Fantastic comment. Great advice.

Oh, I remember Zero Pop Growth! Imo, it was not a serious effort to educate the masses.Even so, I do agree that it faced great opposition from religious groups.

My point is that we are seeing a clearly planned series of events to collapse the global economies and to destabilize society. In the confusion and panic the NWO is attempting to take over and implement oppressive measures.

An orderly and humane course of action was completely doable, but the more I learn the more I realize that this was never the intention.

I am an environmentalist and advocate strongly, but I do Not agree that this carbon taxing is the answer. It is a scam and will do nothing to actually help us save the planet or ourselves.

It is a money making scheme that will exact more and more control…. our laws and civil liberties are disappearing with each new mandate from these global organizations.

They do not care about the public. Do you understand this?

What do you think is a good solution?

@Norcalkid:
Sorry about that. It was a rhetorical question.

It -was- tried, but the religious nutters were against any birth control (and still are)… then we got Ronnie Raygun and people forgot all about environmental issues. For all intents, the Earth is a closed system; we are not mining asteroids or growing food on Mars.

Anyone remember the group Zero Population Growth? I took the population issue seriously, and didn’t have kids. It is probably too late to address the population/carrying capacity issue. I think the tipping point has been reached, or soon will be reached. Yes, people will die too soon, and that is sad. The real world is too much like the Titanic, and there are simply not enough lifeboats for everyone.

As for taking a gun to my head, that is so messy; bleeding out is far less traumatic, so I have heard.

Because people can affect climate so much, they should be focusing on protecting their regions (water, wild-life including migrating animals, non genetically tampered seeds), localizing food production, etc. But instead you’ve got people focusing on issues that are too big for them to actually do anything about which excuses them from taking any action. Regardless of the criminal rackets in finance, political power, war, drugs, food production, energy, etc. the answer is the same. Localizing economies to cut off the flow of resources to those who run these rackets, and thus empowering people to protect and enhance the lives in their communities.

Unfortunately people think in terms of objects rather than processes, individuals instead of communities, and want to talk instead of taking action for fear of making a mistake, looking stupid and losing resources. They’re waiting for someone else to lead while failing to spot and support the leaders and practices we already have. Hence all the BS Walmart apologizing and individual survivalism/profiteering hopes here.

People are powerful, not just to destroy. With the right knowledge and practices we can control local climate at least in small zones that protect species, food production, water etc. But people who could be building ecologically robust and diverse farms/oasis locally, are arguing about Al Gore instead. It is a narrow perspective based on a subject that gives one a false impression of having a broad view.

You will not be protected by “winning” the global warming argument. Recognize that individual or family-based survivalism will fail. Start working on the solution to the plethora of rackets rather than arguing about the theory propping up the next big one. Buy your next pair of shoes from a local cobbler, your groceries from a local grower. Help set up a community financed permaculture farm in your area. Or keep bickering even after you’re in a rail car with the other “jews”.

Think for yourself man. The earth is not a closed system.

The Hegelian dialectic is in full force. This “club” has honed the art of creating whatever problem they can and profit from it….while at the same time making the public captive.

If all of this was known and studied decades ago, why is this suddenly a problem that must be addressed immediately. Why must the treaty be signed by Dec 2009.? What will happen if it is not signed by that date?

Don’t you notice that unprecedented amounts of legislation and mandates are trying to be pushed through as soon as possible, without any meaningful public debate?
Why weren’t measures taken to mitigate things, such as pollution and overpopulation long ago…. in a manner that would benefit all of us?

Carbon taxing is not the answer to our environmental problems.

To quote Frances Snoot;
“Is the question being debated man’s ability to alter the carbon cycle or the ability of men to deceive other men into accepting slavery as the answer to ecological issues?”

so much of “capitalism” brought to people. None! Niente! Nada!

this is kleptokracy of few, and when people lose It…

in ’80th we robed banks with credits, and than payed it with inflating money, because everyone got their ajusted pay checks, and credits stayed the same. Then everyone had jobs. Today, it’s another story…

Any way, it is quite simple why it is. Politicans here don’t understand true nature of serving The People Idea. No matter, we manage to raise of mud, every time. though MF we are. and the truth to be said, food, cigarets and alcohol here can be as good asset as gold ))))))

PS: here is joke, that when bosnia, croatia & serbia joins in EU, EU will collapse… ;+)
hi hi hi

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/alan-grayson-reads-names_n_346745.html

Ha.

http://www.bartleby.com/41/372.html

this is what makes this discussion board so great so we don’t have to talk on the Huffington Post about mindlessness of how Silly and funny Obama’s campaign was at times over 2008…

there is a tipping point in population where we exceed the limitations of growth due to food shortages and water, ive seen predictions of what the number is and when we will meet and its crazy. Once we get to that point more will die due to it than what the normal carry capacity is.