on the environment that results from the destruction of the US dollar and the global fractional reserve, fiat money system is minimal when compared to the real eco damage the US dollar causes to eco-eco-systems (economy-ecology systems) around the world
While the 23 CIA guys enjoyed the luxury hotels of Italy, this was going on in Uzbekistan …
http://rawstory.com/2009/11/ambassador-cia-people-tortured/
2 Videos … 23 mins.
Jim Rogers is right about something he said a few weeks ago.
No chance finding it as he is on the tube 3 times per week
Anyway, he says that once the result of the ‘next leg down’ or financial collapse there won’t be ANY CREDIT for mining, etc.
That, and the fact that they hold USD, is why Jim and China are into buying commodities.
He has an interest that commodities rise in price as he also runs a commodities index which I am sure he believes in.
Thats another reason he appears on the tube as much as he can. You think he likes talking to these bob haired morons on business TV?
@TJ
It is good people like you are so powerless
U.K. – BOE May Expand Bond Plan, ‘Throw Money’ at Economy http://tinyurl.com/yb7fgke
@warburg sidney …. Schoenberg Pierrot lunaire no. 8 Nacht
Nice find .
Reminds of German TV in the early ’70s !
Well, at least just as morbid !
German TV in the early days was really depressing … as if always trying to clean their (MSM) consciences of the memory of WW2. … and still continues today to some extent.
Market Notes Gold Nov 3 Vid http://tinyurl.com/yfw3r9t
@ mother earth
Co2 is not a pollutant but very necessary to make licing possible!
@Mother
The same people who paid for this con game edit Wiki pages too. It’s business and nobody would let that info source slip.
How about those cyanide lakes in Mali?
Hi all,
I got to respond about this climate con debate… we are here 100k years, as species, 200 years we are involved in hevy industry and we think we can jeopardize this beautiful blue and green ball that floats in space for 4,5 bilion years? hah!
start caring for human next to you! Planet is fine!
or as Carlin said it… http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eScDfYzMEEw
as for gold
did you know that croatia has luxury tariff of 30% plus VAT (23%) on real gold?!? (gold bulions & bars, I don’t mean jewlery) I mean, I can’t belive that, we never exited comunism, we are currently in transitional kleptocracy, and hading for debt serf dom in EU, under Austria, Germany & Italy banksters. Like good old time, we only need Turks, and medival dark age is here, again.
Phil Youri
Ones again the 2012 interview mentioned before (sorry that I am of track)
Nacht (night) of the work Pierrot Lunaire of Arnold Schoenberg is based on the idea of the famous sun-spots. These sun-spots form the relevant diagnoses of the illness of the sun threatened in the interview at renze.
Look into the text…. remarkable….
tje sung is here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u6LyYdSQQAQ
Finstre, schwarze Riesenfalte
Obscure, black giant moths
Töteten der Sonne Glanz.
Killed the sun’s splendour.
Ein geschlossnes Zauberbuch,
A closed book of spells,
Ruht der Horizont – verschwiegen.
The horizon settles–hushed
Aus dem Qualm verlorner Tiefen
From the mists of lost depths
Steigt ein Duft, Erinnrung mordend!
Wafts a scent–remembrance murdered!
Finstre, schwarze Reisenfalter
Obscure, black giant moths
Töteten der Sonne Glanz.
Killed the sun’s splendour.
Und vom Himmel erdenwärts
And from the sky earthwards
Senken sich mit schweren Schwingen
Sinking on heavy wings
Unsichtbar die Ungetume
Unseeable the monsters (glide)
Auf die Menschenherzen nieder…
Down into the human . . .
Finstre, schwarze Riesenfalter.
Obscure, black giant moths.
“We’ve got to ride this global warming issue.
Even if the theory of global warming is wrong,
we will be doing the right thing in terms of
economic and environmental policy.”
- Timothy Wirth,
President of the UN Foundation
@Mother,..wake up, you’re being used like a pawn,…and so was Nic,..Try and think about where your knowledge base originates from, and who funds them.
BTW: It doesn’t bother me either way,..I just know a con’.
And isn’t it strange how everyone on the planet is talking the same jibberish?
Peter Schiff: Interest Rates, Tax Credits, Schiff For Senate Money Bomb http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LAHkVytgQak
@TJ
Let me WikipediaWack you here..
“Pollution is the introduction of contaminants into an environment that causes instability, disorder, harm or discomfort to the ecosystem i.e. physical systems or living organisms.”
CO2 is a pollutant.
Thinking about it, all mining is completely dependend on fuel, so any ore is indirectly priced in the fuel used…What else is making it come out of the ground? That means there is a double effect of risinig oil prices, because all resources become more expensive..
1 in 5 people under 25 in Ireland unemployed.
“This generation’s been abandoned, ABANDONED!!”
@NicA
Don’t you think your time would have been better spent making sure chemical manufacturers weren’t turning boys into girls?
http://tinyurl.com/yzxx8be
CO2 is not a pollutant, spend your time more wisely.
Gold: It’s All about the Dollar…and Yes, Dr. Roubini, Inflation http://bit.ly/1Yxcp5
Nic … you may have studied to a very high degree but the people cashing in on this know jack shit about it …..other than its money making potential.
NicAbbo77
But the worlds now cooling isn’t it
Do you disagree with Taibbi.
@ Phil LOL
@RJ, your talking to someone who studied physics, chemistry and biology to a very high level.
‘Gold may touch $4,000 during this bull run’ http://tinyurl.com/yfgvl5r
Will Gold ETF Investors Drive The Price Of Gold To $3,000? http://tinyurl.com/yfvq6c9
Gold Mining Costs At New Mines Nearly $900/Oz – AngloGold Executive http://tinyurl.com/yf2endg
@NicAbbo77
We used to joke about Govt. taxes …
“If they could find a way to Tax the Air, they would”
CO2 tax … seems they finally came up with it !
Chinese gold cheaper than IMF’s – ex-PBOC adviser
http://in.reuters.com/article/businessNews/idINIndia-43702720091105
@max
Bravo.. Transparency is to con artists what gold is to bankers what gold Kryptonite is to Kryptonians..
Honestly, If the US goes bankrupt and nobody supplies oil to them anymore (saudi’s have dropped delivery by 50%) that will be a huge boon for the environment.
Recently Bush sr. revealed he basically set up the end of the cold war with Gorbachov, for economical reasons. Now you could see the invasion of iraq and depletion of US military by Bush jr. as a similar ‘surrender’ coordinated by the international banking system. The inability of the US to project force to avoid it’s demise is good for all other economies. Banks will simply move out. People still need to start seeing the oil lobby as a strategic liability..
Mining and the transportation of mined metals etc. can’t happen without cheap fossil fuels. The Iron price is mostly determined by the oil price (with the recent row between China and Australia to witness). Imho that bodes well for mined resources, because their price will go up with the price of fuel, to a point where they become unavailable. Buy gold to kill the paper fueled economy, then watch it rise because the oil has stopped flowing, cheap desalination, solar power…damn I must be daydreaming again..
And support my efforts! http://www.solarbowl.org http://www.solartrough.org
@Mongo
Yep, yourright gold on $2,000 at the end of next year but Rogers is a long term investment dude so I think he thinks it will go down again after the hype to $2,000 again.
My Prediction is $2,000 at the end of 2010 and $6,000 at the end of 2011.
When is a bubble a bubble? When there is to much money in than there supose to be I quess. So we have a stockmarket bubble not a gold bubble.
@Black douglas … former minster of health in Finland
Great find … maybe if Max sends the link to AJ , he’ll read it !
Only 1,000 Recs from over 1 million views … sad !
Sorry about all the typos everyone. You know I get a bit hot under the collar when people start knocking good science. I was studying global warming 26 years ago, when no one was interested. That was when we needed to do something. It’s way too late now anyway.
But I don’t understand the “they’ll not tax me, I’ll shoot ‘em” attitude. You can avoid future “carbon tax “by becoming carbon neutral – that’s what I try to do. I’m helping to change our local village hall to carbon neutral energy. It’ll cost nothing to install (because of the grants available) it’ll then cost virtually nothing to run (a little for maintenance) and we’ll profit at 36p per unit for the energy we sell to the grid. They’ll even pay for the electricity we generate if we use it ourselves.
How can anyone claim that this is a con by my government to extract money from me? They’ll pay you to put solar panels on your roof and then pay you for the electricity you make EVEN IF YOU USE IT YOURSELF. The only people who don’t want this are the carbon fuel suppliers. Come on everyone, it’s easy to see which the con really is.
Global climate change is real. I accept that it is being exploited in many ways.
NicAbbo77
You’re far too trusting
This man made Global warming con is all about profit for the likes of Gore not about saving the planet.
Its a con
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/28816321/inside_the_great_american_bubble_machine
The Washington Post has also published the winning submissions to its yearly contest in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for common words. And the winners are:
1. Coffee, n. The person upon whom one coughs.
2. Flabbergasted, adj. Appalled by discovering how much weight one has gained.
3. Abdicate, v. To give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.
4. Esplanade, v. To attempt an explanation while drunk.
5. Willy-nilly, adj. Impotent.
6. Negligent, adj. Absentmindedly answering the door when wearing only a nightgown.
7. Lymph, v. To walk with a lisp.
8. Gargoyle, n. Olive-flavored mouthwash.
9. Flatulence, n. Emergency vehicle that picks up someone who has been run over by a steamroller.
10. Balderdash, n. A rapidly receding hairline.
11. Testicle n. A humorous question on an exam.
12. Rectitude, n. The formal, dignified bearing adopted by proctologists.
13. Pokemon, n. A Rastafarian proctologist.
14. Oyster, n. A person who sprinkles his conversation with yiddishisms.
15. Frisbeetarianism, n. The belief that, after death, the soul flies up onto the roof and gets stuck there.
16. Circumvent, n. An opening in the front of boxer shorts worn by gewes men.
Here are the winners of this year’s Washington Post’s Mensa Invitational which once again asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition:
1. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period of time.
2. Ignoranus: A person who is both stupid and an a__hole.
3. Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.
4. Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly.
5. Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future.
6. Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid.
7. Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high
8. Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn’t get it.
9. Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.
10. Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.)
11. Karmageddon: It’s like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it’s like, a serious bummer.
12. Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you.
13. Glibido: All talk and no action.
14. Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.
15. Arachnoleptic Fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you’ve accidentally walked through a spider web.
16. Beelzebug (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito, that gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.
17. Caterpallor (n.): The color you turn after finding half a worm in the fruit you’re eating.
@RJ ..FRS or Govt
Both !
The Govts. like to spend your future tax dollars to get re-elected or are on the take ..
The Banks love to sell them money with interest..
The FRS makes it easier to rob you of your money than actually robbing a bank
… in short !
You CAN’T miss this interview. It’s the former minster of health in Finland on swine flue.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nTgyakGAddM
Maybe someone can pass this on to Alex Jones. He’ll cream over this one!
If there is anyone on this forum that doesn’t know what is “really” going on geopolitically,..they either need to research more or,.they need their fkin’ heads tested.
@mother,..If you were to draft a business plan, how would you monitor it’s implementation and progress?
(just to get away from opinion or philosophical dogma)
@NicA
You nearly sound like the “voice of reason”
Others would call you a “shill”.
Max
Is the fractional reserve system to blame OR incompetent Govts.
Surely if the debt was cleared out (and is this that hard to do. Couldn’t a Govt just issue an interest free bond to a central bank in exchange for money or credit which the central bank could write off against the non existent central bank liability).
Or have I misunderstood somehow.
@Mother. Well said. It is so easy to pull the wool over the eyes of people who want to conned, because they want to go on distroying the atmosphere, becuase they want all theor stuff and their big cars and luxury energy uses. Like @ RJ, for example.
I see plenty of comments on here from people who “are undecided” about the distructive consequences of pumping green-house gasses into the air. To all of them I say, if there is doubt then it is better to be cautious and stop doing it.
To RJ I say you’re just reading what you want to hear. There are millions on scientists worldwide who have worked hard on the study and analysis of green-house gases and global warming. They don’t doubt the damage that is being done. Millions of them. You are caugh up in a double bluff. There is no science in that partition. 31,000 people who claim to have an education, with no verification. Come on, link to something a bit more scientific than that. Here’s a good basic coverage of the facts by one of my favourite publications, New internationalist
http://www.newint.org/issue206/facts.htm
Gold is a environmental disaster for a reason:
The price of gold has been suppressed big time by Central Banks in order to pursue the “strong US$ policy. Because of the artificially low price, miners & refiners has to disinvest in anything not directly related with mining itself.
I am sure that miners, refiners will invest again in environmental technology once gold finds its “natural” market price.
Moral of the story: Interference in the economy always has unintended consequences.
I’m an environmentalist also,..but I know a con’ when I see one.
Actually, if one was to look back to his story, every system portrayed to the masses has been full of deceit. From religion to economics, to legalese etc etc.
Now, don’t get me wrong, I’m all for sound leadership,..but c’mon,..behave!
@Mother … Saudi Arabian Oil
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tzFCcq6tWFg&feature=sub
Where did you get this from “the Saudis are delivering 50% less oil to the US” … at ca. 15 Secs.
?
The question is.. how will it look when people finally resist these monetary giveaways with taxpayer money.. will they hang’em by the tree .. or just pulverise them with a phaser or something.. something must happen soon because these banksters dont see any limits
@maxkeiser
I too consider myself an environmentalist. The Mali link I posted only proves that miners are sloppier in the Third World. Look at
what Texaco’s done in Ecuador.
Gore and his crew don’t like the environment one bit. They want to cut CO2 so weed won’t grow, the good kind.
Oh and one other observation. I don’t think it is profit when you make money as a result of handouts. I think that’s satanic.
gold is an environmental catastrophe but the US dollar is worse.
if everyone bought an ounce of gold and put the fractional reserve system out of business – the environment would enjoy a substantial net gain.
gold is the environmentalist’s money – if you factor in all the inputs and outputs in the global economy.
I am an environmentalist.. that is why I buy gold.
It’s not a bubble in “emerging markets”, it’s the bubble in dollar market. Sooner or later (sooner) this bubble of hot air will bust and then we could see a mother of #### on the market. I hope that Rogers has a good exit strategy.
BTW there is no bubble in Chinese economy?!?
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/02/14-year-commercial-real-estate-supply.html
Yea just like there are too little supply of half-empty mega shopping malls in Eastern Europe. Jim, grow the f.ck up!
@ mother erath,
A that is interesting. In Holland pensionated professors are standing up about the Co2 Hoax. Now they can speak freely because they are not depending on funding anymore.
Any study that didn’t comfirm the co2 climate change couldn’tbe executed because then they would have been eleminated of any funding.
“Profit `Not Satanic,’ Barclays Says, After Goldman Invokes Jesus ”
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601109&sid=aySZ9TS.aODA&pos=11
This is hilarious. Now they’re preaching in Churches. I especially love the end, where it is pointed out that Jesus threw out money changers from synagogues. HAHAHAHAAH.
+1
the reason for ‘dark pools’ and ‘black exchanges’ and non-transparency is to ensure that banks can ‘surprise’ congress whenever it’s convenient to blackmail them for a few trillion more.
obviously transparency would eliminate most of this abuse – but obama’s team has bought into the idea that opaqueness is in the ‘national interest’ of the country… not realizing that the national interest on the debt resulting from this scam will soon eclipse 1 trillion dollars annually for the country.
@ Mother Earth
@ RJ
Man-Made Climate Change is a total con. Why aren’t any of these do-gooders screaming about poisoned environment. Gore isn’t bothered in the least. Example you say?
Most here are interested in gold. The miners in Mali have created cyanide lakes. 800 species of birds, gone! People, next in line;
http://www.anglogold.co.za/subwebs/InformationForInvestors/ReportToSociety04/values_bus_principles/environment/e_cs_mali_7_9.htm
ME-You’ll have to pry the carbon tax from my cold dead hand, careful the other one contains a pistol…
time for for the next leg down
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=a_FFLP_1VrbA&pos=2
As i outlined 9 months ago and have repeated several times; the banks have held trillions in toxic paper off their balance sheet until AFTER christmas bonuses could be locked in.. using the tax payer money to boost their stock price (not make fresh loans) to boost their bonuses.. with bonuses now ‘backed into the cake’ the banks will ‘reveal’ huge unrealized losses (again) and threaten to blow up the economy unless congress gives them a few billion for next year’s christmas bonuses…
Here are the winners of this year’s Washington Post’s Mensa Invitational which once again asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition:
1. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period of time.
2. Ignoranus: A person who is both stupid and an a__hole.
3. Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.
4. Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly.
5. Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future.
6. Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid.
7. Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high
8. Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn’t get it.
9. Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.
10. Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.)
11. Karmageddon: It’s like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it’s like, a serious bummer.
12. Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you.
13. Glibido: All talk and no action.
14. Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.
15. Arachnoleptic Fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you’ve accidentally walked through a spider web.
16. Beelzebug (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito, that gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.
17. Caterpallor (n.): The color you turn after finding half a worm in the fruit you’re eating.
The Washington Post has also published the winning submissions to its yearly contest in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for common words. And the winners are:
1. Coffee, n. The person upon whom one coughs.
2. Flabbergasted, adj. Appalled by discovering how much weight one has gained.
3. Abdicate, v. To give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.
4. Esplanade, v. To attempt an explanation while drunk.
5. Willy-nilly, adj. Impotent.
6. Negligent, adj. Absentmindedly answering the door when wearing only a nightgown.
7. Lymph, v. To walk with a lisp.
8. Gargoyle, n. Olive-flavored mouthwash.
9. Flatulence, n. Emergency vehicle that picks up someone who has been run over by a steamroller.
10. Balderdash, n. A rapidly receding hairline.
11. Testicle n. A humorous question on an exam.
12. Rectitude, n. The formal, dignified bearing adopted by proctologists.
13. Pokemon, n. A Rastafarian proctologist.
14. Oyster, n. A person who sprinkles his conversation with yiddishisms.
15. Frisbeetarianism, n. The belief that, after death, the soul flies up onto the roof and gets stuck there.
16. Circumvent, n. An opening in the front of boxer shorts worn by Je wish men.
Here are the winners of this year’s Washington Post’s Mensa Invitational which once again asked readers to take any word from the dictionary, alter it by adding, subtracting, or changing one letter, and supply a new definition:
1. Cashtration (n.): The act of buying a house, which renders the subject financially impotent for an indefinite period of time.
2. Ignoranus: A person who is both stupid and an a__hole.
3. Intaxication: Euphoria at getting a tax refund, which lasts until you realize it was your money to start with.
4. Reintarnation: Coming back to life as a hillbilly.
5. Bozone (n.): The substance surrounding stupid people that stops bright ideas from penetrating. The bozone layer unfortunately, shows little sign of breaking down in the near future.
6. Foreploy: Any misrepresentation about yourself for the purpose of getting laid.
7. Giraffiti: Vandalism spray-painted very, very high
8. Sarchasm: The gulf between the author of sarcastic wit and the person who doesn’t get it.
9. Inoculatte: To take coffee intravenously when you are running late.
10. Osteopornosis: A degenerate disease. (This one got extra credit.)
11. Karmageddon: It’s like, when everybody is sending off all these really bad vibes, right? And then, like, the Earth explodes and it’s like, a serious bummer.
12. Decafalon (n.): The grueling event of getting through the day consuming only things that are good for you.
13. Glibido: All talk and no action.
14. Dopeler Effect: The tendency of stupid ideas to seem smarter when they come at you rapidly.
15. Arachnoleptic Fit (n.): The frantic dance performed just after you’ve accidentally walked through a spider web.
16. Beelzebug (n.): Satan in the form of a mosquito, that gets into your bedroom at three in the morning and cannot be cast out.
17. Caterpallor (n.): The color you turn after finding half a worm in the fruit you’re eating.
The Washington Post has also published the winning submissions to its yearly contest in which readers are asked to supply alternate meanings for common words. And the winners are:
1. Coffee, n. The person upon whom one coughs.
2. Flabbergasted, adj. Appalled by discovering how much weight one has gained.
3. Abdicate, v. To give up all hope of ever having a flat stomach.
4. Esplanade, v. To attempt an explanation while drunk.
5. Willy-nilly, adj. Impotent.
6. Negligent, adj. Absentmindedly answering the door when wearing only a nightgown.
7. Lymph, v. To walk with a lisp.
8. Gargoyle, n. Olive-flavored mouthwash.
9. Flatulence, n. Emergency vehicle that picks up someone who has been run over by a steamroller.
10. Balderdash, n. A rapidly receding hairline.
11. Testicle n. A humorous question on an exam.
12. Rectitude, n. The formal, dignified bearing adopted by proctologists.
13. Pokemon, n. A Rastafarian proctologist.
14. Oyster, n. A person who sprinkles his conversation with yiddishisms.
15. Frisbeetarianism, n. The belief that, after death, the soul flies up onto the roof and gets stuck there.
16. Circumvent, n. An opening in the front of boxer shorts worn by Jewish men.
Mother Earth
Isn’t global warming a con
http://www.petitionproject.org/
http://www.canada.com/saskatoonstarphoenix/news/story.html?id=31989503-ead6-4a40-90c0-28117e4dbc91&p=1
Yes, the article seems so much soap opera
“He said” vs “She said”…
My current viewing is a best not that much different, just not financial:
Hallo Holly – Serie 4 Episode 12 – Vals Geburtstag (Part 2/2)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2TJ2QHbs3No&NR=1
Goldan Sachs?? Freudian slip!
‘Cos we love Goldan Sachs….
Mystery: Why did Goldman stop scrutinizing loans it bought?
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/homepage/story/77788.html
One couple stands up to Goldman Sachs
http://videos.mcclatchydc.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=7032044
Goldman Sachs’ secret bets
http://videos.mcclatchydc.com/vmix_hosted_apps/p/media?id=7031974
They day i heard Roubini supporting Ben Bernake..( during his re nomination)…i have put him on my black list…
Rogers says a lot of things…even contradicting at times…but i like him….
Mike Ruppert interview in Wall St journal today
Sounding an Alarm on Oil: Independent journalist Michael Ruppert predicted the global recession. Now he’s foreseeing an imminent energy crisis
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703932904574511942676683258.html
“The price of gold will double to at least $2,000 an ounce in the next decade, he said.”
Decade?.. how about within a year!
Egos and agendas.
Was thinking about this yesterday: How about a question time for the next TAM? I’m sure we could get 15 intelligent questions together collectively for the show. Say 3 mins on each question and the remaining 15 on topics of wonderment such as cornish pasties and Bobby Sands.
I’m sure it would be a great Max & Stacy/audience argumentative extravaganza!
I’m reading about the internationally organized lobby that are strangling good climate policy…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/exposed-the-worldwide-eff_n_346110.html
They should be jailed for reckless endangerment of humanity..
Curse you Troy Ounce!!
Morning y’all! What a terrible wet morning it is here in Ireland.
Rogers is half right, Roubini is wrong.
1St!