[OTE28] On the Edge with Max Keiser . . . and Mish Shedlock

Stacy Summary: On the Edge with guest Mish Shedlock.

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  1. @SH – “Youtube is acting very, very strange”

    There’s probably a log jam on the Internets.

  2. New EuroPresident is anti-Muslim.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/nov/20/eu-president-turkey-reaction

    Van Rompuy had also said: “An expansion of the EU to include Turkey cannot be considered as just another expansion as in the past. The universal values which are in force in Europe, and which are also fundamental values of Christianity, will lose vigour with the entry of a large Islamic country such as Turkey.”

  3. @Stacy – How about having a live show on a site like this.

    http://www.blogtv.com/

    They also have live chat while the show is happening which could be fun.

  4. Nobody here but us chickens!

  5. Hi frank
    sometimes everyone just disappears

    It’s hard to believe that Mish could be more excitable than Max!

  6. The first segment is up and working on YouTube now at

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFSzIlJjSHc

  7. Thanks for all your trouble doing this stuff, Stacy :) You’re a beautiful lady.

    Have a great weekend!

  8. Hi marietta. Hi Majestic.

    Yea Mish is making Max sound like the cool one.

  9. Hey Max, Halloween was last month :)

  10. Nice, ahum..

    Things likely to blow:

    - The Yen (Mish)
    - The Pound (Others)
    - The Dollar?
    - Sarah Palins new book “My Spelling Bee Years”

  11. HEY HEY! HO HO! Geithner’s got to go!

    Time’s up for Tim Geithner

    Geithner had to give 100% to everybody so it wouldn’t look like he was playing favorites with Goldman Sachs.

    BTW, I’m going to go see New Moon tonight.

  12. @Mongo .. Silver 20$ ?

    Thx … 30$ would be better .. short term of course !
    ;-)

  13. THE DORK OF CORK

    @max
    One thing I,can’t figure max -
    If US cusumer debt had been written off during this financial crisis would we not be facing much larger inflation in oil and other consumables
    Maybe we are living in a new world of zero-sum games.
    Although I do agree that GS bonus would be better spent in the reconfigering the US economy towards a different energy infrastruture that is less oil based.
    But alas this does not appear to be happening.

  14. @Frank Hope, The new EU president is also a “Bilderberger”. This is soooo predictable.. actually went through the list of “bilderbergers” but couldn’t decide who they’d pick. Tony Blair was out of the picture since before or earlier I should say.

  15. @ Max – A rule of thumb I read about a while back: to best guesstimate the U6 measure, take the government-supplied U3 and double it.

  16. @Phil, not so fast.. I haven’t accumulated the amount I want yet :P .. need some more.

    Still hop for that dip down to $14.. IF and WHEN it happens, it WILL be the last time for a long long time!.. personally I am beginning to give up though.

  17. It looks like the Ukraine is on the edge. The mere sight of Yulia Tymoshenko in a medical mask should send a shiver down the spine of anyone holding their paper

    The Yen should burst by Fall 2010 because Japan’s exports have already fallen 37%, and how many people in the US will be able to buy a Toyota next year.

    Think about the implications of the BLS line U6 going above 23% by June.

  18. @Mongo

    Gold and Silver are both moving UP towards the close.
    Surprising as it’s Friday night and the options today point to a much lower close .

    Maybe it’s “Banking Friday” again ..with some bigger BKs this evening ?

  19. RE: “acting very very strange” — There’s a new level of surveillance – 000 000 0000 numbers calling (again), new/increased surveillance online on our accounts and computers — anyone else noticing it?

    Can’t have too much truth getting out there.

    @stacy — try resubmitting, from a dummy account.

  20. @Mongo – Alex Jones is claiming the connection to Bilderberg. I saw an article from Times Online that has some information about this but the link doesn’t work. Hmmm.

  21. Peak Gold ?

    … Failing the appearance, within a very few years, of a second heroic transition of the 1952–1965 kind—and there are no convincing signs of any such development—it must be accepted that the Witwatersrand goldfields are now ~95% exhausted and production rate will fall permanently below 100 t yr–1 within the coming decade (Fig. 1). Given the energy and environmental problems associated with ongoing groundwater control, water-resource contamination by acid mine drainage9 and the possibility of widespread mercury and other factors of pollution caused by illicit underground ore-processing by the zama-zamas, the glory days of South African gold mining appear to have arrived finally at an ignominious end.

    http://www.scielo.org.za/scielo.php?script=sci_arttext&pid=S0038-23532009000500004&lng=en&nrm=iso

  22. Rumors of Ukraine defaulting on its debt rock European markets.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/companyNews/idUSLK25069920091120

  23. Can't Remember My Name

    Isn’t it possible to have Stacy appear live on the show instead of phoning in from the next room?

  24. @Can’tRememberMyName – Stacy in the next room…

    If Stacy’s talking on the phone in the room next to you is too loud, just pound on the wall. Plane tickets are getting very expensive!

  25. @Macy

    Any comment about the tungsten/gold /Hong Kong situation? maybe in tomorrows TAM?

  26. Is $6,300 Fair Value for Gold?


    Here’s some more from the Telegraph article:

    Almost all western governments are insolvent. The total net liabilities of the US and France are both over 500% of GDP. The UK and Germany are over 400%.

    We are bust. To make matters worse – says Mr. Grice – central bank credibility has been “permanently ruptured” by their collective failure to see the 2008 crash coming. (He is too polite: they caused the crisis by holding real rates too low for a decade, creating a debt bubble).

    Given that central bankers have been exposed as mortals/charlatans (ie pretending to command an exact science, when economics is merely a descriptive branch of anthropology), who can have much faith that they will manage the exit from emergency stimulus with skill?

    http://www.thedailybell.com/601/Is-6300-Fair-Value-for-Gold.html

  27. PMF: Baltumore Jihadis, 110% funded. (???????????)

  28. @ stacyherbert,

    Youtube playlists, honestly!

    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=011A76A2C173A1BC

    Just paste in the embed code.

    The first part is working now…I’ll have to watch the show .. :D

  29. looks like tiny tim and leisure suit larry will be spending more time with the family. poor family. new crooks please

  30. Just caught a clip of Mother’Earth and a climate babe selling their wares ! : )
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9dsEcHAoyb4&feature=player_embedded#

  31. Home mortgage defaults caused the ultimate default of the guarantees backing the CMO’s. When Congress provided the bailout money, why didn’t they forgive the debts of the homeowners whose defaults caused the collapse? Instead, they said, “here’s the money you lost”, but the banks now own the defaulted properties as well. I think in insurance parlance, this is called double indemnity.

  32. bammbamm. you hit the nail on the head. thanks for a new twist

  33. do you think the chinese that move into our houses will let us live in the garage.

  34. @bammbamm .. yes , that’s been discussed a few times , and not only here !

    Basically, giving the money to the house owners would in effect prove how fraudulent the money is in the first place , i.e. it’s only a game .. of usury !

  35. phil bammbamm said double usary. therefore new twist.

  36. @harry_w – I second that wish for a YouTube playlist. Are you listening Stacy?

  37. Gold and Silver closing on highs …

    Makes me really wonder what this “Banking Friday” will bring !

  38. i think bammbamm was the first person i’ve heard mention double indemnidy. how do you spell emdemity.

  39. hey bammbamm. in the next bailout the banks will get way better free real estate. the semi rich are next.

  40. The “Man-Made Global Warming” Skeptics Handbook II: Global Bullies Want Your Money

    “Thousands of scientists have been funded to find a connection between human carbon dioxide emissions and the climate. Hardly any have been funded to find the opposite. Throw billions of dollars at one question and how could bright, dedicated people not find 800 pages worth of connections, links, predictions, projections and scenarios? What’s amazing is what they haven’t found: empirical evidence.”

    http://joannenova.com.au/2009/11/skeptics-handbook-ii-global-bullies-want-your-money/

    Karl Denniger on those leaked CRU emails/files:

    The Market Ticker — “Global Warming” SCAM – Hack/Leak FLASH

    “There’s enough evidence in there, in my opinion, of outrageously fraudulent conduct to make this the scandal of the 20th and 21st century. Sorry folks, there’s no science here – this is, from what I see, a massive and outrageous fraud, and now that the documents have been confirmed as authentic it is time to pull the curtain down on this crap and start locking up all of the proponents – starting with AL GORE.”

    http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1648-Global-Warming-SCAM-HackLeak-FLASH.html

  41. “When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir?”
    http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/John_Maynard_Keynes

    Dear AGWers,

    It’s time.

  42. Wow.
    Hadley CRU (Climate Research — UK Met Office) has been hacked. 62 meg zip file doing the rounds. Links here:

    http://catastrophist.wordpress.com/2009/11/21/hadley-cru-climate-research-unit-leaked-data-foi2009-zip-62-megs/

  43. THE DORK OF CORK

    @Adam C
    I taught that bum Keynes was throughly discredited after this crisis but I guess the world will always have its “Belivers”

  44. Max slowly is turning into his On the Edge Logo. Max is sucked into the Matrix LOL Was there a yellow pill also, can’t remember?

  45. @Adam C,..I love your posts, you seem to be able to navigate the big picture, unlike most folk, whose minds are compartmentalized, hence the continual conflict of interests.
    The devil is in the details, but it’s advantageous to know why! : )

  46. yuiri, max doesn’t do pharm drugs.

  47. max is the anti bankorrorrist.

  48. @ stacyherbert,
    PressTV have locked you in the closet again!?! Are they scared of your obvious on screen chemistry with Max? :D

    @ Frank Hope,
    Thank you for the support. I think playlists would be ideal for this site: to playback tv show parts in order; and a video log of other recent media appearances (the last video added becomes the first in the ‘log’).

    It’s partly because each embedded objects take up memory space and processing power, which aren’t available to all users. And it tidies up the page.

    All 3 parts of On The Edge:
    http://www.youtube.com/view_play_list?p=011A76A2C173A1BC&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL

    Now with a special bonus track for the bong-smokers. ;o)

  49. Funny those climate change quotes. Today a Shell spokesperson stated that they understand the temp will increase due to CO2, and that the measures that are being taking (biofuel crops, sequestration, etc.) will not be enough. Now why would the company that used to supress solar power sudenly come out with statements that go beyond a call for solar?

    Back of the bus!!

  50. @THE DORK OF CORK

    I’m loathe to quote Keynes, but I couldn’t think of a more subtle quotation to nudge ‘some’ people into reconsidering their entrenched views.

    It’s really hard to blame people when they’ve been subjected to such a massive and persistent fraud. I just wish people would do the responsible thing and focus on the evidence or lack thereof.

    For such a big issue, is that too much to ask??

  51. CO2 increases due to global warming,.but it’s a good way to create two opposing camps,..instead of looking at the real problem,…eg, the folk who create the conflicts.
    Nothing changes,.same old same old same new. : /

  52. Nothing changes,.same old same old same new. : /

    Everything changes, Dedo, the same new just act a lot like the same old!

  53. @Mother Earth

    He said/she said isn’t evidence, isn’t science, isn’t anything other than divisive tittle-tattle.

    Weren’t you going to point me to some real CO2 data?

  54. @Dedo

    Thanks. I’m still learning.

  55. @Dedo @frances snoot

    “Same piss, new bottle.” As my old boss once said.

  56. @Adam c

    Your demand for proof demonstrates that you rely on others to define your reality. That may be why your sense of it is so weak.

  57. warburg sidney

    How to understand this:
    Scientists at the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have successfully reconstructed the influenza virus strain responsible for the 1918 pandemic, a project that greatly advances preparedness efforts for the next pandemic.
    http://www.cdc.gov/media/pressrel/r051005.htm

  58. @Frances,…same old, same old, same new,..translated,
    thesis, antithesis,..synthesis,…c’mon, keep up! : 0

  59. @AdamC:
    He said/she said is called antecdotal evidence.

    Most evidence we pick up is antecdotal, unless it’s like the rake handle hits us between the eyes when we step on the head, and that’s called epiphany.

    Maybe Mother Earth had a “Damascus Road” experience?

  60. Now we can’t even eat popcorn,Dedo, while we watch the fight between AdamC and MotherEarth!!!

    http://consumerist.com/5408877/movie-popcorn-is-really-really-bad-for-you

  61. @Frances,……yeah, but what I’d like to know, is how come you guys (yanks) like it with “salt”!,…..euch
    (I’ve always said, no taste,..noooo tasteoh)

  62. In my country,. we cover it in candy! : )

  63. Mishkin’s (Federal reserve) FT article was mentioned in MK & SH ‘s latest podcast. Here’s what he is reported to have predicted shortly prior to the Lehman’s collapse :

    “[T]he simulations were not presented as assurance that no crisis would occur, but as a forecast of what could be expected conditional on a crisis not occurring. Until the Lehman failure the recession was pretty typical of the modest downturns of the post-war period… Mr Mishkin’s forecast was a reasonable estimate of what would have followed if the housing decline had continued to be the only or the main factor involved in the economic downturn.”

    Which begs the obvious question : Why didn’t they deliver forecasts conditional on a crisis occurring?

    http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/lucas_roundtable/

  64. WoW that is Hot! Immediately snaked the shit.

    Climate Center Hacked – Thousend of Files leaked on Internet http://tinyurl.com/yexsnzo

    “Global Warming” SCAM – Hack/Leak FLASH http://tinyurl.com/ydow9wt

    Hot Quote Phil Jones: “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd [sic] from1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.”

    Here you got the scam in your bloody eyes – In plain sight – No denying the CO2 Hoax anymore I am afraid! aaaaahhhhhhh!!!!!!

  65. @mother

    so you believe corporate statements only when it suits you

    Better find a new religion

  66. @Youri,……I wouldn’t try and reform religious fanatics,…they seem to be blinded by faith! : )
    (it’s good fun though,.huh? )

  67. Hockey stick fraud

    So,

    What we have here is evidence that the team has engaged in:

    1. Conspiracy
    2. Government Fraud
    3. Computer Fraud
    4. Obstruction of Justice
    5. Environmental Law Violations (Falsifying lab data pertaining to environmental regulations) (snicker)
    6. Suppression of evidence
    7. Tampering with evidence
    8. Public Corruption
    9. Bribery

    Does that cover it?

    http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/20/mikes-nature-trick/

  68. warburg sidney

    mutation cause of the “Ukraine outbreak”?
    http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11200905/D225G_Norway_Ukraine.html

  69. Mike/Liverpool

    Misc is WRONG!!!!
    Eric Jansen has explained it to him GOD knows how many times. Inflation is now starting, we going to facr MEGA STAG FLATION.

    Mike

  70. Has one Grown, when one is Wrong ?

  71. “Has one Grown, when one is Wrong ?”

    Good God! That makes me ANCIENT!

  72. Popcorn with sugar all over it is yucky.

  73. @Mother Earth

    All I’ve ever done is politely ask you for evidence since you seem so certain and I wanted to better understand the basis of your perspective. It’s okay for you to say that you don’t have any evidence to hand or that you don’t have time to find it online and point me to it.

    I’ll ignore the attempted insult about my grasp of reality because I’m quite sure that you also rely on others to explain the full complexities of climate science to you as well as rely on them to present data from the latest research.

    Or have I got this all wrong? Do you submit research to journals yourself? If so, would it really be so much trouble to post a link to it? I’m a willing skeptic so my view could be changed if provided with compelling evidence.

    I probably shouldn’t have prodded you again for evidence. It must seem like I’ve singled you out. But your pointing at gossip frustrates me when you could just so easily point to a resource that articulates your case.

    I’d really rather give you the benefit of the doubt.

  74. @Adam c,….as always,..perfect! : )

  75. @bamm bamm

    Double Indemnity (2009)

    &
    Double Indemnity (1944)
    This seminal tale, told in the past tense (in voice-over), involves two major characters with “an unholy love and an almost perfect crime.” (The names of the main characters in the original novel were Walter Huff and Phyllis Nordlinger.) Both are duplicitous and callous lovers – a beautiful, shrewd, predatory and dissatisfied femme fatale housewife (with blonde bangs and an enticing gold anklet) and a likeable insurance salesman. Their calculated, cold-blooded scheme to brutally murder her husband for purposes of lustful desire and financial gain, because of a double indemnity clause in his accident policy, ultimately fails. Their fraudulent, almost perfect crime leads to guilt, suspicion, betrayal, duplicity, and thrilling intrigue in a film with numerous swatches of sharp and nasty dialogue.

    It was billed as “Paramount’s SHOCKING, SUSPENSE-FILLED MASTERPIECE OF LOVE…AND MURDER.” From its opening sequence, the film identifies with the self-destructive murderer and his murder plot, using the metaphor of a train ride with the evil heroine that goes “all the way…to the end of the line.” Its tagline from a poster declared: “You can’t kiss away a Murder!”

    its storyline of a deliberate and brutal crime inspired by adultery and the promise of insurance money was considered innately amoral, objectionable, and distasteful by the censorious Hays Office (a “blueprint for the perfect murder”). Originally, a gruesome execution scene at the end of the film, in which the claims manager watched as the convicted protagonist was led to the death chamber at San Quentin, was cut, discarded, and replaced with its present ending – one in which the murderer was also justly punished for his crime.

    http://www.filmsite.org/doub.html

  76. @Frances,……Nope,..the sugar you lick off,.and the poopcorn you spit oot,…: )
    (I’m kiddin’ BTW)

  77. @Adam c,….as always,..perfect! : )

    Agreed! Very eloquent and right!

  78. Right is just a perspective,..I love Adams angle,.he never holds dear to his beliefs, it seems,…always learning anew!

  79. @AdamC:
    My guess is that MotherEarth realizes that the agenda now is political not scientific. The politicos are following a climate agenda based on the philosophy of Pascal’s Wager. Here is the Oxford Journal:
    http://www.oxfordjournals.org/news/research/2009/01/06/climate_change.html

    If we don’t trust the politicos/talking heads at this point, we are “resisting the future”. Sounds a might tad totalitarian to me.

  80. @Dedo:
    “Right” up your arse, okay?
    :)

  81. @France,…..well,..I wouldn’t personally go that far,…but I think I get your gist!! ; )

  82. “As anticipated by LEAP/E2020 last February, in the absence of major reappraisal of the international monetary order, the world is now entering the phase of geopolitical dislocation of the global systemic crisis. In 2010, as protectionism and the economic and social depression will gain momentum, a large number of States will be compelled to choose between three brutal options: inflation, high taxation or defaulting on their debt.”

    http://www.leap2020.eu/GEAB-N-39-is-available!-Global-systemic-crisis-States-faced-with-three-brutal-options-in-2010-inflation,-high-taxation_a3995.html

  83. Look. I realize I have been a snoot and a hoot and a boot. So I’m behind the curve! At least I didn’t take the curve and hide it somewhere so that other people would not profit at my expense.

  84. @Frances,….You’re the devil in the detail,…and hey,..I wouldn’t have been able to draw out, what you have!
    Butt, I’m a lazy fk at times,….ask Super!
    You’ve a wise head on your shoulders,..don’t let others tell you so “though”,.you might take it the “wrong” way,..

  85. @warburg sidney

    TnX for the link planned to come back on that site.

  86. @ y’all – For talking about corporations–specifically Wal-Mart–and the ways in which they exploit people in order to position themselves as the best place to buy cheap stuff, I was physically assaulted tonight. Never been hit in my life. My younger sister hauled off and started beating me–in front of her two young kids. I didn’t hit her back, though I strongly considered pressing charges against her to teach her a lesson about using violence. At the root of her anger is that I’m not among the poor making $1/hr. to make Wal-Mart shit, and I’m not poor enough to have to shop there, so I should just shut up seeing as how my “privilege” means that I’m not affected by either of those. (She thinks that people are “happy” making that $1/hr. or $1/day, and feels like she has to shop there.) I just cannot believe that I lost a sister over fucking Wal-Mart. Happy holidays!

  87. @Dedo:
    I’m sure that the only thing I care about is a good story. Well written, tight, fluid: a real knocker. That’s all that history is, and bad history is only a case of bad literature.

    You should read Faulkner.

  88. I mean. Bill Gross is in bed with the devil for most of the day, but when he picks up his pen he writes good essays. Gotta give the man respect for that!

  89. Sorry, Mep.

    sisters are often psycho

  90. @Dedo:
    I think I put Super in a jinx state or something on another thread. All he posted was my name, in variations, and with a big blankness following.

    The power of the imagination!

  91. @Frances,…..I’m afraid I’m a big picture sort of guy,.so sound bites seem to strike me as funny,..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0lxbzgwW7I

  92. WHAT!!! NO PLUTO???

    I’m starting a “reenact the myth of Pluto” society.

    HOW VERY WRONG TO LOSE PLUTO!

  93. @mep,…..you’ve a double major in the study of “mind”,..explain in detail,..your findings : )

  94. Frank.
    I love your picture.
    It reminds me of Will Ferrell :)

  95. Oh ,..how very MIKE KING ,..to use CAPS,..lol

  96. @Dedo:
    Maybe I’M MIKE KING?

  97. NO,….I’m My King,…..!! ME Me meeeeeeee

  98. It’s all a matter of perspective, monkey snoot,..
    shake the spear all you like,…you still have to pay the “Bill”

  99. Don’t care what you think of Peter Schiff :)

    He is correct IMHO

    http://www.youtube.com/user/SchiffReport

  100. @Dedo:
    No shit Sherlock.

  101. I’m off to bed,…here’s something to ponder,..

    Yes I know
    My love, that you and I
    Are together briefly
    For just a few moments
    In silence
    As we look out of our windows
    And listen
    To the sky
    And to a world
    That’s awakening
    And the night is already far away
    Already, far away

    Look at this world
    Spinning with us
    Even in the dark
    Look at this world
    Spinning for us
    Giving us hope and some
    Sun, sun sun

    My love, you are you my love
    I hear your voice,
    And I listen to the sea.
    It sounds just like your breathing
    And all the love you want to give me
    This love
    That is there, hidden
    Hidden among the waves
    All the waves in the world
    Just like a boat that….

    Look at this world
    Spinning with us
    Even in the dark
    Look at this world
    Spinning for us
    Giving us hope,
    And some sun, sun, sun,
    Some sun, sun, sun.

    Look at this world
    Spinning with us
    Giving us some sun,
    Mighty sun
    Mighty sun
    Mighty sun
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Nkrc1lBA9E

  102. Hi, Mini US. Good: why care what we think!

  103. Asian Countries Move Towards Capital Inflow Controls To Stem Dollar Carry Trade

    …Nov. 20 (Bloomberg) — Asian policy makers are studying capital controls to limit “hot money” inflows that may stoke asset bubbles and force their currencies to appreciate.

    Officials from India, South Korea and Indonesia are among those expressing concern over overseas capital stoking stock and real estate prices. Indonesia’s central bank is “seriously” studying a limit on inflows to short-term bills, Senior Deputy Governor Darmin Nasution said yesterday. Taiwan last week banned international investors from placing funds in time deposits….

    http://tinyurl.com/yd55rwp

    GERMANY WARNS ON THE DOLLAR CARRY TRADE..

    Germany warns US on market bubbles

    By Ralph Atkins in Frankfurt
    Published: November 20 2009 19:48 | Last updated: November 20 2009 19:48

    Germany’s new finance minister has echoed Chinese warnings about the growing threat of fresh global asset price bubbles, fuelled by low US interest rates and a weak dollar.
    Wolfgang Schäuble’s comments highlight official concern in Europe that the risk of further financial market turbulence has been exacerbated by the exceptional steps taken by central banks and governments to combat the crisis.

    http://www.ft.com/cms/s/4ec41a1a-d616-11de-b80f-00144feabdc0,Authorised=false.html?_i_location=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ft.com%2Fcms%2Fs%2F0%2F4ec41a1a-d616-11de-b80f-00144feabdc0.html&_i_referer=

    Anleger stürzen sich auf Silber
    ( Investors pile into Silver )

    Der Dollar-Verfall treibt Investoren in Edelmetalle. Neben Gold ist auch Silber gefragt. Die Zuflüsse in den größten Silberfonds sind enorm. Der Preis könnte bis Jahresende auf 20 $ steigen. Dann aber droht der Einbruch

    http://www.ftd.de/

  104. Thanksgiving week to test gold’s mettle

    Gold bulls have had complete control for the last three weeks with the price rising over $120. Long term gold bears were expecting a quick retreat under $1000 once it was exceeded in September. However, the physical market buyers particularly those out in Asia, a falling US dollar and seasonally favorable influences have propelled the metal to a series of new all-time dollar highs. Gold is likely going to have its toughest challenge of autumn 2009 during the week of the US Thanksgiving holiday. We will likely be able to gain perspective of how resolute gold bulls are in the face of adversity and how eager physical buyers are at stepping up to the plate to support the price.
    First, let’s look at the chart for gold. The metal has experienced a huge surge in price. Several technical indicators such as MACD and ROC have essentially confirmed the strength of the move for the last several months. However, in the intermediate term, gold has formed a steep bearish Rising Wedge. Technicians are eagerly watching for a breach of the support (blue) line and may be positioning themselves short in anticipation of a corrective move.


    http://www.kereport.com/articles/nov2009thanksgiving.pdf

  105. @Youri

    Thanx for the links…
    I now have the HACKs d/l’ed (61.9MB Zipfile)
    I look forward to reading them and passing them on to my Canuck MP (newly elected, no less)
    I’m sure he’ll find them fascinating…(especially considering he is part of the OPPOSITION to the impotent Harpo gov’t)
    And a bit of a tree-hugger (actually, he’s more of a salmon-hugger)
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Meanwhile, I’m surprised that the DXY canceled-trades story has not made it to BNN today… VERY interesting…
    They are usually SOMEWHAT hip to this type of scandal…
    Ehhh… maybe next week, when the Ass-munching Turd-Tokers catch-up?

  106. ‘Nother good edition of OTE max…. What really gets to me is that you’ve mangaged to find a way to have what looks to be a really good time while reporting on the complete and utter looting and destruction of the world as we know it…. which in retrospect is as it should be (as long as you’ve got good food in your stomach and a roof that doesn’t leak over your head why not!) … I on the other hand have been telling myself I must wait for the bankster lynchings to start before I can enjoy this ride into the abyss…………..

  107. Searchable emails and docs from the climate scientist all 60 megs here:

    http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/

    I like this one:

    I think we have to stop considering Climate Research as a legitimate peer-reviewed journal. Perhaps we should encourage our colleagues in the climate research community to no longer submit to, or cite papers in, this journal. We would also need to consider what we tell or request of our more reasonable colleagues who currently sit on the editorial board…What do others think?”

  108. max is the anti antichrist

  109. At Frances,
    of course we care, this blog is a bonding session, your canny writing skills, Phils impeccable research…

    Come on give us a nice big hug, Noice

  110. @OP:
    Look. When did I ask for your compassion?

    Rather spend time with your dog.

  111. Frances, he would nip you for being mean.

    Always look on the bright side of life da dah da dah dee dah dee dah.

  112. Anti Anti Matter more like it.

  113. I can’t win. If I’m snooty then I’m called a choker. If I try to be nice, I’m called a bonder. Better of inconsequential somewhere….

    http://dionsdailydeal.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/librarian1.jpg

  114. @Phil

    Tamiflu-Resistant Swine Flu Virus Found in Hong Kong July 3 (Bloomberg)
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601124&sid=a9GPdD61pf30

    There where two other cases of resistance, one in Denmark 29 June 2009
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/06/29/swine-flu-tamiflu-resista_n_222438.html

    Japan’s first Tamiflu-resistance case reported 3 July 2009
    http://www.earthtimes.org/articles/show/275980,japans-first-tamiflu-resistance-case-reported.html

    Widespread Tamiflu resistance sparks new look at pandemic flu drug stockpile 2 March 2009
    http://www.scientificamerican.com/blog/60-second-science/post.cfm?id=widespread-tamiflu-resistance-spark-2009-03-02

  115. Hmmmmm.
    Jim Rogers was talking up the Yen not so very long ago.
    I wonder if he has liquidated yet? Or if he disagrees with Mish.

    Haven’t seen Jim on the TV shows recently.

  116. @Frances snooty is a term of endearment, to choke is human, bonding ties us up, time for you hill billy rant I think…

  117. oops meant your (bloody apple key board)

  118. “Starve The Beast”

    Fraud dies when Growth Dies.
    Don’t be victimised by the ‘elite’.
    Don’t participate in Thanksgiving, etc.

    http://www.youtube.com/user/wepollock

    Warren with another measured video.
    I like them.

    Kinda what Max says; buy gold, no coke, etc.

  119. Hi Frances Snootles

    I value all the comments on here.
    All very informative I think.

    I zip though the ‘You and Jim’ stuff I must admit.
    Sorry.
    Please invite me to the wedding ;)

  120. This is a fantastic comparison site.
    It updates aften, daily I think.

    http://www.finviz.com/forex.ashx

  121. This is useful too…

    http://www.youtube.com/user/myspacesecrets

    If you can put up with the Aussie accent :)

  122. @frances snoot

    A Tribute to Snoot “Snoot if you Must” http://tinyurl.com/yh24kq6

  123. Hey Max.

    Maybe this will happen at Fox News!!!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dwVO32CD0oM

  124. @ Stacy..Oprah prepares to board escape pod ends show in 2011.

    http://cosmos.bcst.yahoo.com/up/player/popup/?rn=3906861&cl=16752264&ch=4226715&am
    p;src=news

    Or is it that she knows the fallout to come with regards to the current administration and fervent support there of.

    Now piss off Oprah take the money and run!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  125. Just listen to Bob Chapman on the AJS (still on) and he said that they’ve been trying to surpress gold for a week now. That’s why menions of the NWO have been spreading the news that gold would go down.

    The reason for that is that Goldman Sachs has shorted gold for about $5 billion and it’s comming due soon. If they can’t surpress the gold in time the criminals gonna lose $5 billion.

    Try to get more info about the subject.

    November 03, 2009 on Seeking Alpha http://tinyurl.com/yj9qlxx
    In the metals markets Goldman is surprisingly bearish on Gold and Silver. Their 3 month and 12 month price target for gold is $960. Their 3 month target for silver is $15.60 and their 12 month target is $16.

    But I think we must not forget the China Put which will trigger if gold goes down. If Goldman Sachs indeed hold these short positions they are toast.

  126. @dan valley

    Some interesting dates from a satanistic NWO perspective in 2011 are:

    6.6.11
    6.9.11
    9.6.11
    9.9.11
    11.11.11

    Wich one will Oprah (place of dust ) pick?

  127. @Mongo

    Ted Butler on Silver.

    Shorts still exist, mostly JPMorgan.
    There is metal coming into Comex and ME, to cover some short positions.

    Will there be a pullback for more buying?
    Ask JP Morgan, I can’t help you there mate.

    http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast_Gold+/Entries/2009/11/20_Ted_Butler_on_the_Metals_Market_files/Metals%20Wrap%20Ted%20Butler%2011%3A20%3A2009.mp3

    Related…
    Gary Gensler of the CFTC (ex GS)

    http://www.heatingoil.com/blog/commodities-and-derivatives-regulation-explained-what-it-means-for-heating-oil-users1119/

  128. @@dan valley

    Wauw it’s the perfect number she said so she’s an occultist?

  129. @ Mongo

    Just opinion from someone who has no clue about any of this stuff.

    I still believe that ‘they’ will smash the markets.
    USD will rise and that’s when gold and especially silver will get hit.
    Banks doing what they do best.

    Doubt it will last long as many people, banks included will then buy long metals or the real thing and catch it on the upside.
    Also, as Youri says the ‘China Put’ comes into play.

    Keep what you have and wait if you don’t want to be greedy.
    Or buy more if you want to ;)

  130. New EU president confirms New World Order desire (19Nov09) http://tinyurl.com/yzeb88g

  131. Thanks Youri.

    One of ‘The Brussels Beurocrats’ – Ew! Creepy

    Notice the comments below the video.
    Nobody happy about it.

    Who voted Yes to the Lisbon treaty again?

  132. Say No to Herman van Rumpoy

    He must be the minister for silly names.

  133. If you’re not a fan of Silver or Gold….
    Try Zinc.

    http://mineweb.co.za/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/page36?oid=93366&sn=Detail

  134. Sorry, just noticed all the posts. Being a hog.
    Day off don’t you know, Sorry.

    For all the climate sceptics, tomorrow I am working in 40c degree heat, and its only November. Summer hasn’t even started yet.

    Sleep tight.

  135. @ youri…I dont know about the occult stuff but people do things out of self preservation and I cant see any other reason why she would give up on her power position

  136. One more :)

    Jim Rickards on Squark – Cool guy.

    http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1336090735&play=1

  137. Mish is great. I got the deflation thing after you interviewed him. Hugh Hendry was/is also a deflationist but I had still not got it. The inflationist Faber (who can be both, he’s Yoda), Schiff, and Jim Rodgers are all so fun to watch…Hendry is a great entertainer too. Mish seems like the nicest guy in the bunch and he makes money. Thanks Max and Stacy for entertaing and enlightening me. I
    Max it appeared that Mishs comments that Japan is more screwed up than the U S threw you a little…Don’t be hating…

  138. @Mother earth, I bet you just love this site:

    http://www.friendsofscience.org/index.php?id=196

    (someone has upset my doggy)

  139. Obama Allies Want New Tax To Pay For Cost Of Protecting Afghan Opium Fields, Bribing Taliban http://tinyurl.com/yh3y9xd

  140. A yuan-sided argument: Why China resists foreign demands to revalue its currency http://tinyurl.com/yl5dseq

  141. Banks In “Utter Chaos” Dealing WIth Off-Balance Sheet Assets http://tinyurl.com/yazvhwv

  142. “More and more analysts are sold on the idea that US oil demand peaked in 2007,” Antoine Halff and Veronique Lashinski, energy analysts at Newedge brokerage, wrote in a report early this year. “The market meltdown is likely to entrench current demand losses not only in the US itself but in the world at large,” they added.

    Not everyone agrees. The IEA believes Asia is stepping in as the engine of growth and will need fossil fuels in order to expand.

    Oil companies are anticipating breakthroughs in drilling technology

    Oil: Crisis averted? http://tinyurl.com/yzobsn3

  143. Oil: Crisis averted? (Alternative link) http://tinyurl.com/yz2jn2b

  144. Over the course of the past few weeks, I have investigated the increased role of momentum-based and high-frequency-trading quant funds. Though hard to “quantify,” I believe that the disproportionate role of these funds, which use algorithmic formulas in their directional trading strategy, is shockingly influential in the current momentum-based climate and is serving as an “invisible hand.”

    By some estimates, this price-momentum-based quant trading now has doubled in significance since early in the year, to more than two-thirds of the average day’s trading. Trades initiated by these funds are insensitive to an underemployment rate approaching 18%, signs of an unsteady recovery in housing, the prospects for higher marginal tax rates and how we are going to finance our budget deficit, which hurdles ever higher. Really!?!

    Kass: The Quant Bubble http://tinyurl.com/yjlq423

  145. Valero refinery shut-down another sign of woe http://tinyurl.com/yhsfttl

  146. Devon Energy’s U.S. Gulf Asset Sale May Draw China’s Interest http://tinyurl.com/yzyyop6

  147. And here is where I do have a beef with Wall Street: While global competition is increasing our need to invest in new industries and technologies, the strategies of financial institutions is to risk increasing amounts of capital on derivative instruments that have no clear industrial benefit or economic value. This is crowding out our collective ability to take risks on enterprises that could have clear impact on our national competitiveness and standard of living in the future.

    For example, the fact that excessive leverage of financial-industry balance sheets has been allowed to create a scarcity of credit for U.S. industrial enterprises is a real threat to long-term innovation, and one I now wrestle with every day as the companies I invest in — and their customers around the world — struggle to attain adequate working capital. If we want to blame Wall Street for threatening U.S. competitiveness, we should start there.

    Outsourcing: The Culprit Is Capitalism, Not Wall Street http://tinyurl.com/yeddmtg

  148. warburg sidney

    youri look at this a moment????
    http://www.cdc.gov/media/pressrel/r051005.htm

  149. Good links Youri, I’m enjoying the trip

  150. warburg sidney

    youri, an other suvject, what you think of this guy:
    Bill Deagle : Prognosis for Planet Earth
    a genius or nut-case…. confusing world we live in
    http://www.projectcamelot.org/bill_deagle.html

  151. So if we follow the Peak Scenario’s

    - Peak Gold
    - Peak Oil (Although I am not fully convinced yet I suspect faul play)
    - Peak Uranium

    - Enough Coal
    - Enough Sun

  152. @warburg sidney

    He’s a very smart guy no doubt about it. I trust his views on many areas but some things he says, more into the esoteric are difficult to judge on bogus or not? That’s the problem if you get into this area.

    I do believe that there is a lot more between heaven and earth than we can see or now know. So who can tell?

    I think remote viewing is for real, aliens are cause there is overwhelming evidence. Our history is much larger than we’ve been told. There is live in the universe everywhere. There are Ruins, Sphinxes and Pyramids on Mars. There are also buildings on the moon. Antigravity technology is possible cause the aliens use it for quiet some time now, they are far ahead of us cause there solar system(s) are much older.

    Well a lot is possible that’s for sure but to believe it on one mans story remains difficult and than it’s a matter of you believe it or not. Sometimes only your gut feelin can tell.

    Deagle is a good guy and I apreciate him for the good work. The esoteric stuff is anybodies guess.

  153. @warburg sidney

    Go into the flu stuff later I have a info overflow at the moment…can’t think straight. come back on your article tomorrow. This is an important link to follow for the moment:

    D225G in Fatal H1N1 Lung Cases in Norway and Ukraine http://www.recombinomics.com/News/11200905/D225G_Norway_Ukraine.html

    Also contains Audio to listen…….later aligator

  154. warburg sidney

    Youri like I said before I hung out some time at projectcamelot.org and have mixed feelings about it like you said. But I also found things over there like paul Laviolette, a humble interesting scientist who talks about super waves, Sure super waves go beyond my knowledge…. but listing to him I learned about the so called black projects (advanced secret science projects of what, many times, the president and congress does not know of). Together with the Griffin/Norman Dodd interview
    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7373201783240489827#
    I learned that eduction is about two things:
    -Install a grid that take care of the content (little advanced and in cases not scientific correct);
    -Install a filter that filters out gifted people in important subjects like physics etc to, at first give the scholar ships, and some later enrole them gradualy into this black project…
    Conclusion: the actual state of science is much more advanced than we know about!

  155. The assets people would invest in to get out of failing fiat currencies, are over-valued due to leveraging, with the only reasonably accessible exception being gold. So why wouldn’t gold be seized?

    If a global digital currency were put in place and it were illegal to own significant amounts of gold, it would be very difficult for people outside the established criminal circles to sell their gold.

    Gold investing could be a way of allowing more informed people to think they’ve got an edge thus venting pressure and preventing more meaningful action. In the end, when the majority of people in the lucky billion category of today, are impoverished, they won’t fight for the gold ownership of a few.

  156. warburg sidney

    sorry
    I learned that eduction is about two things:
    is of course education

  157. @youri
    yeah… yeah… but WTF… I mean why don’t you do something meaningful with your time and sort out that… sinterrasklaas thing you lot should be shamed … I don’t know how you could even live in a country like that… you dutch make the americans look like some advanced beings from the future… no prezzies for you this year… xmas is cancelled for you and the rest of your lot damn!!!

  158. @mike king
    wher are you when we need you most… I always agreed with you about the cliquey…smug chit chatting… there is a place to go… and do all that desperate saddo stuff!!!

  159. @sg ..I know what you mean all this postulating on this site is tooo much. Need to do things to get the couch potatoes off thier asses and fire a few shots.

  160. SG and DV.
    Go on then.
    Otherwise you are just postulating too :)

  161. @dan .valley
    being friendly is good, people making connections is brilliant part of what it’s all about… and I can waffle a bit myself… but sad in jokes and and trying to establish cliques etc… is too much like being back at school and just is a way of trying to exclude people and create a kinda sad little hierachy!!

  162. @Mini US
    postulater… what you think I’m playing… listen I aint bragging…. but everyone who knows me in the real world… if they only know one thing about me… they know I mean it!!!

  163. so as we all wait for dec. 1st to roll around and if the vote does go in favor of auditing the fed…how severe do you think the fall out will be and what will the people grab onto moving forward….this I feel is the the bigger picture we need to prepare for.

  164. Im friendly…..

  165. Human DNA can’t make someone human, otherwise you could take a strand of DNA and call it human. Broad swipes don’t really help to confront or expose our opponents. Now if we could point out the brass in those companies who have taken steps against liberty, that might be helpful.

  166. I also do more than postulate …the organizations I recommend joining and have plans of action that I partake in…Im doing as much as I can from where i am

  167. Hahahhaha

    Its a forum for whoever. Freedom, its great.
    Let them be what they wanna be…
    and they let you be who you are.

    Enjoy.

  168. @Y’all
    I’ve always had a theory about this site and the internet… that everyone has a kinda virtual alter ego… those that regularly make out they are militant… or are foul mouthed haters… are in fact teddy bears and those that are really well mannered and polite are probably capable of being real psychos… just a theory mind!!!

  169. @minus
    whoever, whatever… er…no… mostly it should be… MARKETS, FINANCE and SCANDAL!!!

  170. @Youri:
    The Snoot Addendum is lovely.

    @MiniUS:
    I read all of your and none of Jim’s.

    @OP:
    Never got “bum in the face” from a doggy before. Poor little mite. Here’s a “your momma” joke to cheer him up!

    “Yo mama is so nasty she brings crabs to the beach!”

  171. so as we all wait for dec. 1st to roll around and if the vote does go in favor of auditing the fed…how severe do you think the fall out will be and what will the people grab onto moving forward….this I feel is the the bigger picture we need to prepare for.
    @DanValley:

    The vote is a joke. The US is under FASP from our own IMF/Treasury as FrankHope indicated.

    This is truly the mother of all coopted movements. Like the JollyGreenGiant is taking a dump in the US economic tank.

    You think the bozo Patriots have plan B?

  172. @minus
    whoever, whatever… er…no… mostly it should be… MARKETS, FINANCE and SCANDAL!!!

    To Whomever:
    Whatever.

  173. @frank….I guess its time to use those nukes.

  174. @ Snoot…heres a Frank Hope

    There once was a girl from Baroda
    Who built herself a pagoda
    The walls of its halls
    Were hung with the balls
    And the tools of the fools from the fed

  175. @DanValley:
    Did you know the sdr system is now in place for all cross-border trade? I’ve spent the morning reading on it. The Suez Canal has been using sdr-units for exchange since 1975.

    The BIS is planning on cutting off the US like a lesion. Deft swift cut: except for the military arm. There is no recourse: in or out.

    The sdr used as unit of account will lead your sniffer to the agencies and corporations which are in: and gold in the sdr basket???

    HAHAHAHAHAHA

  176. @DanValley:

    THIS IS ALL ABOUT TRADE. THE NWO IS A TRADE COOPERATIVE RUN THROUGH THE BANKS.

    All those do-goody-ooers are wasting their time trying to reform the US. The currency cartel is running things through the OCC now.

    People gotta think before they act and trust as this point should not extend to those who are paid to talk.

  177. I lived in Peru for two years. What made me ‘better’ than the Peruvians was the pay in dollars. The Peruvians were subjugated by my damn dollar bills.

    If we’re lucky our standard of living will meet Banana Republic standard. But what I remember was their were two classes of Peruvians. Those born into privilege and the rest. The rest had no medical, no potable water, no sewage drainage. Garbage was thrown in the rivers. The people believed that blond hair equalled power and would harass my friend’s little girl just to touch her blood hair for “suerte”.

    That inequal system was brought into the world by the same people who are now giving us Copehagen.

  178. Sorry, blond hair I meant….typo

  179. I am so glad Max has finally realized who Obama really is! Great job on the zombie/vampire and the 2012 fear hoax too!

    John F. Kennedy told his wife not to curtsy to the Queen of England!! JFK forever!!

  180. Shedlock’s missing the point re: food stamps and uenmployment benefits.

    Apparently he didn’t get the memo about how many people that are on food stamps. How many of these people went from high-salary jobs to stamps. And, Congress passed a bill to extend benefits. But ONLY to certain states with the highest unrmployment rates. Which means more votes for the Democrats in 2010?

    Do your homework.