178 responses so far ↓

• stacyherbert

  Nov 5, 2009 at 9:32 am

  

  @WL – actually, I took a course in climate science in 1989 at UCLA, long before it was talked about on television; but re: greenhouse gas effect, I first learned about that in 8th grade and then a few years later in the 12th grade I did more studies and experiments on it as well
• frances snoot

  Nov 5, 2009 at 9:43 am

  

  Is the question being debated man’s ability to alter the carbon cycle or the ability of men to deceive other men into accepting slavery as the answer to ecological issues?
• Youri Carma

  Nov 5, 2009 at 10:00 am

  

  @stacyherbert

  AhA ! So here the brainwashing took place alla Hitler Jugend or Maoist Xi- na ho brainwasing. Glad we found the cause of this dogmatice way of thinking. CO2 is so little produced by human it doesn’t haver any significants. Clouds are the most imnportant greenhouse gas and above all scientific evidence from ice samples proves the truth.
• merci

  Nov 5, 2009 at 10:08 am

  

  2010 must be the target year for the club of Rome

  Don’t forget about Codex Alimentarius set to end the public’s access to vitamins, minerals and all those now commonly held OTC herbs.

  It also begins the implementation of a Global mandate and controls over all foods. National sovereignty will be eliminated with this nefarious plan.

  It is real and about to be unleashed.

  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQoISHqyYik
• WL

  Nov 5, 2009 at 10:20 am

  

  @stacy

  So, you are one of the few who actually understands the scientific process and the definition of hypothesis.

  Maybe you can explain the leap from CO2 is a greenhouse gas to CO2 causes global warming. Careful its a trick, do your research. Do all defined Greenhouse gases have the same efficacy? What are all the planets sources of CO2?

  Finally, what would the impact of a cooler planet be on say food production? Careful

  Finally, should we also ban Dihydrogen monoxide
• frances snoot

  Nov 5, 2009 at 10:41 am

  

  @WL:
  You do see where this is going? There is no debate anymore: the politicos have decided to set greenhouse quotas. The mandates will be enforced through a global banking exchange which answers to a global bank which sets the exchange of surplus and deficit from trade to suit the uber-lords. The unfunded mandates will create a need to reduce populations. The trade will endear death as profitable.

  Looks like Prince Philip is coming back as a viral agent through his viral agencies.

  A twelveth-grade science student could figure out the outcome: engineered genocide through disease and death profiteering.
• Joe

  Nov 5, 2009 at 11:03 am

  

  Dont forget in 2003 massive bursts from the sun of radiation had large effects on cloud distribution and in ocean temperatures http://www.hulu.com/watch/95111/cosmic-journeys-attack-of-the-sun#s-p2-so-i0

  Worth the watch
• WL

  Nov 5, 2009 at 11:05 am

  

  @frances

  I see the complete pre cradle to grave enslavement. A form of carbon Eugenics. This Utopian delusion will cause more misery, death, civil unrest and war than the present. This scheme will ultimately fail, but I have lost all confidence in human intelligence overcoming emotive reasoning. This is an economic disaster designed to control population.

  We have cooling this winter and my sources say we may have global food shortages.

  I like your Avatar, looks very Canadian – unintentional.
• Joe

  Nov 5, 2009 at 11:06 am

  

  @frances
  Goldman already is securitzing life insurance plans as their next huge profit scheme. It was either posted on here or by someone in the discussion board. Im glad we put so much money into a investment bank that provides no benefit to the real economy….
• frances snoot

  Nov 5, 2009 at 11:07 am

  

  @MotherEarth:

  “@TJ
  It is good people like you are so powerless”

  Guess that means you won’t introduce him to the Consigliere, eh?
• merci

  Nov 5, 2009 at 11:14 am

  

  Joe,

  It’s actually called Dead Peasants Insurance

  “….But he rejected the idea that corporate-owned life insurance was immoral or a company bet against its workers.

  Its an important business planning tool, Dolan said. Companies are using it for extremely valid reasons.”

  http://moneycentral.msn.com/content/Insurance/P64954.asp
• frances snoot

  Nov 5, 2009 at 11:16 am

  

  Yes, WL. Greenspan was right. The real problem is a matter of ethics, always. Not religion, not science, not economy, not any agent or agency: but the willingness of men to throw their souls down as meaningless fodder for gain which gains nothing.

  I don’t believe that people truly are ever ‘altruistic’ but see gain as a means to the end for their own gain.

  “O, Stephen will apologize.
  Dante said:
  – O, if not, the eagles will come and pull out his eyes.–
  Pull out his eyes,
  Apologize,
  Apologize,
  Pull out his eyes.
  Apologize,
  Pull out his eyes,
  Pull out his eyes,
  Apologize.”

  http://www.online-literature.com/james_joyce/portrait_artist_young_man/1/
• norcalkid

  Nov 5, 2009 at 11:22 am

  

  Just a question… How many of you know the Club of Rome published a book on the environment in the early 1970s, detailing the results of runaway over-population? Well, they did. And “we” did, and there are more of us now around to see the results.

  As of now, the Earth is a closed system, like a pitri dish. Humans are the bacteria growing in the dish. Review the concept of exponential growth (Chris Martenson’s Crash Course, etc.) and we are near the point of overwhelming the dish’s medium. We cannot go on the way we were, it is simply impossible.

  The financial and environmental worlds have both turned the corner on the hockey stick graph and both are heading for a crash. We can argue who/what caused the problems, but that does little to help find answers. What is happening in the financial markets is a patchwork solution, but it is akin to bailing out the Titanic with a bucket. Ditto the environmental problems. Sadly, the outcome probably will mean loss of many lives, mass displacement and the end of things as we know them.
• frances snoot

  Nov 5, 2009 at 11:27 am

  

  “As of now, the Earth is a closed system, like a pitri dish. Humans are the bacteria growing in the dish. Review the concept of exponential growth (Chris Martenson’s Crash Course, etc.) and we are near the point of overwhelming the dish’s medium. We cannot go on the way we were, it is simply impossible.”

  @Norcal:

  If someone handed you a revolver, would you use it against yourself to help solve the bacterial infestation you term human growth?

  It seems it is always ‘the other’ who must suffer to make the world comfy-cozy for the chosen ones.
• Joe

  Nov 5, 2009 at 11:29 am

  

  @norcalkid

  there is a tipping point in population where we exceed the limitations of growth due to food shortages and water, ive seen predictions of what the number is and when we will meet and its crazy. Once we get to that point more will die due to it than what the normal carry capacity is.
• Joe

  Nov 5, 2009 at 11:35 am

  

  Its okay the ones in charge will decide who will live and let the rest fight for themselves like cavemen in a experiment of Darwin’s theory of evolution.

  this is what makes this discussion board so great so we don’t have to talk on the Huffington Post about mindlessness of how Silly and funny Obama’s campaign was at times over 2008…
• frances snoot

  Nov 5, 2009 at 11:36 am

  

  “A child, more than all other gifts
  That the earth can offer to declining man,
  Brings hope with it, and forward-looking thoughts.”
  Wordsworth

  http://www.bartleby.com/41/372.html
• Mep

  Nov 5, 2009 at 12:12 pm

  

  Alan Grayson reads aloud how many people will die in each Republican congressman’s district due to GOP opposition to health care reform:

  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/alan-grayson-reads-names_n_346745.html

  Ha.
• developero

  Nov 5, 2009 at 12:13 pm

  

  @Troy Ounce:
  No. However it apears that it is old law from ex-yugoslavia. So it is quite posible that all republics of ex-yugoslavia still have that law. With exception of slovenia, that is in EU allready.

  so much of “capitalism” brought to people. None! Niente! Nada!

  this is kleptokracy of few, and when people lose It…

  in ’80th we robed banks with credits, and than payed it with inflating money, because everyone got their ajusted pay checks, and credits stayed the same. Then everyone had jobs. Today, it’s another story…

  Any way, it is quite simple why it is. Politicans here don’t understand true nature of serving The People Idea. No matter, we manage to raise of mud, every time. though MF we are. and the truth to be said, food, cigarets and alcohol here can be as good asset as gold ))))))

  PS: here is joke, that when bosnia, croatia & serbia joins in EU, EU will collapse… ;+)
  hi hi hi
• merci

  Nov 5, 2009 at 12:26 pm

  

  “the earth is now a closed system”

  Think for yourself man. The earth is not a closed system.

  The Hegelian dialectic is in full force. This “club” has honed the art of creating whatever problem they can and profit from it….while at the same time making the public captive.

  If all of this was known and studied decades ago, why is this suddenly a problem that must be addressed immediately. Why must the treaty be signed by Dec 2009.? What will happen if it is not signed by that date?

  Don’t you notice that unprecedented amounts of legislation and mandates are trying to be pushed through as soon as possible, without any meaningful public debate?
  Why weren’t measures taken to mitigate things, such as pollution and overpopulation long ago…. in a manner that would benefit all of us?

  Carbon taxing is not the answer to our environmental problems.

  To quote Frances Snoot;
  “Is the question being debated man’s ability to alter the carbon cycle or the ability of men to deceive other men into accepting slavery as the answer to ecological issues?”
• Daniel S

  Nov 5, 2009 at 12:55 pm

  

  Climate change and global warming aren’t the same thing. We know that people have a lot of impact on climate. People have created deserts for example. The carbon market is shaping up to be the biggest racket in history. That doesn’t form a basis to argue for or against global warming. The existence of a racket doesn’t prove or disprove the theory it is leveraged against.

  Because people can affect climate so much, they should be focusing on protecting their regions (water, wild-life including migrating animals, non genetically tampered seeds), localizing food production, etc. But instead you’ve got people focusing on issues that are too big for them to actually do anything about which excuses them from taking any action. Regardless of the criminal rackets in finance, political power, war, drugs, food production, energy, etc. the answer is the same. Localizing economies to cut off the flow of resources to those who run these rackets, and thus empowering people to protect and enhance the lives in their communities.

  Unfortunately people think in terms of objects rather than processes, individuals instead of communities, and want to talk instead of taking action for fear of making a mistake, looking stupid and losing resources. They’re waiting for someone else to lead while failing to spot and support the leaders and practices we already have. Hence all the BS Walmart apologizing and individual survivalism/profiteering hopes here.

  People are powerful, not just to destroy. With the right knowledge and practices we can control local climate at least in small zones that protect species, food production, water etc. But people who could be building ecologically robust and diverse farms/oasis locally, are arguing about Al Gore instead. It is a narrow perspective based on a subject that gives one a false impression of having a broad view.

  You will not be protected by “winning” the global warming argument. Recognize that individual or family-based survivalism will fail. Start working on the solution to the plethora of rackets rather than arguing about the theory propping up the next big one. Buy your next pair of shoes from a local cobbler, your groceries from a local grower. Help set up a community financed permaculture farm in your area. Or keep bickering even after you’re in a rail car with the other “jews”.
• Daniel S

  Nov 5, 2009 at 1:01 pm

  

  Guh, I think typing the J e w word got my post dumped into moderated oblivion.
• Supergeek

  Nov 5, 2009 at 1:16 pm

  

  @maxkeiser.com
  gold=ecology… well I don’t usually use these but LOL… and LOL again… why didn’t you just say ‘it feels awesome, so fuck all y’all’
• norcalkid

  Nov 5, 2009 at 4:15 pm

  

  @merci (and frances): “Why weren’t measures taken to mitigate things, such as pollution and overpopulation long ago…. in a manner that would benefit all of us?”

  It -was- tried, but the religious nutters were against any birth control (and still are)… then we got Ronnie Raygun and people forgot all about environmental issues. For all intents, the Earth is a closed system; we are not mining asteroids or growing food on Mars.

  Anyone remember the group Zero Population Growth? I took the population issue seriously, and didn’t have kids. It is probably too late to address the population/carrying capacity issue. I think the tipping point has been reached, or soon will be reached. Yes, people will die too soon, and that is sad. The real world is too much like the Titanic, and there are simply not enough lifeboats for everyone.

  As for taking a gun to my head, that is so messy; bleeding out is far less traumatic, so I have heard.
• frances snoot

  Nov 5, 2009 at 5:17 pm

  

  As for taking a gun to my head, that is so messy; bleeding out is far less traumatic, so I have heard.

  @Norcalkid:
  Sorry about that. It was a rhetorical question.
• frances snoot

  Nov 5, 2009 at 5:22 pm

  

  @Norcalkid:

  What do you think is a good solution?
• merci

  Nov 5, 2009 at 5:31 pm

  

  @norcal

  Oh, I remember Zero Pop Growth! Imo, it was not a serious effort to educate the masses.Even so, I do agree that it faced great opposition from religious groups.

  My point is that we are seeing a clearly planned series of events to collapse the global economies and to destabilize society. In the confusion and panic the NWO is attempting to take over and implement oppressive measures.

  An orderly and humane course of action was completely doable, but the more I learn the more I realize that this was never the intention.

  I am an environmentalist and advocate strongly, but I do Not agree that this carbon taxing is the answer. It is a scam and will do nothing to actually help us save the planet or ourselves.

  It is a money making scheme that will exact more and more control…. our laws and civil liberties are disappearing with each new mandate from these global organizations.

  They do not care about the public. Do you understand this?
• Adam C

  Nov 8, 2009 at 5:18 am

  

  @Daniel S

  Fantastic comment. Great advice.