Stacy Summary: The lobbyists for these chemical manufacturers have been very busy planting all sorts of propaganda in European media about how consumers are deprived of lower prices and innovation because the ‘nanny state ‘insists on naming these 17,000 chemicals which are allowed to remain secret if transparency will harm profits. The fact is, however, that it is the American firms and their lobbyists that are the abusive nannies intervening all over the world, force feeding populations with toxic chemicals, dangerous financial products and deadly food-like products.
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Why don’t we get a prohibition of stupid politicians and lobbyists Act?
Ah nevermind..
As long as fat joe can eat his burgers everything is aaaalright!
I guess we can’t afford transparent price discovery these days.
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Your point is
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Yeah, the muffin I just ate had some kind of aluminum in it. They bribed me with tasty convenience and I relented.
I think it goes hand in hand with consistent efforts to train people in viewing themselves as objects. We are a collection of processes that healthy people nurture to maintain their well-being. We are in a constant state of physical and psychological change. I believe Buddhists mean that when they say Anatta, that the idea of a permanent self is illusion. If you get someone to see himself as an object, then they’re operating from a false paradigm that encourages neglect of the processes that underpin their health, and self-harm or harm by others seems less significant.
Also, we tend to project the understanding we have of ourselves onto others and the workings of the world. So if I see myself as an object, I’m more likely to see nature as merely a collection of objects with trivial and abstract value. It’s just dirt, it’s just a tree, it’s just air.
How do you guys like my avatar?
Canada, I am fairly certain — has a similar chemical secrecy law and shorter list (?) of permitted secret chemicals.
The EU and UK also has a similar and parallel arrangement.
I don’t know about Australasia.
There probably should be a Wiki page on this, as these lists are important for the industrial chemist to know.
Lovely avatar dan!
If we new the price of clean food
we would all realize that we ae poor.
Is that inflation?
Would Dr. Frankenstein be shocked by this lesson in chemistry?
Some lipsticks by big brands have different ingredients for identical lipstick colors depending on whether the sales are in the EU or in the US. People from the US prefer the product available there, co workers say they “taste better.”
Maybe sweet like the paint chips you hear about…
yummmy,…….. a smorgasbord,……..
And then you are not yet talking about the widely known toxic and harmful chemicals..
Part of the push behind a No vote in the recent Lisbon treaty came from American industry, they would love to dismantle the reasonably tough legislation protecting Europeans form poisonous products, Europe didn’t receive poisonous toys, milk, etc, from China.
Just a little Info for those who didnt know
Germany is LITERALLY not a free country
and judically not a state but a colony.
http://bruno-buike.blogspot.com/2009/07/why-is-german-constitution-called.html
Get ready for some sort of ‘event’ on Youtube tomorrow . . . http://www.techcrunch.com/2010/01/04/4chan-youtube-porn/
@jonz … Just a little Info for those who didnt know
Yes, I knew .. and posted here on this subject a few times.
I mentioned that the German Govt. pre-Mauerfall ( Berlin Wall) had to ask permission from NATO to be able to change certain laws.
Thx for the link, the guy is from Neuss in NW Germany I see.
Like I said they wanna kill peeps
China will soon have the power to switch off the lights in the West
The recent hanging of Briton Akmal Shaikh in China proves that Beijing has no need to worry about what Britain thinks, argues Con Coughlin.
Published: 7:00AM GMT 03 Jan 2010
The year is 2050, and a diplomatic dispute between China and Britain risks escalating into all-out war. But rather than launching a barrage of ballistic missiles and jet fighters to destroy key British targets, Beijing has a far simpler plan for defeating its enemy. It simply turns off the lights.
At the flick of a switch elite teams of Chinese hackers attached to the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) launch a hi-tech assault on Britain’s computer systems, with devastating consequences. Within minutes the country’s power stations, water companies, air traffic control, government and financial systems are totally shut down.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/6924710/China-will-soon-have-the-power-to-switch-off-the-lights-in-the-West.html
http://tinyurl.com/yeb96e3
Da ya really tink tis is fake ???
ty Underfundedmentalist.
Yeah, a troubling thing to me is when the gap in upfront price between say, an organic free-range chicken and a factory-farm chicken, is so great, then what is the full extent of the harm the factory-farm (and chain of activity in support of it), does to extract that price gap? Given their throughput, what is the full extent of that harm over say, a year of KFC operations? It gets really absurd when you consider that many of these parasites don’t even turn a “profit” for themselves at these expenses to others. It’s everybody lose.
What resonates most with me is the fact you can’t simply catch a fish and cook it for lunch. You have to pay for very limited permissions to catch specific fish at specific times and check for the levels of contamination, limiting your intake to “safe” levels of poison through infrequent eating. That’s poor imo.
Ya gotta understand they wrote the Religious books
So when a prophecy comes true everyone goes ooooohhhh and aaaaahhhhhhh
Plus they follow that timeline astroligically too
I’ve lost count of the number of times I’ve heard US agri-business spokesmen, including at least one within the Bush admin., work themselves up into snits denouncing the immorality of depriving the third world of GMO’s.
@TMOG
immorality of depriving the third world of GMO’s.
We don’t want GMO
Guess ya have’nt seen Food Inc.
Food, Inc. – 1 of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8LtoBAP6myA
Hic
We just wanna be left alone for us to grow are own crops
@Bonn, There seems to be a consensus among German philologists that “Revelations” is a forgery. l have read some especially far out conspiracy theories about shadow US gov’t. efforts to bring history into line with those prophecies. That would dovetail nicely with the political manipulation of fundamentalists. Kind of like Aztec priests being able to get more human sacrifices because they could predict solar eclipses.
Stacey:
Firemaster 550 is a product of BASF, a German chemical corp. Why label this phenomena ‘American’?
I think it was Lativia which was given a loan by the IMF with the condition that they could’nt invest in new Industry’s
Hic
Now they broke I think
These Dummasses wants a population that only consumes
One little draw back there
If the dude doesnt have a job howz he gonna buy half a dozen eggs for 2 bucks ????
@Phil/Germany:
Has the press now conjured China as a new enemy of the West?
Iraq and Washington’s ‘seeds of democracy’
‘When George W. Bush spoke of planting the ‘seeds of democracy’ few realized he might have had in mind Monsanto seeds….
Iraq is part of Mesopotamia, the cradle of civilization, where the fertile valley between the Tigris and Euphrates rivers created ideal conditions for crop cultivation. Iraqi farmers have existed since approximately 8,000 B.C. and had developed the rich seed variety for almost every variety of wheat used in the world today. They did this through a system of saving a share of seeds and replanting, developing new naturally resistant hybrid varieties through the new plantings.
For years, the Iraqis had held samples of such precious natural seed varieties in a national seed bank, located, ironically, in Abu Ghraib….’
http://www.engdahl.oilgeopolitics.net/GMO/Iraq_and_seeds_of_democracy/iraq_and_seeds_of_democracy.HTM
@TMFG
Zecharia Sitchin
Jordon Maxwell
Mayan Calander
Jason Martell –>
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mHe211mLV0&feature=related
Sumerian culture sun god horus
Should get ya started these all have the same fabric wowen into recent religions
the sun goes down on the horizon for 3 days and then rises on the 3rd day with a bunch of 3 other stars at particular positions
tats wat al tat cristianity is about
Hic
Iran bans contact with 60 ['Western'] groups
http://news.theage.com.au/breaking-news-world/iran-bans-contact-with-60-groups-20100105-lsg5.html
@Stacy
I’ll make some vegetable porn
@Stacyherbert. looks interesting. I”ll watch for that. thanks.
@frances … China / who can blame them ?
One of Max’s favourite topics , The Opium Wars .
…Much of China’s reluctance to engage constructively with the West on issues of mutual concern dates back to the psychological trauma the country suffered during the Opium Wars of the nineteenth century, when British gunboats routinely humiliated the Chinese government of the day. The deep feelings of resentment most Chinese feel for the humiliation they suffered continues to this day, and was even reflected in the official statement issued by the Chinese Embassy in London following Shaikh’s execution. It said the “strong resentment” felt by the Chinese public to drug traffickers was based “on the bitter memory of history”.
To ensure that there is no repeat of a time when foreign powers could push the Chinese people around with impunity, Beijing is today investing enormous effort into developing technology that would render the West’s superior military firepower useless.
@Bonn
So what? Some dressed up (according to Nixon mostly gay) San Franaciscan elitist burning an effigy in front of a giant owl..Never had a BBQ?
@Manfromglad. “forgery” mythology is my take.
@MotherrEarth. just a fun barbi. that clears things up for me.
@frances .. Telegraph
I know the T likes to dramatize to get page-hits, but I have always thought that China will want to make sure they are never again in a weak situation versus the Western PTB.
400,000 Engineers graduate PER YEAR in China.
China has ca. 160+ mio. Internet Users ; Germany has ca. 35 mio.
The Chinese schools are all about discipline and results.
The Chinese are very bright and hard-working
China doing BIG deals on Hi-Tech with Germany
China doing BIG deals with BRIC countries for resources
During the boom, China built a city the size of Philadelphia EVERY MONTH.
etc. etc. etc.
You get the picture ?
As to the Western PTB, I also think that the Chinese are WELL AWARE of the political & financial games going on.
… and they have certainly studied Griffin’s TCFJI as well as listening to Schiff, Celente, MaxKeiser & Co.
I actually think the Chinese will teach OUR PTB a big lesson in manners … OK, we will get hurt shorter-term, but if we can’t change OUR SYSTEM from the inside, then maybe the Chinese might do it for us !
JMHO FWIW
STACY!
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article6976428.ece
Its on!
Mike
Update from Iceland:
Icesave agreement rejected by Icelandic president
http://www.icenews.is/index.php/2010/01/05/icesave-agreement-rejected-by-icelandic-president/
President of Iceland, Olafur Ragnar Grimsson, has announced his intention to reject the new Icesave Bill which was passed by parliament just before the New Year. It is his intention to send the law to a national referendum as soon as possible.
(may I make a little sound … *woohooo* … done.)
Time to see how direct democracy works.
@Mike/Liverpool. and i don’t think the IMF can fuck with Iceland as they have no jobs to take. we be pimpin soon.
Alas. as you saw in Ireland. IMF no likey democracy.
@Mike2liverpool … Its on!
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article6976428.ece
Great news, the President refuses to sign because 1/4 of the population sent him a protest !
That would be ca. 15,000$ per man, woman and child … IF they paid !
Great stuff .. and China refusing to honour crooked bank deals as well … nice !
It was the Banksters that “lost” the money, not the people.
Did the British People compensate “me” when Bradford&Bingley went BK ? .. No way !
Am I complaining .. No !
I suggest that Iceland offers the British People a quota of Icelandic Herring … 50 tons /Yr. x 10 years !
Far more valuable than paper money !
i hope iceland doesn’t end up with more than one of these votes. the IMF insists on the right answer.
@ Stacy – speaking of deadly food-like products, Taiwan has blocked the sale of US beef:
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6041K220100105?type=politicsNews
Good for them.
@Phil/Germany. it’s not the balance they want, can you say compound interest?
okay, didn’t see Mike2liverpools link about Iceland…
@ronron – true, it will be very interesting to see what happens if Iceland votes no, and what EU, IMF or single countries like Britain will do in reaction to such result. Will they respect democracy?
@Palantari. only if it goes there way. my garage band guitar is jumping up and down. don’t buy any fucking guitars.
Bonn fucked off again.
Why does China have a central bank answering to the Financial Stablity Board if this is so, Phil? Why does the CBRC coordinate regulation according to basel guidelines?
http://www.panda.org/what_we_do/how_we_work/policy/development_poverty/macro_economics/?146221/Chinese-central-bank-and-WWF-outline-greener-banking-roadmap
@Snoot. china likes to have the odd white shoe boy around. makes them laugh.
When you think about it USA is the same thing as China.
? china is building things. USA is blowing shit up.
It’s even worse than that. In reality,The chemical industry has 200,000 chemical compounds where no.epidemiological studies were done on them ! ZERO. 200,000 products circulating with no serious studies on health. 200,000 products. And that’s just an estimate. China and the USA are great places to test the laboratory rats humanoids. God bless Chinamerica.
@ ronron – I assumed Marc meant that the US is just like China with its secrecy & keeping info. from the public.
Re: this: Of some 84,000 chemicals being used commercially in the United States, some 20 percent — or 17,000 — are kept secret not only from the public, but from medical professionals, state regulators and even emergency responders. WTF? How does the government expect medical professionals to properly diagnose, treat, and do research–or the regulators to actually perform their jobs and REGULATE–when the government is keeping the medical community and the regulators in the dark? Oh, that’s right, it doesn’t and it doesn’t.
Profits before People. Always. That should be the new slogan of the US. Sort of a hybrid corporate america/Wal-Mart slogan.
@Mep.so there is information that china is using this garbage in there domestic food? yes i know about the baby formula.
@Mep. the baby formula boss was put to death? i think. can’t remember. have they sentenced Rummy yet?
i see deer in the fucking headlights.
aww fuck. who’s gonna clean this up?
@Mep:
Perhaps Marc meant that China and the US have functioned as Crown Interest colonies for quite some time.
@Snoot. perhaps Marc could explain better.
Yes, I was just bantering assumptions about with Mep, ronron.
@Snoot. sorry to butt in. i’ll fuck off now. bye y’all.
US Beef
Cows with rBGH-induced mastis stans in shit on factory farms
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=16763
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=1&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.volkskrant.nl%2Feconomie%2Farticle1334054.ece%2FPresident_IJsland_wil_voorschot_niet_teruggeven&sl=nl&tl=en
Iceland will not repay UK/Dutch debt… without a referendum
Hi Super Stace
I found this on the Gaurdian website. Its the lastest news on the whole ICesave debacle:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2010/jan/05/iceland-president-blocks-icesave-compensation
Good on them I say. Why should the Icelandic people be penalised for the actions of
1.the idiot consultants in UK whom local councils to invest in the dodgy savings accounts
2. The shysters at Kaupting and Landesbanki
Surely the bankers should fit the bill for there mismanagement? Erm, sorry, hold on I forgot since when were wanker bankers punished for their greed and stupidty?
Bankers held to account what the f*ck am I saying?
Is there and edit function in the house?!
1.the idiot consultants in UK whom local councils to invest in the dodgy savings accounts
should read as
1.the idiot consultants in UK who encouraged local councils to invest in the dodgy savings accounts
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/06/world/asia/06japan.html
Japan’s finance minister may quit.
Toxicological studies are a nice joke. When a new molecule is introcuced by a company, usually they are made on very brief time period of lab testing. And naturally rats are not necessaraly a perfect animal model. In reality you can only gage toxicity of a product only 30 and 40 years after ! when it’s usually too late to do anything. That’s the type of risk that about nobody knows. The father is a pharmacist and drugs are similarly tested that way. The clinical studies cannot be trusted neither. Most products are highly toxic on a long term basis. Most pharmacateucal companies are also chemical companies. You just have to conscious of the risks. Most people are not.
http://www.pimco.com/LeftNav/PIMCO+Spotlight/2009/Cyclical+Outlook+Paul+McCulley+December+2009.htm
@Bonn, Interesting info in that video on the Baghdad Batteries. Had read about those before.
@Max/Stacy Truth about Markets/Comments
regarding Option ARM (Adjustable Rate Mortgage) what do you think will happen when the super-low rate gets adjusted to market rate or rather higher (8-10 percent) during this and next year? if subprime mortgage wasn’t bad enough how will this ‘new bobble’ effect the market in the USofA and abroad?
Option ARM is bigger than the subprime… Could that be a topic on the radio show perhaps?
and maybe also this Alt-A mortgage(Alternative A-paper) that is lurking in the depts..
Iceland REJECTS British/Dutch MASSIVE AUSTERITY PLAN!
Bloomberg reports:
That Anglo-Dutch financial paper-powers are ‘very dissappointed’ at Icelands rejection to go along with British and Dutch proposals to use 5.5 billion in fiat paper borrowed from the U.K. and Netherlands to cover ‘deposits’ that evaporated during the collapse of the Iceland bubble economy.
A classic example of how the British and Dutch have always believed that they didn’t have to go to work like everyone else but instead sit back and live of the debt-serfs of the rest of the world.
Here England and the Netherlands have nothing productive to offer the world so instead they’ve tricked everyone into believing that they (Western countries) could BORROW from China and print worthless Federal Reserve Notes, Pound Sterlings and Euros and LOAN them out to other countries.
WHAT F*CKIN’ SCAM!!!!
The British and the Dutch needs to go find a REGULAR job like anyone else.
NO MORE WESTERN WELFARE QUEENS!
Iceland Rejects Anglo-Dutch Massive Austerity Plan
Bloomberg reports:
http://bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aujWzg8.dcs4&pos=6
Sure, ignore the real dangerous chemicals.
So, the frickin Marxist globalist terrorists just false flag CO2 to commodify life itself and control the world through complete enslavement.
Life, bought, sold, levered and derivativized.
@whitemale08
You can bet that the “go to hell” from Iceland will have a superb domino effect. A couple of the “go to hell” club candidates ? Greece, Ukraine, Latvia. Ireland (?) et caetera….. Domino effect coming soon.
Food, war and the middle east; “Give chickpeace a chance”
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/expat/expatnews/6935306/Israeli-village-stirs-up-hummus-war.html
@WL
The price of a life. In Russia if you want to liquidate a nobody the tariff is about 1,000$ US. In Canada “rich country” the contract killing is about 20,000$ US. You are already a derivative for the mafia and the Hells Angel.
@Marc Authier, Hope the domino effect is not invoked again, in this case, as a pretext for war.
Two points in particular are galling about the accord the Anglo-Dutch want:
1. They insist on higher rate of repayment than they require of their own banks.
2. They insist the Icelandic people take on the debts of private banks.
Maybe that last point could have been sidestepped if the Icelandic gov’t. hadn’t panicked and nationalized the banks. Doh! Is there some sort of UN sanction against allowing investment banks to go bankrupt?
50,000 new household adhesives have been “invented” in the last 20 years. Cross that with a chart showing the rise of childhood asthma.
When a new school is built, they are finished about 5 days before the students enter the classrooms. It then “gasses out” for about 2 years. Floor adhesives, carpet glue, ceramic tile glue, piping glue, caulking, paints, protectants, etc.
In the 70s when I was in school there might have been 2-3 kids in the whole school that had a “puffer”. My child’s JK class has 5 puffers and 6 needles for various allergies out of 18 kids. I don’t think it is a case of not diagnosing the asthma in the 70s – there weren’t kids hyperventilating at recess in need of a puffer.
You also can’t just look at the chemicals safety sheets about usage, exposure, etc. The heavy duty adhesives used in construction would likely be “mixed” with 5-10 other chemicals from other trades. A new home construction would have all of these floating for years. Typically in housing developments the builder hangs onto the deposit as long as possible and delays construction way past the “move in” day. All of the surface chemical treatments are dropped on one week previous to finish up and then the home owners sleep in there new home while the caulking is drying. Poor lungs.
@whitemale08, “Iceland’s return to international capital markets now seems very distant.” — from the Bloomberg article. I wonder what a future without capital markets would be like?
Max will be on live in a few: http://www.infowars.com/
@s.herbert
oh yeah… the show with no name… huh… er… don’t you wanna be associated???
@SG – the show name is kind of in the name of the link . . .
Interesting comparison to the pink sludge story that goes into US hamburgers: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article6976507.ece
@s.herbert
don’t be shy … if you won’t say his name fine… but I think it would be polite to at least warn people… it’s ‘THE AJ SHOW’… oh and talking of pink sludge dripping into burgers… does AJ still have nose bleeds while on air… I’m guessing yeah…. stacy if he ever offers to get max a coffee please tell him not to drink it!!!
See my true story Toxic Justice https://sites.google.com/site/nancyswan/toxic-justice-a-true-story
You may be interested in the huge list of resources pages for Schools dealing with Toxic Issues, Judicial Reform, and Whistleblower protection. They are all connected.
Max, Stacy, did you hear that Sea Shepherd sprung a new ship out of thin air, or thin ice… with the help of none other than Price is Right’s Bob Barker. They’ve now found the whaling fleet, let the WWIII begin (Whale Wars III)
http://www.seashepherd.org/news-and-media/news-100105-1.html
All these damn chemicals manufactured here in the US have been banned in Europe….so they gotta put ‘em somewhere!
Assholes.