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If bernanke is the most powerful man on earth, then mankind is truely a pathetic lot.
Who’s ‘time’ will it be next year?
Did Rubin Commit Fraudulent Misrepresentation?
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=amtnPmaY5V.s&pos=1%3Cbr%20%3E%3C/a%3E
Detroit’s Unemployment Nears 50%
http://www.businessinsider.com/almost-half-of-detroits-workers-are-unemployed-2009-12
Trail of Afghanistan’s drug money exposed
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KL16Df01.html
More likely he’s being prepared for a timely toss under the bus, just when the last wheel (taxpayers) flys off. Of course the main stream medium (media is plural) will make this look cool, like when james bond’s car goes under water.
does anybody know who ended the bananawar betwee Europe and south amerika?
Ik think this person should be nominated for the nobel peace prcie
It’s too bad that Ron Paul helps perpetuate the myth that the CRA is behind the implosion of the economy. Other than that, good for him for finally getting some corporate media attention.
HuffPost has posted a copy of the American Bankers Association’s “call to action” memo on thwarting regulations:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/16/bank-lobbyists-launch-cal_n_394673.html
@mep
he didn’t say it was the cause. he said it was one example of how Congress contributes to the problem
. sounds like he mostly blames the Fed.
Mr. Paul is being used as a stooge, just as Perot, and Buchannon were.
High paid stooge = false flag patriot.
Would I be correct in assuming that out of all public figures in the US, the personal and political philosophy of this Ron Paul guy is most consistent with that of the average American? You know, minimalist government, individualism, scepticism of foreign “complications” etc…
So why doesn’t he get a bigger audience? What is he doing wrong? Or perhaps I am misjudging your average Joe bag of donuts?
@T. Geithner
I think the problem is that most Americans no longer believe in small Fed. govt. They want the Fed govt to big for their side but not for their political opponents side.
Dem want Big Govt. health care, welfare, education, etc
Repubs want Big military, corporate subsidies, drug war etc.
I’ve heard Ron Paul admonish both sides for their hypocrisy. he’s said you cant rail against big govt. for the other side of the isle and demand it for yourself because it is the nature of govt. corruption that makes it evil in anyone’s hands.
Basic libertarian stuff that maybe lasted 5min if it ever existed in the US.
@ Timmy – You’re misjudging Joe bag o’ donuts . . . for now, anyway. It is not typical to pay attention to actions vs. rhetoric; it’s not typical for politicians who don’t fearmonger or consistently mislead the public on truly important issues to have a large following; and it’s not typical for people like Ron Paul to even have his positions known by the public at large, because the corporate media always silences people like him. Not one corporate media outlet paid attention to his presidential run, just as none paid attention to Kucinich.
@ marietta – My position on “small government” is that we can’t get there without truly progressive policies. So long as we continue to let economic inequality widen, continue to price Americans out of the basics, continue to have tax policies that benefit the wealthy, continue to let wages stagnate for the majority of the population, etc., we will have to keep elements of “big government” “entitlements” in place. “Big government” exists in part because both parties fail to represent the people; it’s an expression of decades-long abandonment of the people and the needs of the leaders of the country to whitewash that abandonment.
@marietta, Mep
But the corporate media surely knows it’s audience? Say what you want about it, but I think the corporate media will try its best to cater to common opinion yeah?
So doesn’t the common opinion have some correlating thread with libertarianism?
For example, the hero complex propagating in all Hollywood movies. It is always about the individual. You know, “ONE MAN, saves the world….from giant…..space fluff.”
Know what I mean?
@Mep
I’ve heard Ron Paul say exactly the same thing. After bringing all troops home he wants to continue the social support system for those who are dependent on them with the money saved from defense. Then sound money/economic policies would rebuild prosperity and big govt. could be dismantled. Sounds like you want the same things.
what a bunch of fake bastards. They VICIOUSLY attacked Ron Paul when he was running for President, back when he was in a position to really blow the lid of things. God those Morning Joe hosts make me want to puke.
A better cultural example of ingrained individualism in the US could be westerns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZsnybNax4w
tim geitner, I don’t think you understand how it works. The media and the banksters. The banksters own the media here in the usa. Have for quite a while now. The bankster owned media tells us how to think in Amerika.
@Mep
And please notice that i said Repubs and Dems in my original post. They want Fed power for themselves but for very different reasons. That’s why i didn’t say progressives, libertarians , constitutional conservatives etc.
@Tofu Charlie, Phil and others
Just found this lad uploading Mike Ruppert’s film Collapse. He’s uploading as we speak, parts 1 and 2 up
Part one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVH64h4-OZk&feature=related
@ marietta – Yeah, I think that when it comes to political labels, there is a lot of (intentional) distortion that conceals overlapping philosophical positions. I’m pretty far to the left, yet there is little that Ron Paul says that I can disagree with.
@TG
Corporatism is the antithesis of libertarianism. It would do them no good to support it.
@ marietta – Yes, but at the heart of it, the reasons for wanting Fed power are actually the same: power for the sake of power.
@ COP15 followers – Good reporting by Amy Goodman on NGOs being kicked out of the conference center for “security reasons”:
http://www.democracynow.org/2009/12/16/climate_crackdown_un_bars_friends_of
You can overhear the French member of parliament telling the shock troops that he is a member of parliament and for them to keep their hands off of him.
@Mep
He really is the only one that understands the tribalism that fuels all this insanity. People should be free to live as they want with out infringing on others. It;s never really been tried and it scares the hell out of 99% of the world.
@Danny — thankyouthankyouthankyou!
Here’s an interesting perspective on world events:
http://www.scribd.com/doc/2297596/Conspiracy-Dr-John-Coleman-The-Conspirators-Hierarchy-The-Committee-of-300
@tofu chas.
Did you say a while back that you saved your cat from an owl?
THis may interest you. Dog escapes owl attack:
http://www.comcast.net/video/dog-survives-after-being-snatched-by-owl/1359263050/
@jon
Just to blame the banksters and the media is a copout. The audience is obviously to some extent in agreement with what they are watching and listening. Unless they are zombies…
And the Americans I have met have a goddamn opinion….goddamnit!!!
look at those fucking half wits laughing. fucking nitwits. you really do get sick of goofs. that video just reinforced my hate of television. fuck.
sorry stacy.
New to me. From Sept 2009
Fossils From Animals And Plants Are Not Necessary For Crude Oil And Natural Gas, Swedish Researchers Find
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/09/090910084259.htm
“There is no doubt that our research proves that crude oil and natural gas are generated without the involvement of fossils. All types of bedrock can serve as reservoirs of oil,” says Vladimir Kutcherov.
Peak Oil? Or
Peak *Artificially Suppressed* Supply of Oil?
The Daily Bell — Exxon Mobil Makes $30 Billion Bet
http://www.thedailybell.com/666/Exxon-Mobil-Makes-30-Billion-Bet.html
@Marietta — nah, just from under a house. I WISH I’d had the chance to see an owl vs cat fight… and that video sounds great — but can’t be viewed from Aussie… maybe it contains child porn or bestiality
@Adam. so after viewing these articles. do you think we have lot’s of oil.
Credit Suisse paying the US $536 million to settle case involving Credit Suisse’s “illegal” business with Iran: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/huff-wires/20091216/us-credit-suisse-settlement/
NYT : Claims of Insider Trading From Trader’s Ex-Wife
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/17/business/17hedge.html?hp
The only place where i have read about a true libertarian society is 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus. by Charles C. Mann
http://www.amazon.com/1491-Revelations-Americas-Before-Columbus/dp/140004006X
@Adam. do you think we should shut down nascar and the war machine because of peak oil? what’s your frikkin point. what kind of skates do you own. brand please.
Note how Sovietistic the cover of Time looked – Bernanke looks like Lenin
Amerika…looks like Atlas “shrugged” after all.
Both Perfect & Disgusting.
@Marietta — yeah, it sucks how left-libertarians have pretty much no political parties… end up voting for corporados or ineffectual progressives…
Here’s a shorter read:
http://www.financialsense.com/fsu/editorials/gnazzo/2007/nworder/0109.html
Sorry about that Tofu!
A pomeranian (looked to be about 5 lbs.) dropped from the sky in front of a woman’s car. She screamed and jumped around to scare off the owl who was determined to pick up it’s prey. Dog OK, all’s well that ends well!
you will need black or red skates in the gulag gambling casino. no more white skates allowed.
your either with us or the tourists.
Expanded health care?
Read it and weep.
update. 33 planes arrive safely in paraguay from DC. mostly young children and the elderly.
From 1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus
pg 374 regarding the Northeastern tribes including the Haudenosunee:
“every man is free,” the frontiersman Robert Rogers told a disbelieving British audience, referring to Indian villages. In these places , he said, no other person, white or Indian, sachem or slave, “has any right to deprive [anyone] of his freedom.”
@ tiny tim
Most people see through libertarian rhetoric like an empty bag of doughnuts. Smaller govt. for who? We know who.
More indvidualism? Being lectuerd by the subzidized about personal responsibility chaffs even the dullest drone. The bailed-out telling the bailers to bail faster?
Isolationist? That would take big government tariffs to achieve.
Don’t believe everything you hear about other peoples opinons, just go ask ten people on main street if they would like to pay for their cops with personal checks.
@Mep
it becomes increasingly clear what Webster Tarpley meant when he referred to Obama as “a cruel hoax.”
Detroit unemployment @ 50% according to the Detroit News:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/16/detroits-unemployment-rat_n_394559.html
All the news tells us that corporatism isn’t working, but all of our policies are being shaped to expand it. If we as a people don’t find a way to unite and fight together, we’re so effing screwed.
Dr Berninger’d latest.
Inflation/Deflation…..
Aaaarggghhh!!
http://www.youtube.com/user/jberni1
@MEP
you do know that the definition of progressive politics is bigger government and more centralized power. So i cant see how that would help decentralize govt in the long run. If we decentralize and say let states act as the great experiment with policies – like offering free health care or like North Dakota having a state bank, ect. We can copy off the innovations of the many. Plus decentralizing power prevents oppressive regimes from going on military adventures across the world.
U.S. National Debt Tops Debt Limit
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/12/16/politics/politicalhotsheet/entry5987341.shtml
Above the LEGAL limit is what the title should say IMO.
One French explorer reported that the Huron could not understand why
“one man should have more than another, and that the Rich should have more Respect than the Poor… They brand us for Slaves, and call us miserable Souls, whose Life is not worth having, alleging, that we degrade ourselves in subjecting our selves to one Man [a king] who possesses the whole Power, and is bound by no Law but his own Will… [Individual Indians] value themselves above anything that you can imagine, and this is the reason they give for’t, “that one’s as much Master as another, and since Men are all made of the same clay there should be no Distinction or Superiority among them”
The bubbles had nothing to do with the expansion of the money supply. Ron Paul is a market fundamentalist, he doesn’t understand human nature or markets. People will continue to go through this same cycle of boom and bust, it’s a psychological thing. There were bubbles with and without sound money there is absolutely no correlation. Schiff/Paul are obsessed with this but they’re wrong.
@Phil
Ooops, saw Berninger you posted first. Just read last post catching up. He’s good.
Cheers.
@Photoception
yep, Nikolai Kondratiev was sent to the gulag and later sentenced to death for pointing this out.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kondratiev_wave
@Photo
Government are just as irrational as people in making market decisions. Also, absolutely the expansion of money supply/ or credit had to do w/ the bust. Take a look at the private sector debt…. the expansion of cheap credit inflated certain market prices such as housing… people took out even more burdensome mortgages to pay for the new government created ‘American Dream’ of everyone now owning a house…. Student loans- low interest loans basically free-money allowed colleges to expand tuition as much as they wanted.
@Stacey
That’s the chairman of the IPCC, ain’t it cool? Am completely wasted, but also managed to impress the head of Philips lighting research into giving me a firm handshake when leaving with scheduled guests. I can’t vouch for continuity, but it better than being at home..
@Mini US .. be my guest !
Better to post it twice .. if it’s good !
1491: New Revelations of the Americas Before Columbus
Montaigne also observed the same antiauthoritarian attitudes among Indians that visited France. The Native Americans “noticed among us some men gorged to the full with things of every sort while their other halves were beggars at their doors, emaciated with hunger and poverty. They found it strange that these poverty-stricken halves should suffer [that is, tolerate] such injustice, and that they did not take the others by the throat or set fire to their houses.”
I ‘ve heard lots of people say that Ron Paul has the right idea. Do away with the Fed.
Yet, what comes after that? I’ve never heard any of his supporters come up with a feasible plan on what to do next. Go back to a gold standard? In today’s complex global economy, what good would that do? That would promote isolationism. Which is the last thing the States need right now.
@ Joe – With the example of health care, what were the real progressive after? A single payer system. Now it’s true that the federal government would be drafting policies, but it’s also true that a single payer system would result in more freedom and security for average Americans. It would also unshackle millions of Americans and give them the opportunity to leave employers and start their own businesses; existing small businesses would have the opportunity to expand and innovate as they wouldn’t have to worry about not being able to afford insurance for their employees. In that area of policy, attaching concepts of “centralized power” and “big government” and inferring erosion of freedom is exceedingly misleading. One of our biggest tasks, IMO, is in moving beyond concepts and ideologies that hold us back.
@The Underfundedmentalist
So thus we can conclude that libertarianism does not reflect the sentiments of your average Joe bag of donuts and this is why Ron Paul is marginalised by the “corporate media”. The market for his ideas is just not there.
@Under funded…if you read ron pauls end the fed he actually advocates Anarchy…no govt. Hes more a student of Rothbard…check into it….
@MEP
I agree though Single-payer would be very beneficial for everyone including business’ allowing them to be able to compete better globally. I think certain policies are great – though as with the current financial reform bill (which is garbage) it ties states hands down on regulations and such. the more you decentralize power the more likely corruption will occur and mismanagement. I am all for society closer to egalitarianism but i think there are certain ways you go about it.
Ron Paul – Im a big fan of him and everything but there are certain things he participates in that make me wonder wtf… He is a member of the AAPS – which has made such claims like – “that the gay male lifestyle” shortens life expectancy by 20 years.” – and hat HIV does not cause AIDS….
Tonight, Congressman Paul will appear on CNN’s Larry King Live, where he will debate Barney Frank over health care “reform.” The hit time is right at 9:00 pm eastern. Be sure to check it out!
Ron Paul on Cavuto
On Wednesday, Congressman Paul appeared on “Your World with Neil Cavuto” to discuss Ben Bernanke’s selection as TIME Magazine’s 2009 “Person of the Year.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJDmBhbwL-c&feature=player_embedded
Don’t know if you guys already saw this…
Moody’s warns of ‘social unrest’ as sovereign debt spirals
Britain and other countries with fast-rising government debts must steel themselves for a year in which “social and political cohesiveness” is tested, Moody’s warned.
A friends take on Pauls comments……
1. Ron Paul is right about contracts being sacrosanct. Fortunately for humans, Lysander Spooner obliterated the social contract theory (the theory of constitutions). Constitutions aren’t valid contracts.
2. The best test of any philosophy is done in the real world… That’s not true at all. Ethics and economics are both a priori and absolutely true, based on the nature of humans. There’s no laboratory environment through which to test philosophies.
3. The Constitution created the most productive and successful government the world has known. wtf? The constitution didn’t create anything, PEOPLE created both the constitution and the government. It should be noted that the constitution was an overthrow of the original US government in order to centralize the state and give them imperial powers (taxation and more). The resulting government has been the most violent, murderous, enslaving, imperial, barbaric, deceptive government in the history of the world. Now it’s collapsing.
4. Since the Constitution limits government… Even Ron Paul is opposed to this theory. He points out in “End the Fed” that the constitution doesn’t DO anything. Only humans can limit the government. History has proved that impossible. Given a group with a monopoly on force versus a group without one, the monopoly on force will win. Further, that group with a monopoly with use that power to obtain and expand upon further powers.
5. However, no government (in large groups) results in anarchy/ chaos Again, wtf? Anarchy has nothing to do with chaos, they are two concepts of entirely different realms. If anything, history has shown that governments are chaotic, and they produce chaos. The absence of a state is the presence of order. Nature is inherently ordered, and states are contrary to human nature.
6. The Constitution created the most productive and successful society ever known, and the further we moved away from it the less successful we became. Again, the Constitution didn’t CREATE anything. HUMANS created the constitution, and then they created a government. The fact that a booming economy resulted under the not-huge government does not require real-life experience to determine. It’s an implication of economics: less government intervention = better economy. A fortiori, no government intervention = ultimate economy.
Governments ALWAYS expand. The only thing that can limit them are humans, and yet humans run the government, which has powers normal people can’t. Governments use those powers to obtain and expand upon new powers. When governments are smaller and more limited, economies are less choked (not fully free though) and are able to boom. This is a given, and does not require experience as proof. However, as the economies become great, the state rulers see more and more opportunities for expropriation, thus setting in motion the cycle of limited government –> empire. Governments ALWAYS expand, and limited governments are the most dangerous.
“The system can be gamed,” Soros, 79, remarked at a London School of Economics seminar in July.
@ Joe – Yeah . . . single payer is “politically infeasible” because it would erode the power that corporations and politicians lord over individuals.
Just as the corporate charter came into being to keep the merchant class down and prevent them from continuing to gain power over monarchs, and just as the IMF and World Bank were transformed into institutions that ensure that poorer countries can not compete with richer ones, our “health care system” is all about protecting monopoly power and keeping the small guy from prospering and/or being competitive. One of the greatest myths of the US is that we value competition. We just don’t.
the natives in paraguay thought it strange to see such well dressed people walk 33 miles to the bush compound.
@MEP
I completely destroyed my own comment… I have to cut down on the drinking this afternoon…. ill sum up what i meant… I agree with you lol but i would like to see much more decentralized governance – giving power to states and such more then the federal government
@TG
So why don’t all those of the libertarian persuasion live in one region of the country and all those who are progressives live in another and all the right wing religious fundamentalists live in a third region and all the big govt. liberals in the a 4th and then all can live as they wish? dismantle the federal govt. and have regional govt. instead
all the natives were happy with the new mirrors.
Hello – anyone out there?
Hello..hello…hello
(crying)
what the f*ck is going on!
@MEP
funny thing is conservatives quote such people like Thomas Jefferson but dont understand he created the democratic party to stop Hamiltons elitist party and help the common man…. Though conservatives dont understand that most of them defend huge corporations that have taken advantage of them. I wont say democrats are much better because I think the two party system sucks big time… but I just think conservatives have the right mindset just are sheep being led by the same corporations that have taken over their country
@ dan
ron’s vision is of peaceful anarchy has only existed (in modern times) in small collectives, like renter strikes in the 19th century, berkeley in the late sixties, amish farms and the kibutz system, libertarianism is where anarchists on the right back into their counter parts on the far left
sounds good, but are we capable of that?
@tim
the media creates the market, ron paul represents one flavor of corportism, all recieved opinion falls within the corporate made spectrum
love the comments
sorry have to run to band practice
thanx for the discourse
regarding western civilization
“we’ve gone from james bond to erik prince”
@underfunded. you play the 145
@Underfunded..please I beg you before you comment further on what Paul believes read his books…and look at his record.Hes not for corporations….unless they are chartered.
@ LA – What’s up with you? Why are you crying?
@Dan. you jumping on my underfunded without asking me.
@Joe
That’s why it makes my skin crawl when neocons, limbaugh, any rightwing fatass m*er f*ers talk with false authority about Jefferson. He saw an agrarian/libertarian utopia as America’s future which obviously is impossible to obtain but he sure as hell wouldn’t have condoned a war mongering police state.
@Danny .. Michael Ruppert … excellent interview !
Here are all the links – Parts 1-7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVH64h4-OZk&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIIVGl5qjzc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M6RgO_IZHrE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cNN7WGkU8Ac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1neZLE8Kl4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7qG9nZYmEwU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-K2lvnNL_U
@Dan. try playing music for a living. you’ll be underfunded even with the 1 4 5
I was just going to ask LA the same thing Mep. Are you OK, LA?
REPOST…….:)
Tonight, Congressman Paul will appear on CNN’s Larry King Live, where he will debate Barney Frank over health care “reform.” The hit time is right at 9:00 pm eastern. Be sure to check it out!
Ron Paul on Cavuto
On Wednesday, Congressman Paul appeared on “Your World with Neil Cavuto” to discuss Ben Bernanke’s selection as TIME Magazine’s 2009 “Person of the Year.”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJDmBhbwL-c&feature=player_embedded
Hey RON RON…I signed with road racer records and cut a punk album when I was 21…….Its only tough if you make it so.
@dan did we tie on underfunded. maybe. see you in court.
@dan. and the cheques are rolling in.
@marietta
Well said – I agree. Talking head Neo-Cons are the spokesmen for the party and they get away with the war mongering BS which is unbelievable…. Though when it comes to politicians both the right and left are completely captured and corrupt. Like The pharma industry agreed to contribute $80 billion toward reform over 10 yrs in exchange for protection from further cuts… this was dont so the democrats could secure campaign finances for themselves in the future. Its completely BS – if we want anything done we must have campaign finance reform of some sort where corporate interests no longer control policy decisions
@Ron Ron……If I stuck with it who knows…..It wasnt my future plan.
A link for watching all major currencies in ReatTime…
http://www.finanslinker.net/saxo.html
FWIW
@Phil, Tofu
Just finished watching Collapse. Its an amazing, gripping piece of film.
@dan. i was in bearsville new york after janis died working on the full tilt boogie bands album. never was released. john till. ken pearson. richard bell.
What Constitutes a Currency Crisis?
October 5, 2009
http://currencythoughts.com/2009/10/05/what-constitutes-a-currency-crisis/
Courtsey of WilliamV at Investor Village .
@Phil — yeah SaxoTrader platform is awesome too. (Saxobank no so much)…
@Danny .. you mean the whole film Collapse, or the 7 part interview
( which I have just finished as well )
The Interview was very good .. he covered many parts of the big picture IMO !
@Ron Ron…nice….sure do miss CBGBs …and the ritz.
@dan google john till
German Max Kieser……….btw the £ is killing the euro max!!!!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJme8ypL-lw
Mike
@Mike how’s metal doing today.
@Mike. i think we can finally say that metal is in it’s own league.
OHYAOWNLEAGUEDELIVAMYSILVA
@Phil
The seven part interview IS the movie Collapse! Were you not paying attention!? You haven’t been at the Erdinger Phil have you?
@ LA – Here’s something to make you laugh:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg
just ask max, the better the league of hockey the tougher it is. metal is a tough game. your a fucking pro if you got metal.
Ron Paul is getting over!! He’ll be 75 in 2012. Lets hope in’s around. I understand many of your concerns but if its Obama 2 or Palin 1 or RON PAUL…its a nobrainer.
sorry about the swearing but i’m canadian.
for fuck sakes
“Greatest Country in the World”
LOL
Ron is among’st idiots
WTF is a conservative PEEPs
@Bonn you mean ron paul or ronron
@bonn
who are you quoting? lol
AAAAAAAaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhh nothings gonna change
“We all gotta get a little more corner’d”
“When everybody is hurtin that’s the time Humanity makes a move”
-Bonnie Chhoker
I was quoting one of the NEWS Peeps
He started with the sentance “Greatest Country in the World”
OOOOOOOOoooooooooooooooohhhhh makes me sometimes wish that Americans deserve what they get
W T F
They Deserve it
BC
All screwed up lies Basta#ds
@bonn
Who cares if Ron Paul says “we are the greatest country in the world” as long as he’s not for spreading ‘the greatness” around with military use…. Regardless if the tyranny driven USA deserves its punishment then you would be referring to the small majority of elitist who run the country for their own benefit. Your anger should be towards a small group of people who wield the power of the US military and finance industry… c’mon think
How can you not love him? He’ s like Father Christmas.
The mayor of Pittsburgh calls it the “Fair Share Tax.” But to officials at the city’s 10 colleges and universities and many of their 100,000 students, it is anything but.
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2009/12/pittsburgh-ponders-fair-share-tuition.html
You gotta hand it to Ron Paul; he knows his economics. I just finished reading his latest book, “End the Fed”. I don’t know why anyone would save a paper fiat dollar, if they realized how they’ve been being robbed for all these years.
@ Max and Stacey, Now that you see Barry Obama for what he is; what do you think about his missing Birth Certificate? I remember @Sharon pushing the topic a couple of months ago. BTW what happened to Sharon? And does anyone know what Don bag of donuts ended up doing? Is he hiding out in Central America?
@ Joe
I am a Great Fan of Ron Paul I was hopping by some mirical (man whats the spellin of that mirical crap)
he’d win 2008 and become the US pres
But I know about all the Builderberg Gp
n How Obama’s campaigne cost him approx. 170 Mill $
and how everytime he gave a speech a chick fell sick n he called the medics.dada……………… I can go on n on
N I am a freakin Indian living in India
LOLLOLOLOL
@ Joe
Your anger should be towards a small group of people who wield the power of the US military and finance
That where u wrong mate
If ya dont know what the Elected Elected Elected
u Elected ‘em
are up to
it’s your fault too
A strong majority of people were against the bailouts and also a majority against a troop increase in Afghanistan…. Even with massive propaganda and scare tactics that happen in this country people still were against such things…. but again the direct opposite happened… But when single payer is supported by a little less then a majority the government wouldn’t forcibly impose such a beneficial program.
If US population hinges on Oprah and Ellen and Lettermen n Conan
whooooa Glen beck is you answere LOLOLOLOLOOL
Makin some Tap sum Bong
Tea ie BRB
@bonn
tisk tisk – when your only options are between Republican garbage and democratic garbage you dont have much of a say….. “Democracy is the illusion that me and my wife have the same political power as David Rockefeller” – now you have to agree with that mate…
@ Joe
Even with massive propaganda and scare tactics that happen in this country people still were against such things…. but again the direct opposite happened
See what happens in France
The Govt. Shit scared of the public.
Why ?
Get the guys at smaller levels with ya
the county heads
Anyway personally
USA is comming to an End
It may try to instigate another War
But rest of the World has had Enough of this Teenage country.
@Bonn
France?? whats that? you mean the EU…
The Debt Trap
http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayCdd.php?id=301
@Bonn
getting angry at other nationalities is stupid IMO when we are a global community on a tiny rock with a vast majority of power in the hands of the few (like phil posted a week ago or so democracy is an illusion)…. war wouldnt do anything but profit the few and kill off many more again. I dont wish any ill on any citizen… I hope we can all wake up and see whats happening collectively
I dont think there is much EU in France
Really dunno
But One thing I know the Whole French Population is willing to go on a strike on a roll of a dime
@ Joe
I only angry at USA
nobody else
Either Western country’s get to know they’ve been played by the Rockefellers and the Rothchilds and get em to Justice
But Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Thats not possible
@bonn
lol as I – and I live here – so I wouldnt want to see it crash and burn… but rather finally settle into the collective global community.
Citigroup stock sale delayed by Treasury;
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/16/citigroup-stock-sale-dela_n_394998.html
This is total rumour!
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aQXMKqIsAFFg&pos=7
where is the point-source…why did they not ask basel committee or fsb
A couple of links for those interested in the morality of libertarianism and dispute resolution in a situation of stateless anarchy:
Proving Libertarian Morality
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/molyneux8.html
The Stateless Society: An Examination of Alternatives
http://freedomain.blogspot.com/2004/12/stateless-society-examination-of.html
“Dispute Resolution Organizations (DROs)”
Also:
“Redefining “the good” is very, very hard. Throughout their lives, people make thousands of decisions based on certain moral principles – and it if turns out that those principles were wrong, then they will be forced to admit that their whole lives have been spent in the service of falsehood, or corruption, or evil – and that is more than most people can stomach. In order to preserve their illusions of goodness, they will fight any close examination of moral principles almost to the death!”
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig6/molyneux7.html
Right. I’m off to watch Collapse.
@ dan valley, Phil/Germany
Questions:
http://questionsquestions.net/blog/041019b.html
This article is worth reading thoughtfully::
http://www.veronicachapman.com/nyc911/Jones-Kubiak.htm
U.S. delays $5 billion Citi sale after weak pricing (Reuters) http://bit.ly/5kpsi5
Hard to believe , but …
Comex Acts to Curb Speculation (in Gold)
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2009/12/comex-acts-to-curb-speculation-in-gold.html
@ Joe
lol as I – and I live here – so I wouldnt want to see it crash and burn… but rather finally settle into the collective global community
Even I would’nt wanna to crash n burn
Me bro is in Detriot
But given the history over last 100 years the real history of USA
A very dangerous Country
By far the most dangereous
Out beating China USSR
thank God India does’nt have Oil or cocaine or rich minerals.
The British were after our spices which they dont use in thier Cusines.
LOLOL
But now we have a couple of Nukes thank God
@bonn
i agree to an extent.. though China still wins as being the most oppressive country in the world to its own citizens by far – my humble opinion
@ronron
Re: Peak Oil.
I just came across that information. I’ve no ‘point’ to make or any particular ‘position’ or ‘brand’ to protect.
@ Joe
China has only had a problem with itself and the Dali Lama from Tibet
OFC it tried to f#$k around with India
But were scared a little
Both of us were scared in 1961 each did’nt know the others potential.
But USA dilver’s its threat Via DHEL with a Smiley on the cover. WTF
The UK Pound is dead in the water, its a Zombie currency, by next spring it will be lucky to have parity with the Euro
* DHL (correction)
@bonn
oh well i wont argue about who is most oppressive lol (because we all know its crazy nut bag North Korea) – though the trend is always the more powerful the central government the more oppressive the country…
And till the Day ya don’t sort out 9/11
USA is not headin foward
That’s blatant that it was an inside job/false flag ops
Ya guys have a drunk/dopedout on MSD at the wheel.
North Korea aint that scary trust me
Your media says so
North Korea is just fine they have no Probs
But why is it USA is worried about an oppressed Country ?
Nun of us F$%kin care
@Bonn
Lol my only problem w/ N Korea is that it is controlled like a big NAzi concentration camp…. Im not scared of N Korea because I dont live there… but if you think its so swell why dont you go and take a nice vacation there
YouTube – Welcome to North Korea by Peter Tetteroo and Raymond Feddema / Documentary Educational Video http://bit.ly/fOlw —- @bonn seems like a wonderful magical place
Interesting crazy video
“Collapse” documentary torrent:
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5217749/Collapse.2009.DVDSCR.XviD-DOMiNO.avi
Highly highly highly recommended.
@ Bonn- You’re right about us being the most dangerous. I hope that if the new sanctions on Iran are enacted, the pain of it doesn’t reverberate in India. I understand that trade between Iran-India has increased by 80% and is at an all-time high.
@ Joe
@bonn seems like a wonderful magical place
I’ll show You worse places than that in India
That shows how much ya guys really know
Plz y’all travel to a 3rd world country before commenting on it
Thats what pisses me off
@Bonn
Im sure you can show me worse places in the ghettos of Baltimore depending on personal perceptions….
@Bonn
I think we agree on most things. Im not trying to start an argument but to say North Korea is ‘fine’ (w/e that means) is pretty ludicrous.
Why not North Korea could be fine
Who Knows is it better than what Iraq was Who knows
Its that we start making Assumpstions is what bothers me
Yeah they Secretive Do they need Liberation
NO
If they need they’ll figure it out by them selves
Do they wanna go to war with anyone
No they would’nt dare
Lets leave em alone
lets face facts. The usa is the illumanti’s war machine. They built it. They use the usa war machine to control what goes on in the world. With other expertise segments like the cia and the isreali cia and british cia all part of the western contingent to be imperilistic and control the world.
Someone has to control things. Too bad the control is just for a very few super rich. Your either on the in. Or on the outs. And they decide. good luck.
@Bonn
Im all for leaving them alone and have not even mentioned ‘liberating’ them. As a human though its hard not to mention and ignore the atrocities that take place there AND all over the world.
@ Joe
And Trust me after figuring out a Lot
I am more scared of USA then North Korea or anyother country
A country which is willing to Kill its own people to Justify war (3000 americans plus the helpers who worked in an asbestos environment who are dieing now of Cancer)
Much more scary country than any other
Like I said USA can’t move foward without solving 9/11
The whole world knows it was an Inside Job but the US
bonn, the usa has been set up to just be a tool for the big bosses. Give us your poor and cast off from other countrys and we’ll put them to work and build a monster war machine to control the earth. But you have to keep those poor and cast offs kind of stupid or ignorant so that they don’t rebel or join the war machines legions. WAllah. The big media. Usa is great. Every other country in the world is bad.
@Bonn — nah, American know… and they’re generally fantastic people: generous, funny, etc… just horribly propagandized and oppressed by their criminal elites… they’re also victims — but some haters will never accept this.
For a country that brags about liberty and justice. The usa spends far more money on its military and has more people in its prisons than any other country in the world.
Does that sound like something is a amiss in the usa. Not is your a greedy war monger like my brother in law. Who thinks this is just great. Lets keep amerika great. And keep doing what its doing. Yah right. geez.
Where am I?…. I think my whole point of what I was saying got lost in translation
@Tofu I agree — @Bonn @jon – I agree but I think your mistaking what im saying.
@ TC
they’re generally fantastic people: generous, funny
Tell that to the Guy in Afganistan who lost his kids in a Drone attack
Funny generous
Now i am Pissed off
Fuck y’all
what yah saying joe. I like this website. It really has the most intelligent open minded people on it.
I think the usa peoples best asset is they just do what they’re told and don’t rock the boat. Yes sir. I will obey.
Great country. everyone just does what they’re told to do. Yes, sir, I will obey.
@jon
the point was human nature can be easily influenced by toys, totts, ect. propaganda … I.E. the US is a consumption based economy. Keep them fat and happy and what you get is political apathy and the leaders and Powers to be can do what they want with free reign. The US has become a terribly oppressive regime but I was talking about North Korea as being just as oppressive (but to its own people) — I wasnt using it to justify the US actions… but simply stating it as a fact and that its not OK to treat people like that… anywhere, in any country whatever its name is
@ Joe
U, Who has more people in prison the US or China???
JOe , I agree 1000%. I’ve thought that for years.
Like I mentioned send us your poor and misbegotten and will put them to work for miniman wage and build a great war machine. And to keep them from rebeling or getting upset we give them games and trinkets to keep them in thier place. It seems to have worked well. NO one in the usa wants to say or do anything against the griveous wrongdoings cause they don’t want to loose their stuff, jobs, and so called better life.
@Bonn
“they’re generally fantastic people: generous, funny
Tell that to the Guy in Afganistan who lost his kids in a Drone attack / Funny generous / Now i am Pissed off / Fuck y’all”
Well, if it helps you get past your hatred and fear, just think of those ones as reptiles.
But if you’ve got the capacity for it, understand that they’ve been manipulated into playing the game. Maybe they are true believers, but this is temporary (like all mental states) and doesn’t necessarily warrant your self-righteous spiritual fascism…
@Gordo
the US! the private prison system in the US is good business (California, Arizona?** ) have private prisons. Did you read or see that a judge somewhere (i think New York) was getting paid for every juvenile conviction. Needless to say he broke a record! & got paid handsomely
@jon
Yupp sad to say but very true!
Ron Paul
Ron Paul
Ron Paul
Ron Paul
Ron Paul
I’m trying to brainwash you dumbass Americans. Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama. Where the fuck are your brains?
Here, read this name again. Next time you’re standing in a ballot booth, just regurgitate it. Thats all ya gotta do. Simple, isn’t it?
Ron Paul
Ron Paul
Ron Paul
Ron Paul
Ron Paul
Thank you,
Apocalyption
i am readn u guys on my kindle . wst a pain in the arse
Ron Paul is spot on and -special note- very polite with this message – “bring all American military home” from all non-US locations – EU, Japan, South Korea, Italy, Southern Europe, (Hawaii too) and especially from any and all Mideast locations.
Not another US taxpayer penny or drop of American blood for any other nation/people -as it has been done almost exclusively for despicable profit making by the filth of Wall Street and the private banksters who own them and the ‘Federal Reserve’. They have pillaged not only our own (with aid and abetting of many non-American thieves and authoritarian wannabes) but others around the globe as well. Vast majority of Americans do not agree with nor condone the robbery of wealth and life of any other peoples of the world. We have been duped for a century into believing that America needed to “rescue” others and for almost every war – including the World Wars.
For a century we -the people of the USA have been bled by these blood sucking money-power vampires. Enough is enough.
Time for all to solve their own problems and for internationalist US-based elites to stop pillaging our wealth and blood for their vile internationalist adventures and “allies” -in the name of phony causes -like “helping our allies” and “spreading democracy”.
So do pay attention – as Ron Paul is giving the polite civilized warning and as time is running out for politeness and civility. Things are going to become very serious – for any and all who ignore the warnings and further attempt more of the same century-old-internationalist blood sucking of our nation’s wealth and our people.
Any and all, inside and outside, of the USA who do not heed this and similar warnings – you will “come and see”.
We -true non-internationalist Americans will soon have nothing remaining and nothing to loose but life itself. True Americans -whom much of the world believes no longer exist because of their brainwashing by internationalist corporate-NWO media propaganda and the thieves now running the USA mistakenly believe we have given up and will fade quietly away while being robbed of our present and future -without a fight. All are in for a life-changing awakening.
We want our nation, peace, and liberties back – but if we must take them back by force – we will -one way or another. We -the true Americans have given all the “experts” and the professional lying class – long enough to change their ways and come clean. Time is up.
Those responsible -for a century of crime against humanity -are now and will be held accountable.
p.s. Once back home, turn the troops loose on the Federal Reserve and Wall Street for starters.
Prepare.
Ron Paul vs. Barney Frank on Larry King TONIGHT! 12/16 – 9 PM ET
@ Apocalypto
Ron Paul Freemason
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Snickering Huffington Biotch sez
“Bernanke saved us all!” and disagrees with Ron Paul!
Too bad you can’t bitch slap the TV
Oks me anger has simmer’d down
Alex talks with Nigel Farage, the former leader of the United Kingdom
@ Infowars dot com
@dan V
I think she might be a Wall St. insider – “saved us all”
@ Frances Snoot
Question for the Resident Wordsmith Extraordinaire:
Would you be surprised if Bonn turns out to hail from, say, Utah or Virginia?
No big deal, Bonn, just the impression you give.
@ anything but green.again
@ ya’ll I am from India ask Stacey
She can Check where I hook up from through her Server Log.doc
I just happen to concentrate where the real Power Brokers are
thats all
@ Apocalypto – A President Paul would still have to deal with the Congress. Can’t imagine that many of them would be interested in helping him pass his policies.
dan valley, isn’t that odd that that woman like alot of big media is propping up (the weasel) bernake as keeping everything together. Its not like we have to keep the lies alive.
@Mep…he can end the wars without congress.
RE: prisons, check out this video from last night’s Rachel Maddow show. See if anything jumps out. Specifically, pay attention to the potential Gitmo-receiving towns and then play connect the dots.
joe, yep bernake and the fed and paulson(goldman sachs) and timmy gietner(new york fed) saved the day.]
But all I see is all the average joes loosing thier jobs and homes. And the wall streeters and big banks are making billions from bailouts and almost zero interest rates on borrowing money. Seems like theres something odd about all this. Gee , I wonder what.
He can also reverse every fascist executive order signed by Clinton/Bush/Obama on day one.
D’oh . . . video here: http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/#34439979
@marietta …right!!! Also sign off on the JFK bill to end the fed!!!
Barney Frank…i mean they almost need sub titles.
@ Joe
Yes It is sad how many lives are ruined by the prison for profit system.
We need to move away from that.
Senior Israeli officials claim: Obama told China that he can’t keep Israel from attacking Iran much longer (Haaretz).
@Gordo
The phony war on drugs is a joke its more like a war on poverty stricken people. the private prison system along with the insane drug laws need to be revisited
Iran Launched missle tonite capable of reaching israel….here we go folks.
http://www.blinkotv.com/
@dan v
oooo!!!! that would be nice!
@Mep
That whole prison thing has to do with Obama paying back the old political machine back home. Illinois also got a lot more stimulus than most states
And Mark Kirk, he is BIG time beholden to PTB. The story going around the state is that there are major skeletons in that boy’s closet and he is being led around by a collar
@ Apocalypto
No can do, the only thing he got right is stop causing wars everywhere. The FED is not the problem.
It is the oligarchs/corporations/right wing that caused this.
Photoception is correct we had bubbles long before the FED and printing. We have always had the oligarchs.
@Gordo
We had bubbles before the fed & printing but the world economy wasnt as diversified as it is today. Sound money today would make more sense then back in the day. I still believe (as Photo disagrees) Credit expansion was a huge cause of the current debt burdened west.
@ marietta – What stuck out to me was Hardin, MT. Remember this whole story?.
@Gordo
Do you think that the bubbles were as bad before? I mean, at least then you could decide to not participate and the only people that got hurt were the jackasses that decided to participate. Now, the ones who cause the bubble use everyone’s tax dollars to save their asses.
gordo, I think your probably correct. Its all world manipulation. The money thing is just part of it.
KInd of interesting really. Only problem is I don’t trust the rich folks that seem to think they’ve always been better than everyone else. Yah got the power. You don’t want to loose it. And you want to solidify it. Or mom would get mad and spank yah.
@mep
Oh yea. I’ve just got Illinois machine politics on the brain tonight
@bonn
Disagreements are useful — “for to undertake to wound and offend a man for his own good is to have a healthy love for him.”
dont get mad – we are all like one big happy family on here
Here is a good read about how ‘friendship’ has evolved over the years — The Chronicle of Higher Education http://bit.ly/7D8bM2
ROn Paul denounces Iranian sanctions on the floor of the house
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/119234
Since it is that season of the year we should all lift our hearts and voices in praise that Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board Ben Bernanke has been named Time Magazine Man of the Year for 2009.
We should all pray hard that next year he will also be bestowed with the Nobel Prize for Economics. My entire person just quivers at this thought. The award will be totally in keeping with the Nobel Committee’s recent awards. Why just a few days ago the President of the United States, Barrack Obama, accepted his Nobel Peace Prize while the podium from which he ordered new war making upon Afghanistan was still warm. O Blessed Be O Nobel Committee.
But to be awarded the prized medal for Economic Excellence will surely be the top of his fine career. Hosanna, hosanna, Gloria in excelsis Deo, be still my pounding heart. This act will surely bring praise upon the Nobel Committee who have recently made such awards to persons who are unable to identify a valid economic theory even as one was biting a chunk out of their ass.
But to be named Time Magazine Man of the Year for 2009 does enter Ben Bernanke into the pantheon of other famous individuals like Adolf Hitler in 1938 and Joseph Stalin in 1939 a perfect back to back exacta. Although these previous winners still lead Ben Bernanke by a mile in the categories of monstrosity and murder, our glorious Ben has already beaten them both hands down in the category of wealth destruction but to be fair not on an inflation adjusted [ha] basis since the 1940’s.
However, to be completely fair to both Stalin and Hitler, Bernanke is still in office and it is possible that the implimentation of his economic theories could be the major cause of World War III. In this event Ben could easily surpass both of them in the number killed especially if nuclear weapons are employed. Can we but only dream?
@ Joe
Oks
Generally I try to direct Peeps towards Stand up Comedians n generally off topic but Oks
me will try and keep the rants down
Hic
But sometimes I loose it
Plz forgive
@ marietta
I am no expert, but I heard that the panic (the oligarchs changed the name to depression for the 30′s, today great recession) they had in the 1870′s was about 20 years of pain for the people. So it sounds pretty tough.
jim odonell, well said. Yes its the season to try and back up the lies that were told to us all year long. Lets all rememeber and cherious the lies told to us all year long.
Most folks like my folks and nazi other relatives in the usa think everything is just wonderful. They’ve got theres. To hell to all the poor people suffering from all the injustices done by the banksters the last year.
http://www.wnd.com/index.php?pageId=119061
HEAT OF THE MOMENT
U.N. climate chief turns carbon to green
In lucrative carbon trade ‘all roads lead to Pachauri’
NEW YORK – Further examination of U.N. climate chief Rajendra K. Pachauri’s resume shows more extensive international business relationships through which he stands to profit from global warming activism.
WND reported last week a Mumbai-based Indian multinational conglomerate with business ties to Pachauri, the chairman since 2002 of the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, or IPCC, stands to make several hundred million dollars in European Union carbon credits simply by closing a steel production facility in Britain with the loss of 1,700 jobs
@bonn
I understand – I think we are all pissed off to an extreme. I just want to channel it towards a productive means – lol and i dont even know how to do that… so im left here drinking a little puerto rican rum , reading about how the world is going to sh** & having a jolly good time with all you guys on here and on weekends wasting my money at overpriced bars in DC
Looks like a blizzard at the Copenhagen airport. Hope ME is rugged up. The warmists and deniers in bear costumes have the right idea.
http://www.cph.dk/CPH/UK/MAIN/Virtual+Airport/Web+cameras/Web+camera+1.htm
@Anything but green..”The warmists and deniers in bear costumes have the right idea.”
Lets skin’em!
@ Bonn
C’mon, Bonn, did you get to India via Utah? You’re amongst friends. We’re mostly broad minded and very understanding. If you own up, I’ll let you know your giveaways.
@ Joe
Agree much more diversified and larger.
But we need prosecution of fraud and that fraud was orchestrated by the usual suspects. The institution of the FED if eliminated would just be reconstituted in another form by the same suspects.
Someone mentioned eternal vigilance.
@ dan valley
Yikes!
Ron Paul vs. Barney Frank
Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/wa…
Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/wa…
Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/wa…
sorry
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2UCSLTNpppo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wT4dOdBVsQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEdcNLrs6-Y
Massive drop in carbon trading profits?
http://www.chicagoclimatex.com/market/data/daily.jsf
@ anything but green.again
I’ll let you know your giveaways
LOL
Let me know Plz
I have know Clue where Utah is
But I think its got Salt lake City
Where they break Land speed records
And I think Are 51 is there
Really dont know just guessing
But I bet ya could’nt name the Political Partys in India
I know a lot about US Politics
Like I said I keep an Eye on the Power House of the World which seems to be falling apart at the moment
For which I am Gleefull
I will Not Deny it
US has eatin more Enough.
Hic
@Gordo
agreed %100 with that one. An economy cannot function with rampant fraud no matter if the currency is fiat /basket/ or sound.
@ Bonn
Ha-ha! Not telling you until you own up!
Want to hear observations of Frances too (as long as you don’t mind us having a bit of fun).
OK My real name is Sharan Chhoker
Me pet name is Bonnie
so Bonn short form
Why Iwas given the pet name god Knows
But I am a guy from Bangalore India
STACEY plz tell ‘em Check the Log books
N I got a swedish GF from Trellerborg Sweden
Borg means Fort in Swedish U learn something new everyday they built the Fort to protect itself from Invasion Man she is close to Copenhagen
but like most women not interested
Now all the women peeps dont jump on me
I just callin what I see
Hic
Sweet Sanna’s her name n she got freakin 17 tatoos
LOL
I’m not sure who is closer to the real power.
Joe and DC or Bonn and Sanna
Lithium in water WTF ?
Whats wrong with these guys
I’m not sure who is closer to the real power.
Joe and DC or Bonn and Sanna
LOLOLOLOLOL RODFL
Hic
Hearing Alex Jones now at infowars dot com
This just in, Tiger Woods named Father of the Year.
@Gordo
Im trying to get a room at the C-street house
@ Joe
You definitely gunning for big time power.
Man No NEWS today
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/space/2009-12-17-planet17_ST_N.htm
Extrasolar ‘Super Earth’ is first to have an atmosphere
Is that Nibiru ?????
The star resides 42 light-years from Earth (about 247 trillion miles), close by astronomical standards.
That awefully close Hmmm Hmmmm
Keith Olbermann jumps on his health care reform soapbox & takes a few jabs at Obama:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036677/#34455431
@ gordo
I’m no expert on boom and bust cycles either. I did find this regarding the Panic of 1873
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panic_of_1873
“The large infusion of cash was a result of the recently created National Banking System that led to an inflation of the money supply. This was created via the Bank Acts of 1863, 1864, and 1865. With each “national bank” legally required to accept one another’s notes at full value, the banks as a group were able to inflate the money supply which led to the boom that preceded the bust. The National Banking System was precursor to the Federal Reserve System.”
@marietta
nice find
@anything but….I say as its getting cooler one could use a good fur coat.
A great read!
American Purgatory
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/guest-post-american-purgatory
@ marietta
Thanks, looks like a tremendous amount of shenanigans back then too.
@ dan valley
Well, animal fur has been so politcally incorrect… but with the big freeze coming on, it’s tempting to get hold of some polar bear pelts before the rush.
Since following this site/blog I’ve seen more MSM stuff than in the rest of my life. The commentors often talk about having “woken up” but still don’t see the MSM and the authorized “alternative” media as one vast orchestrated psyop. They provide us with our causes and our champions, and guide the outcomes. In the meantime, the real action proceeds unhampered in the dark.
Here’s some MSM “reality”: Watch carefully or read the info to the side.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hAJq1ejs2mQ
AUStralian Murder linked to $100m mortgage racket
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/murder-linked-to-100m-mortgage-racket/story-fn3dxity-1225811461907
Here’s some MSM “reality”: Watch carefully or read the info to the side.
. Did’nt Know what you were pointing at but saw it this dude does a U-turn and then again walks along the other Peeps All freakin staged.
Oh man there’s enough on the net iteself to Indict these Peeps
hey i’m back from band time,
so how do you elect an anarchist?
and what about those ten commandments?
Anybody here has a Heliodisplay ?
Hic
so how do you elect an anarchist?
and what about those ten commandments
They found a Tablet in Nu Mehico
http://www.thetruthseeker.co.uk/article.asp?ID=78
10 commandments stone is at least 2000 years old
Christopher Columbus left it earlier then came back in 1492 to Discover USA
LOLOLOLOL
Hic
ANW “ancient Nuke wars”
Bernanke is now in good company of Adolph Hitler, Man of the Year, Jan. 2, 1939 TIME Magazine http://www.yachtingnet.com/time/covers/0,16641,19390102,00.html
the cycle continues
After two blatant election thefts, 911, wmds, and the biggest transfer of public wealth into private hands in human history, then being told ‘we did it’, i’m to believe ron paul will save us.
last time i felt that way i voted for ross perot, he was the first politician who told me the lies that i wanted to hear. Now i haven’t brushed up on the latest Paul, but they idea of a libertarian president disolving the corporate power structure seems remote. No govt means no law,a return to social darwinism, there is a reason this old idea is now being promoted. Whose anarchy, whose socialism?
@Underfunded..how to elect an anarchist…that would be ron paul.
ron paul can only get the govt off our backs.
the rest is up to you me and everyone else….Be a producer, not a consumer. We’re all headed for the grave ultimately. As the Irish saying goes, “If you were born to hang, you’ll never drown.” .
anarchy!
now that’s what I call a free market!
Any power structure is immoral… Anarchy should rule all
@ Bonn
The article you posted about the ancient stone includes a comment that takes 1,500 years off the date. Never mind, it’s a gutsy site, not afraid of taboos; worth bookmarking.
Thanks.
Oh, and yes, my post–you can see how totally staged the “eyewitness account” was. To start an enormous lie, you only need a few “eyewitnesses” and the next thing you know they are ballooned into “thousands of eyewitnesses”.
With the way current History is being Written and / or gonna be written In my Opnion Anything is possible
Just keeping an open mind
open minds are easily infiltrated, i reccommend a practical mind set, oh and before you load your peace maker, you’d better make peace with your maker,
good night
and good luck!
Is Hitler going to be named the 21st century “Person of the Year” followed by Stalin 2nd and Mao 3rd. Dont forget Che – granted he only killed a few thousand but we still need to give him his props.
This is like giving FDR the PoY while people starved and he enacted policies to destroy livestock and crops during the Great Depression.
Time is another government owned media outlet pushing government propaganda. Goebbels would be proud.
“A is A” John Galt
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_qQt9IrUc0&feature=PlayList&p=D688153FDB922DE8&index=0&playnext=1
oh, good luck fighting the committe of 300.
@ dan
glad you’re still up (it’s kinda late my time)
speaking of time, maybe it’s not to late to impeach obama, install ron paul by constitutional convention and disband the government before april 15th. I mean really, who amoungst us are gonna pay taxes, or anything else for that matter, I stopped in the nineties.
An Inconvenient Truth http://i48.tinypic.com/2wrdqvs.png
Nobel Piece Price (Upside down World: http://i46.tinypic.com/n16yk6.png
Al Gore didn’t Invent the Internet.
But did make up global warming http://i50.tinypic.com/o059ps.png
@ Underfunded – And what would Obama’s impeachable offense be? Appointing fuckups? The countless crimes of Bush/Cheney and their war criminal friends weren’t enough to impeach Bush. In order for Obama to get impeached, he’d have to get a blowjob and lie about it.
Climate talks stall as leaders arrive http://tinyurl.com/yjxn2hk
Higher taxes? You betcha! http://tinyurl.com/ya3332s
Playing the sovereign debt crisis http://tinyurl.com/yhxlrfy
EMU fudges contributed to sovereign woes http://tinyurl.com/yjwy2j8
House approves increased debt
Legislators approve $290 billion bump in debt ceiling http://tinyurl.com/y8exetg
@ mep
woods scandal expands to the oval office?
yep mep that would do it
I retract the statement I made about not paying taxes since the nineties. I haven’t claimed a refund, but most of the last six years have settled under the table, tmi?
A retraraction? on this site?
must be late
@Underfunded….Its only 4 in the afternoon here i Bangkok….if only we could impeach all of the corrupt douchenozzles.
It is time to collect the kids from school however…..later all
@ dan
i think they pre-impeached us first
I can’t believe the US has not imploded yet. It must be that when you can brainwash over a certain percentage of the population, the rest is to discouraged to act..
Totally of topic
http://aquariusonline.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/baalbek-foundation-stones2.jpg
Joe
Anarchy does rule all. Always has. Law is the tool man created in reaction to the chaos of the natural world. Mainly because man’s efforts are most efficient when coordinated, thus the human dilema, how to distribute the fruits of collective labor. Might makes right, for awhile, but sooner or later divine intervention is always manifested to enforce the
laws, this form of ‘god’s law’ waxes and wanes over time, finally subcumbing to man’s law. Homo sappiens of the man’s law nations are now coming full circle back to natural law, or so we are being told by the corporate power structure that depends on law to exist, we are actually on the brink of the next inquistion, a period of witchtrials and people courts, mob law.
Ho, ho, ho. Citigroup doing Santa’s work:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/17/citi-suspends-foreclosures_n_395237.html
Corporate PR Santa’s work, that is.
“A grown man knows the world he lives in. For the moment, that world is Rome”. -Pontius Pilate from Ben Hur (1959)
For now, replace Rome with the United States.
Russians say climate data manipulated and exaggerated.
http://tinyurl.com/yf9vc2c
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34455093/ns/us_news-wonderful_world/?gt1=43001
@Next Truth about Comments
Stacy – you hinted in one post a little time ago that Max could possible talk about the importance of Gold at $1200, is that talk still possible? also, Jim Puplava mentioned in his FSN that Wall Street Journal last week had an article on gold citing the number of calls vs. puts on Gold, were the call to put ratio was at 10:1. what is your thought around that and what can one read into it?
@Bonn … The star resides 42 light-years from Earth (about 247 trillion miles)
Alpha Centauri is 4 Light years … IIRC.
That is, if it hasn’t moved since I was 14 !
Europe: An Impending Disaster
http://market-ticker.denninger.net/archives/1746-Europe-An-Impending-Disaster.html
ECB Said to Start Consulting Banks, Investors on Collateral
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601085&sid=aCBYRPTsvC9k
EURUSD moved dramatically DOWNWARDS over the last days
1.4338 toda versus 1.5100 one week ago !
Now that is volatility !
/ Gold holding stable !
Re: latest ClimateGate development
On Dec-15, the Institute for Economic Analysis (Moscow) issued a report claiming that the Hadley Center for Climate Prediction & Research (Exeter Met Office) — which works closely with CRU East Anglia — tampered with Russian climate datasets, cherry-picking them to exaggerate warming. The report concludes that Russian temperature increase was overstated by at least 0.64 degrees C:
(chart with translated caption, links etc):
http://catastrophist.wordpress.com/2009/12/17/climategate_russian_iea_bombshel/
The Russian IEA was founded in July 1994 by Andrei Illarionov — a former Putin advisor strongly opposed to Kyoto, currently with the Cato Institute [bio]….
@ Alpha Centauri
Gotta check my facts next time I post something
But it is a Slow Day on the NEWS front.
I could’nt find anything interesting
Gold at 1121 dollar strengthing I Suspect X-mass fever
@Phil
I’m growing more critical of Denninger, his post about the ECB, Why would the ECB have the information they are now looking for under normal circumstances? It seems the US wants Europe to fail badly and Denninger is helping scare people away from what is still a huge market with real productivity.
Next big hit on television: The drone channel http://tinyurl.com/ybgxt8h
Bernanke____man of the what?
We live on a F**cked up planet. Time Warner the 2nd largest media whore on the planet http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_Warner is surely plugging this twisted power machine to get this b*tch re-instated to the printing press. Time is another cog in the wheel of the “dark side”.
@Mother Earth …. I’m growing more critical of Denninger,
I’ve always said that he is very patriotic !
I noticed his fury when he discovered that some European banks got bailed out via AIG’s rescue.
And yes, there is a big US move to “dis” the Euro.
I have mentioned this many times !
@ Phil / Germany
My opinion, only may be wrong and its not advice!.
Shaking and distracting the week and the greedy, whilst the kings get there way.
There is only one goal for the kings of the world and that is to accumulate gold.
To do this they must distract by causing temptations in other areas and destroy the motive to accumulate the stuff they want. What is very interesting is how limited there influence is becoming.
I suspect they will trash the lot in order that they get there way if needed.
Trying to put ideas of logic and structure behind these moves is not useful for me. Its simply distraction and accumulation, outright greed and fear to shake it out of the hands of the week.
Personally I find it entertaining, with consequences that could be frightening and depressing.
All other theories ring hollow…..:-)
Trouble is there are more greedy buyers than there is stupidity and the week.
Yup its to prop up Erny Berny Journey’s to ClusterF#@K (TM- Jon Stewart)the Economy even more
“I can’t tell you where the money has gone Senator
The first 350 Billion dollars
But mid next year I need another trillion dollars plz Senators”
Hic
Its all a poorly disguised bluff and not a very good one…
More paper anyone?
Its all over
Its time
OMG
Joe Scar is a bellend
who is the “US”,..or the “EU”,..where do they derive directive. Look to the heart of the beast, not it’s blood!
(fk!, that was poetic!) ; )
@Phil
I’m afraid patrotism leads to war. As long as the money is respected the sentiments are controlled by the banks. Why did the US allow itself to become so weak it seems to become more agressive by the day.
@ Dedo
“who is the “US”,..or the “EU”,..where do they derive directive. Look to the heart of the beast, not it’s blood!”
Do you have a link for that?
@ABGA,..There are many links, far to many to comprehend in a single paradigm.
T’was a great analogy though, huh,..beast,heart and blood!
Question for you,..If the human body was the economic social system we live in at present, could you correlate the composite parts?
@ Dedo
Probably not as well as you could.
Beginning to see a pattern here?
The Truth About Tamiflu
“Tamiflu may not be doing much good for patients with the flu who take it, and it might be causing harm. The more important issue, however, involves the need for trust in science and medicine. Governments, public health agencies, and international bodies such as the World Health Organization, have all based their decisions to recommend and stockpile Tamiflu on studies that had seemed independent, but had in fact been funded by the company and were authored almost entirely by Roche employees or paid academic consultants. So did the Cochrane Collaboration, at least in its earlier assessments of Tamiflu. Millions of flu patients have taken the drug as a result.”
http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200912u/tamiflu
@ABGA,..Go on, give it a bash!
It’s amazing how complex the whole system is though,.I’d love to see the computer that works out all the variables, must be quite the eye opener! : )
You can have a 100 Ron Pauls, and it would go all for not, under this current system.
TPB through their networks, would buy out , 90% of these well doers, and knock off the rest .
The whole thing has been torn down and built from the bottom up. Give up on all ISMS, think ahead.
Cold Fusion=free man
Technology must be allowed to advance not be retarded.
Why do men always look to others to lead them out of slavery, when each man is a leader unto himself. When we realize this humanity will grow beyond the limits of our chained reality.
Slaves Unite
@ Depression Alert
Earlier in this thread I posted an article related to the suppression of cold fusion technology. Let’s see… oh, here it is. This is really worth reading right through. You won’t find this discussed on the major “alternative” truther radio shows. Big no-no.
oops, here ’tis:
http://www.veronicachapman.com/nyc911/Jones-Kubiak.htm
@anything but green.again
Good link. Thanks
Go Paul!
@Gordo
“@ Apocalypto
No can do, the only thing he got right is stop causing wars everywhere. The FED is not the problem.”
If you believe that’s the only thing he got right, you’re proving my point. You Americans are idiots, and you vote for the dumbest, most inept, unethical, violent sociopaths who seem to be available at the time of your elections.
“It is the oligarchs/corporations/right wing that caused this.
Does Ron Paul look like an oligarch to you? Open your eyes (and mind). Is that even possible for an American to do now? Are your eyes glued shut by the rampaging brainwashing that has taken place down there in the past few decades? NFL, NASCAR, Jesus, guns, Walmart, McDonalds. America. America. Wat have you become? The beacon of hope has turning into a weak, flickering light.
And you have NOT always had the oligarchs. Your founding fathers were AGAINST such things as oligarchical constructs in government. Quit making excuses. You’re better than that (I hope).
@apocalypto
‘you americans are idiots’
vote for the dumbest…
you seem to have a lot of faith in our outsourced election process, ie diebold etc.
i don’t remember anyone talking about pallin or obama until the tv told us that’s what should be talked about
and infighting is exactly what the ptb are counting on
mission accopmlished
it’s a bit late for change folks
cuz’ now dissent is terrorism
thank you Apocalypto you have stated it clearly.
Americans are akin to domesticated farm animals. They are stupid,listless and easily led to slaughter. The single driving force in Amerikana is the compulsion to self-victimize. Americans love to chose leaders and situations that make them victims. Then they deny responsibility for that choice. This is the central characteristic shared with drunks,serious drug addicts,gambling obsessives,people caught up in family abuse cycles,obese over-eaters,etc.
Unfortunately this will not change. Any semblance of change may come as the bottom more rapidly approaches. Food riots and bank holidays will be a start but will lead first to facist assaults on minorities and more of the cycle of denial and blame. And the search for a new ‘Daddy’ will be renewed as it becomes clearer to the Sheeple that they need to replace the present Daddy figure with someone who is not impotent.
Nonetheless the very search for Daddy is in itself an act of socail denial. Until the Sheeple realize that they are Sheeple and then rebel one can forget about any meaningful socail or political developments in this place.
Many of us did not vote for GWBush. The vote was rigged again in 04 via diebold and a computer whiz named Mike Connell.
Mike Connell was under oath and giving deposition a few days before this last election when he received death threats from a few members of the Bush Adm. (read Chenney) Connell advised the judge and the justice department that he feared for his life. They ignored him really.
Connell was also a very accomplished pilot. After notifying the Judge and justice dep. he flew to Washington DC for a meeting. On his way back. his plane crashed and the Federal investigators said that he “ran out of fuel”…….Connell’s sister raised the question of sabotage and she has dropped off of the media radar. I hope she’s still alive.
I could go on. The American people who truly know what is going on in this country are afraid. Many of the original organizers for 911 Truth years ago have been “followed” let us say. A full program of disinformation has been launched against the 911 Truth movement and many groups have been infiltrated. It’s typical CIA.
Nothing “normal” has happened in the country since the assassination of JFK, MLK and RFK. A political and financial coup de’ tat took place then. It’s been slow at first, but you are seeing the racing toward the final end of this and a beginning of yet another one…..
It sickens me too about America and what has been a slow dumbing of the American people.
Looking back on the most recent elections including and especially this one, it appears that there is no choice for the American people in terms of governance. It’s all controlled. The presidential campagins are kubuki theater performances.
“The Tree of Liberty must be watered periodically with patriot’s blood”….
The last President who warned us of The Military Industrial Complex was Eisenhower, the President that followed him was John F. Kennedy. After that, we have had war after war for profit. Pure and simple.
We were a great country, but our history right from the beginning was about the landed rich and the poor underclass….the needle has moved back and forth throughout our history, but we are at last back at the same power struggle.
spot on naomi!