Stacy Summary: From Janet Tavakoli. Great piece.
On October 25, 2009, when BBC’s Evan Davis interviewed him, Buffett surprised me : Click here to view the eight minute video. It started out so well, but after six minutes the interview went sideways. [Not shown in this clip Buffett said his $5 billion investment in Goldman Sachs’ preferred stock (plus free warrants) last year was, in part, a bet on a US government bailout.1 He thought the U.S. taxpayer got a good deal, but we got a worse deal than Buffett negotiated, and as I explain here, I feel taxpayers got chump change.]
@ 3:14 min: Buffett explains that if there were only 50 people on a fertile island, we wouldn’t take the five smartest people out of the 50 and give them the most money and tax breaks for trading rice futures and speculating: “Hell no! We’d get everybody producing rice. The idea that people that move money around are some favored class—and they are in this country, even in terms of taxes—strikes me as getting pretty far away from where we should be.”
@ 6:00 minutes: Buffett claims shareholder losses obviated moral hazard. Not true. In control frauds (first identified by William K. Black), financial institutions are destroyed, and shareholders lose. Only the agents: CEOs, CFOs, and highly paid employees are enriched. Unlike Buffett, these agents are “stewards,” not major owners. Moral hazard remains an intractable problem.
@ 6:25 minutes: Buffett claims taxpayers have not bailed out anybody, because tax rates have not gone up (yet), and “tax receipts are way down this year.” Chinese and Japanese buying U.S. government bonds have bailed out financial institutions. Not true unless we default or destructively print inflationary dollars. Tax receipts are down because of unemployment. U.S. taxpayer credit bailed out financial institutions, and we will have to pay back our debts.
Imagine this scenario: Warren grabs my credit card and charges twelve suits. When I object that I don’t want to bail out his wardrobe, he chuckles and says, don’t worry, you haven’t paid anything yet. The bank that issued the credit card bailed out my wardrobe, and it hasn’t even had time to charge you interest on my purchase.
When I protest that I’ll have to eventually pay off both the balance and accrued interest, he tries flattery. You are so productive that by the time you have to pay this off, you’ll have so much more wealth that you won’t even notice these charges. You’ve always been good for it before, and you’ll figure out how to pay!
Don’t fall for it.
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@mep
I kinda hear ya too… just try fitting those words on a xmas card… and yeah as a parent myself I’m not so obsessed about converting children to my religious, political or economic views… personally I think it’s more about striking a balance and how far you are prepared to go with your beliefs… which is why I usually prefer art and or allowing people the freedom to reflect and arrive at their own conclusions about life… also I don’t think it’s very sensitive to keep mentioning persons name or a an individual case to make a point with, so feel free to respond… but this is discussion starting too carry too much emotionalI weight and I will not be mentioning it again to you!!!
Denninger – S&P Removes “One Click” P/E
Gee, what are they trying to hide?
As I have repeatedly shown there was has been a “one click” P/E available for the S&P 500 – from S&P – basically forever.
Here’s one (recent) example.
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1656-SP-Removes-One-Click-PE.html
Soon , they probably ban displaying the price of Gold !
A few Gold articles from today …
Video : Don’t think they’re not worried :
Rick Santelli talking about Gold and Central Bank Gold-supression :
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1339705660&play=1
after ca. 7 minutes
Says – if things were honest : 11,000$ – 50,000$ per ounce
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
A Mad Rush as Gold Bugs Get the Boot
…The movement of gold from HSBC has created a stir not only among the bank’s clients, but also among owners of warehouses and vaults around the country.
“I have never seen any relocation like this,” says Jonathan Potts, managing director of FideliTrade, the parent company of the Delaware Depository Service Co., which has two warehouses in Wilmington. FideliTrade’s two vaults have been filling up at an unprecedented pace, in part because it is taking in metal that has been ejected by HSBC….
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125902295608261455.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
What Will You Do With Your Gold?
http://www.lewrockwell.com/north/north600.html
Good article .
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
Gibson’s Paradox and the Gold Standard
http://www.gata.org/files/gibson.pdf
+ + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + + +
America’s Broken Politics
…Conclusion: We do not know if America, unlike Rome, can return to the roots of her greatness. But the Internet itself has certainly provided millions (not only in America) with a powerful learning tool. Those interested in culture and polity – and how societies function properly – have relearned the lessons of minimalist government and the value of honest money (gold and silver) in the past two decades. These great lessons may in fact provide a launching pad for the reinvigoration of America and the West if one is to come. Perhaps, then, the Guardian has it backwards. The problems that America faces are not going to be solved by government but by an expansion of freedom.
…
http://www.thedailybell.com/607/Americas-Broken-Politics.html
Russia buys almost 15.5 tonnes of gold in october!
http://in.reuters.com/article/fundsNews/idINGEE5AM1A020091123
DJ BHP Billiton’s David Morgan Resigns As Director
http://www.tradingmarkets.com/.site/news/Stock%20News/2675559/
Very good point: East Anglia researchers “violated a fundamental principle of science,” he said, by refusing to share data with other researchers. “They built a group to do gatekeeping, which is also totally unacceptable,”
Bunch of criminals should be in jail.
Lawmakers Probe Climate Emails (The Wall Street Journal) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125902685372961609.html
Nude Students http://tinyurl.com/yj74nbr
Inhofe to call for hearing into CRU, U.N. climate change research http://tinyurl.com/ycklnuh
Happy X-Maz From Germany:
http://tinyurl.com/ygxqsab
http://tinyurl.com/ygxbu28
http://www.garynorth.com/public/5731.cfm
@ dan valley – Oh my! Must’ve been an awkward experience for most people there.
@ Supergeek – I hear you. Doesn’t sound like sklein is interested in getting rich or worshiping wealth by buying a little silver for relatives as Xmas gifts, though . . . more like bucking the whole hyper-consumption model that feeds the very sociopaths who brought the global economy down by withdrawing from that model and purchasing something that actually has value. Silver definitely beats plastic!
@ Phil – The war surtax is a political ploy–and a good one at that. The point is to pressure the WH and those who support troop escalation/continuation of our occupations to explain to the public how we’ll pay for the wars. Focusing on the financial end of it could very well lead to further backlash against escalation among the public. The majority has already soured on Afghanistan.
@ frances – Along a similar vein: rancher jailed for housing homeless.
@ all – More from Scahill on Blackwater: Blackwater’s secret war in Pakistan. (Pretty long, but a good read.)
Nude shopping: Market allows naked buyers food for free
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O1LPC9LMi6I&feature=SeriesPlayList&p=93188243F6D0495F
I just saw this ad on TV for the 1st time, only on the TV, the ad had “Sponsored by Coca-Cola, SAP & Siemens” at the end of it. It struck me as exceedingly ballsy–esp. for Coca-Cola given the ease with which critics can call out the hypocrisy of them stealing water from the poor in India and worsening the already-present water crisis there.
Somehow, I’ve missed the whole Hopenhagen greenwashing campaign until now. It’s not terribly surprising, but boy is it disgusting.
@tofu cholly
cheers didn’t know anything about felipe (IT) before quite a cool dude… and the interviewer she really looked like an argentinian I had a little thing with… and on that note I think it’s my bedtime… laters!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJuxb7HddOM
blam!
@PaulH
I missed the apology.
George Monbiot: “I apologise. I was too trusting of some of those who provided the evidence I championed.”
http://bit.ly/92VOf7
That takes balls, balls made of philosophy.
Bono’s just an Idiot trying to get into the Billionares Club in my Opinion .He’s a retarted guy who made good music and should stick to that. So does most of Hollywood they wanna be in the 20 Billion dollar plus Bracket. And the Billionaire are like “No way Hozzay”
@JustGet Itright
Thanks for the link!
@PaulH
Good find.
“Some of the data discussed in the emails should be re-analysed.”
Gerry Celente– Obamageddon (if you kike this type of hype)
be prepared for the unexpected, no recovery, big cover up to keep to keep madeoff scheme going. Beware the bank holiday, that is when they will devalue money. They do not care if dollar falls, because they will pay back in cheaper dollars. Gerry is on a roll in this one …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WI7TttaH6h4&feature=player_embedded
@youri @frances
sorry I have been skimmering a lot since I left my glasses at a friends my so double no!!!
Correlating the Sunspot Cycle with the Outbreak of Wars, Recessions and Social Unrest. http://bit.ly/3kD5RL
@Y’all
Understanding the psychology of authoritarianism
The Authoritarians – Bob Altemeyer (pdf)
http://home.cc.umanitoba.ca/~altemey/
h/t boing boing
@Supergeek:
Did you see my link this morning on Intel receiving stimulus funds?
@Supergeek
That’s realy laughable that’s why I called it a Computer Animation before. These people should be in jail.
@MotherEarth:
Your link for the male chauvinism utube video (at climate babes) to be an admonition for women to follow climate change was an interesting one seeing as freedom to pursue choice is the greatest advocate your cause could have. Instead the cause is being corrupted by the politicians and corporations to whom you turn a blind eye. Chickens make poor disciples.
@MotherEarth:
How many of your climate change adherents are displaying this type of behaviour?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2gzPzv1XUs
@Y’all
Intel wants to brain implants in it’s customers heads by 2020.
http://tinyurl.com/yf64gcm
@Y’all
Mad Science, Growing meat without animals.
http://tinyurl.com/ybzhnsa
@Joe
Hope the go for Summers than we can expect the collapse sooner rather than later end get it over with.
Larry Summers & CEO of JP Morgan Jamie Dimon now touted as replacements for Bernanke and Geithner
http://bit.ly/85HsYR
& here
http://bit.ly/7GmNxp
@mep
I know it mat seem a bit harsh the silver… coins thingy but… even though I’m not one of those people who blames america for all the worlds ills… I do think americas ability to commercialize almost every aspect of life and it’s ability to serve the money at the expense of even their own children almost unparalieled… in the modern world… so to me criticizing the system in one moment while trying to get rich off it the next… I find a bit hypocritical… oh yeah and the last time I checked this was still the internet and if you come here expecting to be patted on the back and or appreciated like you would by your own family for increasing your wealth you are maybe slightly narrow minded!!!
Climate email least of problems Check out the Data files
Data horribilia: the HARRY_READ_ME.txt file
http://www.devilskitchen.me.uk/2009/11/data-horribilis-harryreadmetxt-file.html
Germany signed a secret contract to prepare for a pandemic of deadly flu – in 2007! (Das Bild – Germany) http://tinyurl.com/ybpmx2f
George Monbiot wades in to the CRU climate change hacking with a very unexpected apology to his readers…
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cif-green/2009/nov/23/global-warming-leaked-email-climate-scientists
@All:
Thought this was an interesting quote:
“For the artificial sundering of true and false wisdom creats a tension in the psyche, and from this there arises a loneliness and a craving like that of a morphine addict, who always hopes to find companions in his vice.” (pb.16 Carl Jung, The Archetypes and the Collective Unconscious)
I like the words: artificial sundering.
ACORN in trouble again…. Poverty pimps completely corrupt
http://biggovernment.com/2009/11/23/breaking-san-diego-acorn-document-dump-scandal/
@Phil
Shocking! American children have no food but war budget is there!?
Obama Allies Want New Tax To Pay For Cost Of Protecting Afghan Opium Fields, Bribing Taliban http://tinyurl.com/yh3y9xd
Pentagon Expected to Request More War Funding http://tinyurl.com/yhntqmu
Rumsfeld 2.3 Trillion Dollars missing Pentagon Vid http://tinyurl.com/6o9ywp
@Mep
Shocking!
More Than Half Of Teachers Report Buying Hungry Students Food With Their Own Money http://tinyurl.com/y92kerj
Food Stamps Will Feed Half Of US Kids, Study Says http://tinyurl.com/ybpq3nb
Costco plans to accept food stamps nationally http://tinyurl.com/ykway5v
Developed countries face threat of soaring prices and food shortages http://tinyurl.com/yzo4f6w
On Monday, Congressman Paul appeared on CNBC to respond to critics of Audit the Fed and to discuss the true causes of the economic crisis, the failure of the Fed to keep the dollar stable, and the need to know who is receiving our money.
http://www.cnbc.com/id/15840232?video=1339737581&play=1
The Treasury sold $44 billion of two-year notes at Record Low Yield of 0.802% http://tinyurl.com/yc88moh
@ Supergeek – Cheers backatcha. Maybe when you get your glasses back, you can leave them off while commenting here so that we can still be entertained by your typos.
Re: money worship, I think I understand what you mean. Sklein’s idea of giving silver coins as presents doesn’t strike me as playing into that, though.
@ sklein – Re: the need for food, you’re 100% correct. It seems like when we think we’ve heard the worst, there’s more depressing news about hunger and food insecurity. The HuffPost has a story tonight about a recent survey that revealed that some 63% of teachers across the country who were included in the survey are spending their own money so that their students may eat. http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/23/more-than-half-of-teacher_n_368356.html
545 PEOPLE
By Charlie Reese
Politicians are the only people in the world who create problems and then campaign against them.
Have you ever wondered, if both the Democrats and the Republicans are against deficits? WHY do we have deficits?
Have you ever wondered, if all the politicians are against inflation and high taxes, WHY do we have inflation and high taxes?
You and I don’t propose a federal budget. The President does.
You and I don’t have the Constitutional authority to vote on appropriations. The House of Representatives does.
You and I don’t write the tax code, Congress does.
You and I don’t set fiscal policy, Congress does.
You and I don’t control monetary policy, the Federal Reserve Bank does.
One hundred Senators, 435 Congressmen, one President, and nine Supreme Court Justices equates to 545 human beings out of the 300 million Americans are directly, legally, morally, and individually responsible for the domestic problems that plague this country.
I excluded the members of the Federal Reserve Board because that problem was created by the Congress. In 1913, Congress delegated its Constitutional duty to provide a sound currency to a federally chartered, but private, central bank.
I excluded all the special interests and lobbyists for a sound reason. They have no legal authority. They have no ability to coerce a senator, a congressman, or a president to do one cotton-picking thing. I don’t care if they offer a politician $1 million dollars in cash. The politician has the power to accept or reject it. No matter what the lobbyist promises, it is the legislator’s responsibility to determine how he votes.
Those 545 human beings spend much of their energy convincing you that what they did is not their fault. They cooperate in this common con, regardless of party affiliation.
What separates a politician from a normal human being is an excessive amount of gall. No normal human being would have the gall of a Speaker, who stood up and criticized the President for creating deficits. The president can only propose a budget. He cannot force the Congress to accept it.
The Constitution, which is the supreme law of the land, gives sole responsibility to the House of Representatives for originating and approving appropriations and taxes. Who is the speaker of the House? Nancy Pelosi. She is the leader of the majority party. She and fellow House members, not the president, can approve any budget they want. If the president vetoes it, they can pass it over his veto if they agree to.
It seems inconceivable to me that a nation of 300 million can not replace 545 people who stand convicted — by present facts — of incompetence and irresponsibility. I can’t think of a single domestic problem that is not traceable directly to those 545 people. When you fully grasp the plain truth that 545 people exercise the power of the federal government, then it must follow that what exists is what they want to exist.
If the tax code is unfair, it’s because they want it unfair.
If the budget is in the red, it’s because they want it in the red …
If the Army & Marines are in IRAQ, it’s because they want them in IRAQ
If they do not receive social security but are on an elite retirement plan not available to the people, it’s because they want it that way.
There are no insoluble government problems.
Do not let these 545 people shift the blame to bureaucrats, whom they hire and whose jobs they can abolish; to lobbyists, whose gifts and advice they can reject; to regulators, to whom they give the power to regulate and from whom they can take this power. Above all, do not let them con you into the belief that there exists disembodied mystical forces like “the economy,” “inflation,” or “politics” that prevent them from doing what they take an oath to do.
Those 545 people, and they alone, are responsible.
They, and they alone, have the power.
They, and they alone, should be held accountable by the people who are their bosses.
Provided the voters have the gumption to manage their own employees.
We should vote all of them out of office and clean up their mess!
Charlie Reese is a former columnist of the Orlando Sentinel Newspaper.
What you do with this article now that you have read it……….. is up to you.
@ Dedo
Yes, it was your UnCool cat that said that.
I remember now.
Iran’s military spending not 1% of the US’s
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/spending.htm
Iran 03 vs US 08.
@Gordo,….yeah but c’mon,..anyone who disputes the “fact” the climate changes,..is a few cards short of a full deck, maybe,..hmmm.
@ Dedo
Actually some people do dispute it.
and maybe it is deniers that force the complete change in society.
@Will … War Drums – several article’s from today in AsiaTimes.com
US, Iranian naval Red Sea buildup off Yemen. Debut for Iran’s midget subs
DEBKAfile Exclusive Report
November 23, 2009, 10:58 PM (GMT+02:00)
http://www.debka.com/headline.php?hid=6387
@Y’all
Daddy what did you do today at work?
well son, I made a lot of money out of and investing in somebody elses misfortune….
Is that why you are so angry all the time daddy, is that why you bought a gun and we need bars on the windows?
yes son.
daddy please do something else for a job, me and mummy don’t want to be kidnapped again even if you can pay the ransom.
FORA.tv – Naomi Klein and Joseph Stiglitz on Economic Power http://bit.ly/7NH9iY
IPCC report,…..LOL,..you’re a very funny guy .lol,.hahaha
Lawmakers Propose ‘War Surtax’ to Pay for Troop Increase in Afghanistan
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2009/11/23/lawmakers-propose-war-surtax-pay-troop-increase-afghanistan/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%253A+foxnews%252Fpolitics+%2528FOXNews.com+-+Politics%2529
@Mother,…The onus is on you I ‘m afraid,……You’re the guys who are pushing for a complete change in society! : )
@Mother — ah, sorry, misunderstood. You are the Admin poster at climatebabes? Pretty good debunking, Too bad you only analysed the stuff that people were looking at in the first 24 hours.
Here’s my watered-down angle for mainstreamers:
“I think the pressure of “saving the planet” was getting to these guys. They didn’t want any competition because they thought it would slow down the UN IPCC response and hinder international cooperation. They experienced some problems with their software development (gridding etc), but were under such great pressure that they had to fluff some very tiny superficial aspects, eg data normalization, etc… In the future, Chinese whales will celebrate their exploits. etc”
(Note how I don’t insult or mock “skeptics”?)
@Dedo
My money is on ME.
Really not sure why I’m agreeing to read these. None provide the evidence I seek, and then ME tells me it’s available yet won’t provide a link??
My monies on the big A. C,……(dual)
And Frances,..I know you’re her conduit : )
@Gordo,….No one is disputing GW,…it’s the GW initiated by the increase of CO2,…
@Adam C
Sombody owes you a chicken?
@Dedo:
Are the gentlemen having a duel?
@Dedo:
No, no , nooo,….the hat HAS to fit all lobes of the brain,..otherwise it’s ineffective,.duh !
Why you telling me? Do you want me to call Stella for you?
I mean read
@Mother Earth
Motivation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:David_-_The_Death_of_Socrates.jpg
@Dedo
No, let Adam C provide a link, I got an IPCC report.
@Adam C
Write my comments at http://www.climatebabes.com
@ Mother Earth
I am firmly in the GW camp but it affects everyone so it perhaps could be made OS as an experiment.
I have heard the arguments made by James Hanson’s, Tim Flannery’s and some other guy. Very convincing.
1) Yes they do take solar into account.
2) I do not think rely on models very much.
I’ll try to find this over next while.
@Mother Earth
Shush, whilst I read your blog ;^)
0942777075 – “I’ve just completed Mike’s Nature trick of adding in the real temps to each series for the last 20 years (ie from 1981 onwards) amd from 1961 for Keith’s to hide the decline.”
“Trick” I can understand. Could be called a fix, kludge, or hack.
But “hide”? What is meant by that?
–
1089318616 – “I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is!”
Quoting from the text file:
“The other paper by MM is just garbage – as you knew. De Freitas again. Pielke is also losing all credibility as well by replying to the mad Finn as well – frequently as I see it. I can’t see either of these papers being in the next IPCC report. Kevin and I will keep
them out somehow – even if we have to redefine what the peer-review literature is !”
So the redefinition of peer-review is not for the benefir of Eugenia??
@Mother,…beyond dispute !
As Adam states: All that and STILL no evidence FOR CO2-driven climate change. The burden of proof for that theory still rests firmly with the AGW theorists.
Just give us a link! please,.: )
@Adam C
Stop pretending you want to be convined by science, if you can’t even suss out that Ball guy..
@Y’all
I don’t come on this site to ever promote hate… and I have never asked the most ignorant and often asked question er… why aren’t people more angry???
@Adam c
Why are you quoting yourself? Emails or not, the CO2 part is beyond dispute. How do you manage to stay motivated?
@Gordo
You can’t make all scientific data and methods public all the time, because that is these people work on for a living, and they would not be able to protect their intellectual property. If they publish on the other hand their assertions get peer reviewed, so the scientific method does all you want to achieve.
@Gordo
Thanks for your support. I’m only asking to be convinced with science. I haven’t closed my mind to anything. Given the stakes, why would I??
@Mother Earth
Yes, I listened to the full interview on YT yesterday and bookmarked the Telegraph article today. I did indeed copy the Telegraph’s quotation in full on this forum.
I’m only really on the look out for evidence FOR CO2-driven climate change. The ‘scandal’ is interesting but ultimately even if some scientists are disciplined for wrong-doing, that still doesn’t make up for the lack of empirical data for the AGW hypothesis. I’m not into these fashionable ad hominem attacks, but I will read and distribute news of ongoing events making little commentaries as I go.
Thanks for the link to your website. Reading now…
@#mick/southport
You hate everything… except money and seeing other people suffer… dickhead!!!
@ Adam C
Actually I think that your idea that all the data and the models used should be open sourced so to speak, would be a good idea.
@ Dedo
UnCool cat!
Uncool cats need tin hat.
UnCool Cat NO dodge the brain in the vat.
@Gordo
Quoting my previous comment
>>
All that and STILL no evidence FOR CO2-driven climate change. The burden of proof for that theory still rests firmly with the AGW theorists.
>>
“All that” referring to the email and documents leak/hack. I don’t consider this disclosure a smoking gun. The lack of empirical evidence is my concern.
@Tofu
I commented on the messages here (hope it is not to boring).
http://www.climatebabes.com/
@Adam C
Have you listened to Ball? You are also leaving out revealing parts ot the messages, which may mean you simply copied the quotes.
@ frances snoot
Cool cat!
But cats don’t need no tin hat.
Cat dodge the brain in the vat.
@Frances,…..No, no , nooo,….the hat HAS to fit all lobes of the brain,..otherwise it’s ineffective,.duh !
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ManWearingTinFoilHat.jpg
@Gordo – one can still hope that this time it’s different, especially since this time US taxpayers REALLY don’t have any money. But you’re probably right, won’t happen. {sigh}
@ Will
Too expensive for the US tax payer.
Don’t count on it. I used to hope for something like that back in my younger and naive days.
“satelites radiating you from outer space.”
PA!!!
Stella… What ya done put the tin from my cardrip pan ontops o’ yur head?
PA!!!
Stella, whatz? The cat got yur tongue? You look fit to light up fur Christmy!
PA!!! Ole Cravatz done warned Cleetus that them aliens is a’comin up the road yet. Cleetus sayz theyz got lights and if I don’t wear this’n tin atop my head them greyuns is a’gonna strip my brain clean out.
Stella, it ain’t anythin to afeerd. Shoot, Ma done talked to some funny folk backun the collards last week. They never stripped her a’nothin. Just a’sayin that they be a’needin a settindown place fur their flyin contrapshun. She sayz that they was right POlite and ‘spectful and she gave em some dandeelion wine to go.
Really, Pa? I ain’t a’gotta wear it? I’m gonna skin Cleetus and throw him in the alligatur pond, sure nuff. Come here, Buster. Let’s see what yur head looks like with the tinsy on top!
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2363/1505091017_e3fc22ffb8.jpg
I have no idea where that apostrophe came from! (article’s) Sorry…it would be nice to be able to press “Preview” so a post can be proofed and edited.
Anyway, at some point we wake up and wonder why no one was noticing that there has been this huge military buildup going on, and why no one was thinking that it would escalate. Seems like people who are not directly involved in some way think of the wars as some football games going on “over there.” IMO the US government cannot afford to keep up even what it is already doing. Perhaps it will soon become obviously too expensive to US taxpayers????
regarding that sad interview buffett gave to bbc, aka, buffett’s world wide tour to garner goodwill as he spouts off about how unfair things were as he rapes america…..well i guess in the worse financial crisis since the great depression some of the most UNLIKELY of folks will be pushed to the breaking point in to doing some of the most UNTHINKABLE things.
todd, just what are brk shareholders and the other “rice” growing members on mr buffett’s fictional deserted island supposed to “enjoy” from this video?
it appears that buffett has turned into nothing more than a D.C. banking lobbyist gun for hire spewing ridiculous justifications for the largest transfer of wealth to the most undeserving financial terrorists in the history of the world!
this interview only proves that once you lie about something, you find yourself having to continue a long series of even bigger whoppers that gets you further and further deeper into the muck. is that in the owner’s manual?
come on, buffett’s argument that the “taxpayer has not bailed out the banks, it is the japanese and chinese that have paid for it,” is like a child saying to his parents “we have all the money we want mommy and daddy cuz we can withdrawal all we want using that card at that bank cash machine…its the bank’s money!”
and mr buffett, the last time i checkedi did not see my corner McDonalds on it.
absolutely, the govt’s actions to backstop the CommerPaper and mny mrkts, and FDIC increasing deposit insur and the like was ABSOLUTELY essential to the moms and pops of AMERICA, but to TERRORIZE the avg joe to justify WALL ST’s/BUFFETT’S THEFT via unwarranted subsidies to the WALL ST & TBTF BANKS BOMBERS of the financial system is despicable behavior and the MOTHER OF ALL MORAL HAZARD.
what we have here ladies and gentlemen, is an investor who was TOO BIG TO FAIL and who made the conscious choice to compensate for MASSIVE MISTAKES IN NOT KEEPING CLOSER TABS on his investments in the financials and elected the route of TAXPAYER BAILOUTS to keep these firms afloat. this is entirely inconsistent with what buffett has preached for many years and will serve as a massive STAIN ON HIS LEGACY.
you would think the EMBARRASSMENT and SHAME he must be feeling for acting in this way and putting forth such RIDICULOUS arguments and analogies would soon force some sort of repentance or change in behavior.
what are all those COLLEGE KIDS he speaks to gonna say and do when he shows up to preach to them? you reap what you sow on your island rice grower!
SOCIALISM for the elites is not going to yield more rice on our hypothetical desert island.
listen to VOLCKER listen to KING!!!!
protect the dollar, protect capitalism, protect the taxpayer, STOP MORAL HAZARD and BREAK UP THE BANKS!
War Drums – several article’s from today in AsiaTimes.com
US left out: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KK24Ak02.html
Sanctions: atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KK24Ak05.html
More US military buildup: http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/KK24Ak03.html
I store my hard work in hot dogs,..others use gold,…: )
@OP:
HI PUPPY!!!
@Super,…All folk are doing is trying to preserve all the hard work they’ve accumulated (preservation of wealth)
While others are blatantly stealing it.
You might have the wrong end the the stick,..maybe!
Blood Diamonds Blood Gold all the same too me.
It was the original gold bankers that invented fractional reserve (fill in the blank).
The whole thing about gold being honest or real money is total BS.
I Hate everything, but i worry that Gold is in a bubble. Not a bad week, my carjacker is DEAD!
Mike
@Y’all
I know it aint just me… other people on this site recognise… that lately some of the gold bugs have need a good kick up arse… looking after yourself is one thing but having more than you really need and revelling in it is another… sometimes it seems to me a very thin line between being a gold bug and being a banker or some selfish twat that works down the city!!!
@ Adam and all
I know you are all feeling so good about this now you are so sure of the smoking gun so to speak.
Perhaps you are being manipulated.
Oh never? That is what you are claiming about the other side.
@Super,….get yourself a piece of rope, it might do you some good !! : )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mouM5fw6HoA
let me tell you something for nothing. every dime of the bonus money in the last 3 years is in physical gold and silver. and these boys won’t have any tugston in there bars. rise up for god sake. goldman sucks are financial trrrists
Tax his land,
Tax his bed,
Tax the table
At which he’s fed.
Tax his tractor,
Tax his mule,
Teach him taxes
Are the rule.
Tax his work,
Tax his pay,
He works for peanuts
Anyway!
Tax his cow,
Tax his goat,
Tax his pants,
Tax his coat.
Tax his ties,
Tax his shirt,
Tax his work,
Tax his dirt.
Tax his tobacco,
Tax his drink,
Tax him if he
Tries to think.
Tax his cigars,
Tax his beers,
If he cries
Tax his tears.
Tax his car,
Tax his gas,
Find other ways
To tax his ass.
Tax all he has
Then let him know
That you won’t be done
Till he has no dough.
When he screams and hollers;
Then tax him some more,
Tax him till
He’s good and sore.
Then tax his coffin,
Tax his grave,
Tax the sod in
Which he’s laid.
Put these words
Upon his tomb,
Taxes drove me
to my doom…’
When he’s gone,
Do not relax,
Its time to apply:
The inheritance tax….
@s.klein
oops… no I don’t know you… but if you want to put across you views about MONEY and you feel so sensitive already… how you gonna feel if the shit really does hit the fan… and people without anything are looking at you knowing you have got 30 pieces of silver in you pocket??? Gold and Silver are not gonna make it alright for anyone…it’s just gonna present people with another set of problems that’s all… nothing to feel so smug about IMO!!!
@everynoe — Anyone news RE planned blockade of Congressmen returning to Congress after December break? Citizens refusing to let congresspeople back.
the problem with the assumption that tax payers have not lost anything on the bailout because there taxes have not increased is this. buffet thinks he has a stake in america but the little guy does not.
@s.kein
gold when you was a kid … yeah children tend to be selfish and materialistic…. as adults we should be bit deeper… the food bank makes good sense though!!!
@Geek
You do not know me.
@mother earth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ydo2Mwnwpac
@s.klein
I think anybody that encorouges money worship… or can’t think past it needs to chill out a lot more than I ever will… just think about relaxing yourself and you may start to really think or feel a bit more!!!!
@ Adam — really? Solidly skeptical as early as 04/05?
Honestly, because I’m such a lousy person, it’s not something I was following heavily in the mid-00′s… although, around ’03/04 I was a little freaked out by news about methane-hydrates & peat bogs thawing (etc) and the thought that the release of lots of methane could accellerate “greenhouse effect”. (In NZ, because of the dairy industry, methane is #1 greenhouse gas.)
Earlier this year, when I heard (what I now realize was CRU) saying they had deleted or lost so much data that others couldn’t do independent models to compare with the UN’s, I started to get suspicious…
Paul Krugman Op-Ed in the NY Times arguing why we need more gov’t spending. http://bit.ly/8TAuTx
Anyone actually believe this? Empire of debt needs to spend more..
@superG
Chill out man.
Frankly, I’m not much on Xmas at all.
I’m not giving that many gifts. Just to my sons. They need very little at this moment and what they really want –probably girls. I can’t help them there.
I wish my parents had given me silver. Actually, my mom did give me a silver Kennedy head once.
I’ll also make a donation to our local food bank. It will be sorely needed.
@#2 mick/southport
how is the hate this week???
@Tofu
Well, I really couldn’t have followed all the threads before reading the first Skeptics Handbook: http://bit.ly/5ilJaD (The second for completeness: http://bit.ly/5GAUmy)
Then it was a case of looking out for some actual evidence rather than the over-reported flawed computer-models based on obsfucated data.
Then of course asking others for their perspectives and dismissing silly claims that it wasn’t my right to ask for evidence, despite being a fellow human being with a confirmed interest in science via a BSc qualification. Not that that warrants anything.
Also, I worked on a funded research project a while back (2005) investigating the switching to algae to mitigate against fossil fuel reliance and to stall global warming as it was known back then.
Not sure how that funding came about. Perhaps the term Global Warming in the research proposal helped secure it??
Intellectual honesty and scientific skepticism, mostly.
You?
Gold: Who’s buying; China’s domestic demand/production; Gold & equity flight http://tinyurl.com/y9lydql
Adam — just curious: up to what point did you “buy into” the establishment AGW / UN IPCC hypothesis? Or have you always been skeptical..?
@sklein
if you are gonna buy someone a present isn’t it more about getting someone what they want… but stocks , shares… art as an investment… xmas isn’t about investment … or money worship…. or deferred middle class gratification gone crazy… yeah buying people your political views for xmas… what are like some mad old auntie steroids… c’mon… you gotta be taking the piss… buying MONEY for xmas prezzies… er… we had to destroy the village to save the village!!!!
All that and STILL no evidence FOR CO2-driven climate change. The burden of proof for that theory still rests firmly with the AGW theorists.
If I and my englightened chums should set up a sunspot selective shielding scheme forced upon you all at the point of a gun by my bullyboy “Global Governance”, feel free to press me for evidence.
oops caught the Supergeek farting decease, meant well not will
@ Mother — thanks, can you plz comment me at my blog when it’s done? and i’ll link to it… Interested where “both sides” (ugh) are going with this.
The devastating book which debunks climate change http://tinyurl.com/ykupr8t
@Adam Bravo, will said, it’s nice to see that someone else has pulled their head out of the ground and are looking around.
Long list of gisted emails perhaps “taken out of context”
#Jones tells Mann that he is sending station data. Says that if McIntyre requests it under FoI he will delete it rather than hand it over. Says he will hide behind data protection laws. Says Rutherford screwed up big time by creating an FTP directory for Osborn. Says Wigley worried he will have to release his model code. Also discuss AR4 draft. Mann says paleoclimate chapter will be contentious but that the author team has the right personalities to deal with sceptics.(1107454306)
Bishop Hill’s compendium of CRU email issues
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/22/bishop-hills-compendium-of-cru-email-issues/
@Tofu
I’ll put together a reply with the original emails on climatebabes.com
@Mike … Gold etc
My guess is that today’s weakness in gold and silver has something to do with the overhang from Options Expiry on Friday – the ETFs , not the physical , which has a different options expiry date.
I did guess both would get a hit this week .. but I’m not expecting anything dramatic actually … PS: am usually wrong when I say things like that !
The Australian — Hot and bothered
‘Opposition Senate leader and Australia’s unofficial chief climate change sceptic Nick Minchin says the email scandal has strengthened a point he has long made.
“The leaked emails certainly substantiate the point I’ve been making that the scientific debate as to the small degree of global warming in the latter part of the 20th century is far from settled,” he says.’
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/features/hot-and-bothered/story-e6frg6z6-1225802504484
RussiaToday — Conspiracy of the century? Hackers ‘expose’ climate change
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFt07eAAQ94
CRU Hack (“ClimateGate”)… Special http://tinyurl.com/yemcbxw
Dr Ball attacking a closed-shop peer-review/publishing cabal of 42 scientists…
“It confirms suspicions that I’ve had working in my thirty years of climate science. I saw the hijacking of climate science particularly by computer modelers and then by a small group associated with the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change….”
“What you’ve got here is confirmation of the small group of scientists who, by the way, Professor Wegman who was asked to arbitrate in the debate about the hockey stick, he identified 42 people who were publishing together and also peer-reviewing each other’s literature. So there’s a classic example of the kind of thing that bothered me. About twenty years ago, I started saying ‘Well why are they pushing the peer review?’..And now of course we realise it’s because they had control of their own process. That’s clearly exposed in these emails.”
“On a global scale it’s frightening because this group of people not only control the Hadley Centre, which controls the data on global temperature through the Hadley Climate Research Unit but they also control the IPCC and they’ve manipulated that. And of course the IPCC has become the basis in all governments for the Kyoto protocol, the Copenhagen accord and so on….”
Climategate: why it matters
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017546/climategate-why-it-matters/
(Video inside)
Why so secretive?
@mep
I’m startting enjoy these typos now…. sorry!!!
@Gordo … Looks like that video was removed / 0403 ENERGY WORLD 1
Yes , maybe they’ll bring out an edited version instead.
It seems to becoming clearer all the time that the Eastern ( exploited ) world has been reading the same books like Griffins TCFJI and Perkins EHM and have caught on to the enormous scale of the ponzi scheme.
I predicted this over a year ago in that the BRIC countries and others will unite against this centuries old system of exploitation.
I say good luck to them .. even if it’s not good for me personally “short term”.
@mep
cheers for the first decent perspective on xmas so fart his year!!!
I believe that #1177158252.txt email exchange was in response to Stephen McIntyre’s request for raw data before it got all value-added/commercialized.
Full story for context…
The Dog Ate Global Warming
http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=ZTBiMTRlMDQxNzEyMmRhZjU3ZmYzODI5MGY4ZWI5OWM=&w=MA==
‘Warwick Hughes, an Australian scientist, wondered where that “+/–” came from, so he politely wrote Phil Jones in early 2005, asking for the original [surface temperature] data. Jones’s response to a fellow scientist attempting to replicate his work was:
“We have 25 years or so invested in the work. Why should I make the data available to you, when your aim is to try and find something wrong with it?” Reread that statement, for it is breathtaking in its anti-scientific thrust. In fact, the entire purpose of replication is to “try and find something wrong.”
The ultimate objective of science is to do things so well that, indeed, nothing is wrong.’
Why not just publish the data?? Would save a lot of bother.
Gold going to get KILLED very soon!
http://www.foxbusiness.com/story/markets/industries/energy/gold-fall–year-end-forecaster/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnews%2Fbusiness+%28FOXNews.com+-+Business%29
Mike
#1177158252.txt: “…the response should try to somehow label these guys and lazy and incompetent and unable to do the huge amount of work it takes to construct such a database. Indeed technology and data handling capabilities have evolved and not everything was saved. So my feeble suggestion is to indeed cast aspersions on their motives and throw in some counter rhetoric. Labeling them as lazy with nothng better to do seems like a good thing to do.”
Alleged CRU Emails – Searchable Archive
http://www.anelegantchaos.org/cru/index.php
@ Phil
Looks like that video was removed>
0403 ENERGY WORLD 1
@mother earth: Paranoid! Who said I’m Paranoid…
CRU Emails “may” be open to interpretation, but commented code by the programmer tells the real story
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2009/11/22/cru-emails-may-be-open-to-interpretation-but-commented-code-by-the-programmer-tells-the-real-story/
// Plots 24 yearly maps of calibrated (PCR-infilled or not) MXD reconstructions of growing season temperatures. Uses “corrected” MXD – but shouldn’t usually plot past 1960 because these will be artificially adjusted to look closer to the real temperatures.
@ Mother — I have a summary of some quotes, angles here if you’re interested. You said you looked through the ZIP file, but I’m not entirely sure how much:
http://wp.me/pDCN5-tf
Before you cry “bullshit”, or others cry “smoking gun” we’ve gotta wait for outsider climate-modelers to go through the code and datasets and run their own simulations to see if there has been any real fraud in terms of manipulation of data. That would be devastating to IPCC. And (still in early days) multiple quotes do tend to support the theory that CRU’s public findings and its private datasets and computer modeling are, at the least, not of the same degree of accuracy.
Again, no Schadenfreude in reporting this…
@mep
Lets spread the meme that the CIA and FBI conspired to make AJ wear pants. See if he will wear a skirt..
Catherine Austin Fitts also has weak moments, she talks about satelites radiating you from outer space. Next thing people will wear tin foil hats. The paranoid are an attractive market I guess.
0403 ENERGY WORLD 1
The Eastern world no longer trusts the WB and IMF.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BAzc73YhO0M&feature=sub
@ Tofu Charlie – From what I’ve read, the most scandalous thing about the e-mails was that people were talking smack about the skeptics and discussing ways to combat their arguments:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/23/global-warming-emails-hac_n_367979.html
@ Mother Earth – Yeah, I’d be interested in seeing his bank accounts, too, though I don’t have much on an opinion on what his agenda is. It could just be that he truly believes that everything is a conspiracy.
@ sklein – Good for you! Here are some other starve-the-beast holiday ideas–
Staging a financial blackout: http://hiteminthewallet.wordpress.com/2009/10/28/american-citizens-should-we-stage-a-financial-blackout-for-this-christmas/
Participating in Buy Nothing Day: https://www.adbusters.org/campaigns/bnd
Regifting: http://www.thedailygreen.com/environmental-news/latest/regifting-synd?src=rss
For those people whose psyche is damaged by not getting gifts, I’m actually going to do some regifting this year. Never done it before, but it can be done in a tasteful way, and I’ve got a lot of nice candles and other stuff that I have no need for.
@Tofu
Be specific. This Professor Ball attacks ‘peer review’ (the de facto process of science) ‘ochestrating’ (what do you expect from an organization) and correcting/filtering scientist and data, which is also the proces. If the alligation is not specific it’s just sad fear mongering.
@ Mother Earth — re: “climategate” CRU hack
Must disagree. There’s plenty in the files — they’re still being picked apart. Latest quotes — yet to reach MSM — are support-worker comments buried in code, etc. This story is going somewhere… in the UK they’re talking criminal investigation over Phil Jones’ FOIA deception/deletions etc.
Starting to be picked up by TV news:
http://catastrophist.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/msm-videos-cru-hack-climategate/
I’m not a skeptic/denier (not really excited about the scientific debate; that’s not where the action is) but from a PR perspective this is one of the biggest “disasters” ever, and it’s just starting. Damage control spin has been pretty weak so far.
New gold bugs making gold investments mainstream http://tinyurl.com/yhjdjof
Coal prices pose problems for China’s power producers http://tinyurl.com/y9ue33w
Everybody is talking about oil forgetting that coal is still very Important http://tinyurl.com/ygrsxme
Hell!
I’m going to buy 90% silver dimes for gifts this year. That way I’ll support my ongoing efforts to starve the beast.
Isn’t global warming a good thing for life on earth,.or is global cooling better,…….or is it best for us humans to regulate the temperature, eg ,.control it!
And if we conserve all life on earth in its present state,..maybe we can halt any natural progress,…would be fun for everything to stay the same huh!
The planet as an emergent organism,..bollocks to that! : )
@ Mother Earth – Is he also a faux Christian? I have to infer that from his understanding of what casting pearls before swine means.
Anyway, I think Max is right: AJ deserves some credit for waking people up to real scandals, and for doing so before many folks have the guts to go there, themselves. But IMO, he’s off base at least as much as he’s on target, and I don’t consider him a valid source of info. or have all that much respect for him.
@ Gordo – I’m with you. Last year, I had people who insisted on buying me stuff purchase ungifts for me from Heifer and Oxfam. I got a couple dozen chicks, a flock of geese, a goat, and some water for irrigation. There were some family members who were put off by the idea of giving to poor people instead of buying me something that I didn’t need. (The need that some people have just to give something–whether wanted, unwanted, needed, or not–is pretty strong, I guess.) This year, I’m just going to tell them to take whatever $ they felt the need to spend on me, buy food with it, and take it to local food pantries. We’ll see how that goes over.
@ Mep ,Mother Earth
Mish and Denninger also jumped on that cherry picked data used to discredit GW.
Pathetic coming from those 2.
@Mep
He is hyping nothing. I have the files, it’s like the devils verses, nobody reads them (there are 1073 emails), its symptomatic of an indiscriminate audience. He must be milking scepticism, or be working for big oil, or both. It is typical he wants the country desperate armed and in chaos, its the standard fox fare only with different topics. I’d like to take a look at his bank account one ot these days.
I’ll be offended if I get anything but lumps of coal.
Starve the beast.
@ Mother Earth – Alex Jones also believes that Peak Oil is a myth:
http://www.prisonplanet.com/archives/peak_oil/index.htm
So, what can be expected?
I should not bring up this subject..This is why I thik Alex Jones is a fat shill. Ranting about the hacked climate data..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NFoV3C2zSPQ
According to an AP poll, it looks like banksters, retail chains, and the credit card industry are going to be getting a bunch of coal in their stockings this Christmas. 80% of people polled by the AP said they intend to use cash only when doing their holiday shopping.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20091123/us-ap-poll-stressing-over-debt/
oh yeah
you can get better returns and have way more options with your $100 000 than he has with his $50 billion
the ongoing banker bail out was absolutely essential
the bailouts haven’t touched the american taxpayer – only the Chinese
this plump little ogre’s mouth is a literal fount of BS
Einhorn bets on major currency ‘death spiral’
Major institutions should be broken up if necessary, Greenlight manager says
By Alistair Barr, MarketWatch
NEW YORK (MarketWatch) — Greenlight Capital is betting on the possibility of a major currency collapse and a surge in interest rates, the hedge-fund firm’s manager David Einhorn said Monday, citing ballooning government deficits in some of the world’s most developed countries.
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/story/print?guid=23465BA4-9D9F-4AA0-AD7E-88E2D5FBC7E6
@ Phil
Point taken.
Here Is Why The Dollar Is Now Effectively Worthless
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/here-why-dollar-now-effectively-worthless
@Gordo … He was saying NO to the military industrial complex.
Same thing … all one system !
FED+MIC+Govt.+WS
Crisis Update, Martin Armstrong, Gold, DOW, USD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzP4VTcr73s&feature=sub
I think that JFK was done in by the US security state.
He was saying NO to the military industrial complex.
I like the egg and spoon race !! : )
@ gonzomarx,
That supposed quote from Marx’s Das Kapital is an old hoax that was doing the rounds last year. Anywhere I’ve seen it posted that fact is acknowledged.
I assume that’s also the case wherever you copied and pasted it from, but you provide no source.
I’ve pasted the most relevant parts of Marx’s definition of ‘fictitious capital’ (Ch29, Capital Part III) and his description of a ‘credit crisis’ (Ch.30) quite a few times. Most recently here:
http://maxkeiser.com/2009/11/19/video-the-keiser-report-markets-finance-scandal/#comment-49354
It’s a lot more relevant than the pseudo-Marx quote, but oddly only the fabrication appeared in the media at the hight of the crisis last autumn.
The views of the real Marx remain verboten, but I’ve seen them paraphrased or plagiarised by lesser commentators (see Irving Fisher’s coy introduction to his theory of debt deflation) without disclosing original source — presumably he’s still taboo.
The 64 Trillion Dollar ARM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvEr4ByLjGs&feature=sub
Wave of Debt Payments Facing US Government
http://www.cnbc.com/id/34104722
Little Sign of Inflation on the Horizon: IMF
http://www.cnbc.com/id/34104464
u are woos i hope he checks tis site
@joanne
Janet Tavakoli – Special http://tinyurl.com/yz49m7v
the day they achive NWO wake me up ” Bunch of dim wits” Gordon Brown “u got testicular cancer mate”
@ PaulH – There appears to be no evidence that JFK “opposed the Fed” in any real way. See: http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/weberman/jfk.htm
@PaulH .. JFK
Yes , nearly all presidents that opposed the FED were murdered it seems !
@PaulH .. the movement s “is” Jon Perkins .
His book Confessions of an Economic Hitman is a must read.
He basically extends Griffin’s Jekyll Island into the current times , although he quit being an EHM in 1980.
Basically, the shows and provides the background on how the US Govt. is engaged in highly criminal actions wrt foreign relations . The IMF and WB are central players of course.
@ME Re: JFK
Came across this the other day…
“On June 4, 1963, a virtually unknown Presidential decree, Executive Order 11110, was signed with the authority to basically strip the Federal Reserve Bank of its power to loan money to the United States Federal Government at interest. With the stroke of a pen, President Kennedy declared that the privately owned Federal Reserve Bank would soon be out of business. The Christian Law Fellowship has exhaustively researched this matter through the Federal Register and Library of Congress. We can now safely conclude that this Executive Order has never been repealed, amended, or superceded by any subsequent Executive Order. In simple terms, it is still valid”.
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=7867
@Paulh
I can’t vote for him because he thinks global warming was an inside job. He takes removal of government to far for me.
For the conspiracy nuts, here is a new one I made up: MJ was killed because he could have swayed to many fans to become active against climate change.
Thanks ME.
I guess he’s up for the grassy knoll treatment if he ever gets near the steering wheel then.
Amazing, that little weasel is still considered to be somewhat of a hero by many in the US.
anyone see this story?
http://aidwatchers.com/2009/11/african-leaders-advise-bono-on-reform-of-u2/
African leaders advise Bono on reform of U2 – Bill Easterly
@s.herbert
just read you comments about the them and us thingy and and the ‘I’ve been out of US long enough to mostly free myself from that with us or against us infantilism’ that bit doesn’t make sense to me are you implying that the infantalism is something to do with living in america… or to do with the kind of experience that is only available if you travel…. because if so isn’t that just the same bullshit you are talking about???
er… a sincere question!!!
@Paulh
I think Ron Paul talks about that.
JANET IS AMAZING!!!! Keep on bringing us her commentary, please.
jme
@ME
re: you dodgy dutch xmas… that aint my point…and that’s easy to say!!!
@Phil
Great link.
“For more than a century after the founding of this country, states granted charters only to companies that proved they were serving the public interest and shut down any that reneged. That changed after an1886 Supreme Court decision that bestowed on corporations the rights granted to individuals–without the responsibilities required of individuals.”.
Is there any movement you’re aware of to change this back?
Now that’s change I could believe in!
@Supergeek
I like all races
Economic Meltdown — A Call for Systemic Change
by John Perkins
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16236
Hmmm
Real name: Jimmy Buffet,
Residence : Margaritaville
His next move?
http://tinyurl.com/yerorlq
@yow
TYPO: perps… fuck it…wednesday is get my glasses back day!!!
@youze
typo: perepetrating
@ Supergeek
Get Real or you will be ignored PMSL ROFL
Bulgarian Academy Scientists Reported to Be in Touch with Aliens
… The deputy head of the Bulgarian Space Research Institute has also told the Novinar Daily that the extraterrestrials were critical of the people’s amoral behavior referring to the humans’ interference in nature’s processes. …
http://novinite.com/view_news.php?id=110282
@ME
a racist dutch xmas to you and yours!!!
Hedge Funds Bet on My $76,000 With Growing Greed: William Pesek http://tinyurl.com/yc6qss7
@ Paul
Do ya know What Ghandhi told the UK
We can’t even produce a “Safety Pin” that’s how much you have destroyed us we have nothing too loose now
I guess the world has almost reached the same point in time. Half of my friends have a 25 or 30 year Mortgage
half used common sense to rent and live life
in 2007 a 1600 sq feet appartment was selling at 250,000 $ which is crazy
plus Commercial property was at 800$ for a 4×4=to the size of a pot where u crap and that was just land not built up area
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/23/devin-hester-pants-video_n_367145.html
I always knew the NFL was latently homosexual
@Y’all
if you think because you were in a higher class at school or went to a better college or university… or know something about gold, the NWO and you think that makes you ‘better’ than anyone else or gives you the right to see people as nothing but a herd of animals… I think everyday you get up and take a breath you have been taken in by a self fulfilling prophesy and you are perpatrating divisions yourself!!!
This indicates trouble for the GBP: http://ftalphaville.ft.com/blog/2009/11/23/84781/uk-housing-snaps-into-contango/?source=rss
Or would anyone dare to argue that the UK is in recovery?
@Supergeek
Wahahhahahhahaha!! As MJ would say: With the love brother, L.O.V.E. God Fears Your Sins
@ Youri
you wrote:
“NIA was in LA today producing our new documentary when we got word that 10 minutes away from us, violence broke out at UCLA where they are protesting 32% inflation in college tuition.
We immediately drove over there to get you first hand footage of the shocking riots. This is unbelievable. Visit our video page right away: http://inflation.us/videos.html”
When you use words like “we” and “our”…I’m thinking you’re party to NIA, in which case, the cast of characters I’m most familiar with is George (george4title of YT fame) and Ledbed (Jonathan Ledbed of YT infamy). Or you’re like their cameraman. Either way, it’s cool if you guys are posting on this message board.
@Bonn
…and I remember every year people would get all worked up over the opportunity to attend a conference where Buffett could hold court and muse about his homespun wisdom. Just a money making ploy. But the plebes wanted a hero. He’s just as cunning and guile as they come, but maybe that’s not so bad. It’s just what he is and it’s apparent now.
@Paul
What are you talking about and who are George and Ledbed?
@paul
like I said you lot are worse off than I thought…er the clue was in the’I thought’ bit… here in the uk that kinda stuff would be considered weak… but than we wouldn’t have the stars and stripes rammed in our face everywhere we go!!!
@ Paul
About Buffett…how sad in years past we regarded him as a sage, and now it’s ever so clear that he’s just like every other cutthroat salesman. He’s smarter to abstain from commenting.
So True Paul he was a wolf in Sheeps clothing
I use to think “Man that guy is smart” until 2008 mid i think
little did i know that that F$%&er was on the inside all the time . I just get disgusted . I hope we can resolve this ammicably in Just Courts.
But I guess its only gonna be wishfull thinkinking.
Cause only 5 % of the world has Internet access full time i guess.
So in all Likely hood they gonna get away with it.
@ME
like I said stick to your charts!!!
@Youri
Who are you? George? Ledbed?
Protesting Students Barricade Doors at UCLA http://www.nbclosangeles.com/news/local-beat/UCLA-Protest-Arrests-70404787.html
@Supergeek
Correction…that skit is ballsy for SNL. Though SNL has lampooned U.S. presidents of the past, I do not think it was as scathing as it was this past weekend. You have not only a criticism of the president, but an obvious slam on the U.S. as a country.
All that being said, the skit would not have been pulled off so well without Nasim Pedrad, a UCLA grad!
About Buffett…how sad in years past we regarded him as a sage, and now it’s ever so clear that he’s just like every other cutthroat salesman. He’s smarter to abstain from commenting.
NIA was in LA today producing our new documentary when we got word that 10 minutes away from us, violence broke out at UCLA where they are protesting 32% inflation in college tuition.
We immediately drove over there to get you first hand footage of the shocking riots. This is unbelievable. Visit our video page right away: http://inflation.us/videos.html
@Stacy
You must be a pro
@Supergeek
I admire your passion. Don’t waste it on me.
@ Supergeek
I have no clue what u talkin about half of the time.
No Clue sorry had to say that.
@ME
OH yeah… and if you ever try to imply like you tried to the other day, that people who don’t buy gold… don’t care about their kids or their kids security… again… you might find I’ll stop being so nice to ya!!!
@Stacy
That is cheating..
I second that Stacey how could u and who were u competing with ??
ROFL
“Owners of capital will stimulate the working class to buy more and more of expensive goods, houses and mechanical products, pushing then to take on more and more expensive credits, until their debt becomes unbearable. The unpaid debt will lead to bankruptcy of banks, which will have to be nationalised, and the state will have to take the road which will eventually lead to communism.”
Das Kapital
Even a Caveman Can Do the Math http://tinyurl.com/yknnvk6
@Paul
Boy… If you think tha snl sketch is ballsy you americans are worse off than I thought… maybe Stacy and Max need to do a real big push on the ‘RISE UP’ merchandise… tell you what if you want we can swap details and I’ll send you my Tee-Shirt for free Y’all
@Mother – I think I got away with it though
@Stacy
That is cheating..
Nobody talks about the man in the street. I guess we are all investors then..Nice situation..
i mean Bluffin Buffet with his insider trading n all
Whats the Xmas Day Gold Price Going to Be?
@ Phil ? kick it off
@ Stacey
Now i gonna have to go through this in detail
OFC i feel Warren also should be locked up and have gay sex with his subordinate Madoff so that they can name thier kids Ripoff Madoff and Bluffin buffet ROFL PMSL
@Paul – I’ve done the same thing . . . I think that’s worse though as I actually posted the item . . .
I can’t believe I succumbed to the “1st” phenomenon. I couldn’t help myself, but I loathed every moment. Anyhow, I’m still reeling over the Obama/Hu Jintao skit on SNL. Very ballsy.
1st…maybe?