Polls, Polls, Polls! Tea Parties and Fed Audits

Stacy Summary:   Feel free to answer how you would answer each poll question.  Is the Tea Party the fabled Third Party of which we have been hearing predictions from the likes of Gerald Celente?

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79 Responses to Polls, Polls, Polls! Tea Parties and Fed Audits

  1. in my opinion it seems obvious that Anthony Giddens’ so called third way wil;ll be foisted down upon anytime of us “grassroots” movement emanating from below because in this age of transparency a permanent element in the equation seems to be the ability for each side to predict the next’s move…talk abotu impasse

  2. anything not in this vein requires very high level propulsion aka higher even the lord monkton which may indeed occur relating particualrly to economics however up that high i doubt i would hear of it

  3. audit the Fed? Is anyone serious. They will just cook their books, why bother? They can Enronize the whole mess by offloading elsewhere, no matter. These guys have not been the World’s greatest criminals for years and years without multiple recourses. This is another in an endless line of Media canards. Its better they aren’t audited, that way people can imagine the corruption rather than see that everything is just rosy. Come on people, look at the ridiculous stress testing they did last year,look at the unemployment and inflation figures. By demanding an audit of the Fed what people are essentially doing is making legitimate a criminal organization, victimizing themselves for the millionth time and distracting attention from what really needs to be done.

  4. all these polls anyone are masquerades. They make it appear to the Sheeple that they are living in a ‘democracy’ and in that way mask the obvious truth. How many times does that zionist idiot Wolf Blitzer, he of former Jerusalem Post fame, quote poll after friggin poll about what the dolts in Amerikanna think about this,about that, about Lindsay Lohan, about Michelle Obama,etc. Its deeply patronizing and defuses what little potential there is for any kind of radicalization or at the very least uncertainty in the general masse. I hate polls. They imply that anyone would want to vote. Who the hell wants to vote in a plutocracy where the leaders and the questions are all chosen beforehand for you. Its disgusting and hateful.

  5. Phil /Germany

    @Mike/Liverpool .. GBP weakening ?

    Johnny Rotten – Market Notes

    …Market notes on the USD, GBP as action may suggest a trend change in the GBP/USD relationship. Greece (which got downgraded after the production of this video), Germany, Dubai. Starve the beast and gift cards….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6KoGOKh6v4&feature=sub

  6. frances snoot

    By demanding an audit of the Fed what people are essentially doing is making legitimate a criminal organization, victimizing themselves for the millionth time and distracting attention from what really needs to be done.

    YES. Nicely Put!!!

  7. frances snoot

    all these polls anyone are masquerades. They make it appear to the Sheeple that they are living in a ‘democracy’ and in that way mask the obvious truth. How many times does that zionist idiot Wolf Blitzer, he of former Jerusalem Post fame, quote poll after friggin poll about what the dolts in Amerikanna think about this,about that, about Lindsay Lohan, about Michelle Obama,etc. Its deeply patronizing and defuses what little potential there is for any kind of radicalization or at the very least uncertainty in the general masse. I hate polls. They imply that anyone would want to vote. Who the hell wants to vote in a plutocracy where the leaders and the questions are all chosen beforehand for you. Its disgusting and hateful.

    HERE HERE FOR BUDDAHABOB!!! This is precisely the function of polls.

    It may go even deeper in that the use of polls to exhibit a ‘public opinion’ may be used as a WAY to sway public sentiment.

  8. @buddahbob and Frances,…thing is, there are to many folk who believe what they’re “fed” (excuse the pun)! : )

  9. frances snoot

    Why not audit the ECB? Or is that bank the new functionary FED?

    just asking

  10. CALL CONGRESS AND DEMAND AN END TO THE FED NOW!

  11. The ‘Tea Parties’ are fronts for the hard-right corporate/oligarch foundations.

    Most of their supporters think they’re part of some grass roots movement, they’re actually flocking to a movement that’s manipulated from on high.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/alex-brantzawadzki/anatomy-of-the-tea-party_b_380608.html

    AFP engages in dirtier, noisier tricks than its sibling FreedomWorks, so much so that Rachel Maddow called AFP “a parasite that gets fat on Americans’ fears.” In the fall of 2008, at least two different state directors for AFP published nearly identical anti-EPA op-eds, each one even using the same misspelling in each. …

    AFP is also behind Patients First, which made a name for itself this summer with its “Hands Off My Health Care”bus tours. Heavily promoted by Americans for Prosperity, on the side. Events on this tour featured speakers who compared President Obama to Joseph Stalin, Pot Pot, Robert Mugabe and, of course, Adolf Hitler.

    At a conference in October hosted by AFP, Koch claimed to have orchestrated the Tea Party movement:

    “Days like to today bring to reality the vision of our board of directors, when we founded this organization five years ago,” Koch told the audience. “We envisioned a mass movement, a state-based one, but national in scope, of hundreds of thousands of American citizens from all walks of life standing up and fighting for the economic freedoms that made our nation the most prosperous society in history.”

    … AFP was a strong proponent of ending the ban on offshore drilling in the 2008 debate while having taken large sums of money from Exxon/Mobil, as revealed by Rachel Maddow. On August 6 Phillips told MSNBC’s Rachel Maddow that AFP is “happy to take corporate money.”

    They like to harp on themes that stimulate the fears of US citizens and work them up into a state of paranoia.

    You can see the effects among many US commenters here.

  12. Phil /Germany

    @buddhabob & @frances

    Yes, well put .

    Maybe they will “time” the audit to coincide with a massive US$ crash …
    … so they can blame Ron Paul & Peter Schiff !
    ;-)

  13. frances snoot

    Well, Good Glory! I detest the tea bag movement, so I guess I’m “safe”.

  14. Garlic bubble in China caused by Swine Flu scare? Or is it a sign of underlying inflation?

    http://www.chinahush.com/2009/12/07/the-crazy-garlic/

  15. harry youre being played too

  16. i mean, you are quoting from huffington post

  17. just look at the wakked out, unprincipled, plastic surgery covered, washington based sociaL cetrist butterfly who owns ut……..

  18. As Penn & Teller eloquently have put it; whenever you see a poll, think, f*ck you Frank!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=If9EWDB_zK4
    or as the masters of ‘Yes, Prime Minister’ displays it; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yhN1IDLQjo you get the drift.
    When viewing a poll you should always, always know how the questions were formulated and presented.

  19. They’ll probably differ thier toxic Assets posting 60 years later for “Classified Reasons”
    RODFL ;-)

  20. frances snoot

    PA! What ya doin with those tea bags stuck up on top of yur go-to-Sunday-meetin’s hat?

    Steller. Ya got airy right to be proud of yer’n Pa now! I’ve done joined a ‘movement’!

    Pa. Ya needin to sit on the john some more s’what I’m a’thinkin.

    No, Sweet Pea. I’m gonna protest them Commie-nests over’to the Federal Re-Serve. Seems best to go’on with that there Fed Owdit, thingy-ma-bob.

    Pa. What ya know bout them things? Has Pastor Bud got ya all riled?

    Well, Pastor Bud sure nough lookin to our’n best in-ter-ests. He’z gettin a group to support Palin for Prezident in 2012. We’z gonna have jobs and guns fur sure, and a right purty prezident to boot. And this Fed Owdit is a bitsy step in the right di-rection.

    Ya leave the house with them tea bags fixed top yur head Pa, ya ain’t a’gettin two steps up to Billy-Bobs. I mean! Ya look like a regular loonie-tick.

    Now, Honeypot. Ya just mind yur manners and leave the big thinkin’ to yur Pa! Sets to right this cuntry, and once’cet that’s done wez gonna have lots of money from the gold buried ‘neath this’n here trailer. YES SIRREE. Wez gonna live like our’n foundin fathurs did once’cet with gold fer money and laws to protect the white folk from them Commie-nests.

    Suit yurself, Pa. It ain’t yur ideedee, but yur sure stuck to it. I’m going to town s’well, but I ain’t a’flountin some dang-fool tea bag off’n my hat. I’m a’puttin some dandeelions ‘gainst my brim to say best ideedees s’ones can’t be bought.

  21. Mike2liverpool

    Thanks Phil
    What i like to see is the £ & $ jump off a cliff together.
    Mike

  22. frances snoot

    just look at the wakked out, unprincipled, plastic surgery covered, washington based sociaL cetrist butterfly who owns ut……..

    Stella sayz, “Why, thatz pure poetry!”

  23. the saviour will only come when he is no longer needed….with regards to the fed audit.

  24. US Mint Runs Out Of Tenth-Ounce Gold Coin Inventory Day After Its Release For Broad Purchase

    http://www.zerohedge.com/article/us-mint-runs-out-tenth-ounce-gold-coin-inventory-day-after-its-release-broad-purchase

  25. frances snoot

    so they can blame Ron Paul & Peter Schiff !

    Are Ron Paul and Peter Schiff cousins? Gee, Phil. Seems like everything done in ‘the family’ now!

  26. Why don’t they just audit Wall St? Isn’t that the real issue? And besides, the Fed IS Wall St.

  27. frances snoot

    @WL:
    India won’t be able to enrich the uranium for their own power: it’s handed over to the Russians under the NPT treaty. This is about the enrichment contracts.

    http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=eddfd0ee7d4d11c2bb907e93ed1a9d15

  28. frances snoot

    I think it is a sign of a weak argument when one person calls another person paranoid for a perspectual basis alone.

  29. @frances

    you mean Alister. I am the little kid

  30. frances snoot

    Good God! I thought you were a cat, Meow Tse Tongue? Has he taken over the keyboard as well as the stockpics?

    Oh. sorry Allister. Here’s a link to the slave camp for the Anglo-Dutch:
    http://www.ucil.gov.in/

  31. the solution is no solution. The patient in triage will have to die convulsively on the table. The system rot must spread from within until it becomes impossible to game any longer. The Fed will have to implode by virtue of its own doing, the powers that be are too violent and facist for any serious reform movement to be tolerated.

    Of course Ghandi and King would right now already have organized massive multi-million man sit-ins at the Fed and at the White House creating waves of socail unrest and civil disobedience but the apparatus for something like that is nonexistent and went out in the 60s. No way you get people out of their tiny comfort zones to march for their own critical interests. Not when the Tiger show is on the idiot tube along with ‘Dancing with the Stars” and Monday Nite Football. The Monarchists have done a superb job eliminating the mob from the picture. At no other time in world history has the mob been less feared than now in Amerika. Think about it. What Dickens talked about in ‘Tale of Two Cities’ may as well be him describing some Martian civilization.It has become such a remote sensibility . The master plutocrats have coopted anything that could smack or smell of mobilization.

    The kitchen wives and peasants of France who stormed the Palace, butchered the infamous Swiss guard and then carried off the royal family to the Bastille are presently shopping for sex toys,mainlining sacks of Dorritos and hoovering down General Hospital .

  32. Jesse posted a great cartoon.

    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_H2DePAZe2gA/Sx….h/wealthgap.JPG

  33. @ buddhabob

    OMG!! buddhabob. This is classic!!

    “The kitchen wives and peasants of France who stormed the Palace, butchered the infamous Swiss guard and then carried off the royal family to the Bastille are presently shopping for sex toys,mainlining sacks of Dorritos and hoovering down General Hospital .”

  34. npt=irrelevant to the actual business people concerned
    thats all mumbo jumbo for academics to whine about

  35. “An important feature of paranoid thinking is its centrality: that the paranoid person perceives himself as central figures in an experienced scenario which may be either dangerous (persecutory) or self-exalting (grandiose) and interprets events which have no reference to them in reality as directed at or about them.”

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paranoia

    Paranoid people exhibit a tendency to believe, according to a pet delusion, that events unrelated to their person are indeed an act of conspiracy against their person.

    It would be a personalized fear, then, and not a view to interpretating events in the world, that could be called ‘paranoid’.

    The tea party goers are angry about things that are happening in the country according to their persuasion of political rhetoric. That is not paranoid behaviour but political posturing.

    One man can not claim the responsibility for another man’s agency. Each person acts according to personal choice. Unless the Huffy Postie is claiming mind control the whole idea is ludicrous. Taking offense to a political party is one thing: extrapolating on the individual mind agenda in the party’s adherents is another. It seems the progressives only have an appetite for their own limited views on the world and resort to labeling instead of substantive argument to silence the opposition.

    The behaviour of the progressives in this regard has been a disappointment to me as I used to really admire the movement when Bush was president. But since Obama has come on the scene, the same people that cried about the limits of free speech are now denying others equal space.

  36. @Alister:
    The NPT is the nuclear treaty out of the UN security council which mandates that only the five (Russia, China, UK, US, France) will be allowed “nuclear rights”: the five are using the treaty to extend to uranium enrichment. That is the whole crisis in Iran and now India: a means to hegemony over resources for the elite interests at the expense of the citizens who have a RIGHT to profit on their own resource and labors.

  37. yeah i know frances, it’s just an illusory paper instrument used by the status quo but its significance i presume will either fade or remanifest in a new form in accordance with the satus quos weakening economic pwoer….

  38. @Allister:
    Unfortunately, though, Obama and the G20 political structure seem willing to bow deeply to the substance of that paper trust. It has to do with greed.

    The toppling of the G20 does not look imminent, for the system draws through a monopolized assertion over all currencies and central banks. The power wicks from below to above due to the money demon.

  39. “The ‘Tea Parties’ are fronts for the hard-right corporate/oligarch foundations.”

    Yes, we now have a right wing party the “Democrats” and an extremist right wing part the “Republicans”. Do we need an even more extremist right wing party.

    No.

  40. Does that make socialists the centre-right?

  41. @Gordo
    i think lots of those tea party people were libertarians presented by the media as nut jobs. anyway if we don’t drop the left/right paradigm we will never get out of this mess.

    @bubba
    at least the whole “audit the fed” thing made a lot of people aware of the fraud. maybe the people will understand the books are cooked if anything comes of it? i hope so.
    i pray celente is right.

  42. …then communism would be the centre party, leaving the left wing to – blimey we’ve come full circle – the fascists!

  43. @ gb

    “i think lots of those tea party people were libertarians presented by the media as nut jobs. anyway if we don’t drop the left/right paradigm we will never get out of this mess.”

    I have heard that a lot and maybe it is correct. But I do not really agree with it. If we cannot accurately define the problem we will not solve it.

    We are told the capitalist system has won. It is the only system that works. Well no it has not won. I think that there is a Yin and a Yang to everything and that we must find a balance. At the moment we have swung way to the right because of a false belief that those methods are better.

  44. I think it’s a mistake to even view a potential “tea party” as a separate party, because it’s nothing but a rebranding of Republicanism.

    The “tea party” is already forming, and it’s asking America to accept the most extreme views and rhetoric of Republicanism. You can’t find one prominent Republican who has a bad thing to say about the tea party “movement,” because they’re all trying to co-opt the faux-populist tea party talking points that they see resonating with the angry, confused populace. Recall that the few GOP moderates that exist are being purged, and that many prominent party members have been quite vocal about moderates not being welcome in the party. If more polls come back with similar results as this one, more extreme and ramped up rhetoric is to be expected, and if the tea-party style of politicking is accepted, it will bring us that much closer to the day where politicians incite violence against those deemed to be “un-American.” Sarah Palin and Michele Bachmann have already begun the process of articulating a “real America.”

  45. i don’t know how to not become a co-opted tool.
    but i think the repubs are trying to use many people who seriously don’t believe in taxation without representation.
    some kind of progressive freedom movement will have to come up, i don’t know, a constitution party.
    the only thing i’m sure of of is that we have to throw the left right b.s. in the toilet once and for all othwerwise we’ll never get free of the bullshit.

  46. @ harry_w – The beauty of it all for the fascists on the right is that the very people being led by these corporate PR firms have no idea that they are doing the bidding of corporations and billionaires, and in doing so, working against their own interests. That’s because Palin and the rest of the right-wing hate machine have brainwashed those people into believing in the “fairness” and “balance” of Faux News and right-wing radio. So they’ll never turn to any other source of information since they’ve been brainwashed into believing that anything else is “liberal media.” Maddow could pick apart every single corporate PR firm and reveal their dirty tactics, but the very people who are being manipulated by those groups would never hear anything about it for the simple reason that the far-right has already succeeded in cutting those people off from information.

  47. Yes, if you have to call yourself “Fair and balanced” you are no longer fair and balanced.

  48. @ gb – i don’t know how to not become a co-opted tool

    Indeed, it’s pretty hard in this day and age. There are always corporations, PR firms, think tanks, etc. out there figuring out new ways to infiltrate groups, co-opt the messages or values of those groups, and spin things to their advantage. Seems like one of the character traits most necessary in order to avoid being sucked into some corporate (it’s usually corporate, isn’t it?) orbit or another is cynicism. That, and one needs to have a pretty strong bullshit radar.

  49. yeah, it seems that no matter what you do or say somehow you immediately become a tool of someone else’s agenda. wtf!?!
    i guess the only thing to do is try to speak the truth and hope for the best…

  50. if the tea-party style of politicking is accepted, it will bring us that much closer to the day where politicians incite violence against those deemed to be “un-American.”

    That assumption is what I call a Leap of Faith.

  51. The beauty of it all for the fascists on the right is that the very people being led by these corporate PR firms have no idea that they are doing the bidding of corporations and billionaires, and in doing so, working against their own interest.

    Substitute progressives for ‘fascists on the right’ and Soros-funded ngo’s for ‘corporate PR firms’ and the sentence reads the same.

  52. @ frances – Did you see any of the videos taken of the red-faced angry people who were fed a steady diet of hate at the Palin rallies?

  53. @Mep:
    You all delivered me from eating my news from a McDonald’s box. But when it comes to the right you get a might tad emotive.

    Both sides are nasty.

    Stacy was right when she lectured me about the health care protests being foisted upon the US by the Insurance lobby and corps. But then when I use my newly-found nuance to point out Cindy Sheenan’s group is funded by Soros I get verbally lynched?

    Which way is it, Mep?

  54. @MEP – Analysis of funding and backing of the “tea Party” movement…

    You are right on target.

    The Tea Party movement is a false-populist movement that has co-opted well meaning individuals.

    Your analysis is spot on.

    When you look carefully at who is behind the Tea Party momentum….there are alot of Republican names and organizations and networks.

  55. @Mep:
    I know bout hate. I grew up and was bussed to a middle school here in Florida that was mostly people of color. And they hated me for being white. Go figure.

    Hate is everywhere.

  56. @frances snoot

    There is no conceivable comparison between the left and the right.

    The day that people in peace marches are not arrested and tea baggers are is the day we start having parity.

  57. I’m not arguing for or against any party. I’m not pro-Palin. I just think we need to discuss IDEAS and not last weeks re-tread about Palin’s daughter’s boyfriend or about how a perspective is a danger or about what Sam Stein thinks about this this or that…

  58. @Gordo:
    Yes, unfortunately there is a great deal of comparison. Where has the peace movement been, Gordo? What, all of a sudden there is to be a peace movement? Why I begged for support for a peace movement six months ago here on this site. And no bites. But now it is TIME: aka money=time in the USA. Now the Soros machine is moving in the direction of anti-war. But only this war now. And why?

    Because the agenda that goes along with the anti-war is at the timely inception: the agenda that Sheenan indicated with her anti-capitalist stance in her writing.

    Now, I’m not going to say that these people are ready to kill from hate. I think they are coopted just like the right, though.

    Look at the funding for each and every group right and left and then walk away without blinking cause its all backed by criminals.

  59. The day that people in peace marches are not arrested and tea baggers are is the day we start having parity.

    If the teabaggers set footsy near those G20 meetings I can assure you they would get arrested. Just because the teabaggers were INEFFECTUAL doesn’t make them SANCTIFIED.

    The only thing sanctified in America is hypocrisy.

  60. @frances snoot
    “If the teabaggers set footsy near those G20 meetings I can assure you they would get arrested. ”

    And I can assure you that the tea baggers will not go near because that is part of the right controlling agenda to not rock big business.

  61. @Gordo:
    Both left and right feed into the G20 structure.

  62. Gordo:
    I didn’t say the teabaggers weren’t coopted. I think they are. I said they weren’t sanctified.

  63. @Gordo –
    The tea baggers are living in complete denial of the financial facts.

    The reality is that they can’t handle the truth, so they go about resurrecting the Boston Tea Party to pose as a real movement.

    The people involved early on were real.

    The fact of that GOP funders are behind the thing is covered up.

    But, there is no realistic appraisal of what is occurring in the movement.

  64. Tea-party , Left, Right – gimme a break it doesnt matter most of the politicians under these parties still are mirrors of one another… All of these parties are ruled and funded by huge corporations soo whats the difference people?

  65. Check out these “fat fucks”… ideological fools…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8yOLvi-YpZw

    Yeah, give your kid a sign saying “Global Warming is Science Fiction” and put them on a street corner… that’s helping…

  66. @ Alistair,

    I understand some will reject anything, simply on the basis of the source, despite it being entirely verifiable.

    I wouldn’t suggest The Huffington Post is some isle of clean politics uninfluenced by it’s funding sources. They do provide generally sane commentary though (including Max’s column), unlike the equivalent web-papers from the US right.

    On this topic, both the research and analysis stand up to scrutiny.

    Are they wrong about the backers behind the tea-party protests?

  67. @ frances,
    Yes, paranoid. We’ve discussed it before when you were citing a Ron Paul supporter’s denunciation of Alan Grayson. So I pointed out the political futility of Ron Paul supporters denouncing his key political ally from the liberal-left. And as an illustration of the risks of allying with the US right, due to the long-standing paranoid tendencies of their political base.

    The Paranoid Style in American Politics was first described by Richard Hofstadter in relation to the failed Goldwater campaign in 1964.

    People aren’t paranoid for believing in conspiracies, but if they can’t provide any verifiable evidence of the conspiracies they choose to believe in, well maybe.

  68. PPPPffffffftttt

    Political Parties are stupid…
    you should be voting for the PERSON, since they are SUPPOSED to be your representative

    Republicrats or Tea-Bagging Libertarian Socialist Porn Stars…
    It doesn’t matter what freak flag they fly,
    so long as YOU can voice your concerns and get a viable response…
    THAT is what it is about…
    In the ideal of politics, everything else is BULLSHIT !
    If you believe in party politics, then vote for Ronald McMussolini next time…
    at least he’ll get the job done, to your detriment, in the most efficient manner possible…

    I still prefer Technocracy, though…

  69. @ Mep,

    The beauty of it all for the fascists on the right is that the very people being led by these corporate PR firms have no idea that they are doing the bidding of corporations and billionaires, and in doing so, working against their own interests…

    …the right-wing hate machine have brainwashed those people into believing in the “fairness” and “balance” of Faux News and right-wing radio. So they’ll never turn to any other source of information since they’ve been brainwashed into believing that anything else is “liberal media…”

    I think we can only learn from the ‘movement’, starting from it’s origins and growth. A lot of work has gone into fine-tuning the political rhetoric, and building networks of successful fronts. With the advent of the internet, this allows supporters to cocoon themselves in a network of mutually supporting media (I think this web-effect also applies on the liberal-left, which it inhibits critical thought):

    HOW NEO-LIBERALISM TOOK OVER THE WORLD
    There is an alternative
    Radical conservatism was proclaimed dead in the early 1960s. It wasn’t even sleeping. It was planning, successfully, to become the orthodoxy of the next 40 years. Now we have to nerve ourselves to challenge it.
    by Serge Halimi
    “… Without the painstaking work of “extremists” such as Goldwater and the thinktanks run by Friedman and Friedrich von Hayek, no one could have predicted that the stagflation of the 1970s would be interpreted as it was. Moments of crisis challenge the status quo.

    Thinking the unthinkable
    Conservative groups such as the Heritage Foundation, the Cato Institute, and the Société du Mont Pèlerin (founded by Hayek) dared to think the unthinkable. In the end, the party in power would be irrelevant if political parties were forced to fashion business-friendly policies; the competitors could meet head on as long as they all played by the same rules. On the right, in 1960, the Keynesians included the British Conservatives, the US Republicans and the French Gaullists. On the left, in 2000, the neo-liberals include Tony Blair’s New Labour, the US Democratic party and most French Socialists.

    Hayek, who had been preparing his grand alternative to socialism since 1947, announced his intentions: “Our effort differs from any political task in that it must be a long-run effort, concerned not so much with what would be immediately practicable, but with beliefs which must regain ascendance” (12). This amounts to saying that the neo-liberal cause would not be compromised to seduce the mainstream or win in the short-term. For those who advocated a revolutionary break with the past, the point was not to cajole the political centre, along with elected officials and media, as they go with the flow; the neo-liberal goal was to reverse the whole trend. As market Leninists, the “conservatives” believed in the role of the avant-garde. They were not interested in cabinet positions. They wanted power.

    With each day our world edges closer to the dreams of Goldwater, Reagan, Thatcher, Hayek and Friedman. Such figures had weapons that opponents of neo-liberal globalisation could never hope to muster; business interests are not about to finance the research activities of those who seek to overthrow them. The press, now safely in the hands of the multinationals, will do everything it can to discredit anti-establishment protesters…”

    Essentially, the liberal-left ‘war on poverty’ met it’s neo-liberal response in a ‘war on the poor’ (or war on workers and savers as Max puts it)*. The neo-liberals turned the tide in the 70s and have been in the ascendant ever since; no matter the label on the party.

    The crisis that threatened the collapse of the western financial system in 2008 was the end-result of it’s effects (asset inflation, stagnant wages, unregulated debt finance). The lurch towards corporatism in the face of that crisis, transferring banks and speculators liabilities over to the public, just charges the bill to those who lost the war. They never believed in their own ‘free market’ anyway!

    * ‘A world war’s worth of debt’ was the only metric I could use to describe the significance of the bank bailouts when my family discussed them, and that effect the ‘war’ had been against those now due to pay for it. I recall Max & Stacy used the same analogy recently. I think it’s the only metric and analogy that can be instantly absorbed by almost anyone.

  70. frances snoot

    @HarryW:
    I’m sorry you feel that way about my posts. It quite reveals your narrow-minded aspect of which I did warn you before.

  71. frances snoot

    In a free and open society, people are free to ignore those who cherry-pick which perspective is the ‘going accepted litimus’ for normal. But it looks like we are headed to a darker region where free and independent thought is discouraged through labeling, marginalization, and claims of mental instability for the parties who disagree with the popular statist line.

    I’m not alligned with the right nor the left in the US. But I don’t assert any prohibitive mental condition on persons who think differently than I do.

    It’s nasty to do so and quite relevant to why I feel deep disappointment regarding the progressive movement. Once in power they reveal themselves to be just as bigotted and besotted with themselves as the neocons.

  72. frances snoot

    People aren’t paranoid for believing in conspiracies, but if they can’t provide any verifiable evidence of the conspiracies they choose to believe in, well maybe.

    Harry W:
    What a besotted ass you are. You have no idea what the term paranoid even means yet you fling it about as though it were your personal battering ram.

  73. The only arrests at tea parties have been the people protesting the tea party. The violence is coming from the left. You can believe anything you want. The Democrats are shutting out any debate. Honest discourse on the main parties of the US has long gone. The tea parties are trying to get honest debate in the arena. The ruling class does not want that to happen. A lot of people on this site complain about the ruling class all the time. Be honest about it with yourself. Who is the ruling class, who is getting their way in the debates and action. Golbal warming ect… This (the tea parties) is not a movement of corpations but of the people. The events are locally orginized the money is from the protesters themselves not from corpations like and ACORN. Listen and don’t assume you really know what they mean. Some really mean what they say. Dishonsety is the death of liberty. Dishonsety is all I see in my Country (the US). Some of us will continue the fight.The US needs to get rid of the FED and get out of other countries. That is just the start of the tea party agenda. It is time for the US people to start over and adhere to the intent of the founding fathers. Yea I know you know more about it than I do. Look at the original documents of communication and take their words in context and for what they are, don’t read you own values into them You might learn something. I am sad to see it (the US) go, as it can never be as it once was, but it started9the decline) back in the 60′s this is not an acute event. I am done rambling.

  74. The “Tea Party” has been usurped by the neo cons like Glenn Beck and Sean Hannity. The funny thing is most of the people intially involved were hardcore anti-war, anti big government libertarians.

    The Tea Party has morphed into the hardcore wing of the Republican Party. I remember back in the spring when they were having some of their first rallies, a relative of mine made a jk about how they were all morons. I defended them until I looked at the signs they were holding and saw the fox news superstars in attendance.

    This may be the big plan of those in power, syphon off legit dissent into an impotent third party that is really controlled by the same neo cons in power for most of this decade.

  75. Aspadistra at Ashdown Forest

    It is understood by most people that pay attention to the details that the Tea Party is a pretend party, whose sole existence is to be a puppet for some US political interest or other.

    Yet, to see it as some artificially imposed replacement from above for a failed Republican Party is overreaching — and probably not going to happen.

    All it takes is a good ad agency, some fake propaganda and some imaginary concerns — and the Republicans will regain power parity.

    Creating and maintaining an extra imaginary political party is not in the will of the US ruling class — as the two current political parties are almost more trouble than they are worth.

  76. SaulRosenberg

    The Fed will never be audited…no way no how. Never. With as bad as the economy is, it gives politicians (the only people that can authorize an audit) a scapegoat to palliate the sheep plebes. If you don’t understand that last sentence, you’ll NEVER understand politics. That’s the way it rolls—they don’t listen to the people, they listen to $MONEY$. People are short-sighted and will be given new HOPE next November. Terrible.