Stacy Summary: Yum. They hate us for our freedom. Yep, cuz they are so just so envious of how we live. (I love how they describe the company that injects ammonia into burgers as ‘entrepreneurial’ rather than ‘poisoners.’)
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@Mep
Very interesting video. Thank you for posting.
@Nick – while heat can kill bacteria, toxins it produces can be left behind, some of which are tasteless and odorless. Also, once bacteria has a foothold it will keep reproducing until it runs out of food, (thus producing those toxins) even in a frozen item albeit at a much slower pace. So along the lines of precooking to avoid spoilage before reaching the “consumer”, they irradiate some beef in the US. Hence my “irradiated feces burgers” description. Which is a truthful description of some burgers in the US market. When they think they’ll habitually fail to keep feces out of the “food” irradiation is part of their “solution”. Of course they leave feces out of the description and ingredients list.
how about cooking the meat? above 170F! i mean heat is a great way to kill bacteria. try it. you might like it!
Gerald Celente is very insightful and looks at things as they really are.
Stacy and Max: get Gerald Celente for a show!
Go vegan.
Good for you.
Good for me.
Good for the cows.
@ Bonn: “Obama Orders 1 Million US Troops to Prepare for Civil War …”
65 million of us -and we are armed.
So we shall see – 1 million vs. 65 million.
You know this history fact – why Tojo decided against invading the USA? He well understood how difficult it would’ve been to defeat 50 million armed red-necks (and if you believe -like ObamaBush bots do, that we’re all fat, dumb, materialists, who won’t do anything our TVs don’t tell us to do – think again).
Sure – they’ve got tanks, rockets, bombs, and more death-toys, but – ever heard of Vietnam war -how peasants defeated the greatest military the world ever knew.
Bring it on ObamaBush and all puppets of NWO-OWG. You’re first. Then we go for the puppet masters.
@Bonn … Have you seen OD by AJ ?
.. yes.
BTW, the 2012 Film seems to have flopped here in Germany. The first showing are now starting at 22:00 hrs. in the Cinema ! .. nothing earlier.
@ Phil / G
Just listening to Gerald Celente on Alex Jones Show
He forecasts that after the Bail out buble bursts Govt. ‘s take the people to War
So in the words of Gerald Celente “Terror 2010″
Also Just saw a Discovery Documantry on Obama
What crap All Hollywood Peeps saying he only accepted personal contributions for his capagine
I read some where his capagine or his swearing in as president cost 170 Million $
And did ya see that on each campagine speech running up to the election someone in the audience collapse
Dunno if ya seen Obama Deception by Alex Jones
Hic
@Alister .. 6 inches on snow today in NW Germany !
Finally some decent snow !
@Bonn … Obama Orders US Government To Begin Preparing For Biological Attack
How nice … and the “people” shouldn’t prepare ?
Global warming will save millions of lives
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/personal-view/4981028/Global-warming-will-save-millions-of-lives.html
Britain facing one of the coldest winters in 100 years, experts predict
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/weather/6921281/Britain-facing-one-of-the-coldest-winters-in-100-years-experts-predict.html
Climate ‘denial’ is now a mental disorder
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/4953981/Climate-denial-is-know-a-mental-disorder.html
& you expect the Chinese to take this seriously ?
Obama Orders 1 Million US Troops to Prepare for Civil War Posted by Europe on Nov 28, 2009
http://www.eutimes.net/2009/11/obama-orders-1-million-us-troops-to-prepare-for-civil-war/
A little Old but still
Amazing how things knit together:
As we go to press (early 1984) Bechtel Corporation has established a new company, Bechtel China, Inc., to
handle development, engineering and construction contracts for the Chinese government. The new ?resident of
Bechtel China, Inc. is Sydney B. Ford, formerly marketing manager of Bechtel Civil & Minerals, Inc. Currently
Bechtel is working on studies for the China National Coal Development Corporation and he China National
Offshore Oil Corporation – both, of course, Chinese Communist organizations.
It appears that Bechtel is now to play a similar role to that of Detroit based Albert Kahn, Inc., the firm that in
1928 undertook initial studies and planning for the First Five Year Plan in the Soviet Union.
By about the year 2000 Communist China will be a “superpower” built by American technology and skill.
http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2003/05/05/030505ta_talk_mayer
Obama Orders US Government To Begin Preparing For Biological Attack
http://www.eutimes.net/2010/01/obama-orders-us-government-to-begin-preparing-for-biological-attack/
Hmm err its geting scary folks I think the lunatics are gonna go ahead
Oh I eneterd me E-mail Id wrong
Thats why I propbably got moderated
Hic
Slow start to the new year
I wonder what 2010 Scam is gonna be
How does one divert Public attention
No new raving band pop band like ta Spice Girls
MJ went quitely into the nite probably high on Sleeping pills
What new Conflict awaits us Souls ????
Never seen somany straight Lines of Gold Silver and USD
I suspect people are waking up and say
“Tis aint right ! theres something a miss what can it be ?????”
Hic
@Stacy
Now y’all are getting down to the nitty gritty. Lets get into the origins of sodium fluoride. Dupont, Monsanto, and the chemical lobotomy of america post WW2! Mercury in corn syrup. Mercury in the vaccines.
You both are always puzzled at why there’s such a vacancy behind the gaze of Americans when there once was a vibrant soul! Find out why!!
Youtube the fluoride deception. Read it! Interview Christopher Bryson!
Tell the people!!
@ Daniel S – That’s true, I hadn’t thought about it that way.
Vega Man
Moot point, as long as we’re discussing the lack of NEWS between so-called ‘allied nations.’
I was not aware that 1,137 cars were burned by ‘rioting youth’ on New Years Eve. All youth?- I’m sure, Sarko!
Degas & Picassos stolen in the South – no big deal there, but it just incdicates that there is definately an effort to ‘keep them ignorant’ – everywhere newspapers are sold.
…I wonder if I could interject this one tiny last reminder about 2009? It was sad to hear about Bernie Madoff’s recent little ‘back room’ episode, although some ‘investors’ might I’m being a bit too ‘tounge-n-cheek.’
Mumms the word, boys, here’s to 25% monthly yeilds, and happy days again!!
McD may try to turn this around and sell burgers with extra ammonia.
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/local_news/stories/2010/01/01/chilly_weather.ART_ART_01-01-10_B1_B4G5TCL.html?sid=101
Real cold wave in Ohio. Doesn’t Obaaaaaaamma come from Ohio ? Global warning. Yeah sure. Whatever crap. Al Gore is a crook. There is no global warming and CO2 is good for Québec and Ontario and Western Canada. We need it. We want it hot. Minus 20 to minus 40. You warmers are very funny. Have you noriced how it’s hot ouside ? Specially in Canada. It’s a real scorcher out there. Hey Al Gore don’t come in Canada, we will make you eat snow till you freeze you fraudster mouth. The pseudo-science of global warming in 2010 will meett its Waterloo and its Stalingrad.
@Vega Man – Worse bull has passed through congress.
Have you seen the new Calvin Kleen explosive underwear. Cleans everything u, includin God mess ups. Would Lloyd Blankfien be ineterested wearing them ? You will all finish in a FEMA reeducation camp, you subversive elements. Hail to the lord bankster. Louis XIV alson taught he a mandate from God. It ended bad. Always ends bad. The God complex is well and alive in 2010. Al Gore will save the universe by selling his global crap. Hey Stacey and Max ! MINUS 20 in Toronto. In certains places in the USA it’s MINUS 40 ! And non I am not talking about Anchorage Alaska. Mumbo Jumbo God envoys will pullulate in 2010. Is Obanana the chosen one too ?
@n
oops!!!
@TSGordo
View from the bottom:
When you have run out of money, and you have to visit a food pantry, you eat what they give you and are damned thankful for it. Been there, did that. Many of us low-income people do not have the option of purchasing good quality food. If you are on food stamps, only certain business (large grocery stores) will take the EBT cards.
There is indeed a food co-op and CSA program in my area. I cannot afford it, and they don’t take food stamps. What I have been doing is slowly planting fruit trees and building raised beds in my garden, as I can afford it. I just had some lovely steamed Swiss chard with my lunch. If I get some extra funds, I am going to build a coop this spring and raise a few chickens for the eggs. For many people, these are not available options.
When Santa (Mom) asked what I wanted for Christmas, I told her toilet paper, tissues and paper towels. You see, food stamps only cover _food_, but not sundries. So you can take in food (or food-like substances), but not, um, deal with them on the way out.
@ronron, dude, eat more prions, yum-yum!
No offense intended, but let’s move on to something important. First, let me compliment everyone who has helped Max & Stacy come into their own as a powerful duo. This BBC interview is truly remarkably professional, which is not to discredit their rather cinema verite approach otherwise.
Brit, Ozzies, & Americans- actually having a public dialogue? It’s great to hear for the very first time a serious review of the common problems we now face. -Bravo, BBC & everyone that has helped our favorite financial couple to succeed (or succede) in ‘le grand styleee’ -mon! -Zeen?
(I don’t smoke anymore, but after THATshow, I’m definately going out to see if I can find some foxy female banker with a nice bum & a big blunt to celebrate the new year!)
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It’s to vomit.
Ammonia in hamburger….
Who needs “Alkaline water” when you can get all the pH adjustment you need in a triple bacon cheese burger.
Or eat E. coli (dog squeeze) tainted meat and chase it with a bottle of seltzer and ammonia. ahhhh…now I feel real clean inside.
This is another good reason to de-leverage from the corporate farms. If you stop consuming all the stuff you don’t need that’s being pitched to you on the tv. You may well be able to afford to take care of yourself with good foods.
The food industry is disgusting..they probably use cow manure to get the ammonia..
@Stacy & Max
This is an awesome documentary, called … “Monopoly Men: Federal Reserve Fraud”
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/monopoly-men/
@Mep:
Excitotoxins:
Sarah Palin writing ANOTHER book.
Cheney getting his face on a US postal stamp.
O’Reilly gets a children’s network program.
Newt Gingrich is actually listened to.
English is declared the national language of the US.
etc.
“I don’t know that the doctor who wrote that piece is a progressive. But as someone who considers herself a progressive, I’d say that your question is problematic. If people don’t know about what’s in their food, they can’t act.”
Excellent point, Mep, and well put. Yes, information might help. I just tend to cynic when regulation is being propelled as some form of aerosol cure for the sweat induced by our sanitized and industrialized divorce from nature. And I fear that those who promise us sustainable happiness are the ones forcing the chemicals down our unknowing or unwilling throats.
Appreciate your unerring devotion to helping: I truly do. No cynicism there: only despair.
Update on Our Brave New Slavery: Yes, It Applies to American Citizens, Too
http://chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/1893-update-on-our-brave-new-slavery-yes-it-applies-to-american-citizens-too.html
“The Supreme Court acquiesced to the president’s fervent request and, in a one-line ruling, let stand a lower court decision that declared torture an ordinary, expected consequence of military detention, while introducing a shocking new precedent for all future courts to follow: anyone who is arbitrarily declared a “suspected enemy combatant” by the president or his designated minions is no longer a “person.” They will simply cease to exist as a legal entity. They will have no inherent rights, no human rights, no legal standing whatsoever — save whatever modicum of process the government arbitrarily deigns to grant them from time to time, with its ever-shifting tribunals and show trials”.
(soz for the long link but i’m using a strange laptop)
Just heard the 5live show, very good and I see Max has learned to speek BBCese
happy new year all
off to the rink. bye y’all
Shit post.
i hope bonn hasn’t fallen asleap in a snowbank.
hic!
@Ignace. no insult intended, it’s all a lark.
herbert is sneaky that way.
nope not from kansas…
see ya next time…
@ron, so now you have some time to still keep a good average posting time….
well ilook into
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/the-ascent-of-money/
@Ignace. are you from kansas?
i think stacyherbert has thrown us a rotten burger and left us to our own design.
@ron, hahaha
just did the math. without me this thread would average 27 minutes between comments. when bonn’s around about 17 minutes. where the fuck is peak liver man. lazy prick.
@Ignace. you realize ounce you on the list, there’s no getting out.
@Ignace. saw these long ago. glad you found them. welcome to the list.
@ronron
definitely a must see…
also the former one
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/money-as-debt/
i wonder what it’s like sitting around in wigs and robes. fresh food and hand maidens.
should be shown at grade 4 and later as a reminder at highschool.
@Ignace. not only someone. i hope everyone soon.
did someone see this one
http://topdocumentaryfilms.com/money-as-debt-promises-unleashed/
Fahrenheit 451 should have been called Fahrenheit 852 — the temperature at which book paper spontaneously combusts.
A very groovy film (dir. Truffaut,1966).
there’s a biting cold here in s.ont.
@Mep. your not writing this down?
They should serve these burgers to Congress !
Reap what you sow.
Vega Man
i feel like martha stewart.
Alright, ronron, thanks. Will make a mental note.
@YepMep. 200 degrees.F
@ ronron – Sounds good, but can you really put a paper bag in the oven?!
@ harry_w – I hear you on the up front costs. It’s easy to write-off the cost-savings that will come in the long-term when one looks at the sticker-price of some of the necessary equipment. In the case of the fry cutter, I wasted a little over $10 on a piece of crap hand-held jobbie first that I found in a store. There was no way to get anywhere near enough leverage to actually cut through a potato, and I managed to slice a few of my fingers trying to push & pull the half-cut fries through the rest of the cutter. Canning equipment can be on the expensive side, too, but I’m so ready to shell out the cash, b/c I know what great tasting food and savings comes from just being able to grow some of your own without canning some for the winter months. As far as I know, that kind of stuff is still high-quality (the equipment) so the pricey initial costs are well-worth the investment.
I just finished listening to an interview with Mark Klein. He is the former AT&T technician who disclosed knowledge of his company’s cooperation with the United States National Security Agency (NSA) in installing network hardware to monitor and process American telecommunications.
You can listen to it here.
http://www.boilingfrogspost.com/2010/01/01/podcast-show-17/
The interview is conducted by Peter B. Collins and Sibel Edmunds as part of their Boiling Frog series. Sibel is the well known FBI whistleblower.
@ ronron, muuuuaaaaaa!
@ Mep, you’re right about home made, and the freedom of choice offered by simple tools. Unfortunately the up front costs always seem to outweigh the long term benefits in most people’s calculations.
@Mep. you might also try olive oil bubbling in a skillet. cut the potatoes like chips 3/16. you have to do small batches. keep them warm in the oven in a paper bag.
@ ronron – LOL! Your timing is what is uncanny. You’re right – I bugged out for a while, but just got home and decided to peek my head in here.
@ harry _ w – Bravo, bravo . . . well done, indeed!! I’ll add that thanks to my new kitchen tool, I’m now able to enjoy real freedom fries – ones that I make myself and have already saved a bunch of money on. A bag of frozen fries runs anywhere from $5-$6. While I don’t eat them a whole lot, I do love them and crave them from time to time. Now, I have the freedom to make my own! It’s under $3 for 5 large russet potatoes. And it only takes 2 of them to fill an entire cookie sheet with fries. (The size bag I used to buy would fill a sheet if we were having company & I decided to use the whole bag.) Homemade fries (I bake ‘em) taste SO MUCH BETTER than the store-bought stuff. There’s a filler in the store stuff, I think, that makes the consistency really weird; I didn’t notice it at all until I started making my own homemade fries. Ahhh, freedom fries!! Now I just have to start planting my own potatoes to make sure that I’m not eating GM crapola!
@Mep. your uncanny.
do you think there trying to break Big underwear.
Came across the following Jefferson quote in one of the many food documentaries that I’ve watched:
If people let government decide what foods they eat and what medicines they take, their bodies will soon be in as sorry a state as are the souls of those who live under tyranny.
Thomas Jefferson
@harry. mep fucked off hours ago.
@ Mep,
“dad’s chips were used as an example of excitotoxins”
The problem with them being that they’re designed so that the consumer’s “natural satiety switch is turned off” and “increase food cravings”.
i.e. Food engineered to reduce the human agency over individual outcome through consumption. The flip-side of ‘Freedom Fries‘
[I'm so very, very proud of that juxtaposition.]
@namarama. ok good. did you here from now on there gonna give everybody a weddgie before they can get on a plane.
@ danny
ATS bullion but as I say, messy
@ ronron
Your not drinking alone now kid.
Hello and Bye lolollololol
Under the radar…
Update on Our Brave New Slavery: Yes, It Applies to American Citizens, Too
I wrote a piece here a few days ago on a recent ruling by the Supreme Court, in which the justices agreed with the passionate plea of the Obama Administration to uphold — and establish as legal precedent — some of the most egregious of the Bush Administration’s authoritarian perversions. This was the gist of the ruling:
The Supreme Court acquiesced to the president’s fervent request and, in a one-line ruling, let stand a lower court decision that declared torture an ordinary, expected consequence of military detention, while introducing a shocking new precedent for all future courts to follow: anyone who is arbitrarily declared a “suspected enemy combatant” by the president or his designated minions is no longer a “person.” They will simply cease to exist as a legal entity. They will have no inherent rights, no human rights, no legal standing whatsoever — save whatever modicum of process the government arbitrarily deigns to grant them from time to time, with its ever-shifting tribunals and show trials.
One of the attorneys involved in the case rightly likened the ruling to the infamous 1857 Dred Scott decision, in which the Court declared that any person of African descent brought to the United States as a slave — or their descendants, even if they had been freed — could never be citizens of the United States and were not protected by the Constitution. They were non-persons under the law; sub-humans.
http://chris-floyd.com/component/content/article/1-latest-news/1893-update-on-our-brave-new-slavery-yes-it-applies-to-american-citizens-too.html
@Phil/Germany. sounds like mini washington. you can’t hold a candle to them.
anyway back to the food thing. have they fucked with my nuts.
@ronron … printing spree like in the US
We have lost 1/2 our buying power within 8 years .. thanks to the Euro !
The Maastrich Treaty was supposed to keep everyone below 63% debt/GDP ratio .
Of course, nobody even dares talk about this now !
As to ( False ) Flags … no thank you.
#1
The Eurocrats are so far removed from the (national) public, that most people feel that they have no relevance on our lives, except whenever to disciver a new law or rule that the Eurocrats have imposed upon us.
#2
The Eurocrat’s image so far is such that Brussels has become a “self service” shop … individual politicians filling their pockets as well as most countries trying to get something for nothing out of it.
The German populat TV program called “Stern TV” with Günther Jauch, did a long series on the “self service” of Brussel’s politicians.
It was mind boggling !
The ONLY guy that “blew the whistle” on them was an Austrian guy that did not belong to a political party ( self representation ).
This guy had literally “spied” on the all, taking notes, photographs etc. etc. … and spilled the beans to Stern TV.
Some examples were :
#1 booking “Cheap” flights for 100 EUros and charging the tax payer 800.
#2 getting other people to sign them into mettings ( because they could not attend ), to earn them IIRC 350 Euros for each meeting.
The TV program caused a big embarrassment in Brussels, such that they had a meeting on this one ( all attended this time which was quite ironic ), and stated they would from now on “all behave themselves” !
ROTFLMAO !
and furthermore they don’t all speak the same language in the US.
It’s been strongly denied that there is plans for a NAU. you know what that means. doh maybe i’m getting a new flag.
Have just checked out Resonace, no Truth About Markets scheduled, happy new year my arse.
Bah humbug.
crux
@Phil/Germany. do you think a new flag is in the wings for your kids to worship.
@Phil/Germany. Hi. you have a point but i didn’t think you guys went on a printing spree like in the US. that’s the cruz in my mind. but with all the phony shit going on it’s all a guess.
@ronron .. the States have one big advantage, they all speak the same language. The other advantage for the Fed. Govt. is that they salute one flag.
There is no allegiance to the Euro between the different Euro countries. It was forced upon them , without a vote !
@Phil/Germany. the US is huge and is divided up into states as you know. it is the same concept as the EU. some areas in the US do better than others. they all use the same currency.This is the same argument as some states are not willing to subsidize others.
@Phil/Germany. ounce uncle milty is quoted i walk.
Will The Euro Become The Most Hated Currency For 2010?
… Flaws of the Euro …
Countries that have joined the euro currency have unique challenges when economic times are tough. And we’ll likely find that the range of problems within the Eurozone will present a major threat to the euro’s lifespan.
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http://www.istockanalyst.com/article/viewarticle/articleid/3748045
The oil corporates and world rulers love the countries with oil and poppy seeds with most pharmaceuticals are made with so much they love to go over there and kill everyone to get thier oil. There is so much love going on.
i wish bonn woul’d get the fuck up. i need a drink. can’t drink alone. lazy prick.
@TJ. where was this loon when bush and cheney were doing the war crimes. a fucking birth certificate. this is what the US has come too. a fucking birth certificate. how about war crimes. fuck.
@TJ … This guy’s trying…
Is O a Teflon man ? … I remember the report on that big house he bought way under market price … no follow up AFAIK !
@Underfundedmentalist – Yes. I think of people who are trapped within the mindset of “consumer” as being children. They’re challenge is to overcome their addictions to distraction that helps them avoid connecting with a reality that includes realizing their irresponsibility and it’s costs. They need to overcome their mentally, socially, chemically, and physically toxic environment, and join the world of adults.
Freedom without responsibility is unsustainable. It’s just destructive abuse. The selfish/mindlessly free, is just someone who adds links to a chain of abuse/transgressions against others.
Globalization isolates the most obvious direct victims, but in the end, the means and the ends are the same, and the cycle harms the “consumer”. (In this case, people turned a blind eye to the suffering of cattle that have been objectified to an extreme.) Localization means accepting responsibility. Adult children say it costs too much to buy local. But the cost of buying local is the cost of dealing in reality, rather than denying the abuses involved in buying “cheaper”.
Is a toxin-laden toy really cheaper? If the toxin issue is resolved, is it still cheaper? They’ll still be financing a system that objectifies people, and that system will eventually be turned on the “consumer”. Well, not eventually. Immediately. But it’s hard to cut through the denial of people who don’t see the abuse of being labeled as a consumer in the first place. We’re part of a complete process, not one fragment. It’s an abusive lie to say otherwise.
The first step is to bring down Obama. This guy’s trying…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WosQyRltAVw
A PH of 10?!
Ya know, strong bases are used to clean grills while they are hot. They are harmful to lungs. Special gear has to be worn.
I wonder if a PH that high makes cooking these burgers harmful to workers, guests and anyone downwind. Also, I wonder if it helps keep the grills clean.
So disgusting.
Animals fed unnatural diets including their own ground up bodies and feces, injected with growth hormones and antibiotics, and then the sick are “culled” early, so that they’ll pass inspection, which means, put onto our tables and into our bodies. But that’s not enough, radiation, mutagen salts, and ammonia are thrown into the mix too?
Where’s the bada ba ba ba McDonald’s jingle?
How long until we learn that they’re feeding Death Row prisoners to us as “processing agent”s?
If the “free” market decides best, it’s a psychotic sadist to be sure. I’d rather decide “worse”.
well shot my diner…..let’s start cooking
@ Dan S
True, a consumer’s sense of freedom is conveinence.
We have been taught that freedom means care free living.
We certainly have become free of care.
If a nation of people understand Freedom as being somehow separate from Responsibility, then perhaps it is fair to say they’re hated for their Freedom, or at least the way in which they relate to and express their Freedom.
In fact Fulliautomatix’s relationship with Cacofonix is even stranger. Fulliautomatix HATES Cacofonix singing, but he WANTS Cacofonix to sing, even if it is just so he can have the pleasure of bashing people.
Fulliautomatix is the village blacksmith, and can forge iron with his bare hands (but only after taking the magic potion). He likes to emulate the tough “macho” image. The only thing that can break his image is wife, the seemingly only person that can get him down (see Asterix and the Secret Weapon).
Should Max do more singing in his Shows?
Of cause Stacy will encourage Max for singing out loud and you can be sure she will give Max some prudent advice if desperately needed.
Asterix & Obelix’s Fulliautomatix will advice Assurancetourix (Cacofonix) not to sing. http://tinyurl.com/ya4n785
Even if it’s the advice from just some blacksmith with a hamer, from some village http://tinyurl.com/ydp3637 ( which can be a lonely place sometimes)
He merely tries to encourage Cacofonix in making the right sensible decisions in a more feasible ways of thinking, that’s all! http://tinyurl.com/ye4rhj8
@YouriCarma. i counted 7 pigs there.LOL
I learned about Tesco and some general supermarket secrets watching this documentary.
@ frances – I don’t know that the doctor who wrote that piece is a progressive. But as someone who considers herself a progressive, I’d say that your question is problematic. If people don’t know about what’s in their food, they can’t act. As it stands now, we actually have libel laws in some states making it illegal to speak about food giants. The industries are shielded in many ways legally and then protected even more by the very agencies that are supposed to be protecting the integrity of the food system and ensuring its safety for consumers. In the case of “dad,” obviously, he must be smart enough to know that corn chips aren’t a health food. Does he know what the effect of the additives are on his health, I don’t know. But dad’s chips were used as an example of excitotoxins, and given the quality of our media, I doubt that most people have any idea of what they are.
@stacyherbert
I think what these BBQ rednecks trying to say is that you always have to be sure that the meat is well done cause that kills off the bacteria and all http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6w3AVSNzxT4
this caught my eye. irish atheists challenge new law. soon you will be forced to believe.
There’s a little flick called king corn. check it out.
Did you ever wonder why Dad could sit down in front of the television to watch the ball game and eat an entire package of corn chips? It’s the Dr. Strangelove additions designed in the lab to make that food so tasty, Dad’s natural satiety switch is turned off.
“Dad” sounds more like a lab rat than a human being. If “Dad” is that clueless to his own wellbeing, then he might as well be shown by the Four H club at the county fair.
Why do progressives divorce human agency from individual outcome?
this thread is making me ill.
@Ignace. lady bugs and lice. WOW
@ Stacy – Re: obesity, excitotoxins were mentioned in a recent HuffPost article:
These food additives, with unpronounceable names and unknown derivatives are known categorically as excitotoxins. Did you ever wonder why Dad could sit down in front of the television to watch the ball game and eat an entire package of corn chips? It’s the Dr. Strangelove additions designed in the lab to make that food so tasty, Dad’s natural satiety switch is turned off.
Those added chemicals, which by the way, even show up on fresh produce that isn’t organic by way of sprays and dips, and chemical baths, can derail any weight loss program. Chemicals can increase food cravings, cause water retention, and can actually cause weight gain. These same additives are often allergenic, and can cause insulin to spike, playing havoc with those people who are pre-diabetic, or diabetic.
Full article.
I don’t eat too much meat, but was really surprised to find that when I switched to grass-fed beef and free range/organic chicken and other meat products, I lost 10 pounds within a month and a half. (Probably had to do with the fact that we started buying the majority of our produce from farmer’s markets and growing some of our own at the same time.) Before we went grass-fed, the beef we bought was 90-10 and we thought that was lean, but I tell ya, when I fry up grass-fed beef, there is literally no grease/fat in the pan, and it’s just amazing to me to think that once upon a time, that was the quality of beef that most people ate.
On the ammonia, I’ve heard that if “ranchers” at the feed-lots took their cattle off of their corn-based diets for just 5 days and fed them grass, the majority of the e. coli would clear up. Guess that’s too much to ask since ammonia baths interfere less with the whole process.
the pain is likely to fall on the masses. this guy is smart. i mean who would have thought that
Someone who is paid to protect the true criminals.
here in the netherlands we have a program explaining how food is made.
it is called “Keuringsdienst van Waarde”
here a subtitled promo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wMCbZwhrTE0
and a subtitled promo where children investigated pizza, chips, etc…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2qW9yyiEJk
it is really amazing, what we eat…
if you understand dutch, all sequels can be viewed here
http://www.uitzendinggemist.nl/index.php/search?serID=272&md5=04f70698ab53a851b2d62ddfef618789&sq=keuringsdienst
What is wrong with Cheez Whiz Damn I love that stuff on hot dogs try it sometime
On the edge is the best never miss Max is always DEAD ON!
@Snoot. the pain is likely to fall on the masses. this guy is smart. i mean who would have thought that.
@Snoot if you give me funny money i buy metal. just my perverted thinking.
ronron:
That Economist article is one of the stupidest things I’ve seen in print. Read the clueless comments following.
ronron:
Well. If you give me some funny money I’ll go on a vacate-shun and leave y’all to count yur gold.
“The patient is recovering but is still rather too dependent on the drug of government support. ”
The patient, as Soros has indicated, is dead as a doornail. Collapse was averted by the government’s Talf program.
@Snoot you really on your game today. have you noticed all these poker shows on the tube with audiences applauding the players. i spent my whole life teaching my kids about the pitfalls of gambling. now if you don’t gamble your considered strange. strange.
“All this may lead to a turbulent year in the currency markets. The idea of the “law of volatility” is that you can control risks in some parts of the system but not in them all.”
http://www.economist.com/businessfinance/displayStory.cfm?story_id=15176497
SDR mitigates volitility. It is flat-out ridiculous that the sdr is not included in this essay.
Cheap food is a great derivative spread for Goldman Sucks and JP Morgan.
That’s why food is cheap and the average American serf can’t afford to eat proper food.
This is just another example of how the American sucker believes that Warren Buffet @Goldman Sucks has a divine right to profit using fraudelant financial scams like worthless derivatives and credit-default swaps.
AMERICA LOVES BEING A SUCKER!!!!
America loves flipping burgers, swabbing out toilets, stocking shelves and mopping up floors for a living while Warren Buffet @Goldman Sucks gets all of the tax revenue.
THEY LOVE IT!
AMERICA LOVES ITS SERFDOM AND NEO-FUEDALISM!!!
SERFDOM IS GOOOOOODDDD!!!!
Keep them dumb and stupid, The ammonia, the mercury and the fluoride helps a lot. By the way ALL the anti-depressants are made from a fluoride molecule. Keeps the cows and the bulls quiet and contented. Originally fluoride was used by the Nazis in the concentration camps to keep the people quiet.
And ammonia bet you does the same thing and tastes real yummy yummy. Nothing like a good piece of beef tasting a certain bodily fluid. Not even a joke. That’s why I almost puke when I pass near by a McDonald. You will notice that effectively it really smells ammonia. I thought it was vinnegar. McDonald smells a lot like a frigidaire leaking ammonia. Thanks for the info.
http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Indexes+of+the+foreign+exchange+value+of+the+dollar-a0134619031
“If a currency depreciates persistently–for example, because of high domestic inflation–an exchange rate index that includes that currency will increase markedly even if the currency’s weight is small.”
dollar demise will knock out other currencies included in the traded basket by increasing their value and killing the export market of their goods…this situation is toxic and will result in a complete retooling of the matrix called money
The point to the sdr is that the liquidity is being provided for the inevitable collapse of our livelihoods.
Gold will be inconsequential to the movement to the new system: it is being used now by the IMF to enhance and enlarge sdr viability and the subsequent continued milking of the world’s population by the big boys.
@Stacy: “I don’t believe in the US growers are allowed to advertise that you do not use GM products . . . ?”
Yet they can say 100% FAT free!?
ronron:
Dr. Rema most likely was allowed to speak else she wouldn’t still be around.
shock and awe needs some advance notice
In a different universe, at approximately the same time…
http://www.wired.com/underwire/2009/12/alt-text-segway
@brain. the US has been morally bankrupt for at least 60 years.
@Snoot you got my attention on this. lets hope Dr. Rema doesn’t get suicided.
The move to dump the dollar would indicate a move away from all paper currencies.
what goes around, really goes around; there will be no end to this madness until the entire country is physically, socially, economically & morally bankrupt… which begs the question – how are we still functioning now, having long past said Rubicons of dystopia?
Here are the cooperative international agencies faciliating the codex enforcement:
http://www.oie.int/eng/en_index.htm
http://aims.fao.org/en/kos/food-safety-ontology-ipfsaph-0
http://www.standardsfacility.org/
https://www.ippc.int/IPP/En/default.jsp
http://www.who.int/ipcs/food/jecfa/en/
http://www.who.int/ipcs/food/jmpr/en/
http://www.codexalimentarius.net/web/jemra.jsp
These standards DO NOT support the health of individuals. The bovine growth hormone would be MANDATED for us in ALL milk.
http://www.naturalnews.com/024128_CODEX_food_health.html
Ammonia and meat shouldn’t meet, it may kill bugs but god knows what a highly reactive chemical does with industrial slaughterhouse waste (formerly classified as) catfood. Anyway. quit burgers long ago.
@Snoot. read something to the effect of outlawing people growing there own food. can’t remember where. is this what you refer to. i love you.
http://www.nu.nl/economie/2154302/belgen-eisen-14-miljard-terug-van-lehman.html
Belgians demand 14 billion back from Lehman (diy translation with google..)
The Codex regulations are akin to forced euthansia on the common man supported by the press through negligent reporting and the politico through legal enforcement.
There’s never just one cockroach in the kitchen.
Warren Buffett
Iceland Agrees to Repay British and Dutch Savers $5.4 Billion
http://digitaljournal.com/article/284759
International movement to dump dollar gains support
http://www.scrippsnews.com/node/50221
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UNDERWEAR BOMBER (From Jenna Orkin)
The father of Umar (23yr old alleged terrorist) – who purportedly warned the CIA of his son’s worrisome beliefs six weeks before they came to fruition in the alleged terrorist attempt – is not only the prominent banker that has been portrayed in the media; he has also held powerful positions in energy (both electricity and oil,) communications and defense.
“Dr. Umaru Abdul Mutallab has held senior management positions in the Defense Industries Corporation of Nigeria (DIC),… has also served as chairman of the National Electrical Power Authority (NEPA)… and is on the board… of the Nigerian Communication Commission..”
http://tinyurl.com/y8fxnbx
The New Nigeria Development Company of which Dr. Mutallab was General Manager, has a deal with GAZPROM to analyze three oil blocks in the Northern part of the country (the Muslim part, where the rifles are being manufactured.)
http://tinyurl.com/y8ks3ak
http://mikeruppert.blogspot.com/2010/01/father-of-terrorist.html
@Stacy:
Unfortunatlely, the codex regulations supported by the EU and the FAO are not supported of individual choice in healthy food but concerned with profit margins for the already binding aspect of large seed corps. and big pharma. Any US legal requirements now enacted will only further reduce the alimentary viability of Marge and Maggie the Cheetums.
Anybody with one oz of common sense who takes the time to investigate the practices of meat packing giants such as Tyson and JBS SA, will know that the process of housing tens of thousands of cows in small pens with NO walking around space where the cows stand in knee-deep feces is a recipe for disease. I am surprised at the LACK of ecoli and salmonella in our society although a “google” of recalls reveals many more issues than reported by MSM.
Well, I wouldn’t worry too much. Access to food for Americans will be limited after the international monetary system is ‘reformed’. Most probably the Times is supporting further state intrusion into private farmer’s industry.
Isn’t the Codex Alimentarius now a regulation? The date for that codex to come into power was yesterday: we should see great moves now to organize the vitamin and food industries into line with the codex regs. Strictly not reported, right?
http://www.wto.org/english/thewto_e/coher_e/wto_codex_e.htm
@Harry – all the US lobbyists have set up shop in Brussels, so, yes, they just need to lobby one group of people; at least, so far, Europeans are allowed to be told by the sellers what they are or are not eating; so you see “Sans GMO” on many products here; I don’t believe in the US growers are allowed to advertise that you do not use GM products . . . ?
@ronron – re: the vulgar chickens; I think it’s the same all around the world; chicken, cows and pigs are universally abused in the factory farm assembly line system; I don’t eat much meat these days, but when I do I try to make sure it is free range / organic, not so much for the toxins but I can’t bear to think about the miserable lives that the animals led in the factory farms prior to my consumption
And yes, the EU is great because now Monsanto only has to go to one desk instead of the gazillion of each country. And with the great influence we, as citizens, have on the higher echelons of the EU (read: NONE) this can make a nice situation.
Ammonia!? So the EU will soon adapt this as a sane method as well?
@snoot – I suppose I should add, “without their knowledge;” when someone goes in to a clinic requesting euthanasia, they pretty much know what they get for their purchase; I don’t believe most people understand what is in the many food products sold at fast food restaurants or in packages in supermarkets and they might think it is real food with real nutrients and not ‘pink slime’ filled with toxic materials
to allow people consume these toxins
That’s odd, Stacey. I thought progressives supported the individual’s right to assisted suicide.
i’ve been a guerilla community gardener for years. amazing what can be done with a vacant lot and a few seeds… changes urban blight into vibrant neighborhood jewels.
1 January 2010, WOW! Judge dismisses all charges in 2007 Baghdad Blackwater shooting http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/12/31/AR2009123101936.html?hpid=topnews
1 January 2010, Iraq threatens action after Blackwater case collapses is thrown out Officials and relatives of 17 Iraqis killed in Baghdad react with fury to US judge’s decision to dismiss all charges. http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jan/01/iraq-us-blackwater-case-trial?CMP=AFCYAH
2 January 2010, Day of mixed emotions in Baghdad: Elation for U.S., but anger for Iraqis http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/01/01/AR2010010100589.html?wpisrc=newsletter
@Anyone got an opinion on what the implications of veitnam shutting down the paper gold market?
Link provided does not work. It must be:
http://www.naturalmoney.org/introduction.html
http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/
Oh actually I ate very good food in NY. I get hungry when I think of it.But I think the majority of the poorer people eat different industrtialized food. This is teh other way around in countries like Marokko etc. They eat really healthy pure food.
Liberty and freedom are trigger words.
Our political debate is shaped by Hegelian dialectic. The basic idea behind Hegelian dialectic is that solving a conflict of opposing sides will lead to progress. The conflict between capitalism versus socialism or free market versus government was the fundamental theme in most of our political debate for over a century because wealth is not distributed based on need or economic achievement. Both ideologies state that they have the best intentions for mankind. However only understanding the underlying cause of a conflict can solve the conflict if both sides share the same basic principles. The underlying cause of the conflict between capitalism an socialism is usury, which is the charging of interest on money (see also: http://www.naturalmoney.org/introduction.html).
The result of Hegelian dialectic and political debate is that the use of trigger words activates predetermined responses from individuals depending on their political or religious views. The responses are based on belief systems that generate emotions like “this is good” or “this is bad”. Some of those trigger words are: free markets, government intervention, Capitalism, Communism, Nazism, racism, anti-Semitism, Jews, blacks, gay marriage, abortion, Islam, Zionism, intelligent design, liberals and conservatives.
Karl Marx thought of class struggle as a dialectic conflict with a predetermined outcome. However the Hegelian dialectic will not necessarily promote the communist agenda. It can also be used to create a corporate police state ruled by oligarchs.
@StacyHerbrt. what they do to chickens in canada is more vulgar than my mouth.
In the danger zone of sounding too stupid… what exactly is the difference (if any) between freedom and liberty? sometimes it seems they are given different meanings but then again both words are mixed to tell the same thing… to give it a try; general use of freedom=personal freedom, liberty=civic freedom?
@henk – I might add that not all food products made in the US are bad; in fact, one of the best food / beverage seasoning products in the world is made in Louisiana . . . by a company that has been family run for five generations . . . and that is Tabasco Sauce
@stacy: The whole culture/life style is designed/promoted to not move/exercise. for example like 90% of the kids take the bus to school, get poisoned food/terrible artificial sweet drinks, then you need to take a car to work/supermarket/anywhere because america is one big shoppingmall/parkinglot. Advertisement plays a big role as well; “merchants of cool”. Red bull/energy drinks is a horrible drink if you look at the ingredients; caffeine is a drug yet the youth can’t get enough of it (everywhere red bull can be seen the power of a brand). The elitist all grow their own food, the queen of england etc. they know it is poison. I think purchasing power also plays a big role; that’s why the minority groups have more obesity/diabetes 2 etc. Organic food is many times more expensive. The high fructose corn syrup products and irradiated foods etc. are very cheap, someone that has to turn around every penny definably watches prices. That’s why wall mart and other huge retailers that use slave labour keep gaining higher profits, because people have less money and want the cheapest products. Which causes only a downward spiral of more bad paid jobs with less benefits, more costumers at cheap places/less demand for “real local healthy products”, higher profits etc. I totally agree that the food production is a horror show, but what people don’t know or don’t see they THINK that it can’t hurt them. If people knew about the possible consequences and all the poison (almost forgot pesticides which are used more intense or higher concentrations due to resistant species while there are organic solutions if corn wasn’t subsidised so farmers have to grow as much as possible to make any decent living) They would think twice about where and what to buy. (king corn, food inc, the world according to monsanto, food matters are some nice documentaries about food production although it is like anything coloured/subjective, could come up with more but this is from the top of my mind)
shoe bomber, remove your shoes. underware bomber?
By the way stacy,
I never tasted any pralines as good as in Yport. It is worth the trip to get hem in this lovely little store. Hmmm get hungry right away.
Fruits de mere and then some sweet…..
you can’t make this shit up. fucking garbage food. they hate us for are burgers. not.
@ stacy
Looks lovely. I guess I can put in the holes in the wall too.
@henk – ever come across Cheez-Whiz?
As cheeslover I was horrefied what is called cheese in the US. Rubber is more the word for it.
@AM – the food Americans eat is truly a horror show; I’m sure it is directly related to the quality of the obesity of the average American too; and yet this doesn’t seem to be a political issue; most people don’t seem to have any idea or concern about cause and effect; and, in fact, those who point out the horror of the epidemic of morbid obesity or of the adults having to ride around on tricycles are the people usually attacked as being elitist or something like that; when it is elitist (and imoral) I think to allow people consume these toxins and non-food sludge for the profits of two or three mega corporations and their shareholders
They hate us for our freedom, that’s why you must sacrifice your liberty and privacy for safety and security (that proves not to work, because governments allow/stage/sponsor terror attacks). http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/19/us/19viruses.html?_r=2&oref=slogin&oref=slogin http://www.fda.gov/Food/FoodIngredientsPackaging/IrradiatedFoodPackaging/ucm135143.htm then there’s cow hormones, injecting cattle with medicine because of the dire living conditions or genetically modified foods, feeding dead diseased animals to cattle/pets etc. Not that the EU is great, specially now monsanto’s modified corn is approved by the food agency EFSA, Yet i would never even dare to eat non organic food/meat in America. Quite interesting instead of improving hygiene they added toxins to kill bacteria, while critics already spoke out against it from the start; and now they will review it. How come the FDA says; it was perfectly safe then? because all these organisations are corrupt to the bone depending on funds/popularity contests etc.