Wo, dude. Hell of a fine rant and fine Xmas present for us minions out in Bizarro World.

All the best to everyone.

“…..reads like the first books of the old Testament” is, so DAMN FUNNY AND TRUE!

There’s too much pain out there in the real world and economy to laugh.

Now, taking it as an observer, stepping back emotionally is a good idea. In one of the last interviews given by George Carlin, who was very astute as to what has been going on for YEARS, said that was the only way to stay sane. To step back and watch the parade of clowns, assholes, thieves and criminals, politicians as a performance……I sure wish he was still around. Boy, he could do a rant like nobody else.

So, Max that may be where you are going here.

These political types are also murderers and assassins, that is the hardes part to take.

Reflections And Warnings – An Interview With Aaron Russo {Full Film}
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGAaPjqdbgQ
is the best – aaron russo is so obviously not full of shit
also, i’d love to see your list

You ignore the movement of the elite powerful to create a new international financial system with an inherent disregard for national sovereign choice in deference to an International Clearing Union as proscribed by Bretton Woods. Ignoring this post-industrial thrust with a view to reform the current moribund system is ill-advised and naive.

One might fly an ensign as a pirate for the crown interest, for the movement you foment is surely not ‘grassroots’ but plays directly into the hands of those who find it fun to watch and perhaps even bet on cock fights.

The Basel accords are not ignored, I’ve discussed them with you at length, but they aren’t directly relevant to every discussion.

Max is talking about extending the agency of activists; creating the means to enable people to act against corporations that offend them, if they wish to.

I’m wondering how that karmabanque mechanism might be made directly accessible, in order to tap into a potential mass market/movement for ‘virtual’ activism (even commiting capital to that) and to backing that with real life boycotts or campaigning.

I suspect access to the financial transaction and control over funds raised would have to be more direct. Maybe less reliant on others (like hedge funds seeking to capitalise on a boycott) and avoid creating a caste of fund managers; because surely after a short-attack, hedge funds would be just as happy to rake profits in on subsequent movement in the other direction.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDfgnfIWy8U&feature=fvw

What has happened since this “hearing”
Let’s Get’em.

What’s fun is pretending agency when there is none. It’s a side-bender laugh a minute.

Why do you both ignore the most pertinent information on finance in the last year?

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/japan-banks-capital-relief-may-be-short-lived-2009-12-15?reflink=MW_news_stmp

Fun and games with the deluded public, perhaps.

Paulson chose as clost to 1T as he could seeing as it is a line of credit and not a lump sum. The choice was to sell the American public to the same banking interests that have been served by the public prior to the collapse of the present international financial system.

http://www.marketwatch.com/story/new-basel-capital-rules-delayed-10-years-report-2009-12-15?reflink=MW_news_stmp

Fun is playing with the mouse before it dies: it dies from the play. So one can’t claim conspiratorial agency as much as contempt, right?

“In other words, différe/ance is one of those instances in which the order where speech expresses or manifests instantly and immediately—without delay, without confusion, without detachment (no remove)—self-present meaning or truth (as discerned by reason) is disrupted. What more, it is writing—supposedly but its derivative—that performs the function that speech is unable to. What was thus thought to be secondary—supposedly alien, lifeless, late; mere inscription, mere substitute, but supplementary—is revealed to have the primary function in the system—on which relies its very working.”

http://massthink.wordpress.com/2008/12/06/derridas-differance/

Function of life: that’s the question. Perhaps the mouse will have the last laugh?

…it’s fun. You get a real sense of power when you move the price of a stock or a commodity 20, 30, 40%.

I largely agree, though what someone someone like Paulson or Fuld choose to do, just for kicks, probably serves a slightly more power-oriented, even sadistic, sense of fun compared to others.

Maybe it’s a ‘we threatened them with marshal law!!! lolz’ kind of thing, but I agree, to really know a social or political movement, check out the after-party.

Anyway, you related power to fun, and for many it is I suppose. At the same time, most of those activists you’re criticising would talk in terms of ‘empowerment’, and maybe that’s a difference.

I can’t understand why the public doesn’t do the same thing to stocks when they want to ’send a message.’

If reality tv scandals can motivate more complaints and ‘virtual’ activism by phone/text/web/and social media than anything else shown in UK media, … then I suppose it’s only the means to engage with the same emotional commitment to taking a similarly modest financial stance against a corporation that might offend them.

That audience have their own sense of fun too, and more than a little glee if the believe they’re getting their point across by uniting behind a cause. But half of them aren’t old enough to trade. )

I think the biggest mistake activists make is taking these guys too seriously. Why not take down a stock like coke to zero just for the fun of it. Activists are so droopy and dull.

I think karmabanque is good as far as it goes, but to reach a critical mass it requires accessibility to the financial transaction within the bounds of financial services law (where does the money change hands), something easily executed that doesn’t potentially open up campaigners to being squeezed themselves, or passing over control to some caste of ‘fund-managers’.

How might karma-banking deal with an induced *rally* in bank or war stocks — was I the only person on 9/12 to consider how a Merchants of Death Fund might perform?

Anyway, you can short GS to death, but it’ll likely be yours before theirs. So go long kick-backs, based on some Corruption Index? Identifying targets ripe for handover to the shorts for boycott, perhaps funding the campaigns seeking to turn their momentum?