Stacy Summary: Max and Stacy talk about $10 billion in small business loans evaporate; firing Timmy Geithner; and ‘sloppy’ Afghanistan aid fraud and Iraq reconstruction. Guests include Jane Hamsher of Firedoglake.com and Ullrich Fichtner of Der Spiegel.
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Fatties Rule … LOL !
Maybe they will now do Fat Swaps … or better still….
Good News for Fatties … Life Insurance could go down significantly if you agree to allow your fat to be sold on the black market.
Timmy now knows where all that money went …. they ate it !
The more I read about this the more convinced I am that I will not be alive in 4-5 yrs time… impossible. This crisis will kill us all!
@Phil
Dude, you practically stole my next Fatties comment
Impaired minds think alike etc…
No. The banks are working on complying with the new directives out of BIS:
http://www.bis.org/press/p090907.htm
http://www.euroweek.com/Article/2345468/73714/Central-bank-mandate-to-tinker-wont-fix-broken-capital-buffers.html
How can one lend when the agenda is an adherence to a set capital ratio defined as:
“Consequently, the G20 has agreed on the need for counter-cyclical capital buffers which will build up during the good times and run down in the bad, hopefully moderating this boom-bust effect.
Officially, policymakers have for the time being delegated devising the precise form of the capital buffers and the indicators used to calibrate them to the Basel Committee on Banking Supervision, but they have indicated their thinking in their public pronouncements.”
New capital ratio regulations for US banks set to be mandated January 01, 2010.
http://www.treas.gov/press/releases/docs/capital-statement_090309.pdf
FYI for thos that may be invested in CEF
I contacted the Central fund of Canada about the tungsten counterfeit bar story and i got this answer:
We want you to be an informed investor. That means that before you buy shares of Central Fund, you should at least know what you are investing in. If you have read some of our prospectus and our financials statements, you should understand that we do not hold coins and that we actually have all of the gold and silver that we say we have in 400 and 1,000 ounce bars. Our documents state this.
The story about the counterfeit tungsten bars is just that – a story. There may or may not be any truth to it. It may not contain any facts. And, it has nothing to do whatsoever with Central Fund.
Central Fund obtains all of its gold and silver bullion from Canadian refiners – only in Canada – and they are not the ones in question.
All of Central Fund’s gold bars have been delivered to the custodian directly from Canadian based refiners who
are certified to produce London Good Delivery Bars by The London Bullion Market Association.
The gold and silver bullion is always held on an unencumbered, allocated and segregated basis. It is also subjected to physical inspection
on at least an semi-annual basis by Ernst & Young LLP and Central Fund representatives in the presence of bank officials.
@marietta – thanks for sharing that info!
Cut Wall Street Out! How States Can Finance Their Own Economic Recovery
Pouring money into the private banking system has only fixed the economy for bankers and the wealthy; it has not done much to address either the fundamental problem of unemployment or the debt trap so many Americans find themselves in.
President Obama’s $787 billion stimulus plan has so far failed to halt the growth of unemployment: 2.7 million jobs have been lost since the stimulus plan began. California has lost 336,400 jobs. Arizona has lost 77,300. Michigan has lost 137,300. A total of 49 states and the District of Columbia have all reported net job losses.
In this dark firmament, however, one bright star shines. The sole state to actually gain jobs is an unlikely candidate for the distinction: North Dakota. North Dakota is also one of only two states expected to meet their budgets in 2010. (The other is Montana.) North Dakota is a sparsely populated state of less than 700,000 people, largely located in cold and isolated farming communities. Yet, since 2000, the state’s GNP has grown 56 percent, personal income has grown 43 percent and wages have grown 34 percent. The state not only has no funding problems, but this year it has a budget surplus of $1.3 billion, the largest it has ever had.
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http://www.truthout.org/1031091
The sheeple prayin’ to lard allmighty : ‘O lardy lard, clog my veins and arteries, addict me to thy hollowness. Make me win this day my poker games, distract me from evil and pound my soul into submission to thy glory. Oh lard, fill my daily bong with weed as I fill others bongs with weed and forgive me for making my daughter a ho and my son a gangsta. Let health nor happyness tempt me, for in thy comfort I wallow..amen.
Gordon Brown pledges to update monarchy
http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/142506/Gordon-Brown-pledges-to-update-monarchy
The reason i am posting this is that there was an internet rumour a month or so ago…that there are problems with the UK monarchy. I did not believe it at that time…
1 m USD per deployed solder in Afghanistan is probably quite modest considering some Americans “Lifetime Cost to Government” …
http://cbc.am/Total-cost-to-goverment.ods
http://cbc.am/Total-cost-to-goverment.xls
That said, do most Americans now fit in the category of being able to pay off lifetime government costs +1 USD?
I don’t think so, and this should not be of surprise to anyone.
That is why the USD will be kaput in less than 5 years, but maybe as little as 2.
@MotherEarth:
What is wrong with smoking pot?
@doomandgloom .. Monarchy
…He is determined to scrap the ban on heirs to the Crown marrying Roman Catholics and the lack of equal rights for women.
Critics accused the Prime Minister of trying to divert attention from his Government’s dire popularity.
Mr Brown attacked the Act of Settlement – the 1701 statute governing royal succession – during Prime Minister’s Questions yesterday.
He told MPs: “The Act of Settlement is outdated, and I think most people recognise the need for change.”
However, royal officials insisted the Palace was not involved in Mr Brown’s plans, saying they were “a British Government initiative”.
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Sounds like a diversion to me.
OTOH, I thought they’d already allowed the Monarchy to marry Catholics ?
Dread the thought of the Catholic Church reclaiming the lands it was robbed of during Henry VIII’s reign.
The Church already owns 1/3rd. of all German land…. thanks mainly to Hitler for introducing the Church Tax… which Germans still have to pay today – or quit their Church membership ( as many are doing and have done already ).
Church Tax is 11% on top of your income tax.
e.g. if your income tax is 20,000, then you add another 2,200 for the Church.
@ Mother Earth
did you mean Lloyd Allmighty?
Amazon Censorship ? – The Secret of Oz
Important films should not be censored by Amazon!, November 20, 2009
By Ivan R. Martin “Ivan M.” (New York City, USA)
…It is regrettable that a movie which examines this issue with such detail and clarity is being blocked from further sale by Amazon.com. They cite “performance issues” as the justification, but the seller has ample proof that he far exceeds the performance standards. This smacks to me of thinly veiled censorship….
http://www.amazon.com/Secret-Oz-James-Robertson-UK/dp/B002WLS890/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1259195300&sr=1-1
@Snoot
Are you overweight?
@stacy
your welcome!
really enjoyed truth about comments
@Max+Stacey
Amazing episode ! Great job
“Are you overweight?”
That depends on what you term over-weight. Stella is a might hefty. Cleetus is downright obtruse. Pa is packing a six-too-much overhang on his belt buckle. Ma is perty but runs to celluloid.
But they say “howdy” and gots some fried turkey awash in gravy and chittlins. They saved you the gizzard.
@snoot
A gathered as much..
@MotherEarth:
Stella said you got enough stuffing. She ain’t abothered about the slight of Eur-O-peeun hand in yur esteemation of her person. She said if’n yur nose wasn’t so long and yur ears so tight to yur head you might’a notice that a person aint’ built from the outside’in but from the inside’out. She reckons that those that throw stones atter person oughta wonder whether they’s tight to the inside or not.
Anyhoots, seein’ it’s the Thankee day she’z a sayin, “Thankee I ain’t a rigeemortied male fundeemental prateepus. Nowz time fur that dandeelion wine!”
If Sarah Palin was president we would already be colonizing mars
Looming behind the 17 million jobless tsunami hitting the country is another disaster: over $180 billion in accumulated budget deficits set to devastate state governments, according to a new study by the Pew Center for the States.
The Economic Policy Institute (EPI) says in addition, city and town governments are expected to have deficits of $100 billion over the next two years.
This threatens a calamity like the one playing out in California. Many states face horrendous cuts to education, health care, mass transit and other human service programs, skyrocketing taxes and fees that will severely slow any economic recovery …
http://blog.heidi-barathieu-brun.ch/
Holy Cow! The gangs in Peru have transitioned to a whole new meaning of “whale hunting”. So … from one mammal to another, soon blood drives will be competing with fat drives.
Niko, nothing you posted holds up as an honest attempt to understand or address anything I said so I’m not going to engage in an argument with someone in denial. Goes nowhere.
Speaking of denial, perhaps if Christians could accept the theory of evolution, the fact that we are animals, and the fact that we actually die, as in die die, not go to fantasy land die, then we’d be on a more even footing with psycho billionaires who have no problem accepting those realities.
But then Christians have a hard time understanding that empathy forms a basis for morality. That I don’t need to be threatened with eternal suffering or enticed with eternal happiness in order to consider the consequences my actions will have on others. And they’ve fallen into the wonderful habit of referring to themselves as believers and thus it follows, to those with different beliefs as having no beliefs whatsoever and therefor being non-persons. Does pushing Atheists aside as non-persons in pre-emptive defense of beliefs unsupportable by reason sound like part of the solution?
I mention Christianity because the “leaders” of this non-movement seem to be bound by Christianity’s paradigms if not it’s practices. This might help explain why their solutions all entail profits for them. They see themselves as above and separate from the problems, and wish for a world in which their particular strengths are unusually well rewarded. It reminds me of the MIT professor who proposed innovism.
Admittedly I wasn’t prepared for Max saying he gave Obama the benefit of the doubt or to find that Catherine Austin Fitts doesn’t believe in Evolution, or that Alex Jones who cooked up an absolutely absurd, rude, false and un-fact checked piece about the death of “Dark Alliance” author Gary Webb would end up in the mix of “leaders”. That’s a sure way to delegitimize good information. Put Alex Jones’ name on it.
The religion born out of Rome’s uninspired fatalism isn’t going bring anything to the table that banksters aren’t prepared for. And nothing I post here is going to get through anyone’s denial.
That’s the enemy. Not fiat currency. Denial.
One of the best shows with you two I’ve seen! And I watch them all! Congrats!
@Daniel S
Are you the enemy, Daniel ?..oh, denial, sorry ’bout that, am a bit dyslectic…
But I completely agree. A functioning society has teachers that help others survive. The current business model does the complete opposite. It’s a is a bit like dolphins hunting tune: Everybody helps confuse the prey, then each takes turn in the killing process. Consumers are tuna hunted to extinction.
It’s funny how religious people behave exactly the same as atheist when it is about survival. If not the religious person usually acts more suicidal. In all cases you can qualify religion as mental selfincarceration habit conditioned by imagined threaths and rewards.
@ Mother
Nice pray. Excellant sarcasm. Cheered me up no end.
And to those idiots drinking their silver solutions, I found this interesting and infomative article for you. Full of words like science and has “Dr” this and “MD” that, so must be true. Drink up now.
http://www.all-natural.com/urine.html
@ME
surface bitch…. wow and I thought you had done quite well by not making any sad bitchy comments about stacy or her hair after this weeks keiser report though you did call the show mainstream???… but now you are going on about weight again… damn… it’s all about them figures and charts and pointless online arguments with you!!!
Banks versus Boston poorer district
5 for 5: City Life/Vida Urbana
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NxY4P0xbr_w&feature=sub
Should watch .. good protest !
@justge tit right
yeah I was saying last night on all sides lots of believers who believe in believing!!!
USD=LSD
Its all a hallucination.
DJIA Futures down big and growign : -169
( was only -94 on the European open )
http://www.bloomberg.com/markets/stocks/futures.html
Gold Krugerrands Run Out By Patrick A. Heller
November 23, 2009
http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/Article.jsp?ad=article&ArticleId=8590
FWIW
RED everywhere …
http://de.finance.yahoo.com/m2.php
@Supergeek
Mainstream because it contained a general discussion of the Iran situation, not specifically financial. If I show you a chart will you believe it? Nooooooo… (ping! Indoctrination ccompleted)
Cenk says someting very clearly which is simple reality these days, the world is half filled with cheeply following shills..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27QTX46XNLM
http://www.financialarmageddon.com/
Keynesian Kool-Aid…
makes you shake your head. whats the damn point of getting up in the morning and trying to work? when those on the top are going to suck the profits and leave you with nothing?
daniel S–
I too, am always shocked to find that seemingly honest brokers and rational people hold and openly proclaim highly irrational beliefs.
Denninger “It’s in the math” comes to mind. Katherine Austin and her “prey with me” moments too…
But we had Nancy Reagan and her Astrologist and Bill Clinton and his self-deluded innocence… so it isn’t all crosses and stairways to heaven and alter boys with their pants pulled round their ankles recieving a mass…
Can one call it denial or is it more accurately coined “delusion”?
Supergeek– Yes, believing in something does not make it true or not true. The arrogance of humans is galling, while the truth remains stubbornly true.
flu news concerning the pneumonia on CNN
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/11/26/h1n1.bacterial.pnuemonia/index.html
@Scott
“A human being is a part of a whole, called by us _universe_, a part limited in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as something separated from the rest… a kind of optical delusion of his consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty.” -Einstein
@scott “Keynesian Kool-Aid
Keynes was smarter than his followers–he knew u had to run a surplus when you weren’t deficit spending
Mother Earth, one of my problems with religions that promise heaven or hell is how they encourage people to consider their own personal scorecards rather than results. It reduces their real lives to practice runs or qualifiers for the later promised imaginary life. It’s as if they believe they’re living in a movie, continually suspending belief in reality. As long as they pretend and “try” God will give them a ticket and things will be grand for them when they get to fantasy land. In the mean time they support their enemies who control the biggest sticks, and enjoy the best carrots here in real world with the only life they’ll actually live.
In the end I’ve come to believe that prolonged searches for the truths of our existence, meaning, purpose, boil down to denial of the truths we discover but dislike. I mean, if Buddhists can call death the great teacher and spend countless hours pondering it only to try to sneak out of it via the denial that is reincarnation, then obviously humans have a hard time accepting the truth.
On the one hand the banksters are called liars and they are. But they are more honest with themselves than their victims. And since their victims support them in so many ways, in action, their victims are dishonest. It is dishonest when a Christian shops at a big box store. But I shouldn’t literalize their fantasy. It is only to be taken literally when it suits them. God isn’t watching when they routinely finance sweat shops via their shopping, investing, banking, and pressuring others to value the superficial.
@ Mother & Super,…….take a chill pill !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOA-2hl1Vbc&feature=related
Or is that Shill pill,..: )
MAX,
Your German guest put me to sleep.
Even before I ate my turkey!!
Tim Ball on the ramifications of the global warming emails:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SDBiXVqBGsc
Chinese repression a brake on US recovery
http://blog.heidi-barathieu-brun.ch/wp-archive/2676
While China has kept any Tiananmen Square-sized demonstrations from breaking out, it has continued to suppress independent unionism with firings and arrests. Moreover, it has used its-U.S. assisted technological prowess to convert China into the society with the heaviest surveillance via closed-circuit video cameras and Internet monitoring designed to quash dissent
@Motehr … I have to admit , I like her body .. but that’s it !
@Mother Earth
here is a site with lots of global warming info, Brett Anderson is the blogs writer.
http://global-warming.accuweather.com/
@marietta
Tim Ball attack peer review science. He view it as a 20 year conspiracy. But what would he say if I on my own declared mmgw real? He would say ‘Your data is not verified’. That is what peer review guarantees.
The battle against the climate change deniers will not be lost, but the victors may have little spoils to celebrate.
@phil
She is a force for good in the world
marietta, if the gold is seized by the government, it won’t matter whether or not it was actually in that underground CIBC vault in Calgary. Also, unless your brokerage essentially lends you money ahead of trades clearing, it will take three days at a minimum to liquidate that position or any portion of it. Combine that with possible bank holidays or limits on withdrawal amounts, and you can see how the gold and silver aren’t entirely yours when they’re held via an ETF.
Then there is the fact that Ernst & Young LLP settled ahh I forget the scam, it’s google’able. Then again Catherine Austin Fitts referred to ratings given by the same fraudsters who gave great ratings to mortgage derivatives without even looking at the tapes, in her recent reassuring summary about Canadian banks. so… I’m too tired to do the whole rationalization thing with that.
In my opinion there is no secure way to hold bullion because the world is too unstable and criminal. The holders of bullion are too few and within societies that are too ill.
classic, fright-wig selloff underway in Gold and Markets just as all retail American markets close and foolish speculators and traders think they will be granted one day of peace away from the Keno Monster.
Think again. anyone long is going to wakeup to the Trinity blast ground zero on Friday.
Now that gamblers from around the World are gaming the Keno table 24/7, there is no rest, no peace, no security at anytime. If Jesus came down from Heaven, traders would take on huge positions while he was sermonizing in anticipation of the outcome.
Woody Allen (Alvy Singer) as a 9year old kid in Annie Hall, who discovered thermodynamic entropy:
Doctor in Brooklyn: Why are you depressed, Alvy?
[Young Alvy sits, his head down - his mother answers for him]
Alvy’s Mom: Tell Dr. Flicker . . . It’s something he read.
Doc: Something he read, huh?
Alvy: [his head still down] The universe is expanding.
Doctor in Brooklyn: The universe is expanding?
Alvy: Well, the universe is everything, and if it’s expanding, someday it will break apart and that would be the end of everything!
Alvy’s Mom: What is that your business? [she turns back to the doctor] He stopped doing his homework!
Alvy: What’s the point?
Ireland – Catholic Church in Ireland given immunity for child sexual abuse cover-up, report says
The Catholic Church in Ireland was granted immunity to cover up child sex abuse among paedophile priests in Dublin, a damning report has revealed.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/religion/6662086/Catholic-Church-in-Ireland-given-immunity-for-child-sexual-abuse-cover-up-report-says.html
You Bet Your Life – Dubai and Derivative Explosion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1VGTddLPq8g&feature=sub
W.E. Pollock … comments on Dubai failing on it’s Sovereign Debt.
@ France’s Snoot
What is wrong with smoking pot?
it makes you a mono-tasker and therefore inhibits your productivity.
(o:>*
http://www.worldsnowboardguide.com/news/story/20091105Breckenridge.cfm
Townsfolk in Breckenridge, Colorado have just overwhelmingly voted in favour of decriminalising possession of marijuana from Jan 1st.
If anything, the guy from Der Spiegel is too kind. Both these wars are unmitigated disasters and we are now in the pride zone or Kissinger Zone of the Living Dead. The war leaders and architects do not want to admit utter failure and so the country will play in this graveyard indefinitely until the money runs out and the little boys with their guns and uniforms have to go home.
I am sick of all the respect accorded these sadists and violence-mongers. Their way of life has got to be challenged at some point but this is naive since it is in fact far too late for any of that. The 60s saw the last vestiges of genuine disgust with the robo-killers that siphoned off trillions in tax dollars to go murder and screw and maim Vietnamese. Then they returned and we have been forced to ingest dozens of movies and sound bites about how difficult it was for these killers and buffoons. An Empire always will defend the honor and might of its military. This is the last and most sacred cow.
The kids in the military today are not drafted. They are stooges and idiots who beleived all the advertisements on Monday Nite Football about ‘Army of One’ and other horse manure. They elected to fight in a mercenary army for oil and gas corporations. And yet ‘progressives’ out of fear and their need to be popular are the very first to defend these dolts and uneducated yahoos. Disgusting. The culture of violence in Amerika is now so inbred, there is no turning back. Only a coming implosion.
Daniel S.
I have physical metal also.
But i also have a husband that doesn’t believe any of this is going to happen.
So we compromise. We buy some physical, we buy some CEF.
We buy some commodities, utilities, foreign bonds, and still have some in the stock market. It’s called diversification.
@Phil Ireland – Catholic Church in Ireland given immunity for child sexual abuse cover-up, report says
I always wonder why these stories hit MSM. There has always been an element of sexual deviancy in these brotherhoods,.it’s well known in the rite circles.
I’m always suspicious when the masses are made “aware” of something.
I know a lot of it, is to bring the topic into conscious awareness,..you know,.get folk talking about it (normalization),..I just like to try and get a big picture perspective,..what says you?
@marietta,..Don’t forget your hot dogs ! ; )
@Dedo ..Church etc.
I agree that the press are happy to get their hands on anything that is “sensational” … but I personally feel a deep disgust for the Church and similar “dogma” groups.
What amazes me is the number of people that still “worship” in the Church in this day and age especially.
OTOH, after watching Mother’s Palin video, I suppose it’s no surprise.
@max an stacy. wow morning coffee and lunch with you guys. back to the rink to bust some heads. can’t forget to roll a dube.
@dedo
That’s right! cant forget the hot dogs!
I also like my hot dogs in the form of balony. Fools you into thinking you are eating something different than hotdogs
@Phil,…regarding “dogmatic” organizational movements,..I’d say some have paved the way for sound structure in society, especially compared to the present.
Most folk need leaders, so I wouldn’t knock it, if it works.
The same old adage applies though, “power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely”.
There are many systems for society, but it seems the established ones have a firm grip!
Gold and the US$
Compliments of oleblue@IV
Dr. Martin Murenbeeld
CNBC interview:
http://www.murenbeeld.com/Downloads/Murenbeeld-CNBC.wmv
October economic report:
http://www.murenbeeld.com/Downloads/0910-EconomicMonitor.pdf
Deek Jackson – DOOM BABY DOOM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-ZNG-tY7_Q&feature=sub
BTW: why is the gold a bit lower?
What about the Dubai effects on the markets?
@Harry … BTW: why is the gold a bit lower?
Gold is currently 1191$.
http://www.finviz.com/forex.ashx
Dubai woes roil financial markets
Stocks fall and government bonds rise on flight to quality
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/dubai-woes-roil-financial-markets-2009-11-26
@Y’all
Grass… or Pot… do people still call it that???
Eric Burdon – Spill The Wine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3i0DMbCKnAg
@Harry .. Gold
Per Kilo ..
23,250 GBP
25,500 EUR
38,300 US$
http://www.bullionvault.com/Buy_Gold.do?considerationCurrency=USD
Nice 1 minute chart :
http://www.finanslinker.net/dukascopy/gold.html
@Harry .. just a few more Gold prices …
Per Kilo ..
23,250 GBP
25,500 EUR
38,300 US$
http://tinyurl.com/ychsge4
Nice 1 minute chart :
http://tinyurl.com/ybw2f7o
Gold is three banana’s up in Mango Grove after the split the coconut shares.
@Phil
Putting up some good links today! Im liking!
Here is one:
An Especially Bullish Gold Prediction: $8,000 http://bit.ly/5cCA2B
@Joe … 1:1 … 8000$ …. DJIA:Gold$ .. probably !
@Joe .. I think 1200$ tomorrow morning !
Comex Options Expiry is also tomorrow IIRC.
Off to eat a couple of slabs of turkey and get into some political arguments w/ the in-laws. Can’t wait to hear the show . . . Jane Hamsher rocks.
The Dollar Bubble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZA0qNsf4m0&feature=player_embedded&ref=patrick.net
30 minute Video .. with the usual actors.
A Chinese guy – Mike Kim – says ( @ 13:02 ) … the “Cash for Clunkers” idea originated in China because the Chinese wanted the scrap metal rather than US$s .
Wow .. that is some admission – if true of course !
… and it could be true I suppose !?!
@Phil
Dubai sovereign debt
I saw this in the comments section. Something big is up if true!
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Here in the UK ,Barclays bank is running scared and the lights are on every floor of their building and a fleet of limos are outside.Looks like trouble!
@Sam53 .. Barclays & Dubai
Oh … that’s a surprise !
12:19 PM Banks with greatest exposure to the UAE:
HSBC (HBC), $17B.
Standard Chartered, $7.8B.
Barclays (BCS), $3.6B.
Royal Bank of Scotland (RBS), $2.2B.
Citigroup (C), $1.9B.
BNP Paribas, $1.7B.
Lloyds (LYG), $1.6B.
http://www.thelion.com/bin/forum.cgi?tf=wall_street_pit&msg=1827377&cmd=r&t=
I mean… what’s a few Billion $s these days !
By the way . . . how many people here are doing that Thanksgiving thing?
@Sam53 & @Phil – great info re: Dubai / Barclays thanks!
Re: The church in Ireland, the reason it’s making the news is that hundreds if not thousands of courageous people have come forward and gone through considerable bother to bring these people to light and in some cases justice, if anything its some good news coming out of this spectic isle.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3J2-e6F_JWE check out the bit 19mins in.
for spectic read septic
@Y’all
And as they finished their turkey you could hear them sang… DA DUN DA DUN…DUN DUN DUN… woke up this with the gold bullion Blues!!!
PS@The Dollar Bubble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZA0qNsf4m0&feature=player_embedded&ref=patrick.net
Another interesting point ca. @19:00 mins. , is that they talked about the FED maybe having to raise interest rates to 21.5% eventually. This is exactly what happened in the UK ca. 1971 , after the UK pound was hit.
FWIW
@Mother Earth – except, we didn’t talk about the Iran situation, we talked about Afghanistan and a bit about Iraq; and war has everything to do with the financial situation of a collapsing empire; it always does
@Stacy … and war has everything to do with the financial situation of a collapsing empire; it always does
May I also underline that !
@Phil – yes you may! I specifically wanted to do an episode dealing with the war because other than Bill Maher, nobody has . . . but I also wanted to get that info about the transfer of reconstruction funds back to US via one of the biggest hawallah outfits in Dubai . . . would have done it in a documentary for aljaz or the like, but too busy with our weekly shows at moment . . . anyway, it’s just as bad for a few well connected ‘contractors’ to use DoD connections to defaud as a few insider bankers using Fed & Treasury connections to defraud taxpayers . . . but oddly almost zero outrage . . . probably has something to do with ‘support our troops’ . . . even if they are blackwater
LOL .. London Stock Exchange trading hit by technical glitch
The LSE says it was experiencing connectivity issues
Trading on the London Stock Exchange (LSE) was halted for three and a half hours earlier because of technical difficulties.
The LSE said it had been affected by connectivity issues, and at 1033 GMT had placed all orders for shares into an “auction call period”.
This allowed traders to put orders to buy or sell shares into the system, ready for when trading restarted.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8380607.stm
Good spin … always blame the computers !
Iraq and Afghanistan cannot be looked at singularly.
Iran boders with Iraq on its west side and Afghanistan on its east side.
They tell us that the troops are being sent to Afghanistan but they will surely be used in Iran.
Why are there so many tanks in Afghanistan?
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6927713.ece
Tanks are no good in mountain terrain.
From the border going into Iran it’s nice and flat though…
Today’s news about Dubai made me think about the prediction you made about the next wave of the financial crisis coming from the middle east…
Great to see you guys in action.
Respect.
@Y’all
I really liked ullrich… some guests add a real good chemistry… a bit calmer than usual…maybe watching your show at 8.30 am can be a little bit heavy on the nerves!!!
Here is the link… should work now.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/Afghanistan/article6927713.ece
@Stacy
You are right, I mistyped. It would be cool if you actually traced one of these outfits down, like the joke that they sell ($60,000) bomb detectors to the iraqi police that really don’t work (a kind of bomb e-meters http://tinyurl.com/yawbfh6 ). But maybe I think to easy about that investigative process.
I give thanks to you two and the rest of the comment crew, the person that bought a copy of my PMF project and to my lovely sister that gave me a bottle of fine Barolo
And I will get an golden 10 guilder coin ( http://tinyurl.com/y8l3uwt ) , a perfect gift for these times and also worthy of a thank you..
@Phil
Here you see how IT can be usefull..
@me
DEEP!!
Last link about tanks, I promise.
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5gzKRHUnrRTGe9rLTRcr_bTXgBW4w
Max!!
Jamie Dimon should be the Ace of Diamonds!!
Has a better ring to it.
Oh.. Forget it.
Nice show and keep up the good work.
More on Dubai …
Dubai default risks ‘perfect storm’
…Dubai World’s more than 70 creditors face the prospect of writedowns on as much as $US60 billion of debt if they haven’t unloaded their holdings and the state-owned company fails to win additional support from Abu Dhabi.
The biggest creditors are Abu Dhabi Commercial Bank and Emirate NBD PJSC. Other lenders include Credit Suisse Group AG, HSBC Holdings Plc, Barclays, Lloyds Banking Group Plc and Royal Bank of Scotland Group Plc, according to a person familiar with the situation. Barclays slumped as much as 6.9 per cent, the biggest intraday loss in a month, while RBS sank as much as 8.3 per cent. Lloyds and Credit Suisse dropped more than 3 per cent.
“Our exposure is immaterial,” said Credit Suisse spokesman Marc Dosch. HSBC, Lloyds and RBS declined to comment when contacted by Bloomberg. Spokespeople at Barclays were not immediately available to comment.
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http://www.smh.com.au/business/world-business/dubai-default-risks-perfect-storm-20091127-jv04.html
Interesting quote from a trading board …
…The market cap of all the gold stocks in the world is less than that of Microsoft or Walmart…
@Phil
As predicted by Jim willie but about three moths late..
Worth a look …
The Smart Money Is In The Precious Metals Market, But a Local Top Is Close
http://news.goldseek.com/GoldSeek/1259161200.php
The T/A is of course assuming there are no major events ( geopolitical, financial etc. ) short term.
http://www.fredoneverything.net/FOE_Frame_Column.htm
Fred gets it.
Some good news http://www.telegraph.co.uk/games/6654212/Gordon-Ramsay-faces-taxman-in-court.html teeheehee
Nice to see Stacy back on the scene. Still have to get used to this new way of from the side- profile filming. You see this also on the Daily Show with Jon Stewart. Luckely Stacy has a nice profile.
Wauw! Look at Gold bouncing up and down like crazy! Seems that somebody is trying to surpress it or lose a lote of money! The scamsters lose this time like predicted ahaaaaaaaaaa!
Live Gold Price (JAVA) http://www.goldprice.org/live-gold-price.html
Gold Is Quality, Stability, And Safety http://tinyurl.com/yllms2t
Well, I guess I was wrong about this site. I thought there were two agendas being pushed: gold sales and climate change. Anti-American diatribes seems to be the third pillar.
Imean. People in America have a dinner with their famiies and go shopping and it is sprayed as a terminal illness. No, all Americans aren’t fat. All Americans don’t stampede each other down for ipods. All Americans aren’t….blahblah…talk about chittychatty Gossip Lady lunch shit.
And all the links I’ve put up to show the coalition of force behind the present wars are ignored in a spat of ill-humour towards one country. Guess what? IT’S EUROPE AND AMERICA THAT’S TO WAR WITH THE COMPLICITY OF CHINA.
Today being Thanksgiving, I had turkey supper with my family. Dropping off a family member,we noticed a friend passing. The person was a European working here on a degree. There was no place serving food in the vicinity, and she asked where she could get food. Well, we had food! We had stuffing, turkey, gravy, mashed potatoes, rolls, cranberry sauce, and sweet potatoes. Her face lit up as we dished it all on a paper plate and handed her a GingerAle.
And THAT’S THANKSGIVING. Sharing with people, loving your family, being grateful.
It speaks badly of a person when they only focus on the faults of a nation or a people or a person and forget the good. It reeks of something: what…cowards do that a way.
It’s a way of hating. I think we all have enough to do on our own faults without discussing other people’s adipose or dietary choices. AIN’T NOBODY BETTER THAN ANYBODY ELSE BECAUSE OF BODY SIZE OR SKIN COLOR OR IDEOLOGICAL CREED.
And, no, Mother Earth. I’m not fat. In fact, I quite fit. And my brown eyes turn green when I read all this nonsence.
Like reading things middle-school students write.
Here’s a film called ‘The Pursuit of Profit’ from 1965. I’d love to hear Max’s comment about it:
http://www.archive.org/details/PursuitOfPro
Big fan of Max & Stacy –
Dubai woes roil financial markets – special http://tinyurl.com/ydeeabt
@snoot
Good for you
It is sadly typical of an unsopportive society that any critisism runs the risk of being seen as rejection. I have no opinion of people based on their body size. I just worry about their health long term. Happy thanksgiving..
@Frances,……WOW!,….who got out the wrong side of the pit this mornin’,…huh?
I’m guessing you’re no better or worse than the other critics on this site after that charade ; )
I would wish you a happy thanksgiving,..but I do that everyday of my life,..Don’t need some authority to “TELL ME”,..
Dedo:
Goodness, Dedo. If I tried to tell you anything I’d make sure I had a pretty large hotdog to back me up.
@frances snoot
Good move Snoot, giv’n food to the European. Had refugees in my house and a Russian Ukranien artist for quite some while. Feld very connected to him we talked for hours from our beds till we fell asleep….was a great time.
Americans are great people but with the wrong government like in many other countries like Roemenia, Ukraine and the list can go on and on and on…..
Think there is somtin else happening with this obesity….maybe also what Stacy said with the nutrecian but I think there is a lot of bad stuff in the food or maybe also because of the crazy vaccin policy? 20 injections before 2 years old? Of cause that’s making your sick. Should be investigated cause I don’t believe it’s only because people eat much there must be somtin else there.
Whats the Gold and Silver price Flatlining for?
Are the banks saying ” We aren’t playing anymore”???
@Frances, be careful backing up on those ‘hotdogs’
I personally don’t think its just about climate & gold, its the realisation that the people in power in most countries are evil bastards, that lie lie lie.
Happy Thanksgiving from down here:)
All of you who think that there’s fascism in America, please don’t exagerate! Yes, many states are doing outrageaous things, but Western democracies are still far away from fascism.
I just watched documentaries about the Velvet Revolution and there was news on czechoslovak communist television from 1989. It was absolutely surreal, I couldn’t believe that we used to live in such a system.
So, even though mainstream media today pursue the interests of their owners and the journalists don’t know s*** about economics still people know a lot about what’s really going on the world. We’re moving towards fascism, but we’re still far away from it. Next time you talk about fascism, learn some history, so you’ll know what you’re really talking about, and don’t make exagerated comparisons.
something is really a miss here as we speak KITCO has been straight across for over an hour. there having site problems or something big is happening. ALERT
@OP:
Unfortunately, it seems hotdogs feature greatly “on the edge” of reason.
Thanks. I didn’t mean to go off on everybody, I’m afraid Mother Earth ‘got my goat’ again. He seemed pretty delighted about the reaction.
Society isn’t supposed to function like support hose for weak people. Had my say, and so that’s okay. Just hard going bankrupt with a country while the world jeers, and people say it’s a great thing.
What agrevaites the shit out of me is WHEN WILL SILVER MAKE SOME REAL GAINS?!?!? Is the silver price completely manipulated or what? Does, the current price (low in [mhop]) make silver more attractive for a future break out?
@ don please don’t wish for silver to go up yet. i’m still buying. relax, it gonna be large.
@Mini US .. flatlining
just the hours inbetween Xchanges opening & closing
@ron
I see, is that due to thanksgiving?
@Don … Silver .. have that as well.
Yes a surprise jump wouldn’t surprise me .. 25$ minimum IMO. Should be trading at ca. 45+$ in normal times IMO.
But look at Zinc, even worse !
oh the good old hockey game, it’s the best game you can name. check out stompin tom.
@Phil
Thanks,
Just got up here in antipodes and forgot about thanksgiving.
@Frances
man I wish i had a turkey dinner. My wife and I did nothing for Thanky Turkey Day. In Belize turkeys cost $100USD (Which is like what, .50C in Euros?) Anyway, I agree, with your satire of being satirical, or focusing on the worst traits of a nation or person. It shows a sign of spiritual weekness and possibly sickness, of a person lacking in, though wanting desperately to control others. or, feeding themselves with their arrogant bullshit. America’s diversity was not it’s weekness, on the contrary, diversity is a strength, that allowed for many ideas to come down through the ages and merge.
It is easy to be judgmental of ignorant people, Yet, how is it fare, or wise to judge someone who has no clue as to what it must be like on the other side of life, in the seat of knowledge.
Like thinking someone less than, because they have never say, been to spring break in Cancun. I am ranting now. adios
Euro markets down over 3% though.
Sorry Ron, thanks Phil.
I was just wondering if anyone else was feeling my pain. I did not have the funds to go all out with gold when I started my late buying last October 2008.
@all – Happy National Day of Mourning
http://www.uaine.org/
In 1970, United American Indians of New England declared US Thanksgiving Day a National Day of Mourning. This came about as a result of the suppression of the truth. Wamsutta, an Aquinnah Wampanoag man, had been asked to speak at a fancy Commonwealth of Massachusetts banquet celebrating the 350th anniversary of the landing of the Pilgrims. He agreed. The organizers of the dinner, using as a pretext the need to prepare a press release, asked for a copy of the speech he planned to deliver. He agreed. Within days Wamsutta was told by a representative of the Department of Commerce and Development that he would not be allowed to give the speech. The reason given was due to the fact that, “…the theme of the anniversary celebration is brotherhood and anything inflammatory would have been out of place.” What they were really saying was that in this society, the truth is out of place.
Americans are great people but with the wrong government like in many other countries like Roemenia, Ukraine and the list can go on and on and on…..
Thanks, Youri. If you were here I’d give you a piece of my homemade chocolate cream pie! If you haven’t had pumpkin pie, then don’t bother. I like it but it’s an acquired taste.
Hooray ..
Blair knew Iraq had no WMD before war, inquiry hears
… British Prime Minister Tony Blair was told ten days before the invasion of Iraq that Saddam Hussein’s weapons of mass destruction programs likely remained “dismantled,” but the prime minister continued to insist that Iraq was producing chemical and biological weapons, a British inquiry heard Wednesday …
http://rawstory.com/2009/11/blair-knew-iraq-wmd-war/
No EU-Presidency = No immunity !
Maybe they’ll let Polanski finish his film now !
( out on 3 Mio Euro bail )
@Y’all
the right to bear arms what a fucking joke!!!
@Don:
Turkeys are still cheap in the US, but wait until next year! I wish you a Happy Thanksgiving: to your family too!!!
@All,..
Most cultures are intrigued with the differences inherent in one another, until there is a learned conflict,
e.g. Nazism, Communism, Capitalism, or any other edification of being.
All the “isms”, are learned behavior.
Most folk who settle in a routine, find it hard to change, once the habit has been ingrained, hence the conflict
when cultures are forced upon one another.
Humans are born with a natural curiosity, which is purposely suppressed and manipulated when attending state schooling.
I remember finishing off my last one and a half years schooling in England, (moving from Germany),
and the kids called us Nazis.(my point being, the behavior is taught)
So,.when you find yourself espousing opinion,..try and remember whence it originated! : )
BTW,.anyone wanna buy any of my juicy “big” hot dogs yet?
@Phil
I agree with your prices! I was even laying the low ball and calling in at $30USd to $35USD an ounce.
@Frances
I have been telling people for years when I travel. “American people are nieve, but not bad!” Unfortunately, shitty corrupt officials have bastardized a system that was design to weed out criminals and tyrants from governance, unfortunately, it takes the people who had been brainwashed and lied to to do the “cleaning”. I doubt Jefferson accounted for the brainwashing of the populous.
SNOOTS Society isn’t supposed to function like support hose for weak people. Had my say, and so that’s okay. Just hard going bankrupt with a country while the world jeers, and people say it’s a great thing.
Your welcome to help run my sustainable farm/artist commune/thinktank…………well Im currently just looking at land but the offer stands.
@Phil
Hahhaha
And I thought Tony was the last to know. Everyone else knew.
@DanValley:
Been looking into space all day, but I still like swimming around in time!
BTW,.anyone wanna buy any of my juicy “big” hot dogs yet?
How do we know if theyz juicy if we ain’t bit into one yet?
For me OTE is much better because it is about economic Themes, Keiser report is too much political.
Max i think politics are not your Home game, dont make yourself a puppet.
You don’t,….but I bet you’z thinkin’ about it !! : )
@frances
happy holiday… er, generally great people… but time to start to let go of the past!!!
Fred Neil – Everbodys Talkin (Echoes)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-Ql1284QLw
are they Kosher?
Kosher dogs are the best.
@Don
Seeing as I’m torn between versions… this is for you… happy holiday!!!
Harry Nilsson – Everybody’s Talkin’ (1969)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AzEY6ZqkuE
@Supergeek:
Thanks,Supergeek!
I’m thinking bout what you said.
Seems you might be right.
But I still considering.
Not quite sure.
Get back
To you
On
if.
@Don:
Yes. And Bill Gates is awful busy getting micro-communicating hooked up everywhere!
@FrankHope:
Thanks for that link!
@y’all
and this is for me and All Y’All
Bill Withers – Everybody’s Talkin’ (mp3)
http://tinyurl.com/yetst9e
@All,..
Culture: The growth of populations of microbes in artificial environments.
Note: The artificial environment is a petri dish, known as the “culture media”,thus,
the artificial environment is supplied by the media. By including or excluding particular
substances the Media controls what groups will and won’t develop and the direction those
groups will go.
Fink aboot it !! : )
Yo didle doo Hi everyone …..
Why the chart gone to sleep just checked its all gone level mannn lol
what’s happening !!!
Were on the level we have all Plateau a new strange warped world
wow man no one predicted this ,,,, fractal
Try trading a plateau lol
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eShAgvcnsP0&feature=player_embedded
Speaking of human fat content, and not to polarize the because I am sure this is only being done by a few companies, BUT!
“Peru’s Police Say Gang Drained Victims’ Fat ”
Europehttp://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/20/world/americas/20peru.htmlans
@ Frances
“And Bill Gates is awful busy getting micro-communicating hooked up everywhere!”
Micro-com, or data farming? Through a digital cerebrial tap.
Has anyone else ever met a peruvian farmer? They have never had the luxury to store much in the way of fat, so the gang must have killed quite a lot of peasants to get the human fat for the Euro market.
@Don:
Not many fat people in Peru when I was there. If anyone was fat, the Peruvians called them “gordo”. Sort of a social stigma. It is a question. And most rich people who are fat have armed protection.
Phil, you said “…The market cap of all the gold stocks in the world is less than that of Microsoft or Walmart…”
That is false. I saw this in a graph of info by Casey Research presented in an article “Gold Contrarians Will Get Killed” that Catherine Austin Fitts linked to in the priority portion of her blog. It rang false to me, I checked it out and it is false. Like so many of the other facts people aren’t checking. My very incomplete total came to 341.7 billion US, well above the 210-220 billion or so depicted. It was 2:30 am and I was satisfied to go to bed. I wrote Ms. Fitts about it, no response.
That 341.7 billion US is not counting warrants, debentures, unlisted private and state companies, or gold bullion ETFs. Also I stopped short of finding and adding companies that were either below 900 million in market cap or not listed in North American markets with the exceptions of Polyus Gold from Russia (11.5 billion US market cap) and five companies listed in Australia (31.6 billion US market cap in total).
Here’s an alternative source of real-time data for all you gold diggers out there:
http://www.usagold.com/live.html
@phil
are you there ….take a look at the chart s…lol …no one wants it any more lol what the F….
I love the new show.
Its much better to see Stacy on screen rather than having her pretending to be on the telephone
@Mr Unemployed
Like the detach button on the graph, can make the graph window size. Realy great! (JAVA) http://www.usagold.com/live.html
@Dedo
That’s odd. I was just listening to a philosophy podcast about culture and ideology.
“When I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun.” — Hanns Johst
London Trading was SHUT off today for 3 hours, traders where shocked when this message was flashed up on their screens:-
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DpySJR1btMY
@Adam C
“When I hear the word culture, I reach for my gun.”
Any Barbarian does :- /
The Barbarian Invasion http://www.underthesamesun.org/images/marines%20regroup%20inside%20a%20mosque.jpg
@Fibon11235 … early days !
@Adam.C,…..would you post the link,.I’m all for varying perspectives !
Get ready for the next leg down folks. European markets down 3%
Red Alert: The Second Wave of The Financial Tsunami http://tinyurl.com/ydroewd
German politicians, media warn about the next global financial crisis http://tinyurl.com/y8gzwju
Heavy-Duty Truck Sales Decline for 10th Consecutive Month http://tinyurl.com/ykcbfv2
look at the from NASA about pole shift:
http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/29dec_magneticfield.html
Intermodal Rail Traffic Decreases for Week http://tinyurl.com/y9ptga2
*intermodal rail traffic = http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermodal_freight_transport
ATA Truck Tonnage Index Dipped 0.2 Percent in October http://tinyurl.com/y8jmq6a
Climategate: 12 Aussie MPs lead the way by resigning in disgust over carbon tax http://tinyurl.com/yf3ctt3
Earth’s magnetic shield is weakening:
http://www.alexansary.com/Editorial/Sun%20spots%20and%20a%20weakened%20magnetic%20field.html
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0909_040909_earthmagfield.html
Youri, what do you think? This would account for the ‘climate change’, and is not associated with carbon pollution.
Nigel Farage speaks out about the EU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g0ysFmN8hro&feature=related
@frances snoot
Well the complete system is all so complicated and we don’t know everything yet in conection with earths climate system. That’s why the IPCC has to be burned cause they do pretend to know everything.
Every day we learn new things which doesn’t necessarily mean we than understand the complete system immediately on the contrary, it gets more complicated, more factors. So the interaction between the diffirent kinds of radiation in earth’s upper atmosphere is only recently discovered so needs more reasearch anyways.
And indeed what kind of influence does this magnetic field have on the processes in the upper atmosphere with at the same time no sunspots but that can change too? I don’t know and I doubt if it is know by any scientist today. Likje said it’s all new stuff adding new parameters to the climate review.
They say that the sun could have a sudden solarflare burst but were is the prove for this? NASA is just questimating a theory based on old solar cycles but we just see that a trend has been broken so who can tell what realy will happen. Maybe the sun just picks up more sunspots slowly and gradually why it has to be a catastrophic event again? NASA gets more funding than? Seems like it with all these catastrophes around. Humans like drama and catasrhophy movies and like also NASA learned. things sell better if you can get verybody scared.
Watch out the Babareians are comming! (Not knowing that they’ve become the Beast themselves)
@Youri:
Well, theory says time is tied to the magnetic shield. Which makes the Mayan prediction interesting is relation.
Oh yeah there are less floating Icerocks around caue these melt of faster but not on a way everybody may think from warmer air or somtin. No, the icerocks melt from the bottemside which is underwater! In some arctic areas there is more rain and this sweet relative warmer water floats on the colder salt water and causes floating ice rocks to melt faster than ususal. The Arctic winters are a month longer than “usual” and the summers are a little warmer. So netto no temp rising.
Glad to be on the real sciense now instead of this CO2 BS.
That guy doesn’t know what he’s talking about. 30 to 40,000 troops will be on the way soon. We are gonna build up for world war three! I’m so excited! Pay China back, HA, we aint gonna pay no one back! we are gonna take everything by force!
I love wars!
Youri:
There is a theory about six minipoles operating during the duration of the pole reversal. Interesting that the aurora borealis was seen in Greece:
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/1956GeoPA..35..139C
At this point one may assume lies will coat most information to a degree equal to the information’s potency.
The climate change scam is a way to consolidate power rapidly in the hands of the criminal currency cartel. There are definately more levels of information than we can access at ground level. One must extrapolate within the context of a reasoned cross-reference of true science.
My gut is that the answer lies in the magnetic shield weakening.
@frances snoot
I havn’t seen 100% proof yet about our calender and the Maya calender collusion. Everybody assumes that somebody, whoever that may be, made the right calculations. I don’t buy that immediately cause it could be off as much as 200 years so that the Maya calender actualy ends 200 years later than we assume now.
But a lot of people sell books on the subject so they won’t tell you that. And even if the calculations are right who says that the Mayan say the world will end or somtin? Lately I saw an interview with a Mayan himself and he said that the Western people are crazy people who don’t understand him!?
I mean first it was plantet X than through the center of the galaxy, which happens all the time and now it’s magnetic pole shift? What’s next?
This sunspot thing together with eart’s magnetic field is somting to keep an eye on. Heard that there were some Aussis with strange sunburns. Havn’t seen this confirmed yet so i’ll looking forward to more info on the subject.
re: Afghanistan
Look at NCL Holdings and especially Milky Way / Watan Group…
@frances snoot
What I heared from some scientist is that radiation has influence on the formation of clouds and CLOUDS ARE THE REAL AND UTMOST IMPORTANT GREENHOUSE GAS (Not big for you Snoot but for the crowd).
So indeed if earths magnetic field and sun radiation add up in upper atmosphere influence in the formation of clouds it could be very important indeed. Havn’t seen much info about it cause like said it’s all new science.
Over time a new field can continue to grow. This further weakens the original magnetic field. If the process continues, the two fields would eventually cancel each other out. Earth’s magnetic field would collapse and then, maybe, flip.
“But more likely than not what will happen is the original [field] will get stronger again and overwhelm the instability,” Glatzmaier said. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/09/0909_040909_earthmagfield_2.html
@Youri:
What makes the Mayan calendar prediction interesting is relation: what I meant by this is that the reliance by western science on rational thought linked to linear progression is a stasis not represented by natural phenomenon. Mayan cyclical time makes more sense. Retrospective analysis is fraught with error. The point to the scientific method is to defer some of this error in an understanding of the natural dynamics of change.
I agree that most of what we hear are stories: but I would like to assert that ALL of what we hear are stories and that facts are a fantasy relevant to faith. We use science to interpret change as the patterns indicate a relevance to our human dilemma.
What the story tellers aim to achieve is to mold our patterns of construct building to an effective end: the blocks are given to us to build within the constructs demanded by social pressure and cultural mores. Not much chance of escape through the channels delineated by our ‘betters’. Most men give up and aim only for notoriety.
I agree about the question, “what’s next”. But we may find the answers more readily in an observation of our natural world. A hearty appreciation of the skeptic’s outlook is a necessary friend now.
Youri:
Yes, your cloud reference sounds like the vapor canopy idea. But how would that have anything to do with clouds? If a vapor canopy existed or exists (and mind you it is the creation scientists who make this claim) it most likely would have involve a completely different composition of gaseous elements that what we observe normally now. Right? I don’t know if the vapor would be anything like a cloud at all.
Not to discount the idea, just the application.
@frances snoot
The idea is that radiations has influence on easy or less easy cloud forming. That’s at least what I’ve red somewhere. Don’t have a link by hand right now. Come back on that later.
Clouds are the most influencial on our climate. sunblocking during the day. Keeping heat, like a blanket, during the night.
@ y’all remember I told my Invisible stock mkt agent Scoty to long on the health industry and shot health insurance nobody said anything
Hmm errr back to “No Commenting ” Now
Yes, Youri.
But unfortunately, the world has chosen dogma over science now.
Thanks for the information!!!
HI BONN!
@frances snoot
Earths magnetic field forms a ring of protection around the earth blocking much of suns radiation. If earths magnetic fields weakens more of suns radition comes in thus possibly influencing cloud forming – is the theory. But which way is unknown to me?
But sun is at a sunspot low as well at the moment so this has to be added in. If the sun gets stronger, more sunspots you’ve got mor radiation as well and this couls, again, influence cloud forming.
@ Snoot
Hi
http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2008/16dec_giantbreach.htm
Bonn, Youri and I were discussing the aspect of radiation on the climate change scenerio.
Why the focus on clouds? What inherently affects climate is the ocean. The real study is probably not being revealed to us.
So, now we know that the more active sun warms the planet directly with increased incident radiation and indirectly both by reducing low cloud and likely by elevating the proportion of gaseous water — the most important greenhouse gas.
This is precisely the kind of feedback hypothesized for enhanced greenhouse except this now has a demonstrated physical mechanism and is of such importance we should walk through its function just to be clear.
Increased solar activity acts directly on the Earth with a small increase in radiation, a small heating effect and an associated increase in evaporation. This same increase in activity suppresses cosmic ray penetration of Earth’s atmosphere, thus reducing available low cloud condensation nuclei. This sequence of events increases clear sky and incoming radiation while increasing the already dominant clear sky greenhouse effect from gaseous water vapor.
http://www.junkscience.com/Greenhouse/Cosmic_rays_and_climate.html
@ Snoot
dont know much about radiation
Been going through some of the vids of my favorite comedians over the last few days
Russell Peters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzoGuy7vhJI
Cool, Bonn!
Youri:
Here’s what I learned tonight:
Climate science is ignoring the affect of solar radiation and sun flares on the climate. Also being ignored is the affect of a weakening magnetic shield upon the climate. Cloud formation is a direct result of an increase in solar radiation. Clouds affect climate due to a cooling effect. Some scientists believe that cloud formation would result due to the greenhouse effect and as a result the earth would cool, not warm.
Now it is time to shut down for the night! Goodnite all!
@frances
give this a view when you have some time
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/magnetic-storm/
Abu Dhabi Abu Dhabi Abu Dhabi!!!
The latest from Dubai, a great article.
My favorite part is the 11th paragraph where Dubai’s ruler, Sheik Mohammed bin Rashid Al-Maktoum, puts all the fears and doubts of Dubai’s critics to rest with assurance.
Check it out:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/ml_dubai_desperate_times
@frances snoot
Yep, nough said on the subject for now ….nighty night
http://www.reuters.com/article/governmentFilingsNews/idUSN2430299520091125
Fed Says audit won’t happen….
Too much bad news as of late.
This calls for a dance break. See you guys on the dance floor.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=osnCVm0lCdE
HSBC starts gold rush as it kicks small clients out of its vaults http://tinyurl.com/y8auhga
A Mad Rush as Gold Bugs Get the Boot http://tinyurl.com/yz5po9a
Gold investors are ousted from Fifth Avenue home http://tinyurl.com/ykqu528
STOP GLOBAL WHINING!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RjtIxYXGAak
http://www.manufacturingnews.com/news/05/0407/art1.html
Congress has hired a scientist to launch a wide-ranging investigation into the deteriorating health of the industrial base and its impact on national security. This scientist believes that policymakers are not making the connection between national and economic security.
This is an opportunity to connect “Audit the Fed” with national sovereignty and defense issues. PLEASE CONTACT DR. SHEILA RONIS, PRESIDENT OF THE UNIVERSITY GROUP OF ROCHESTER HILLS.
Anyone seen this list of companies pushing global warming? reuters, coca cola, warner bros, finiancial times yahoo, google, national geographic, discovery channel, washington post, huffinton post to name some.
http://www.hopenhagen.org/friends
hopenhagen, guess they added extra aspartame and high fructose cornsyrup to the cool aid meaningless message of “hope and change”.
In theory news shouldnt take a position, it should search for facts just like science. BTW the “goals” of this treaty is reduction of 17% for US, 30% for EU, developing nations/China need to just “decrease” the increase by 2020. And here it comes; they apparently have a crystal ball; the temperature may not risen more than 2 degree Celsius by 2100. Even with average its ridiculous; lets add up again; free emission rights, inefficient wind/solar energy produced by crony companies that cost alot of maintenance still need energy companies (which pollute and hold their powergrip), bio fuel/prius, storage of CO2 in the ground, nothing about toxic waste dumping, water pollution, dying oceans/fish populations, deforestation and not to forget a new derivates scam thought up by people at Enron. Anyways i wanted to mention again how much this is rigged and controlled/pushed, without going into the hoax thoery where “scientists”/propagandists fake data.
Interesting night debate, youri/frances,
this patrick geryl guy says that he found, besides the maya calender, an advanced theory of the mayas concerning sunspots! It is actually this theory that forms the basis of his 2012 prediction!
http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm_day/home.htm
did anybody look into that one?
http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2009/11/20_Gerald_Celente.html
Gerald going gangbustahs…
Well, if you take poppy production from almost nil to a record in 8 years, I’d call that quite an accomplishment!
Maybe he’d have some info on reports of herion going thru Ramstein AFB….ask him next time. And about Pat Tillman…what did he know?
here is the direct link to that sunspot theory
http://www.howtosurvive2012.com/htm_day/sun_05.htm
im the 205th commentor! im really touched!
Here’s the real answer:
The Greater Aquarian Cycle
If the 26,000 Great Year Cycle of the Mayans is ending in 2012 (coinciding with the lesser 5,125 year cycle), it is highly significant because it may also relate to ‘the greater wheel’ and its cycle of 26,000 years – finishing one cycle and starting another. The twelve zodiac signs take 26,000 years to precess the full circle of 360 degrees, the same time span as it takes for one zodiac sign in the greater zodiac.
The world is entering the Age of Aquarius on both the smaller and greater wheels, an event that has only occurred six times (this is the seventh) – in the history of this Fifth Rootrace, hence a time of great opportunity. [1]
Nevertheless, we are on the cusp of these cycles, 500 years for the lesser wheel and 5,000 years for the greater wheel; it is doubtful (as mentioned by other authors) that something will ‘happen’ on December 21, 2012. We are going through a process of unprecedented change during this cuspal period. If the above date is accurate, then this is an advantage for students of astrology and cycles – as it may allow some accuracy to use this as a time marker to work forward or backward.
Another factor to consider is that the 26,000 year cycle coincides with a 104,000 years cycle of the ‘fourth Sun’. (104,000 = 26,000 X 4) In other commentaries this author has dated the fifth subrace of the Fifth Rootrace (5.5) as starting around 100,000 years ago.
Indeed, in this fifth branchrace of 5.5 (5.5.5), the race has reached its apotheosis, and in this Kali Yuga cycle of destruction, is ready for a major shift. According to the Mayans, Humanity will shift to the ‘fifth sun’ phase, “El Quinto Sol”, where a golden age of higher consciousness will emerge.
From Here: http://www.hiddenhistoryhumanity.com/43%20Esoteric%20History%20IIIc%20SthAmMayaShamBraz.htm
Gold hallo!
Geez…who knocked down gold?
@ Oregon Scott
Thanks. I enjoyed listening to Celente; the new stuff and the old Celentisms.
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Johnny Dangereaux
That´s Blavatsky´s stuff….
when she could not be successful with spiritism in NY
she got into theosophy right!
she committed a lot of plagiat!
still the question stands about the sunspot theory