A weakened China is not happening any time soon. As for India LOL you have to be kidding me. India cannot even deal with China’s puppet state of pakistan. India is not a major world power at all.

No not some chinese, most chinese are living far better than how they had before. China was not even industrialized at all, until deng xaiopeng’s reforms. It was the definition of third world. During the 90s and this decade china has built up a lot more infrastructure and facilities to even make it more industrial. The purchasing power of the yuan will increase once the yuan is allowed to float, China doesn’t necessarily need the US. China is buying worthless treasuries now so that they can obtain the technology and expertise from the US to better improve their products. What is the US getting out of the relationship? Nothing. In fact the US standard of living has decreased dramatically in real terms, only to be subsidized by a ponzi credit bubble.

As for “human rights”, well until westerners give repatriations to the the native americans and reparations to the blacks they have no business in talking about “human rights” Not to mention all of their imperialistic activities around the world.

It is not just the horn of africa, there are also other parts in the south that china is building up in addition to se asia. Tribal groups can be controlled, the western imperialists pre-ww2 proved this. Of course post-ww2 the new westerern imperialists under america’s command proved to be incompetent naturally. All americans know about imperialism is genociding the native peoples and enslaving blacks, much less knowing about how to actually control far-away populations and keep them appeased in order to use them in a geopolitical strategic game.

As for war with china, a direct nuclear war is not going to happen. Do you think obama or gates is going to risk the nuclear annihilation of at least populated areas in california and new york? I’m sorry to tell you, but the pentagon is not that competent. They cannot even control iraq or afghanistan. They couldn’t defeat vietnam, korea and now pakistan. Sure they have better technology for now, but that technology is scattered across the globe, underused and there is also much lower troop morale for the US. If the us could not even win mere proxy wars with china, it can’t be expected to win a direct war.

As for russia, well russia has their own agenda right now they are only working with the west. They know who is in charge. Which nation has the world reserve currency again? The US. Putin is ex-kgb they have had long term goals for non-western supremacy in the world. In fact if russia were to get involved at a time when the US was fighting a civil war against its own citizens and a pacific war in china it would give them just the distraction to take out the US once and for all. China wants the asia-pacifc rim, oceania and south asia. Russia wants Europe, Central Asia and much of the middle east. These have been longterm goals for Russia. Anyway China doesn’t even need Russia for national defense, it can handle itself.

As for gordon chang and his followers, they are more likely to see civil war in the US first after the dollar collapses. Do you think that Joe Schmo is going to enjoy not being able to afford his xbox or his flat screen tv anymore? No. The dollar is what gives the defense department its outrageous spending capacity. Once the dollar goes, so goes the spending. Americans have been proven to be terribly inefficient in any kind of spending post-1971 after the abandoned the american system of economics and replaced it with the chicago school/montearist/keynesian unproductive chimera. Both the Chinese and the russians have done more with a lot less funding. The US cannot even handle insurgents in iraq.

Now, a story appears on Al Jazeera English service that Iraq has sent a military force to the area near a disputed oil well.

http://english.aljazeera.net/news/middleeast/2009/12/20091219214812646131.html

Iraqi authorities sent army and police forces to a staging ground about 1km from the well in the Fauqa oil field in southern Maysan province on Saturday, The Associated Press news agency reported, citing officials.

SOME Chinese are living far beyond what they could have imagined 20 years ago – Many many more have lost homes, livelihoods and land in outrageous state-sanctioned swindles. Not to mention access to education and health care under elitist privatization, savage oppression. But hey, let’s sweep all that provincial stuff under the carpet, right? Let’s all dream the idiocy of Yankee mall culture. Want to know why that labour force is so cheap and flexible? Take a look at what the rural peasant has left! They live in not more than sheds with dirt floors and no sewerage or running water! There are slaves conditions! What choice do they have, when even their livelihood is robbed them through massive pollution, corrupt marketeering? Yeah it’s great being an unskilled labourer with no prospect of saving anything or promotion, unreliable wages and far far from home. They get parcelled off to live in barracks on building sites, or sent to the new lebensraums of Tibet or Uigher-land with their deeply racist policies and naked exploitation. Oppressing someone else is supposed to make them feel less oppressed I guess. But let’s not stray too far from the brand new freeways and skyscrapers of the Mandarin wonderland, it could get nasty. It does get nasty.

I’m not defending Amerika. Amerika is indefensible.

But China’s supposed ‘free’ trade economy, is anything but free, much more than an economy. And it’s not just émigrés that are disillusioned. Amnesty International and similar international monitoring groups have been predicting social breakdown for some time. The gap between the haves and have-nots is just too stark, maintained with too injustice. There’s a reason these people throw themselves into airless containers in the hope of a niche in the sweatshops of backstreet USA. It looks good given their other options. Everyone back home is thrilled to see them leave.

As for the horn of Africa proving the new foodbowl for a Greater China – ah-ha ha ha – sorry – any idea what the geography of that part of the world is like? At best it supports very low density grazing. It’s about as fertile as Arizona. And since China has chosen to support and encourage tribal warfare, not to say genocide and tyranny there, it’s not about to turn into a rice paddy heaven anytime soon. See those kind of divisions run real deep, one tribe leads to another. Sudan is a basket case, and sooner or later its oil trump card will be threatened.

True, China cannot dump its US holdings without hurting itself, although as others have hinted on this thread, China’s been steadily diversifying – mainly into real estate and overseas industry – and pretty soon now it will want to call the tune. Whether Amerika is ready to dance will be mighty interesting. Everyone noticed Obama’s ‘deference’ on his recent visit. That’s being tactful. But Amerika these days is pretty much just a war economy – the industrial-military complex is all they have left – so you can bet it will be used judiciously. The war will not be anything reckless or conspicuous to start with. But it will be war, even if thought of as just the economy continued by other means. Allies are like trading partners, they’re always looking for advantage. I wouldn’t bet on Russia’s loyalties when its market share in Europe is looking so good. A weakened or divided China would suit everyone, especially India.

China’s consumption is suppressed due to the yuan being suppressed. It can come after a revaluation later on. Of course after the dollar collapses. The chinese in china are living far behind what they could have imagined even 20 years ago. Of course there is always the wishful thinking from the likes of self-hating chinese americans like Gordon Chang who has been predicting a collapse of china in 2006. On the basis of “freedom” and “democracy”, that is why there must be social unrest LOL. “Freedom” and “Democracy” sure did a lot for the Africans and Native Americans, didn’t it? Where is China going to obtain agricultural products and food? Well it has been making long-term deals with East African nations. For those who complain about the sudanese, they just look at western corporatist greedy leaders running many third world nations especially in africa and latin america today. As for forcefeeding consumption LOL, the US should try to do that once the currency collapses. That is if americans will be able to afford much at all.

As for war, are you joking? Do you think that pacified euros are going to risk a war with china or even russia? NO way. Remember China and Russia are long term military allies against the West. By the way the Chinese can dump their FX holdings if they wanted to start turmoil in the US. LOL the US is too weak to take on China strategically that is. Although, most likely the dollar will fall apart without chinese assistance. Presumably a panic starting elsewhere. Anywhere, the US government might end up having to deal with its own citizens. It wouldn’t have time for a war with China . If it decided to start a war anyway, it wouldn’t gain anything due to over reach already clearly present in the US empire, if anything the empire would come down quicker due to internal social unrest inside of it. Remember the US couldn’t even win a war with the Chinese proxies of North Korea, Vietnam and now even Pakistan. Even mao’s hellhole army was able to fend off the US in the 50s.

The bullshit will only run so far.

Is China the new consumerist engine that will kick-start the global capitalist conceit ‘one mo time’? Even with 100 million billionaires that still leaves 800 million slaves, and that curve just isn’t going to smooth out fast enough.

China can destroy its agricultural sector in the hope that massive industrialization = exports will mean it can buy food out of the mouths of the rest of the world – but where the fuck do they think the rest of the world is going to find the land to cultivate all that extra food? Ecologically, economically, it’s a nonsense heading to catastrophe.

Their economic model unfortunately has been the US – but the starkest illustration to be drawn from there is its unsustainability – its corruption and imperialist instinct. China’s ‘growth’ has been sensational – so are cancers. Interestingly, I hear coming out of Copenhagen, people blaming China for the failure to reach a realistic timetable to save the world climate. This sounds to me like a great pretext for a war against everyone’s favourite competitor.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0h7V3Twb-Qk

WTF?

Pickles

The winter set in hard cold
Left shriveled remnants of summer
Lastly
The pumpkin vine’s green waxed paper
Lines the garden with a graying trace
Of promise

My but the work
Set cumbered days to right
For on the shelf gleam
Severed summer memories
Glancing gold
Dancing light and darkness
Wizened vinegar glance

Peers at one
Piercing the casting
Set to reflect
Those eyes
Those lonely windows
Now upon empty rooms
Give notice

Rock me safe
In my wooden chair
Upon the deck plaits
Braided sound
Back and forth
Silver song sings

Better this way
Better dead
Better this way
Better better better
No, I couldn’t
Really explain
Why

Good night.

China has built empty cities before and they have inevitability been filled up, this is nothing new. China is urbanizing rapidly. China has also been investing in alternative energies greatly and strategic military goals. Much more efficient than the pentagon’s free money to the defense contractors with the largest lobbies strategy, regardless of long term strategic military goals.

As for domestic demand and the hoarding of commodities, china is doing this now while their dollars are actually worth something. Domestic demand will only come after a yuan revaluation. In a few years Ben’s green toilet paper is not going to mean anything.

Guess what else mish if china collapses, where will it get the funds to fight against the so-called coming of social unrest?

BY SELLING US TREASURIES hence INFLATION for the US. Say goodbye to your dollars mish.

Good Lord, own the physical gold. Paper is paper and can be manipulated on a computer screen.

Gold bullion coin. Numismatic coines have that “window” of value based on rarity or grading ….. in normal circumstances a portion of investment to have, but now? Bullion coin.

There’s my 2 cents worth OF GOLD, OF COURSE!

Crash Boom Bang!

Not necessarily a bad thing BTW.
The current system is rotten and needs change. So lets change it.
Short term pain for longer term gain.

Shame it had to get like this but as you say to your children, there are two ways to learn. Watch or do.
We did….and fucked it up.

The Price of a Chinese Apartment priced in Gold is not inflating.