Stacy Summary: I’m reading about this march on White House by 200 African Americans. “We recognize that Barack Hussein Obama is white power in black face,” civil rights activist Omali Yeshitela, chairman of the Black is Back coalition which arranged the protest, called into a megaphone as the group marched outside the mansion’s gates. “He is a tool of our imperialist enemies and we demand our freedom. And we demand that Obama withdraw all the troops from Afghanistan right now.” – - (Stacy – Other than this, I haven’t seen any protest in US or UK about Afghanistan . . . have you?)
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moderating first
First
Hey on my web page i was first ROFL
I am older than you are bom!
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/8349020.stm
China dumping more dollars, i think you can safly say $50 billion not $5 & 3 years?……..3 weeks more like!
Mike
haven’t seen (mass global) protest since bush left, all peace activists bought in to the obama brand. Guess people are just used to it after 8 years (longer than WW2), some independents criticise obama but it ends there. 200 lol, mlk jr would be proud of the involvement of the community. Atleast some speak out againt war thats the most important although the 2 million tea party people wanted to stop government spending; the first 5 trillion of state debt are due to wars (and counting def budget increased again although media suggest other wise). It just race injection to focus on african americans; mlk jr dream never came trough. Quite ignorant to expect when someone gets so much money of wallstreet that he will work for the people; the afp article is just full of race injection/diversion/distraction can you count how many white/black words are mentioned?
and no mention of pakistan? btw always the press mixes in violence/domestic terrorism when protested. Do you really think Obama suddenly thinks now; o i better stop killing innocent people for profit. Waste of time to walk on to washington, whether it is with 200 or 2 million people.
@AM – yeah, I suppose those code pink sort of groups protest in these same sort of numbers but get no media coverage
We have
Lloyds secret global central bank funding
US healthcare passes house
China dumping $$s
What will gold do tonight???
@WL – good question re: where gold will open; there is also this:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/financialcrisis/6521579/G20-finance-ministers-agree-to-maintain-fiscal-support.html
Those CB Bastards are keeping the UK £ up as well…………i want “TOB”!!!!!
Mike
@stacy unless they carry weapons :-p then it gets coverage to provoke/promote anti gun laws. (btw im not anti guns, but i think resistance is a state of mind if tyranny knocks on your door in a uniform it probably has an robot army to back it up; yet i can understand the reason of self protection yet i think it shows in countries with less guns have less (violent) crimes although the justice system plays a big part, and the CIA/prisonsystem) The most disturbing fact is that the mj dead story was the biggest of the last 10 years; not 9/11, darfur, iraq, afghanistan or a billion starving people; i think that shows what kind of state the people are in.
With the IMF saying that Britain is ‘uniquely vulnerable’ in the crisis I think it’s starting to dawn on commentators that Britain is going into ‘Brownruptcy’.
Does anyone know the difference between a poor country and a rich country?
okay time to ask: Why do people leave messages like “First” in the comment section, what is up with that?
Breitbart has the march from AFP
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.6f62e62ec98e62b601c7a62d8569d820.10a1&show_article=1
@Dedo a middle class. thats the best answer i would have. maybe a rich nation exploits the poor; but supposed rich countries like the uk or the us are in debt as well. there’s an elite/oligarchy profiting/parasiting of society. And what do you define as rich? every country has starvation, is it the amount of money?/gdp or self sufficiency.
@Dedo – lack of banks, available credit to the people. Everywhere there is poverty there is a lack of banking system.
@Dedo – Difference between a rich country and a poor country.
Rich countries have lots of weapons and use them frequently. Poor countries do what rich countries tell them to do.
Care to comment Stacy?
Rich country and poor country,…would be interested in your perspectives
@Palantíri a fractional reserve banking system will not help; credit is available, the policies of the IMF/worldbank impoverish countries. Beside the colonial expeditions of mining/oil companies; congo, sudan, nigeria and so on. A lot of “poor” countries without banking system were self sufficient and not in debt; but WTO/imf/world bank/bis forced those to open their markets and the result is seen today. Or credit is available but “due to risk” the interest is very high which doesn’t make sense at all; this is a reasonable documentary; http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4353655982817317115&ei=Bff2SrWjAZSo-AaIkejVDQ&q=collapse+argentina# http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6756318286045228473# the lack of a banking system doesn’t mean anything; see the US, inflation is a hidden tax on the middle class. I don’t want to pretend i’m perfect but i think this is debatable.
@Dedo – poor countries are usually short of bankers & rich in resources
How about bringing back the real bills system? Supposedly the textile mills of England ran for 100 years on real bills financing w/o any banks.
Hidden vid discussion between the Fed and Treasury
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch8uCOPbH7I
Does anyone know the difference between a poor country and a rich country?
http://siteresources.worldbank.org/INTEEI/214578-1110886258964/20748034/All.pdf
This volume asks a key question: Where is the Wealth of Nations? Answering this question yields important insights into the prospects for sustainable development in countries around the world. The estimates of total wealth–including produced, natural, and human and institutional capital–suggest that human capital and the value of institutions (as measured by rule of law) constitute the largest share of wealth in virtually all countries.
It is striking that natural capital constitutes a quarter of total wealth in low-income countries, greater than the share of produced capital. This suggests that better management of ecosystems and natural resources will be key to sustaining development while these countries build their infrastructure and human and institutional capital. Particularly noteworthy is the share of cropland and pastureland in the natural wealth of poor countries–at nearly 70 percent, this argues for a strong focus on efforts to sustain soil quality.
bottom line truth on this subject is that if Obama suddenly sprouted some balls and took either a stand against the Military complex or the Banksters he would be assasinated within a month. No question in my mind. The military coup staged with ease in 63′ reset the distribution of power in Washington. No one has dared to challenge them since and all understandings are quiet and backroom in nature for all ‘Presidential’ nominees since that day. Just imagine Kucinich in office. Within a few hours he would be poisoned,bludgeoned or shot and I doubt ‘they’ would even attempt to cover it up.
Only if there is very serious countervailing power in the streets would Hopey even so much as budge. This would take millions in a sit down affair in Washington and a virtual shut down of the day to day operations. Even then Hopey would mostly be huddled in conference with the Joint Chiefs and with
Geithner and cronies.
Hopey is the perfect evolution of the bogus leader or cartoon figure head. He bears its definition. AT least Kennedy faced down U.S. Steel and most importantly, gave me life when he denied LeMay and the other crazies their lust for premption in the Cuban Crisis. He was the only one in the room who said that was not an option. Imagine Nixon in that situation. There would be no blogging now and no Internet. I know Kennedy was mostly myth, but for that one action alone, I am grateful.
Now look at this limp bastard Hopey McChange. The pimp with the smile, the song and the dance. What a sick joke.
Some Americans just have not caught on to the fact that the Dems and Repubs really are not in control. Pretty simple really.
@AM – look back in history, it has not always been like that. Like it or not but Fractional reserve banking is the very reason for the success of western nation’s growth the past centuries. The overkill of gearing you see from Wall Street banks today has not always been.
In a nut shell, look at LETS (local exchange trading systems) and how well that works in small communities because the credit stays within the community. IMF/world bank may have started off well, but to lend outside money into a community where all created wealth then goes out of the community back to IMF/world bank does not help in the long run, the community will still be poor and with interest even more poor but if the community do create their own bank, their own system, then money will circulate within the community.
The video of Argentina is the perfect example of all resources in the world can be zeroed out through bad financial leadership.
Palantíri, just try it ones and you´ll find out why!
Why the disconnect between how the agitating crusaders for freedom of the 60s and 70s saw the world and how they now see government controlled health care, schools, businesses, banks, parenting, and recreation ? I had expected, at a minimum, seeing them carrying signs saying I cant believe I am still protesting this shit … instead it appears they have been assimilated.
@Dedo:
“Does anyone know the difference between a poor country and a rich country?”
Classification according to subjective guidelines meted by the old wankers who write history books.
@Stacy – Cindy Sheehan organized a small group a month or so ago to protest the wars. I think she went to Martha’s Vineyard first because Obama was on vacation there and then they hit up the White House – I’m pretty sure she got arrested. But other than that no, no one cares about the wars now that bush can’t be jeered about them. In fact, right before Sheehan’s protest she was interviewed by Alex Jones and she told him that she had approached all the major groups on the Left who had organized protests in the past in order to organize an anti-war protest. Apparently they wanted nothing to do with it – they were all nervous about protesting the wars now that Obama was in office.
@Stacy
The Pink Ladies are all happy as clams with Obama.
Seems they forgot about the war too.
Must have been distracted last week with the “God Hates Fags” people ” bringing the noise”.
Maybe the broken bottles in Italy story will get them off their bums
and back on track.
The Obama look is really catching on. Too bad, I like black people.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/07/sammy-sosas-skin-photos-p_n_349602.html
“Democrats pass health care bill in the middle of the night”
http://joshfulton.blogspot.com/2009/11/democrats-pass-health-care-bill-in.html
@ Stacy – Haven’t seen many protests. Next Wednesday is Veteran’s Day . . . I’m hoping that some anti-war protests will take place on that day. Looking around for local events, but haven’t come across anything yet. Rumors are that Obama is thinking about sending 34,000 more troops.
At least Canada gets it; they’ve announced that they are pulling out and will be all out by 2011.
@ Max & Stacy – Forgot to mention on the last Truth about Markets thread that Ohio recently reversed their decades-long opposition to casinos in three counties:
http://www.cleveland.com/datacentral/index.ssf/2009/11/ohio_casino_vote_passes_on_str.html
@Frances,….gee,.you don’t mince words, do ya?
Obama is a tool of the religious zealots who are keeping us atheists down.
Politicians are whores,
Serving corporate johns,
Who wanna be pimps.
Veritas – Don’t know what you’re referring to exactly when you call Obama a tool of the religious zealots. But I would say that the House of Reps. fits that bill.
Yesterday, they went along with the wish of the Catholic bishops to include language in the health care bill that will effectively BAN abortions in the new health care exchange. There were all kinds of rumors about “taxpayer dollars being used to fund abortions” under the reform plan, and instead of using facts to fight back, the House allowed and passed an amendment that will ban all insurance companies as well as the “public option” in the new exchange from COVERING abortion services…doesn’t matter that policy holders will be paying premiums for coverage. This is the biggest attack on women’s reproductive rights that we’ve seen in a long, long time. And it apparently took a Democratic majority to bring it about.
There is a reason that we have separation of church and state in our Constitution. It’s a goddamned shame that Congress doesn’t respect it.
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Powered by Digg’s Users”An addict is someone who uses their body to tell society that something is wrong.” –Stella Adler (1901-1992)
In last year’s powerful independent documentary, What A Way To Go: Life at the End of Empire, producer Sally Erickson pulled from her 20 years working as a therapist in private practice to attempt to explain why so many people, perhaps even you, are so unhappy.
The film from writer-director TS Bennett is an epic exploration of a Middle American, middle-class white father of three coming to grips with climate change, resource crises, environmental meltdown and the demise of the American lifestyle. It is as compassionate a film as it is utterly terrifying.
Through a pastiche of revolutionary thinkers including Derrick Jensen, Daniel Quinn, Jerry Mander, Richard Manning and Chellis Glendinning, What A Way To Go concludes that industrial civilization — and its end product, consumerism — has disconnected us from nature, the cycle of life, our communities, our families and, ultimately, ourselves. This unnatural, inorganic, materialistic way of living, coupled with a marked decline in society’s moral and ethical standards — what the French call anomie — has created a kind of pathology that produces pain and emptiness, for which addictive behavior becomes the primary symptom and consumption the preferred drug of choice.
“What most of us experience when it comes to addiction,” says Erickson, “is a pattern of continually seeking more of what it is we don’t really want and, therefore, never being fully satisfied. And as long as we are never satisfied, we continue to seek more, while our real needs are never being met.”
“Addiction in one form or another characterizes every aspect of industrial society,” wrote the social philosopher Morris Berman, and dependence on substances or corporeal pleasures is no different from dependence on “prestige, career achievement, world influence, wealth, the need to build more ingenious bombs or the need to exercise control over everything.”
At the very least, this certainly raises questions about the dominant, socially accepted view of addiction, the disempowering, less-than-hospitable “disease model,” which claims addiction is a chronic illness predetermined by genetics. The “disease-model” is characterized by a loss of control over substances or practices, along with denial of the severity and consequences of using or engaging in them.
“Current research shows that genetics are the most significant factor in addiction,” argues Bruce Sewick, a Chicago area substance abuse clinician who works with the mentally ill. “A person is four times more likely to become dependent on alcohol or drugs when there is a genetic history of the same.”
This may be true, but the pervasive pattern of addictive behavior that finds its way into our economics, our politics, and our interpersonal relationships cannot be just explained away using genetic predeterminism. Consumption without need is the hallmark of addiction, and “consumerism” is defined as “the equating of personal happiness with the purchasing of material possessions and consumption.” The pattern of out-of-control consumption in the United States, which per capita consumes 70 times more than India, with three times the U.S. population, is not qualitatively different from the well-known patterns of behavior of substance abusers. In fact, it looks as if the United States just finished with the worst binge of its life and is now cresting the peak of a wicked crash.
“I think consumerism is probably a bit of an addiction,” offers Richard Eckersley, an Australian public health researcher featured in a 2003 radio documentary, Consumerism, Money, and Happiness:
Addiction is really a hallmark of our era, and I think it reflects that we don’t have culturally promoted kinds of other deeper forms of meaning and purpose in our lives. So we make up for it by consuming more. But the evidence is overwhelming that people who are characterized by materialistic attitudes and values actually experience lower well-being, lower happiness, more depression and anxiety and anger than people who aren’t materialistic.
While we generally accept that anything can be used addictively, we often tend to forget or overlook why it’s being used in the first place. Most professionals will agree that the purpose or function of an addiction is to put a buffer between ourselves and the experience or awareness of our emotions. An addiction serves to numb us so that we are out of touch with what we know and what we feel. Eventually this numb buffer zone becomes a habituated coping mechanism.
“But addiction itself,” explains Tom Goforth, a Christian minister and practicing clinical psychotherapist for more than 40 years, “is not innate to the human species. It’s something we developed to cope with our predicament.”
Over the years Goforth saw most of the addictions he treated develop as the result of some violation of the self, a deep wounding or trauma. This wounding can come from any number of causes: domestic violence and abuse, prejudice and racism, warfare, economic hardship, illness and death, even something as insidiously mundane as rejection, shame, insecurity or feelings of inadequacy.
Primitivist writer-activists like Derrick Jensen and Chellis Glendinning believe that consumer culture drives the “culture of empire,” an inherently abusive system built on resource exploitation and the subjugation of peoples. Because of this, those living in it have undergone a collective wounding or trauma that has left society suffering from a mass form of PTSD.
Glendinning is the author of My Name Is Chellis and I’m in Recovery from Western Civilization, a book that examines the relationship between addiction and the ecological crisis. In an essay on what she calls “techno-addiction” Glendinning writes about our “primary” and “secondary” sources of satisfaction. “Primary” needs are those we were born to have satisfied: nourishment, love, meaning, purpose and spirit. When they are not met, we turn to the “secondary” sources, which include “drugs, violence, sex, material possessions and machines.” Eventually we become obsessed with the secondary sources “as if our lives depended on them.”
Designing and marketing secondary sources of satisfaction falls to the complimenting social, political and economic systems that reinforce addictive behavior in order to drive the consumer machine. Consumption becomes “naturalized” through corporate advertising and marketing, government tax breaks, and officially sanctioned religio-consumer holidays like Christmas, Hanukah and Valentine’s Day. Let us never forget that after 9/11 George Bush told Americans it was their patriotic duty to “spend.”
“Everything appalling has to be naturalized in order to be justified,” says Derrick Jensen, author of the Endgame series and The Culture of Make Believe. “This is because an abusive system is designed to protect the abuser. The whole idea of naturalizing addictions is about maintaining the dependency and victimhood of the addict, the abused.”
In a system based on consumption, the best patient a doctor, therapist or pharmacist can ask for is one who never gets better. Is it any coincidence then that in the dominant model an addict always remains an addict? Under this rubric, the addict is always “recovering” and never “recovered.” Imagine the psychological impact of imposing a perpetual sense of powerlessness on someone. It must be profound. But it suddenly makes a whole lot more sense when you look at the few socially acceptable surrogates like AA, Prozac, work or Jesus. Aren’t these, in a sense, meant to be chronic as well? This approach simply transfers the dependency while preserving the overall system of consumptive behavior.
By the same token, what better consumer can a corporation ask for than one who is never satisfied with what they buy, who always has to have the next, the biggest, the newest in order to feel like they are somebody. If real needs were being met, it’s a good possibility that certain markets would contract or collapse. Knowing this, our identities have in a sense been re-engineered to accommodate forced obsolescence, so that every few years we’re told we need an upgrade. Tellingly, we call it our “new look” or the “new you.” Whole industries are based in this.
Naturalizing addictions through consumerism has its beginnings in early 20th century notions of psychology and social control. The story of how consumerism, and more importantly, the consumer self, came into being is the subject of Adam Curtis’ BBC documentary The Century of the Self. It is, at its core, the story of Sigmund Freud.
In response to the barbarism of Nazi Germany during the Second World War, which Freud believed was unleashed by the dangerous and irrational fears and desires that lay deep within the unconscious, Western politicians and planners set about finding ways to control this “hidden enemy within the human mind.”
One of the theories that emerged was the brainchild of Freud’s nephew, Edward Bernays, the sloganeering progenitor of public relations who helped Woodrow Wilson sell the First World War to the American public by inventing the tag line, “Making the World Safe for Democracy.” “[PR] is really just propaganda,” Bernays says in the film, “but we couldn’t use the word because the Germans had.”
Bernays showed American corporations how to make people buy material goods they didn’t need by connecting those products to their unconscious desires and unmet needs. This made him incredibly powerful and in demand. He used this influence to propose that the same principles be used politically to control the masses.
This social-control-through-indulgence model was later excoriated in Aldous Huxley’s Brave New World, a critique of consumerism and the vapidity of a culture based in pleasure seeking. In Huxley’s futuristic dystopia, freethinking and human attachment have either been outlawed or genetically modified out of most of humanity. In its place is a dumbed-down hierarchical society overrun by high-tech entertainment, sexual promiscuity and a powerful, all-purpose intoxicant/narcotic/dissociative drug called Soma, which is used to quell any unpleasant feelings. Perhaps this sounds familiar?
“We can see where consumer psychology has led us,” Tom Goforth sighs heavily. “It’s a disaster. It’s the kind of thing that has caused the human organism and psyche to go so far out of balance. Marketing to our unconscious leads us down a dangerous path that promises satisfaction and wholeness and a sense of importance and worth without us having to do anything but spend. But none of these things come in any real sense unless we work hard at them.”
The ego, Freud discovered, is the part of us that invests in the values of society that hold out fulfillment for us. We as individual human beings may be looking for fulfillment through our contribution to society and our own sense of meaning, integrity, love and connection. “But instead,” Goforth says, “consumerism teaches the ego to let go of integrity and inflate itself with an aesthetic, material process that confuses, or associates, self-worth with net worth.”
This is the gospel preached by activist-performance-artist Reverend Billy of the Church of Stop Shopping, star of the upcoming What Would Jesus Buy?, an anti-consumer road film produced by Super Size Me’s Morgan Spurlock. Rev. Billy preaches that consumerism has become our great national addiction.
“If we’re ever going to move away from being consumers and back to being citizens, society will need to go into recovery,” says the good reverend. “I recommend at least 60 to 90 days away from the shopping just to detox. If we don’t repent,” he warns, “then the Shopocalypse is coming!”
Asking society to go into a global recovery program is not nearly as Dr. Phil-crazy as it sounds. It’s become the new mantra of the green movement, who are now calling for a spiritual solution to the planetary crisis. It was Freud’s student and eventual rival Carl Jung who first dissented against Freud’s “irrational desires” theory and put forth the idea that addictions address a spiritual loss or deficiency. Because the addictive experience is mimetic of the spiritual experience, you can have an imitation of bliss or oneness, but it doesn’t last. Jung believed only a true spiritual awakening will end an addiction. Likewise, the eco-ilk believe only a global spiritual awakening will end the consumer addiction that is ravaging the planet.
In Steps to an Ecology of Mind, Gregory Bateson, the evolutionary philosopher husband of anthropologist Margaret Mead, observed that addictive behavior is consistent with the Western approach to life that pits mind against body. Because of this schism, Bateson gave our species a low probability of continued survival.
“In order to avoid this literal death,” Derrick Jensen adds soberly, “society will have to go through a cultural death and spiritual rebirth.”
Heady words for sure, but it may be our only way out of this mess. For this process to begin, consumer society must first “hit bottom.” Let us hope this happens soon. As Sally Erickson reminds us, the patterns of behavior endemic to consumer society are so much more dangerous than substance abuse, because they are perpetuating a culture that is literally eating itself out of house and home. If addicts define insanity as doing the same thing over and over again, and expecting different results, this may be the clearest sign yet that consumerism is driving us all crazy.
But there is hope to leave you with. In his 40 years treating addicts, Tom Goforth will honestly tell you that, by and large, those who did truly conquer their addictions became less materialistic and more aligned with a sense of who they really were and what they felt their life purpose was.
Maybe it’s time for that intervention.
@Depression alert!,….or simply,..know thyself !
To many words can lead to confusion….
@ Depression Alert
Nice read D
@Dedo:
So, why the survey about rich/poor countries? Aren’t you going to tie it all up for us?
I think it’s interesting seeing all the different perspectives, but you didn’t give yours.
@ Depression Alert
Hmm err u havent been to a third world country Depression Alert ROFL PMSL the day u go to a 3rd world country all that nonsense will change
*3rd world country all that nonsense you just CUT COPIED and PASTED will change in your mind
@Frances,..I like all of them!
And knowing perspective is always in accord with knowledge base,…I’d just say,..I would use which ever suited purpose and context.
BTW,..It wasn’t a quiz, I’m just an inquisitive guy.
@Dedo;
So, you are a word pimp? What if my words don’t want to leap from context and wear the short skirt?
interesting
Kucinich: Why I Voted NO
http://www.tikkun.org/article.php/20091108074149870
@Frances,…Did I say you, or anyone had to conform?
Dress in whatever skirt takes your fancy,..I’m sure your bum won’t look big in it! : )
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