Stacy Summary: On the Edge with Max Keiser. We follow up with Johannes Skulason regarding the latest in Iceland. Will post the higher res link when that is available tomorrow.
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can I really be first?
huh… where’d everyone go?
Not first we are all equal in the collective
and this collective is TBTF
Is GS writing derivates to cover JPMC’s losses on their foodstamp business failing if the economy recovers?
You need re education, achievement is not encouraged
To Be The First
Dyslexics of the world untie
easy…no morals; no hazard!!….Max, your sweetie pie El Jazz Era…did quite a hit job on the the Tee-Offed-Party types….what say you young Max??….useful Idiots abound….surrounded by their Janus twin idiot savants….all agents; no principles.
North Korea has a bad habit of making noise when its in most dire need of economic aid, which the west most kindly obliges them at every turn.
Official petition to “Save the People of Iceland”
http://savethepeopleoficeland.com/
@Max&Stacy .. great show, good work .
great stuff as usual.
it is reassuring to know that however depraved society is nowadays, it has been this way thruout history. This is not to ever accept moral depravity only to realize that the entire notion of the evolution of men is seriously in doubt.
From Chicago. Food stamps and Al Capone Morgan.
At least Icelanders can always take a hot shower I heard they all get hot water free…… that helps when it’s -5 below zero F
Max has brought up the whole perverts in Hollywood issue a few times. Very amusing, but check this out. Disturbing story.
(It’s a great documentary site, as well)
(2007) 86 min
The reclusive Patricia Douglas comes out of hiding to discuss the 1937 MGM scandal
Hollywood 1937—Metro-Goldwyn-Mayer, the world’s most prestigious and powerful movie studio, tricks 120 underage chorus girls into attending a stag party for its visiting salesmen. When dancer Patricia Douglas tries to flee, she is brutally raped; defying the studio’s order for silence, Douglas files a landmark lawsuit while MGM launches the biggest cover-up in Hollywood history-until six decades later, when author-screenwriter David Stenn stumbles upon the story. Stenn’s decade-long search for the truth leads to Patricia Douglas herself, nearly ninety and still in hiding. Will she go public once again, or will Hollywood’s best-suppressed scandal die with her?
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/girl_27/
t/h to Iceland.
Stay strong,
Teach the Irish how NOT to be bum fucked.
@ Bliyaboo. worth repeating
http://savethepeopleoficeland.com/
For more information on the ICESAVE debacle…
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3133573/InDefence_Icesave_Fact_Sheet.pdf
It should be called ICESLAVE instead of ICESAVE.
The Atlantic had one of the best representations of the Icelandic meltdown over a year ago. It’s here; the graphic is enlargeable if it’s clicked on a few times.
One of the better OTE episode today, Cheers
“Iran is not a nuclear threat. Iran is an economic threat.”
Israel IS a nuclear threat and an economic threat.
One wonders how many Israeli double agents have been sending $$$$ to US congressional parties to sell our US national interests.
Anyone seen Jonathan Pollard lately?
Moral Hazard has the same weight in the banking sector as the water hazard has on a golf course to a guy like Tiger Woods.
Ball drop and add a stroke.
Only in banking the tax payers get the stroke job, and well you know where the balls go too.
@Joe -
Thank you for the tip on the MGM story…
http://www.vanityfair.com/fame/features/2003/04/mgm200304
Thanks for another great show Max n Stacy
A bit offtopic:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2010/jan/05/israeli-military-uk-arrest-fears
Let me get this straight, Israel is a bigger threat than Iran? Goldman Sachs is a bigger threat than Islam?
In the long term, jews are dead. Gays are dead. non muslims are dead. women are chattel. Thanks for doing your part, Max.
lek, In the past year how many people have the state of Israel (which is a state, not a race) and Goldman Sachs killed? Iran is a theoretical threat. Israel and Goldman Sachs are actual killers.
Further, a nuclear weapon has to actually be deliverable in order to be a threat, not to mention the obvious other factors of one actually requiring the motivation to carry out such an attack and the probable required desire to be able to defend and sustain one self after wards. By the time Iran has nuclear weapons such weapons will be neutralized by defensive technologies. Saying you want to attack someone when you don’t have the means, is different than attacking them when you do. And I don’t think the nation of Iran would support such a war. Their lives are hard enough as it is.
You’ve bought into a story of boogey men while blinding yourself to the genuine atrocities of the day.
Daniel S.
In the past year how many people have the state of Israel (which is a state, not a race) and Goldman Sachs killed?
GS Zero.
Israel about 1500. All peace loving “Palestinians” whose charter calls for the genocide of jews and destruction of their state. But I guess THAT’S ok with you since both of you hate the US. Anyway, I learned long ago not to bother arguing with the Israel haters; its a waste of logic.
Iran is a theoretical threat.
Nonsense. Iran, or conquered Persia as it should correctly be called, has been liquidating its own free thinking people at home and abroad for thrity years. Its present leader is a nut case who has called on the leaders of the west to convert to islam in order to save themselves. His first act in office was to lower the age of consent for marriage to nine years . Theoretical? Come on. And so what if you were right? Who has vowed to wipe the jewish people off the map? Iran. Whose leader believes he is the Medi? Iran. Does anyone actually fear Israel will use its nuclear weapons offensively? How about England? No one. Israel is a people (race) who are hunted to extinction by muslims as commanded by their koran. I personally admire them as much as I loath Goldman Sachs.
Their lives are hard enough as it is.
Whose fault is that? Yes, thats right, the mullahs. Not Israel.
About Iran. Can’t find any mean terrorists working for Al-Mossad-aida and Al-CIA-aida. Iran has the absolute right to defend itself, specially with the third most important oil production in the world and the second gas reserves in the world. As for Isreal with its 400 nuclear bombs H and A, I really think that they are the real threat in the region, and the country is becoming more and more crazy and unstable. Like the USA in sum.
@lek – If I recall my history classes correctly, I think it was the mostly christian Germans that nearly ‘hunted Jews to extinction;’ also, Khamanei is the leader of Iran, not Ahmadinejad; and, finally, the US is the only nation to use nuclear weapons against another and multiple leaders have recently threatened to use them again against Iran and against other nations they consider ‘rogue’
Nice name for a general
boring
last 3 shows have been more or less repeats ;(
Max, Stacy,
As ever, great work.
Max, I only take issue with you over Jeremy Paxman! He’s not an apologist for the banks. For those of you who can view BBC’s iPlayer, here is the programme with the first day’s analysis of the CCIC, with Janet Tavakoli and Vince Cable (from around the 28 minute mark). Vince jokingly apologises for Janet and he agreeing on everything – Jeremy’s reply ‘It’s better to have two wise people agreeing is better than two idiots disagreeing’ is great!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00pyhjm/Newsnight_13_01_2010/
DavidC
@Stacy:
While I respect your work and passion for what you do, I have to help you with your history a little bit. There are a few points about the Christian Germans you omitted.
There were two Bosnian Muslim SS units in charge of killing Jews in Eastern Europe, personally selected by Adolph Hitler and the Mufti of Jerusleum. Haj Amin al-Husseini worked closely with Hitler; his son Faisal was one of the “Palestinian’s” leading spokesmen after WWII.
But don’t take my word for it. What did “Christian” Hitler have to say about his Christianity?
“…a religion that believed in spreading the faith by the sword and subjugating all nations to that faith. Such a creed was perfectly suited to the Germanic temperament. The Mohammedan religion would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?” Adolph Hitler
Or, what about “Christian” Himmler?
“Muslims responded to the call of Muslim leaders and joined our side because of their hatred of our joint Jewish-English-Bolshevik enemies, and because of their belief and respect for, above all — Our Fuehrer.” Heinrich Himmler.
So, to say that Germans were following the teachings of Christianity in their “final solution” is as dishonest as implying by extension that Muslims were not following the teachings of Islam is slaughtering the Jews of pre-Islamic Arabia.
It is a peculiar phenomenon that commentators today have no understanding of the things our forefathers new quite well.
John Quincy Adams wrote in 1829:
“The precept of the Koran is, perpetual war against all who deny, that Mahomet is the prophet of God. The vanquished may purchase their lives, by the payment of tribute; the victorious may be appeased by a false and delusive promise of peace; and the faithful follower of the prophet, may submit to the imperious necessities of defeat: but the command to propagate the Moslem creed by the sword is always obligatory, when it can be made effective. The commands of the prophet may be performed alike, by fraud, or by force”.
Enough history. Regarding the leader of Iran, yes, you are correct it is the hand picked successor of the late Ayatollah Khomeini, the man who once said, “Let this land (Iran) go up in smoke, provided Islam emerges triumphant over the rest of the world. The governments of the world should know that Islam cannot be defeated. Islam will be victorious in all the countries of the world, and Islam and the teachings of the Koran will prevail all over the world.” Big difference there.
Like I say, I respect your work. Maybe you and Max will dig into financial corruption by the Mullahs in Iran next time you are on TV over there. I am there wont be any problem for you. And I do hope in 20 years you will remember the good old days before France was a majority Islamic country. Remember, “Men are in charge of women, because Allah has preferred men over women….As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them; banish them to their couches and beat them.”
—Holy Quran (4:34)
Lek
also, Khamanei is the leader of Iran, not Ahmadinejad; and, finally, the US is the only nation to use nuclear weapons against another and multiple leaders have recently threatened to use them again against Iran and against other nations they consider ‘rogue’
Stacy, you deleted my reply. I am shocked. Shocked.
But its truuuuuuuue
@lek
I see you made a nice attempt at counter-attacking the Christian-Nazis example with some muslim assistance in the massacre of several million people. Would you like to also defend slobodan milosevic for us? You know the guy? He tried to justify genocide and killing muslims by reading quotes from the bible?
If you want, I can email you hundreds of quotes from the bible that incite violence against gays/women/non-christians.
Muslim extremism is minimal. If islam was as bad as you think it is, then the 1 billion muslims worldwide would have killed a whole lot more than a few thousand innocent americans in the USA’s entire history (3k innocents + 1.2k contractors in Iraq).
Get your head out your ass, you tribal-minded fool.
@poopy pants
//Would you like to also defend slobodan milosevic for us? You know the guy? He tried to justify genocide and killing muslims by reading quotes from the bible? If you want, I can email you hundreds of quotes from the bible that incite violence against gays/women/non-christians.
No Christian theologians supported Milosevic. No Christians say the old testament is anything other than a historical and allegory work. However, all four major schools of islam teach that the Koran is the literal word of allah and may not be interpreted otherwise. That is the key point.
//Muslim extremism is minimal.
That would be a laughable claim if it was not that there is no such thing as extremism in islam; there is only islam.
//If islam was as bad as you think it is, then the 1 billion muslims worldwide would have killed a whole lot more than a few thousand innocent americans in the USA’s entire history (3k innocents + 1.2k contractors in Iraq).
Better check your history, like why did they hate us (kill and take Americans as slaves) in 1788? But it does not matter what I think or you think about islam; there is the historical record.
570 – Birth of Muhammad in Mecca into the tribe of Quraish.
577 – Muhammads mother dies
580 – Death of Abdul Muttalib, Muhammads grandfather.
583 – First journey to Syria with a trading Caravan
595 – Muhammad marries Khadijah a rich widow several years older than him.
595 – Second journey to Syria
598 – His son, Qasim, is born
600 – His daughter, Zainab, is born
603 – His daughter, Um-e-Kalthum, is born
604 – His daughter, Ruqayya, is born
605 – Placement of Black Stone in Kaaba.
605 – His daughter, Fatima, is born
610 – Mohammed, in a cave on Mt. Hira, hears the angel Gabriel tell him that Allah is the only true God.
613 – Muhammads first public preaching of Islam at Mt. Hira. Gets few converts.
615 – Muslims persecuted by the Quraish.
619 – Marries Sauda and Aisha (9 years old)
620 – Institution of five daily prayers
622 – Muhammad immigrates from Mecca to Medina, which was then called Yathrib, gets more converts.
623 – Battle of Waddan
623 – Battle of Safwan
623 – Battle of Dul-Ashir
624 – Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
624 – Zakat becomes mandatory
624 – Battle of Badr
624 – Battle of Bani Salim
624 – Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
624 – Battle of Bani Qainuqa
624 – Battle of Sawiq
624 – Battle of Ghatfan
624 – Battle of Bahran
625 – Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
625 – Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
625 – Battle of Banu Nudair
625 – Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
626 – Battle of Badru-Ukhra
626 – Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
626 – Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
627 – Battle of the Trench
627 – Battle of Ahzab
627 – Battle of Bani Quraiza
627 – Battle of Bani Lahyan
627 – Battle of Ghaiba
627 – Battle of Khaibar
628 – Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
630 – Muhammad conquers Mecca.
630 – Battle of Hunsin.
630 – Battle of Tabuk
632 – Muhammad dies.
632 – Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
633 – Battle at Oman
633 – Battle at Hadramaut.
633 – Battle of Kazima
633 – Battle of Walaja
633 – Battle of Ulleis
633 – Battle of Anbar
634 – Battle of Basra,
634 – Battle of Damascus
634 – Battle of Ajnadin.
634 – Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
634 – Battle of Namaraq
634 – Battle of Saqatia.
635 – Battle of Bridge.
635 – Battle of Buwaib.
635 – Conquest of Damascus.
635 – Battle of Fahl.
636 – Battle of Yermuk.
636 – Battle of Qadsiyia.
636 – Conquest of Madain.
637 – Battle of Jalula.
638 – Battle of Yarmouk.
638 – The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
638 – Al Aqsa mosque is built atop the ancient Jewish Temple Mount
638 – Conquest of Jazirah.
639 – Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
641 – Battle of Nihawand
642 – Battle of Ray in Persia
643 – Conquest of Azarbaijan
644 – Conquest of Fars
644 – Conquest of Kharan.
644 – Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
645 – Destruction of the library of Alexandria
647 – Conquest of the island of Cypress
644 – Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
648 – Campaign against the Byzantines.
651 – Naval battle against the Byzantines.
654 – Islam spreads into North Africa
656 – Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
658 – Battle of Nahrawan.
659 – Conquest of Egypt
661 – Ali is murdered.
662 – Egypt falls to Islam rule.
666 – Sicily is attacked by Muslims
677 – Siege of Constantinople
687 – Battle of Kufa
691 – Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
700 – Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
700 – Military campaigns in North Africa
702 – Battle of Deir ul Jamira
711 – Muslims invade Gibraltar
711 – Conquest of Spain
713 – Conquest of Multan
716 – Invasion of Constantinople
732 – Battle of Tours in France.
740 – Battle of the Nobles.
741 – Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
744 – Battle of Ain al Jurr.
746 – Battle of Rupar Thutha
748 – Battle of Rayy.
749 – Battle of lsfahan
749 – Battle of Nihawand
750 – Battle of Zab
772 – Battle of Janbi in North Africa
777 – Battle of Saragossa in Spain
809 – Muhammad Zahir Aqchi conquors Manvi in Karnataka, Indaia – converts Hindu temple to a mosque
1009 – Destruction of the Church of the Holy Sepulcher in Jerusalem
1236 – Shykh Mu’in al-Din Chisti Ajmer converts Hindu temple in Ajmer, Rajasthan, India to a mosque
1315 – Sultan Mubarak Shah Khalji kills all non-Muslims in Andhra Pradesh
1456 – Athens fell to the Ottomans; Parthenon converted into a mosque
1526 – First Battle of Panipat
1528 – Battle of Chanderi
1528 – Battle of Khanwa
Let’s leave it there, to conserve space.
In terms of body counts, just off the top of my head the teachings of the perfect man have wrecked the world with…
3,000,000 Bangladeshi Hindus Killed during the Pakistan-Bangladesh war in 1971. From 1894 to 1896 Abdul Hamid, Sultan of the Ottoman Empire, killed 150,000 Armenian Christians. Sikh Guru Tegh Bahadur along with his disciples was burned to death by the Moghul ruler Aurangzeb in 1675. Bhai Mati Das was sawn into right and left halves while he was still alive. In July 1974, 4,000 Christians living in Cyprus were killed by Fahri Koroturk, president of Turkey and his Islamic army. From 1843 to 1846 10,000 Assyrian Christians including women and children were massacred by Muslims. From 1915 to 1918 750,000 Assyrians were killed in the name of Islamic Jihad. In 1933 thousands of Assyrian villagers were murdered by the Iraqi soldiers in Northern Iraq. Since 1990 more than 10,000 Kashmiri Hindus have been murdered by Islamic fundamentalists. Over 280,000 Ugandans killed during the reign of Idi Amin from 1971 to 1979. Over 30,000 Mauritanians have been killed by the Islamic dictators since 1960. In 1980, 20,000 Syrians were murdered under the rule of Hafez Al-Assad, President of Syria. Since 1992 120,000 Algerians have been murdered by the Islamic fundamentalist army.
Let’s leave it there. You get the idea. No extremism here. Nope, nothing to see. Move along.
//Get your head out your ass, you tribal-minded fool.
I have no idea what that means, but it sounds like you have been drinking.
@lek
- Iraq had some American slaves? I’m pretty sure Christian America was famous for using slaves.
“[Slavery] was established by decree of Almighty God…it is sanctioned in the Bible, in both Testaments, from Genesis to Revelation…it has existed in all ages, has been found among the people of the highest civilization, and in nations of the highest proficiency in the arts.” Jefferson Davis, President of the Confederate States of America.
-Nobody would support Slobodan now, but it wasn’t too long ago when there was the 30 years war, spanish inquisition, witch burning, crusading and slaving. I believe 25% of the German population was massacred because of the Catholics v Protestant battles?
Christian history is just as bad, if not worse, than the history of islam. Europe didn’t become christian by passing a book around. It’s laughable when muslims and christians complain about each other when they’ve done EXACTLY THE SAME STUFF AS EACH OTHER.
You’re best sofar is using the example of muslims using American slaves. See if you can beat that. I had one christian guy tell me how islam is barbaric because of beheading people. I donno maybe he thought burning women alive was better, or nailing them to a cross. Last year a read about 2 women in El Salvidor drowned in lake by the christian villagers because they were accused of witchcraft. More recently, in africa, a kid had acid poured down his throat because the local priest thought he had demons in him.
@poo
Not iraq, America. Its called the barbary coast. Look into it. Thomas Jefferson’s state of the union address.Or check out the writings of John Quincy Adams on Islam. The muslims were at war with the US from its first year in existance. Why? Acording to them, because we are non muslim and must either convert or pay the tax.
If christianity is all that extreme where are the christian suicide bombers, why doesnt the pope call for the overthrow of non christian states, why are their african slaves of arabs in africa but no slaves of christians, where are the christian jihadists? I have never heard a preacher in a church calling for death to muslims like the muslims here in Asia do about christians.
All schools of islam teach warfare against non believers right now, today, this is a fact. Its not my opinion its their teacing. I know, I live in a predominantly muslim country and I can see and hear. And I can read. Yet, no school of christianity teaches such a thing today. It was called a reformation. Look into it. Have you ever even gone to a church?
I realize its popular among the left to hate christianity and its easy to do. No Christians stab warning notes in your heart as you walk along the sidewalk on the way home, like they did to Theo Van Go, just because you make a movie or write a book. The left is strangely silent and apologetic about islam. Now, I wonder, why is that. Must be because it is so peaceful.
Christians, Islam and any other religion are all the same. It becomes dangerous when taken literally, seriously and worst of all taken as the truth. It’s man’s greatest creation and blunder.
@lek
-i misread what you said before about american slaves. I’m aware of the history of the barbary states. They are comparable to every nation of those days. I’m pretty sure all the european empires were colonizing foreign people and slaughtering each other with lines of musket infantry and grape shot. But if the barbary states do it, it was because they were evil muslims, right?
I’m not going to bother anymore. I’m the son of a muslim and a christian, so I’m aware of both faiths. They share the same history of violence and intolerance and both the koran and the new testament say the same shit. When my muslim grandfather passed on, he donated half his wealth to build a school and a hospital. My muslim family accepted my christian mother and treated her respectfully and still do. Meanwhile, my christian grandfather wouldn’t let my muslim father into his house (even after decades of happy marriage). For that, I’ll defend islam against people like you.
It baffles me that you can’t acknowledge that Christianity and Islam have the same past, because you seem to have a good understanding of where Islam went wrong. Have you never tried to google search christian violence?
//My muslim family accepted my christian mother and treated her respectfully and still do.
What do you suppose would have happened if it had been your Christian father?
//Meanwhile, my christian grandfather wouldn’t let my muslim father into his house (even after decades of happy marriage). For that, I’ll defend islam against people like you.
Fine, defend it But dont say I am “people like you” because I have a broader world view. By the way, my wife’s cousin had his head chopped off and his body burned after being shot. For the crime of being buddhist. But this is not why I oppose Islam. I oppose islam for what it does to muslims. Every effect has a cause; violence in islam is the result of the teachings of islam. Violence in christianity is the result of failure to follow the teachings of christianity. For me, this is a distinction with a difference.
//It baffles me that you can’t acknowledge that Christianity and Islam have the same past, because you seem to have a good understanding of where Islam went wrong.
Read the Islam timeline I posted above; it did not “go bad” it started bad and is ending badly.
//Have you never tried to google search christian violence?
You mean violence by people who happen to be Christians or people who commit violence in the name of Christianity? in either case today they would be acting outside of the teaching of Christianity. In the case of islam they themselves say they are acting according to the dictates of their religion. The people who murdered my wife’s cousin did it because the Koran says polythesits are to be slain. They followed their religion. They were islamic students. In any case, I dont really care about violence in the past, I care about violence in the present moment. With islam the past and present are one continuum.