Stacy Summary: That RT ad campaign really caused a stir in the UK. Your thoughts on article?
On Russia Today, it was the Brits who were under fire, from shouty American financial journalist Max Keiser. “[Gordon] Brown is very high-minded in his attempts to fight terrorism around the world, but when it comes to financial terrorism he’s doing nothing,” he told viewers of The Keiser Report in an attack on bankers, before accusing the BBC’s most famous rottweiler of being a government patsy. “Jeremy Paxman put out the corporate line? he’s got a huge soapbox with his newscast. Will people see through the propaganda of Jeremy Paxman?”
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shouty –;-)
Communication is propaganda
“Its editor-in-chief Margarita Simonyan claims that the Russian state “doesn’t at all” interfere with the output of the network’s journalists.”
If you believe this, I have some swamp-land in south’east Florida to sell ya!
The article reads, “Instead, RT blasted “GENOCIDE” across its screens for most of the war’s duration, produced a number of extraordinarily biased packages,”…
Wouldn’t it be nice if they gave details on these packages and explained how they were extraordinarily biased? Nahhh, I’ll take their word for it.
They should throw in the findings of an expert without bothering to name him/her while they’re at it too. “Our expert says RT is Russian propaganda.” Ah. Definitive reporting.
@frances
Selling your home and movin
I guess Stacy has thrown out a softball
“shouty American financial journalist” ROFL
Max, don’t be shy, just say what you feel. O.K.?
Well, regarding propaganda on RT, it’s a lot closer to other investigative journalism than that of MSM in America.
But of course everyone who says something about anything has a slant to it.
Haha. All good publicity for Max Keiser!
MSM is dead anyway. The future is people talking to people directly without these corporate brand identities to hide behind.
‘Your word is your bond,’ and all that.
As a Brit I can’t express how disgusted I am with the BBC. RT’s state propaganda is useful at the moment, but that use is entirely provisional.
Selling your home and movin
I’m sure, WL, that I could sell you half the state. You are a willing buyer?!
Here’s another one from Russia, just out today: Prepare Now to Escape Obama’s Retirement Trap
It’s ironic to be reading this from a Russian source. Imagine handing this to someone in 1970…hoo da thunkit?
Bravo Max….
…at least they didn’t call you ” a squeaky financial journalist”.
It’s hard to say who sucks the most…Jeremy Paxman, Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Bill O’Reilly, Anderson Cooper, Brit Hume….etc….etc….
BBC 5 ‘Wake up to Money’ radio interview with Egon von Greyerz
Note how the BBC mainstream guys interviewing him laughs him off as a nut case at the end of the interview.
(Still very little gold bulls in mainstream media and general public)
The interview starts at 19 minutes and 20 seconds into the programme so please slide the ruler forward if you want to listen to it.
http://goldswitzerland.com/index.php/bbc-radio-interview-with-egon-von-greyerz/
Egon von Greyerz, the founder of GoldSwitzerland today did a 4 minute interview with BBC 5 Live – Wake up to Money.
Poorly educated BBC interviewers: Mickey Clark and Andrew Verity.
@ Max Keiser
I got offended when ya said ya had no empathy for the peeps on that detroit flight
My bro lives in detroit
takin a haitus from this site till I see an apology
People don’t know you can’t hold them accountable for not knowing
or do u follow
“Buyer be aware”
then you as good as ‘em
So Long y’all
@Bonn. i will really miss you.
@MaxKeiser.well?
Re: Topic, media and propaganda
I find it suited to repost this story from John Pilger:
“During the Cold War, a group of Russian journalists toured the United States. On the final day of their visit, they were asked by their hosts for their impressions. “I have to tell you,” said their spokesman, “that we were astonished to find, after reading all the newspapers and watching TV, that all the opinions on all the vital issues were, by and large, the same. To get that result in our country, we imprison people, we tear out their fingernails. Here, you don’t have that. What’s the secret? How do you do it?”
and:
During the 1970s, I filmed secretly in Czechoslovakia, then a Stalinist dictatorship. I interviewed members of the dissident group, Charter 77. One of them, the novelist Zdener Urbanek, told me, “We are more fortunate than you in the West, in one respect. We believe nothing of what we read in the newspapers and watch on television, nothing of the official truth. unlike you, we have learned to read between the lines of the media. Unlike you, we know that that real truth is always subversive. ”By subversive, he meant that truth comes from the ground up, almost never from the top down. (Vandana Shiva has called this ‘subjugated knowledge’).
and:
Never believe anything until it is officially denied
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9zavHssKPn4
(first story starts at 1:49 and second story starts at 3:58)
@Bonn
I agree, Max tends to loosen his sphincter and squeak out an aroma of elitism now and then.
@Y’ALL
WATCH EM SQUIRM… this is better than that day when we got the avatars… and you said you felt like you was in the MATRIX… and I hate that movie and referencing to it…WOW SQUIRM… BRILLIANT… BRILLIANT FUCKING BRILLIANT… one swipe a clean WIPE… MAAAN DEMESTOS…MAAN it’s just like DEMESTOS!!!!
@WL. probably says things he regrets too. we’ll see soon.
@Y’all
typo: stacy said it’s like being in the matrix!!!!
@WL, i think most of these born again wall street guys have shame and regret. that’s why there here i hope.
We all say things we regret in hindsight at times. Sometimes during spontaneous pontification, logic and sense fails you. Max is a good egg
who now shall do the virtual hiccing?
@Dan11. he should apologize.
ronron
yes he should. but is he unforgivable?
@Dan11. empathy. of coarse max will be forgiven. not religion.
http://www.daily.pk/fake-gold-bars-in-bank-of-england-and-fort-knox-14477/
Hey Max , you may need to keep an eye open for Stuart Smith when you are looking for Kenny Boy!
Vega Man
What a coincidence; international banksters’ UK media wing is caterwauling, at the exact same time, about the exact same thing as OBushBama’s “regulatory caesar” (and fits – to a tee – definition of conspiracy too).
Will comrade Sunstein order “congnitive infiltration” of RT and Max Keiser dot com …
Richard Sambrook says “I slightly worry that many viewers won’t realise there’s an agenda behind these channels …”
The “agenda” is to expose the agenda Richard Sambrook, et al, works for.
“I slightly worry that many viewers won’t realise there’s an agenda behind these channels, but if they watch for long they will recognise it.”
There’s an agenda behind every channel. At least Max has integrity enough to share his agenda here.
@Bliaboo. yes we have our spooks. did you hear bonn fucked off.
Credit losses hit J.P. Morgan’s commercial-banking results http://tinyurl.com/yhtu7r7
JP Morgan CFO sees $1 billion loss in credit cards for 1Q, 2Q http://tinyurl.com/ykrnb22
Someone explain to me why folk take remarks on the net so personally,.the reason I ask,..it’s beyond me!
Anyone?
@StacyHerbert. you gonna put your foot down.
On the subject of infiltrating the conspiracy industry, I don’t believe this is new ground. Only newly discussed, as far as it goes. I don’t know the guy, but my impression is that what he said is too open to be a bad sign, or that if it can be said right out loud, how can that be sinister, when it is supposed to be under wraps and a deeply secrete operation.
If anything it will open the eyes of many, hopefully, and should make some take second thoughts about jumping too quickly into the arms of crackpots. That is a good side effect.
No doubt there is a lot of bad thinking out there to begin with, so when the spooks start with intentional agitation, and purposeful promotion of “cognitive diversity” through tricks of “crippling epistemology” and… the like, well, how’s a body going to know what’s real? You won’t… That’s life, reserve judgement.
This is the first I heard of this Sunstein, but he seems to have a well made face. He doesn’t look like a type that would work in the dark world of lies and deception. That’s only a hunch, but his statement is plain and open, even if it’s… epistemological.
The new world, though less brave, may bring more effective means of achieving cognitive diversity. One that is sure to crop up will be the virtual comment. These will be getting better with time, but they may yet be detectable by the use of language. Just as computor speech is usually discernable, the computor
blog comment may still have a few shortcomings. These could be masked by the use of intentional misspelled words, or shortened mock coded sounding speak, and what is quite annoying, that pretense of speaking in jargon or cant to “the knowing.” These tricks mask the computors inability to combine constructive speech with good syntax.
Why else would so many blog comments be rife with cutsey and tangential language unfathomable to usual readers, who, probably have other things to do besides unraveling criptic anonymous internet snippets ? Shed light on it.
@Dedo. you talking about the bonn affair?
spooks, bonds, BONN!
@ronron,…not only Bonn,..most folk who get the hump in this virtual world.
Spain house prices fall 6.2% in fourth quarter http://tinyurl.com/ybat87k
Euro-zone Dec. annual inflation up 0.9% http://tinyurl.com/y9aq8q6
U.S. Dec. CPI inflation rate up just 0.1% http://tinyurl.com/yaehwft
@Dedo. say what you want to me on the net. if you mean it.it.s forever unless you apologize. that which was said was on video and if he meant it ok with me. just changes my opinion of him. if not an apology is promptly in order.
@Dedo. there’s nothing fucking virtual about me.
it is absolutely hilarious how the BBC patsies go on and on about being “politically impartial” when in absolute fact their mandate to not espouse “political opinion” inexorably finds them being just as, if not more, stubbornly parochial as those whom they criticize; but with one exception – whereas the BBCs competitors are less inclined to deny their obvious and completely natural bias, the BBC in its typically bland and predictable fashion..relentlessly seeks to convince its audience that it and it alone is supplying them with the 1 impartial opinion – laughable…ill post a really great interview between heads of bbc , france 24 and rt in a sec..
Listen folks
The advantage of the Internet is that you cannot shout down your opponent.
The words speak for themselves.
You should be in a political argument after 10 pints are sunk in your local pub and then you would know what a argument is.
Being aggressive expressing your political views is refreshing because it exposes the flaws and strengths of your arguments
I have a guy who goes trekking with me and when we get into navigational difficulties we have a good loud argument about where we are and where to go – this exposes the weakness in either of our positions very rapidly
There is really nothing personnel in it but we both recognize that it is the most efficient way to get out of the shit
@Alister. yes it is. tony benn filled them in on gaza. now there’s a human being.
Silver and gold are tops, but platinum group metals are runner ups http://tinyurl.com/yckj6sx
China data show record reserves, strong lending growth 95.3% more than a year earlier http://tinyurl.com/ybjnah5
@YouriCarma. yes metals. i love metals. are you signing the bonn petition?
Petition is up
http://savethepeopleoficeland.com/
@joe scmoe
and I doubt that’s your real name… the internet is full of people looking for heroes and people to do all their thinking for them who seem to lack any real experience outside of school and work…and can’t handle the fact the world is inhabitedin by people who speak in patois and colloquialsms… er… I hope that they are the preciset term…. we don’t all speak or think like writers and not everybody went to university…. get used to it… we all need some humour…. ‘epistemological’… what the fuck kinda joke are you having using words like…. that donut head kapish!!!!
@ bonn “I got offended”
did i read that right?
where’d ya go?
must be crying in his whiskey
@Adam C. so when did you move your money?
@Mork from Dork
I agree that arguing your views and analyzing opposing views allows you to redefine and adjust your position. However, there is a caveat, communication is extremely imperfect, the words have shifting meanings, socio and contextual connotations and emotive reactions. Most contrary views are really communication discrepancies.
I always respect honesty even if I disagree and if Max was being honest then he should not apologize as that is where he stands. If he “miscommunicated” then he should clarify.
I am only offended by hypocrisy
@Underfunded. not funny.
Who the fuck is going to save the people of Ireland
This is discrimination
Just because we are not as bright as our northern friends and maybe our women are not perfect does not mean we don’t have feelings
Can you feel our pain people, can you?
@ronron
>> so when did you move your money?
Please explain?
Jerk, off with their fuckin heads!!!!!!
Really, the world will learn from you guys, we are all watchin very close
@WL. i agree. i don’t think max has a script. thing move fast in radio. this was video i think. not sure. could have been edited out. just can’t get my head around not giving a fuck about a plane load of as bonn says peeps.
The domino’s are stacked and you guys are first in line, sadly
@Y’all
don’t get me started on that… frikkin…. NICK FERRARI…. GRRRHHH…. I have to listen to that scumbag in the mornin’ on LBC…. my partner likes to go to sleep listening to Clive Bull… probably so I jump quick and makea cup of tea… anything rather than listen to that right wing muppe’… EX SUN newspaper TWAT…. the SUN. The EXPRESS and The DAILY MAIL…huh.. the UK journalistic trinity of HATE!!!
@AdamC. the petition is useless. same as moving your money. same as asking for an apology it seems.
Just read that conspiracy paper (other thread) in full. On the whole it’s quite dry. I was hoping for something more Machiavellian.
A snippet…
‘…if the hard core arises for certain identifiable reasons, it can be broken up or at least muted by government action ["cognitive diversity"]. …there are intrinsic costs to the strategy of giving up on the hard core and directing government efforts solely towards inoculating the mass audience. For one thing, the hard core may itself provide the most serious threat. For another, a response geared to a mass audience (whether or not nominally pitched as a response to the conspiracy theorists) will lead some to embrace rather than reject the conspiracy theory the government is trying to rebut. This is the legitimation dilemma again: to begin a program of inoculation is to signal that the disease is already widespread and threatening. Under pluralistic ignorance, the perverse result may actually be to spread the conspiracy theory further. With an audience already thoroughly in the grip of conspiracy theories, open counterspeech may simply be more grist for the conspiratorial mill.’
http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=1084585
@Bonn:
I remember Max saying that he was told to feel empathy, and he could not, because the people for whom he was told to feel empathy were not empathetic to other nations.
That sounds fair to me.
But no one can force a condition of feeling on another: it is hypocrisy to do so. Max stated his viewpoint, and we should respect his viewpoint, just as you would have us respect yours.
Are you on a hunger strike? Don’t take this to extremes(!!!).
We will miss your imaginative posts!
If you don’t quit now then you won’t leave me with the title of quitting champ (three times) this makes three for you, right?
@SG:
I love the Daily Mail. Sorry.
JP Morgan retail unit has first quarterly loss since early 2008 http://tinyurl.com/y8bfckj
Truth About Markets New Zealand
‘My son is 2 … It is ridiculous to suggest he is a terrorist’
http://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=10620568
But I have seen many 2 year old terrorists; so it’ not that odd is it?
@ronron
According to Birgitta Jónsdóttir, the aim of petition is to demonstrate international condemnation of predatory debt practices and stiffen Olafur Grimsson’s resolve.
On that basis I believe such a petition is useful and so I signed it.
@JerkoC
Might I suggest brushing up on Constance Markievicz, her dream of Liberty, and the patroitism of Michael Collins for inspiration. They share an eternal flame …
@AdamC. i respect you decision.
The BBC is so impartial on this issue that Newsnight offered the space to an outside journalist to do an attack piece against Russia Today, followed by Jeremy Paxman joining the journalist in haranguing a representative from Russia Today.
An impartial view might note that the British English language networks appear unnerved by the encroachment of foreign English language services (especially RT and PressTV.
Odd that Al Jazeera isn’t mentioned, it’s staffed by a lot of ex BBC journalists. Of course state broadcasters like the BBC, RT and PressTV present viewpoints consistent with their sponsors.
The BBC cannot accept it is first and foremost a state broadcaster. It derives it’s notion of ‘impartiality’ from the spectrum of British party politics, so the British establishment is represented at the top, and it’s views expressed in the reporting.
All the UK news networks are stuffed with ‘support the troops’ pro-Army propaganda pieces from anywhere British forces are active. They all credulously report the propaganda churned out by the state in support of those actions.
Was Wednesday’s rebound in the stars? Well, maybe a mid-year massacre is, too. Crawford predicts mid-year massacre
Commentary: Letter which foresaw 2008 crash sees trouble in the stars. http://tinyurl.com/yhn2dp5
If Cameron wins Sky will get it’s wish to be FOX News. I’m with HST in that objective journalism doesn’t exist but my real problem is with the fact that News wont be getting smarter it’ll just be dumbed down and full of the naked corporate line that will come with the relaxing of impartiality rules.
It’ll get harder to find smart news, not a problem for those with inquiring minds but for the average peeps……
anyway the Independent is possibly been sold to ex-KGB and Evening Standard owner Alexander Lebedev
http://tinyurl.com/aog7p6
and for News fans, Newswipe is back on BBC4 on the 19th at 10.30 past episodes here http://tinyurl.com/yllp5zr
@ronsquared
Yes, I have heard Max do this before, like a drunk sometimes when they let their guard down squeaks out stinker.
He should be called on it but
an apology is the cheap cologne of hollow rhetoric
@Bonn. fuck the apology, get back here you skinny fucker.
@WL. i guess i’ll shut up but i got pissed myself when he said it. got a son traveling around the world.
@WL. i can’t believe the lack of peeps here not telling bonn to get the fuck back here. he’s got a lot to say. most enjoyable.
@ronron,..I didn’t imply you were virtual,.only the net,.don’t tell me you took offense? : /
I’m glad I’m not in some folks company when they get angry, doesn’t make for good conversation.
@Justgetitright
oooo I’m not sure about Constance Markievicz
But Collins was a outstanding operator but I am not so sure that he would have made a good statesman
De Valera was a good political chess maker who was able to play the different power structures off each other
But the cold war with London starved us of capital and eventually we had to trade our independence for wealth
Now we have neither.. hahahaahah
I guess its back to normal for dear old Hibernia
@Dedo. no of coarse not. got a little upset about bonn. said too much.
@Dedo. i apologize.
@ ronron
Just basically came ta say bye
the world is too complicated
hic
in everyone criticizing the bbc one must also acknowledge the rather strange anomaly of them giving mr keiser and ms herbert a soap box of their own on more than a few occasions.//.
@Bonn. chin up. i fought like hell. not enough backup although snoot was looking for you.
Come on Bonn I know we had our tiffs but get the fuck back into the game.
everybody.
Looks like common sense isn’t so common once you become the leader of a country. Krud really doesn’t get it, our banks didn’t fail due to the regulations in place, so lets get rid of them so they can fail like the UK/US et al banks. Ohh it makes you all warm and cosy knowing someone like this is molding your childrens future.
Story here http://tinyurl.com/ybnagk5
@BonnBonn
How do we know its the real Bonn?
Fed’s balance sheet liabilities hit record $2.274 trillion in the week ended January 13 from 2.216 trillion in the prior week http://tinyurl.com/yhquoso
Treasury $74 bln sell in notes, bonds DONE – 14 January 2010 http://tinyurl.com/yjjnyvo
@WL who’s bonn bonn.
@WL. that’s the skinny fucker all right.
File share web founder cleared of fraud
THE founder of a website accused of being one of the world’s biggest sources of illegally downloaded music has been cleared of fraud by a UK court, reports said today.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/breaking-news/file-share-web-founder-cleared-of-fraud/story-fn3dxity-1225820300971
@ronx2
I am not convinced, could be one of those infiltrators doing some psyops
@CorkoD
I feel some of your spirit. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADTj182rc9A
@WL. there ain’t a spook around can follow that act.
@Justget Itright
The only time I have spirit in me is when I am talking to Mr Powers Jameson or Paddy
Parhaps Max himself is the spook – his job is to create enough agitation to excite the free radicals and then expose them in cyberspace
Max who is your controller?
@The Jerk of Cork
“Parhaps Max himself is the spook – his job is to create enough agitation to excite the free radicals and then expose them in cyberspace
Max who is your controller?”
Max did attend a foreign training camp run by radicals, I think it was in Pentiction
more on
Music file-sharer ‘Oink’ cleared of fraud
http://tinyurl.com/yelnkpe
glad he’s free.
That is Penticton .. spelling
the spooks are gonna be awfully disapointed rond here. although maybe they don’t care who’s ass get the light bulb.
@WL. you in BC
@bonn – Your logic for leaving is the same as this magazine cover:
http://alignmap.com/wp-content/Graphics/lampoon-dog-big.jpg
You have a good reason to stop watching Max’s videos, but not a reason to leave our budding little community! Come back, dude!
@WL. penticton ontario.
@Will. good on ya.
World Progress Report
http://tinyurl.com/yhwnkyo
UNdata provides a catalog of 27 United Nations statistical databases and 60 million records about the past, present, and future state of the world.
Russians are coming, but with news or propaganda?
Whose infiltrating who now? Obama’s gonna need a lot provocateurs for this job, I’m gonna start a private clearing house of freelancee ‘postocovuers’,
I’ll call it Hack Water!
@Da do da ronron
Really, there is a Penticton Ontario. So the nukes over Penticton BC were the wrong training camp….
I don see no friggin Bonn, that itza imposer
@ronron –
not WL, but in BC.
Jesus I thought this place was real until I saw the wine growing area north of the border
But I guess some citys feel more virtual then that place
Who do they pay tax too I wonder
@Underfunded. weird i’ve had a mind of my own always. there really is a war on for minds. unbemotherfuckinlievable. the bube fucking tube is fucking peeps up.
Speaking of things Russian…here is a fascinating interview with Nursultan Nazarbayev, ruler of Kazakhstan since 1991, a country which Europe depends upon for approx 25% of its energy needs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eldqxv47QFM&feature=sub
Peak Food??
1/14/10 Jim Rogers on CNBC: Agricultural Commodity Prices To Go Through the Roof
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Ar_7KgiGIc&feature=sub
penticton bc for sure. penatang ontario. sorry
@ gonzomarx
re. Doug Stanhope.
enjoyed and shared. tnx
@TheJerk. the wine growing area is in niagara. the no whining zone is elsewhere.
@WL
How does the idea of a Limited but powerful state strike you rather then the reality of now where the state can bend the law to its will and yet not be powerful enough to stand up to vested interests and utilities
@ ronron ‘mind of you own’
that makes you a provocateur in their book,
it is kinda provocative these days.
i think that’s why we all come here,
it doesn’t take to much to provoke a response,
which is a good thing
yeah Stanhope is a top boy
@TheJerk. why don’t we all grow wings and fly to our favorite smorgasboarge.
shut up I’m pourin funny down my neck LOL
I’m getting that Total Recall feeling about this place – (The advertisments of perfect places to visit)
Parhaps it does exist
I will be back in a miniute but Sharon is calling me again, she is very demanding.
@Underfunded. unless there’s a nut like me around.
where’s that skinny fucking bonn?
140,000 dead in Haiti..
@The Jerk of Cork
The gov is not independent, it is bought and paid for in collusion with the special interests. So, it is all powerful yet not interested in exerting that power on its co-conspirators. Any restraint forwarded upon them by the Government is pure Kabuki theatre.
That is the falsehood of statism, really an alchemy of tyranny and fascism. The elites control the government and it works for them at the expense of the individual.
The Unions just got a $60,000,000,000 tax break on healthcare insurance tax.
Some workers are more equal than others…
I’m sorry Bonn left, he shouldn’t take things so to heart. Max was just speaking in general of the American people……generalities are always inaccurate. But, he’s human. What the hell.
@WL. so union peeps stand up for there rights. got it.
Slow Food Nation: The World Food Crisis Vid http://tinyurl.com/yless73
Food costs to soar as big freeze deepens http://tinyurl.com/y9ohmdg
Developed countries face threat of soaring prices and food shortages http://tinyurl.com/yzo4f6w
@WL. think they’ll take the boots to those union peeps first.
@Naomi. well were in the big time here. soon we’ll be farting through silk underwear.
the average peeps may never figure out the bullcraap they have been spoon fed for decades.
There might only ever be a few that question what they are told.
As my sister says. Sometimes its better to be unaware of things and stupid. It will make their deaths easier to handle not knowing its coming.
@ronron
Oh I got it backroom deals and Obamas reverse Midas touch will kick the Dems in ass…
Unfortunately the opposition is just as bad, so the best we can hope for is gridlock.
@Mother,…..AND!!
lol @ impartial bbc news!
You cannot be impartial if you are dictated by press releases from interest groups which you passively report. For impartial, read passive, a void filled by public relations and “think tanks”.
I’m not saying it’s good or bad, but the bbc is not impartial, that is such a silly statement, I wonder if it was said with a straight face.
Sky News = BBC News, they seem to receive press releases in their inbox and report the same things.
Mind you, if you want to see saturated coverage of Tiger Woods and Michael Jackson it’s the place to be!
@WL.no. please.no politics here. who’s fucking head will get kicked. the peeps that say no. union peeps?
@WL. my lips can be read. no spooky shit here.
@Mother,…155,520 deaths a day, every day,…what you gunna do about it Mr!
I thought you had a planet to save : )
Max and Stacey when are you going to a show on the real estate bubbles in Canada and Australia? 2010 should bring about some interesting pricing changes.
@comrade ronron
So, now the $17 million per year in Viagra that GM workers consume can be subsidized by non union workers.
There is a joke in there, make up your own…
@WL
Sure the State is a clusterfuck of Mammoth proportions
But why did we fall so far – do not get me wrong things were never perfect but………
For what its worth I believe we are in this mess because there is no concept of the state as a separate entity.
When this happens lobbyists hold the strings of power since how can you betray a idea that no longer exists.
How can you commit treason when you have no patriotism
(I am thinking of our elected representatives giving ultimate power to utilities)
To give one example that should unite both sides of the political spectrum – Dog soldiers ….. – alarm bells should be ringing loudly in each citizens head when large sections of the armed forces are mercenaries – when soldiers for hire come back they are still for hire – for Gods sake does anybody read History anymore , have they heard of the SS or the brown shirts
What is going on here
I could go on about other subjects which people could disagree on but what scares me is that previous lines in the sand that everybody could agree on are wiped clean
@Dedo. if only oboma would fly to haiti and put his hand on a black mans head then fly to iceland and put his hand on a white mans head elvis would appear.
@WL. thanks for the setup. here’s the joke. some heads are gonna get kicked in soon. watch it ain’t yours.
22% unemployment. now. no fucking fairytale.
@WL
ummm . . . non-union shafted by unions?
I know, sad isn’t it.
*. . . sad isn’t it
the joke that is.
@ronron,…it’s the “doublethink” that confuses me,…Kill folk all over the planet by decree (in the millions) but as soon as there’s a “natural” disaster,…cue the sad music and charities !
@Dedo. nothing confusing. nobody gives a fuck. simple as that.
Greenwald’s take on cognitive infiltration
http://tinyurl.com/yde4ug8
@ the j of c
no, people don’t read history very much these days
shame too, renter strikes, draft riots, sedition laws,
pretty exiciting stuff really
@The Jerk of Cork
I hear ya. At least on paper statism seems to make sense. The innate primal human drive for power and control corrupts the system as it is made of men. The US constitution was the closest we got to true individual liberty and elites have ran roughshot and disemboweled it while some at the same time swearing an oath to it.
It is tribalism, unfortunately the ruling tribe is the elite, the rest are to be harvested or discarded.
IMO, the Government should protect individual liberties and freedoms from the elites via laws. That is the glossy sales brochure, in reality the Government represents the elites and protects them from “The Common Man”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQvsf2MUKRQ
@WL
You seem to be fixated on groups of workers who consume
But if a society spends most of its capital on consumption it has to consume
A simple example is the Goldman Sachs circus where people criticise Goldman for spending all of its money on bonuses
Yet because of its low capital requirements it can only spend its money on wages or dividends
If it had higher capital requirements it would not be able to pay its servants and owners in fact I doubt it would be in business
Of course this is why the US postion is vunerable since it is running down its collective capital in the interests of the financial mafia
@Comrade ronron
I worked in a union so I know of what I speak…
Nothing like a little Celente to get your juices flowing again.
Gerald Celente: Financial mafia controlling US and Wall Street
http://eclipptv.com/viewVideo.php?video_id=9493
@WL
I think people were having the same conversations 1600 years ago and all the talk did not matter Jack shit
The system fell because it was going to fall
Our leaders are corrupt and the proles who elect them are even worse
The unions were responsible for creating the large, vibrant middle class in America.
NAFTA and GATT was the beginning of the end. American workers compete with slave wages, unsafe work environments, no compensation for work injuries, etc.
Unions got a little to strong for their own good. The pendulum would have swung back the other way with time. Instead, the pendulum snapped in two and skewered the middle class.
@Bonn. this ones for you. it makes no difference the band utube.
@The Jerk of Cork
Oh no no, with respect to the US, all roads lead to Triffins Dilemma. The US, as a world reserve to maintain that status (control and a free ride) they must run a deficit equal to the economic growth outside of the US. They must expand their debt model proportionately. So, the Banksters and the Government collude to constantly grow that debt which has hit critical mass. For the US it is consume or die, this is unsustainable. It nearly hit that mass in 1980, but the development of OTC derivatives acted as a “fiat” within a fiat and continued the debt model. Now, the IMF is being prepped to kick the problem over to them and keep the scam going. All money is loaned into existence, so debt and consumption is necessary. That is the corrupt system we are in, not that i like it.
Repost
Jim Rickards great interview if anyone missed it..
http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast/Entries/2010/1/9_Jim_Rickards.html
@Y’All
what a load of fucking bollox… ya gotta laugh when the americans start blubbing!!!!
@ wl
What we call capitalism is actually debitism,
that’s economic speak for slavery.
who’s the fucking cockney?
Yes I cannot disagree , yet before 71 it did spend at least some of its capital on developing more capital
I guess oil is a powerful drug and it was not prepared to make even small sacrifices when domestic oil production peaked
@ronron
you mean these guys
http://www.cacophony.org/
@Underfunded. were not talking cockney pony’s here.
it always leads back to fucking pony’s.
I was just going back to JFK on google and even though in many respects he was the first TV spin president the guy had serious balls
Parhaps the last ever president of America
@TheJerk. it was on the miami calender.
Wish that bloke Ilya would come back, now he really had some interesting ideas, but he got pissed off & left because posts here that contain a certain word of a certain religion starting with the letter J are (or at least were) pre-moderated.
you may praise them all you like.
ilya. spook for sure. knew it was lala land.
@Y’all
the best the world has ever seen… we were perfect… we were beautiful… the ghost of 1776 even… this aint the WALTONS….wheres John WAYNE…. this aint a movie it’s real LIFE you are talking about a FRIKKIN… country… JOHN WAYNE….APPLE PIE… DISNEY… JFK … 911… ELVIS … our father on WALL STREET…. the lordc GOD BIG BUCK…. my country tis of thee…LOOKING OUT FOR NUMBER ONE…. buy GOLD… YEEHAW…. moan…. moan… get a GRIP for fucks sake…. move on… LET IT GO… THIS IS YOUR LAND…. from sea to shining…. SHUT UP…. SHUT UP…. YEAH WE HAVE ALL HEARD IT …. NOW WHAT…. NOTHING SO SHUT UP… and change that FUCKING RECORD,,,, there is no AMERICA there was no AMERICA… planet EARTH CALLING is there ANYBODY THERE WORTH SAVING???
@Y’all
ooops I forgot the KLAN… you SHEET HEADS… fucking SHEET HEADS!!!
jfk tested the national security state and got wacked, this set into motion the continuity of govt. program, effectively ending representational democracy in america, the world wasn’t crying just for johnny, but for what he represented, his resistance to the machine, america never recovered
How mighty white of France (sorry, Frenchies): France asks Hait’s creditors to cancel all debts quickly:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100115/ap_on_bi_ge/eu_france_haiti_debt_1
Notice towards the end that the IMF has announced a new loan of $100 million for Haitian reconstruction. (How mighty white of the US.)
i think sg is that other fuck with the winter hat on. is it gb. can’t fucking remember. the sparrow eater. burns his fried rat.
cockney dude.
@Y’all
why…why…wh… why… why…. whimper whimper…. MUMMY. WHY do I have to leave home and GROW UP WHY!!!
sheet head. could be the dregs of glasga.
@Y;all
s’funny how so many people get misty eyed about a racist on here… innit… all the REAL SHIT going down in the WORLD and all you wanna talk about is a FANTASY… AMERICAN….DREAMS ACCENTS… the DOLLAH…. and fucking RACISTS…. DENIAL FUCKING DENIAL…. most of you lot are BEYOND SAVING!!!!
@sg
Yes it’s too bad citizens aren’t allowed to choose their nation based on tax incentives, or guaranteed services like multinationals do. What nation do transnationals plegde allegiance to.
the dregs surround the city. circles. many of them.Glasgow.
@Y’all
and lets not forget AMERICAS FEAR of what might be… anything, ANYTHING but just don’t LOOK AT THE WORLD TODAY…. YOU GREEDY FAT IDIOTIC BASTARDS… no wonder there is a reason they DON’T NEED MANY PASSPORTS… in the USA…. MUPPETS!!!
anyway. no band fans, no bonn, and no snoot. so bye y’all.
@sg
you sound nationalstic,
which nation are you rooting for?
digby nails some thoughts of mine…
“….The question isn’t whether the system is broken. Of course it is. Has it ever not been to one extent or another? Short of a catastrophe that sets the wealthy temporarily on their heels, has there ever been a time when the common man was running things? No. The best we’ve ever done is mitigate their excessess and make incremental progress in the lives of everyday citizens over time…….If you want to make it better, the question is whether or not you’re going to hold your breath until you turn blue (or hang around in blog comments patting yourself on the back for your world weary cynicism, which is the same thing) or whether you actually give a damn……There actually are avenues to fundamental change besides complaining about politicians……….. intense impatience with this endless, cynical posturing about how everything’s rigged and there’s no point in anything. That’s fine if you think that, plenty of people do, but I can’t for the life of me figure out why you aren’t watching a sporting event or playing a video game instead of commenting on a political blog.”
http://tinyurl.com/y8wh82z
Nice to see everyone getting on tonight
RonRon…you still happy with your “$ Bear call” for next week?
Mike
max is gonna have a dream about bonn tonight.
http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php
@Mike. yep. on for an ounce of silver.
SG,
Did your tampon spring a leak?
@SG
Although I was never a fan of John Wayne I believe this was his finest moment
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KgyiK7rammI
Racketeering 102: Fed’s Lacker Threatens With Mutually Assured Destruction If Fed Audited
…I know it might sound self serving for a Fed insider to object to such changes, but I believe such moves would present very serious risks to the effectiveness of monetary policy and ultimately to economic growth and stability.
…
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/racketeerin-102-feds-lacker-threatens-mutually-assured-destruction-if-fed-audited
LOL … “effectiveness of monetary policy ”
YOUR monetary policy … I’m sure !
@TU
that’s just it… everything that I like about being english is about the people… FUCK OUR FLAG. FUCK WORDS ON a piece of paper… FUCK THE QUEEN… FUCK RELIGON… FUCK BELIEVING IN SHIT… FUCK OUR HISTORY… FUCK IT ALL WE DON’T NEED IT… I’ve GOT MY FRIENDS AND MY FAMILY the REST IS CRAP!!!
1235 canadian. lets go.
@SG. so why are you mouthing off here with your shite.
@Y’all
FUCK GOLD AND FUCK MONEY YOU MUPPETS… check this out you… just try to do something for your SOUL and for no other REASON… before it’s TOO LATE… and get BACK TO ME!!!
@SG,.am I close?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c6PzyqZXBM8&feature=channel
@Mike/Liverpool. you are a gold bug. can’t get you to bet against it. hahahaha.
This is what happens when we reach the end of the yellow brick road
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HaxURLFn6jU
@SG
I agree. It’s about people regardless of nationality. I felt your rant was pointed to an earlier post of mine, and if it didn’t then disregard this one.
GATT did more harm than good for all people on the planet. Haiti, for example had the small farmers wiped out when subsidized crops were introduced. Same in other third world countries, which caused people to migrate to cities looking for work. Plenty of them and cheap too. Paid subsitence wages to work in unsafe conditions. Plenty of bodies to fill the void when you fall.
@The Joc,…..so it’s gunna be all for one,…one for all ! ?
@SG
Yes you may be right but you Saxons still get fucked up the arce by some nice Norman bloke
I hear they like that sort of thing
look america is the greediest most useless culture on the planet….. you consume and have wasted more than anybody else on the planet…. there has never been anything good about your country…. you are second hand europeans who created a country using the biggest mass genocide known to man… you started off wrong and you ended up wrong…. and if you dont learn to shut up as a people you may never have an intelligent thought and may never figure out a way to get out of the mess youre in….
be quiet and reflect…. stop teling us about yourselves… you donuts
I listen to some folk on here,.and they seem to hate folk with resources,.I wonder how they would be,..wearing the other shoe?
Personally,.I’ve always found it hard to “hate”,..no matter my circumstances,.but hey,..each to their own,..
SG
excuse me, but your defeated empire machinations completely eradicated any point you made earlier . . . I thought you were having a serious conversation. Don’t worry, America will fall as all empires do.
@SG. when did you discover this?
@SG. your singing to the fucking choir.
@ sg
we ‘mericans learned it from the best,
i’m tenth generation manifest destiny, via yorkshire,
we have always been your loyal vassels,
It’s a good thing no one here has a finger on the button . . . WWIII would begin tonight LOL
Goldman Takes A Stab At Gold Bugs And ‘Oil-Peak’ers, Says Dollar Will Flourish http://tinyurl.com/ycgvvsv
Bonn made one to many references to the Brit influence in India. SG simmered for days . . .
@SG. i’ve always stood behind big underwear. yes we will have to phase out of it, but for now it’s needed.
i dont mind americans as individuals as i have often stated…..but i dont think the planet will ever move forward while americans hold on to this misty eyed, backward looking belief that their country was perfect in its conception….. or that the free market ever existed except for a few lucky individuals and a lot of deluded dreamers who were only getting fat at the expense of the rest of the world or their own slaves
@Dan11. what. bonn. fuck that SG cock sucker.
when homo sapien encountered Neanderthal, the first said to the second: “this planet ain’t big enough for the both of us” . . . been like that ever since.
I thnk we should all reflect on the human condition http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGScY
cockney prick.
sorry I just proved my point there
Once again I ask you to reflect
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XrGScY_INFs
@dan II
yes, the banks will have us all waving our flags long after they have stolen all our money, it is their get away car, works everytime
SG
No one claimed perfection. All countries have dirty little secrets. Let’s keep the good parts and toss the rest.
now i know he’s not from the dregs. cockney fucker.
@The Underfundedmentalist
Ok if I use my flagpole to shove it up their arse before they get in the car?
U.N.’s World Health Organization Eyeing Global Tax on Banking, Internet Activity http://tinyurl.com/yjq5jyf
More pearls of wisdom here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=boUD5eG9Bf4
@The under
yorkshire… we know where you come from… er… cos you’re all still stuck.. in the past…. DAMN!!!
@Youri – WHO taxes
The just never let up do they. Incessant scheming. Constantly.
Surprise Surprise, Big Banks Accused of Mortgage Fraud on Short Sales http://tinyurl.com/d8q6j
@DANTU
I SWEAR ON MY DAUGHTERS LIFE I NEVER READ MORE THAN ONE OF THAT GUYS POSTS!!!!
@ Dan II
I would support that movement.
@Dan II
Yep it’s fighting standing or dieing with a ronron jerked up your fuckin cork
@SG
I have to agree with you to a certain extent
But the very fact that Americans are so Materialist makes them a problem for bankers because they do not buy the more abstract theories floated from Europe
They read the tin and do what the tin of beans tells them to do and they eat it.
Its just that the bankers can not make a profit anymore so they are turning on the host
I believe that if and when America awakes from its Coma it will make China look like Belgium
They will not accept austerity but instead they will make the planet glow
When or if we get through this crisis the world will be very different
@SG. I’m honored. I know you’ve read at least two of mine. BTW, who is the racist?
be back later all . . .
@jerk from cork
yeah I didn’t mention the use of NUKES… I’m trying to be as nice about it all as I can!!!!
@Y’ALL
I don’t come on this site to READ in jokes or drunken IDIOTIC CHIT CHAT… a lot of people on here do post ORIGINAL, clever and REALLY WARM HEARTED STUFF… but I try to avoid the obvious racists and the repetitive… a while back I started skimmering and FILTERING…. LIFE IS WAY TOO SHORT!!!
America has totally gone besurk!
Youtube guru Kandee Johnson charged for leaving her 12 year old son alone for 2 hours. http://kandeethemakeupartist.blogspot.com/2010/01/why-i-was-in-court-look-of-jail-bars.html
“He said it was unfit living conditions, and that I would be charged with Child Endangerment and Child Neglect, because I had a home with the “ingredients” to make a “flame-thrower”……
WHAT ingredients you might ask?Huh Hair Spray! I had hair spray, and I had a lighter- a lighter I use to light my Scented Oil- Burner to make my house smell nice!”
@sg
thanks for letting us know what this site does for you
it’s all about communicating one’s needs
@SG
Lets not be nice lets be honest
I was not trying to criticise Americans , I was merely saying they just think differently about subjects because of their puritan past
And what is a disadvantage in some ways can be a advantage in others.
When or if Americans recognize the problem they will shift radically in their policies
Europeans would never do something radical even if it was logical
“and lets not forget AMERICAS FEAR of what might be”
Lady Liberty
They laid her to rest
On a plank
Wet with her best
Sunday stank
Long till sunset
Thinking hard
Bout when to let
The body in a shard
Better done yesterday
Better done right away
Fore the children wake up
Know their mother’s done
Gone left em without sup
Or home to lay privy stone
To the door
Dig the trench
Deep to the floor
No caretaker’s bench
Dark the ground’s song
Heavy chains long
Wrap round
Let fall come
And spring bound
With tears wet dome
Drawn like new-flesh
Eye-closed jets
Of plumed fountains fresh
Spread on lawns
Cracks of lantana sway
Long morning’s promise into day
Lest we forget
Dear life
Dear dear love
Ours for a moment
Held fast without words
As the morning sleep
Awakens longing
One thing about Americans is they still have to be lied to.
Regulators seize three more banks in U.S. (4 Total in 2010 now) 15 January 2010 (Reuters) http://tinyurl.com/ye6avwo
Failed Bank List: http://tinyurl.com/226vl3
Lost now
My home
Heralded by mocking
Voiced crows
And wee-spirited grey sprites
At their wizened play
the planet will ever move forward
Well, Mr. StoneGirded Goon, are you the one to push the planet forward with your prelated pontifications?
Americans really believe in their belief systems while over here we just pay lip service to it
If the American mind is exposed to this form of reality it will collapse and then all hell will break out
These moments in history do not come around very often .
Marc Faber seems to be hinting at this every time he talks about collapse and as you know that is all the time
Nice snootin’ fran!
Because there is nothing like the stench of the stone-throwers, all worked to a sweat in their righteous, wise, and necessary task of eliminating their own face in the mirror.
Do, carry on.
@snoot
I was thinking to myself what the English have ever done for the Irish and too be honest its allot and some of it has been good
But the best thing they ever done for us was give us the word FUCK
I mean the word has a amazing utility and can be used in all situations except polite company ,in fact I use it all the fucking time
@frances
we have incredible inequality here just as in america… I live less than half a mile from the city… in my borough… it’s been named… SUPER-GENTRIFICATION… the bankers… I live along side them… SCUM… that’s why I don’t have too much time to worry about the future that to me is a kinda luxury… I deal with them everyday… but do you wanna deny you are the richest greediest most influential culture on the planet… that you are spreading competition… aspiration and gun violence like a plague!!!
SG – the bankers are thriving in his financial ecosystem.
He’s the loan shark and monetary lion of our community.
But, all organisms have a weakness.
It may be to have millions of Americans file bankruptcy immediately. Those bankruptcies would clear in the next 50-100 days and force mark to market to happen.
@Jerk from Cork
mostly I prefer the irish contingent on this site to the english… they have a much better sense of humour and attitude!!!
@SG,..one word,…..lol,.hang on,.just gaining my composure,.hehe,.hang on,..lol,….okay one word,.
you might not get it,.(I don’t think you will)
DELUDED! : )
Still love ya babe,..still love ya haha
@SG
well it helps when that is all you have left
@SG:
So very kind of you to address me personally, or was it “my” culture to whom you wish to speak? Because, I feel your earlier jihad was rather inane: especially the reference to ”is there anyone worth saving”. People to me are people: you who claim to be free from prejudice are literally steeped in hatred towards a people of whom you know abso-fucking-lootly nothing. Period. You probably don’t even know an American to spit on. You base your personal perfervidity on news or commentary or songs or tv shows or god-knows-what.
People all over the world fight in wars according to their own culpable ignorance.
People all over the world are violent.
People all over the world are cruel.
You reactionaries are so feeble for you are reacting to a tabloid-view of a world which does not exist outside your imaginatory dialogues.
I did not post here to stand in defense of ‘culture’ or ‘nation’. I believe people should be not be judged: I try not to. I try to accept each person according to their own attributes and talents, not the labels or tags designed by Madison Avenue or tv sitcoms.
When I was in England, I was often regarded as an oddity for the very basis of the English observer having a few hours spent pouring over some re-runs on telly.
When our country is in disarray and arrears, you may all cheer your ballied ignorance and hail you hypocrisy. To delight in the distress of others is a very ‘human’ quality.
@frances
typical frances you make everything about you!!!
@SG
SG do not wake the sleeping dragon
The right sort of people don’t want apologies.
@ sg
‘you are the richest greediest most influential culture on the planet’
are speaking of the 37% of us on food stamps,
or cheney’s 1% club, as of yet i am in neither camp
@SG:
The pernicious Palace sitting in your London in safety from you the meek and mollified has done far more damage to the planet, utilizing America as proxy-vehicle for elite rapacious appetite. Lords and Ladies and lawn tennis?
I would rather spend my time with a gun-toting spitting cussing redneck than one of your plum-pie pansy posies prompted by the anal glories of a career in the safety-police or the hope of tatting totals in a community service endeavour.
Listen guys and girls
The heart of darkness does not lie in any country
If it is anywhere it is the square mile of London
Don’t forget the Dutch royals and of course mind the Rothschilds.
typical frances you make everything about you!!!
No, you don’t know the difference between a herd and a human, SG.
@Frances
We seem to agree on the location of evil but I would respectfully disagree with you about who is better company
The typical Norman bloke who lives in Scotland are very good fun but also very dangerous
The Panzy thing is just optics
no sooner did the allies win the war, they began fighting each other over the spoils
Yes, Jerk. I’ll gladly accept your admonition. My observations were based on Kent.
@frances
PROUD ER… YES we know this about you so proud of yourselves and always prepared to shout about it…that is the problem… BOOM another child just got shot in your country… when 64 people per million are murdered in your happy home… 15 per million are killed in ours you are welcome to it… FAT STUPID GREEDY VIOLENT BASTARDS!!!
@snoot
Thankfully I have never made any observations in Kent.
@Y’all — maybe take a breather and laugh a little:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gCU5uplB4A
Arj Barker (supporting actor on Flight of The Conchords TV show) comedy music video “World’s Sickest Buddhist”…
While we squabble over nationalistic pride, the heads of state scoff at us. It is a game played by world leaders that they represent us. They are on a stage and we are the audience. The producers of this play have loyalty to no country. They profit in peacetime and reap ungodly gains during war.
It wasn’t that long ago that I peeked behind the curtain. I have a lot to learn, but at least now I know I’m being played to. If we are going to throw tomatoes, lets aim at the correct targets.
@SG:
FAT STUPID GREEDY VIOLENT BASTARDS!!!
Whatever.
@TU
WHY do ALL of you americans take everything as a personal slight someone is talking about your country and all you can do is puff up your chest and talk about yourselves and miss the point completely!!!
@sg
what did the ol roman empire and today’s american empire have in common?
@SG
What? What slight, did you slight me?
so much for offering the olive branch . . .
I have really enjoyed your civilised company but the Jerk must go to sleep, nighty night.
oops, TU = The Underfundedmentalist
sorry SG, now I’m a little slow on the up take . . .
We are all being harvested, nationalism is the illusionary pen. If you escape out of your pen, you are harvested in another pen like say FRANCE. Unless you are not worth harvesting, of course.
We are all slaves, best anybody can do is understand it and find a niche that they can thrive in.
All roads lead to tyranny
Fabian socialist and Progressive hero George Bernard Shaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQvsf2MUKRQ
@DANTU @TU
see the diff????
@DANT
oops… COOL!!!
doh . . .
Ted Kennedy
“An Inconvenient Death”
for the Dems and the Progressives
http://ow.ly/WFrx
@WL
I’m well into niches!!!
@JustGet
GO ON WHAT !!!
@sg
well things like FAT STUPID GREEDY VIOLENT BASTARDS!!!
might make some a bit defensive, I love the frank discussion.
I believe most americans don’t know the half of their nation’s sins, but most of california would agree with you 100%, especially our second class citizen farm labor. Who are these americans you’ve been talkin to? most of the really proud ones don’t leave the country.
@SG
You don’t have to shout dude … monetary trouble, military problems and Imperial incompetence, ya know people in my country think they are infallible … the wake up call is near, we are fucked sg, the dumb sheeple just don,t know it.
sg, what country do you live?
@TU
I don’t waste my time trying to big up my country everytime sombody puts it down… but as I said before all that we were so perfect rubbish that nearly all americans spout drives me mad!!!
All you have to do is look to see who the haves and have nots are in this world are realize the haves are organizing it this way.
i don’t know how anyone can break up the monopoly of a few over all of us.
But at least some folks realize now what is going on. For so long folks just thought the super rich were rich through luck or something. i think birth might have some to do with it. Gawd bless the heirchy of the rich.
false nostaglia is all we have in the new world
Can someone point out what Max said to piss off Bonn and where he said it? Ive been out of the loop awhile.
Is bonn another government stooge insider spreading misinformation that they do so unwell. Or is it someone else.
@just get
YEAH… it’s just splitting hairs at the end of the day… the richest countries have the most inequality… and the most unhappy people… you will find the same kind of super rich aristocrats really wealthy people in america… go NEW YORK what was the empire thing???
underfund, most americans don’t want to know the crimes and killing and destruction the usa government is doing. JUst give us our fancy life and we’ll look the other way. Its probably why most of the world thinks the usa is a pig imperlist country now. Very sad. Had so much potential. But greed or something made them go evil.
@marietta
judging from the comments… it seems it was summin about the ‘denver bomber’ I haven’t had time to watch the latest ep of ‘on the edge’ so I can’t be completely sure!!!
@SG
since we know we are fucked, I suggest to have some fun
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5ouOa9k0gE&feature=related
Worker Finds Cocaine in KSC Shuttle Facility 15 January 2010 (Softpedia) http://tinyurl.com/y8qm3j7
@SG
It’s weird. I watched on the edge and even the last post of Keiser report and i didn’t see anything like what Bonn was describing. I thought maybe there was some other post with a Max witicism that I had missed in my quick scan.
Thank you SG.
The hangar is opened only to certain people
@sg-But greed or something made them go evil.
money is the devils advocate, THIS is the root of the evil.
@ marietta
i think it was on tam nz
max said the system didn’t afford him apathy, but i thought max was talking about the foreclosed in detroit, not the bomb plot
empathy, the system doesn’t afford max empathy
… and the little man is innocent? debt debt debt and excuses excuses excuses… There is a way to move the mountains.
Polar bear poo helps in superbug hunt http://tinyurl.com/y9pvn6n
@marittea
the rant that upset bonn,
truth about comments, jan 10th at 24 mins in
max was refering to any casaulties in the global casino gulag, and how he can’t feel sorry for either side
http://subrealism.blogspot.com/2010/01/council-of-governors.html
Thank you underfun
i cant imagine max’d say anything like ‘who cares the detroit passengers’ or whatever. he’s for the people, not the elitists. ive heard him say on a few occasions words to the effect of ‘if the American people dont rise up and protest at wats happening to them then they deserve their fate’. and i’d agree with him in this sentiment, regardless of which nation he’s talking about.
China, Iran and Russia both have rights to jam private US sat TV networks — as well as to broadcast on MW into the US via Cuba.
To what extent this applies to the UK is unclear, but Sky News is a US TV network by ownership.
The US is a debtor nation — one of the greatest debtor nations ever to exist — and as such it has lost its rights to full access to the airwaves.
China, Iran and Russia should not as states jam directly — but contract out to groups that have been put at disadvantage by the US — this way plausible denyability can be maintained.
When in doubt follow the nepots:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=Nepotism&ctab=0&geo=us&geor=all&date=all
When in doubt follow the luxury goods:
http://www.google.com/finance?q=GOOGLEINDEX_US:LUXURY
Albeit following Luxury goods in terms of USD flight currencies has varying results…
http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=Linear&chdeh=0&chdet=1263620377329&chddm=1417&cmpto=CURRENCY:USDCHF;CURRENCY:USDCAD&cmptdms=1;1&q=GOOGLEINDEX_US:LUXURY&
http://www.lewrockwell.com/greenwald/greenwald55.html
“You really have to hand it to this guy. I mean, the economy is in the toilet, and he’s making a bundle.”
You have to watch this: The Survivors (Robin Williams)
http://quicksilverscreen.com/watch?video=163815
Must have been financed by GS at the time in order to perpetuate the Saching of the country for a while longer…
@Max Power
“When in doubt follow the luxury goods:” Yeah, good stuff!
Like to add: Also look at Transport, Train, Trucking and Shipping – Baltic Dry
@ scott
nice link
‘Throughout, we assume a well-motivated government that aims to eliminate conspiracy theories, or draw their poison, if and only if social welfare is improved by doing so.’
cass sunstein
then why don’t they infiltrate goldman sachs emails,
guess that’s not the conspiracy they are worried about
news/propaganda. whats the difference. you withhold a piece of information or add a piece thats not supposed to be there, the news turns into propaganda. all news outlets are run with the desire for profit. not information. it becomes a circus when max yells and hollers about financial terrorist, just as jim kramer yells about buying stocks that suck. im tired of the truth. give me honesty.
BNP member given 11 years for making bombs and guns
http://tinyurl.com/ygkfw7r
So from this we can assume that the government will ban the BNP……oh i forgot their the right kind of extremist.
I see that Floored the documentary movie about traders is just out.
http://flooredthemovie.com/
Jeff Dunham – Achmed the Dead Terrorist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1uwOL4rB-go
Societe Generale Ordered to Stop Derivatives Trading in India http://tinyurl.com/yhfqkng
China data show record reserves, strong lending growth 95.3% more than a year earlier http://tinyurl.com/ybjnah5
China Reserves Hit Record $2.4 Trillion as Loan Growth Quickens http://tinyurl.com/y9huyza
Bob Chapman – Jan 14, 2010 (Audio Vids) http://tinyurl.com/ygl96kd
Treasury 10-year notes posted the biggest gain since November as retail sales unexpectedly declined and consumer prices rose less than forecast, spurring demand at the week’s $84 billion in note and bond sales. http://tinyurl.com/yff6tc8
The people can see through most of the Bolshie Broadcasting Company official party line indoctrination! The bbc should be outlawed as it is imposed through tax on the british people and the people who work for the bbc treat the public with utter contempt! Especially those in the anchor positions. bbc regional radio operates more freely.
@Y’all
Max says things I don’t believe in sometimes… so what… I make my point … we are all free to do that here… DAMN Max allows us all to stand on his shoulders and get our agendas across on here…. DAMN…. BE GRATEFUL…asking Max or anyone else to apologise on here is DUMB… DAMN… argue with the MAN if you wanna… but apologise… C’mon!!!
“we are all free to do that here”
but as I said before all that we were so perfect rubbish that nearly all americans spout drives me mad!!!
but i dont think the planet will ever move forward while americans hold on to this misty eyed, backward looking belief
typical frances you make everything about you!!!
what a load of fucking bollox… ya gotta laugh when the americans start blubbing!!!!
SHUT UP…. SHUT UP…. YEAH WE HAVE ALL HEARD IT …. NOW WHAT…. NOTHING SO SHUT UP… and change that FUCKING RECORD,,,, there is no AMERICA there was no AMERICA… planet EARTH CALLING is there ANYBODY THERE WORTH SAVING???
and if you dont learn to shut up as a people you may never have an intelligent thought and may never figure out a way to get out of the mess youre in….
be quiet and reflect…. stop teling us about yourselves… you donuts
@SG: On the one hand you insist that all are free to speak their minds here, on the other you marginalize Americans as criminal and their voice and unacceptable. Do you represent the views of the site owners?
If not, then you are extremely inconsistent.
I know that Stacey said the ‘best thing for America’ would be a total collapse.
Do you represent the elite in Europe that see great gain in the collapse of America through the consolidation of imperial and colonial interest in their puppet UN and the ECB/EU?
I wonder.
“DAMN Max allows us all to stand on his shoulders and get our agendas across on here…”
Max should be grateful for the time and talent seen on this ‘comment section’. Instead of thanks or credit, I’ve received abuse and marginalization. My ideas are consistent and lucid.
I’ve written at university level and only ever received an A on all my work, on all my essays. My professor indicated that he preferred my papers to all the ones he had ever read.
Is that ‘puffing up pride’? I mention that because I was told I ‘had no knowledge’, wrote ‘juxtapoetry’, and was ‘pointless’.
SG insists Max is out for the common man, but this site declares otherwise. Topics that are pertinent are ignored in favor of those that favor a European perspective whilst denigrating American people or culture.
One example would be the covered bond issue coming out of the EU this winter. American enterprise was not permitted to issue these bonds due to restrictions put in place by European regulators. The same regulators now stand to make securitization, as it is written in America, unprofitable, and to close down the American economy and deny access to credit to the American people through banking accounting regulations. The covered bonds are permitted under the very regulations the Europeans wrote themselves.
It is Europeans who have issued fiat the sdr (250+B) which are used to make liquid a reserve for all nations. It is the Europeans who profit from the sdr as accounting unit: it is the unit of account for both the IMF and the BIS. It is European influence seen in the finance secretaries that sit on the IMF governing board and, Rasputin-like, concierge European interests in every nation operating under the IMF/G20 system.
America’s ‘collapse’ (looting) will not end the IMF/G20, it only consolidates power and monopoly in European hands. Risk will be denied those deigned unsavory to this colonizing empire based
IN EUROPE.
Our Congress is ‘owned’ by George Soros, who represents the profit/margin of Europeans, not Americans.
The Europeans are culpable in allowing their own superstate machine to prelate the IMF and to colonize innocent indigenous people through the proxy arm of the US military.
Am I ‘free’ to say that here, SG? Because you and the site manager may take my freedom away to write here, but you cannot marginalize nor deny individual freedom to Americans nor can your fascist-driven ideologies. Freedom is an inherent right.
I think Europeans are poking at a sleeping Giant
We should be wise and take our profits before the ogre registers the scam.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE60E1SN20100115
Government-guaranteed issues have fallen away sharply. Government-backed bonds were a key source of funds for banks this time last year when the credit crisis froze financial markets.
European banks have made bigger inroads than usual into the U.S. dollar domestic bond arena, known as the Yankee bond market.
Issuers, which have included Barclays (BARC.L), Credit Suisse (CSGN.VX), Deutsche Bank (DBKGn.DE) and Santander (SAN.MC), have sold some $16.55 billion of Yankee bonds so far this year, according to Thomson Reuters data.
Covered bonds market hits record level
By Alex Chambers and Jane Merriman
LONDON, Jan 15 (Reuters) – Europe’s banks have dominated a rush of new bond issues this month, including in the U.S. dollar domestic bond market, where they have made up the bulk of issuance so far this year.
As Europe’s banks start refinancing 935 billion euros ($1,349 billion) of debt falling due in the next three years they are looking for cash wherever it’s available.
Covered bonds have been in the spotlight as a relatively low-cost instrument to refinance and extend maturity profiles that became more truncated in the run up to the credit crisis.
Issuance of covered bonds, highly-rated securities backed by pools of mortgages or public sector loans, has reached 21.9 billion euros this month, according to Thomson Reuters data.
LONDON—The market for covered bonds, the high-quality bank debt that the European Central Bank identified last year as a weapon in fighting the credit crunch, is off to a roaring start in 2010.
This week, European banks from six countries have sold more than €10 billion ($14.41 billion) of covered bonds in seven deals, in spite of the absence of some European investors for the Epiphany holiday Wednesday.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704854904574644420595485450.html
A weapon?
@snoot
I am stuck on this scratched vinyl called Irish Holdings of Us Debt and I cannot get on to the next track ,any explanation for the$54 to $38 billion in our green and pleasant land
Who owns this stuff?
Who owns this stuff?
http://www.treas.gov/tic/mfh.txt
If one substitutes the nomer IMF for US Treasury, then it makes sense. Look at it as an Irish gift to the G20 political machine. It will be denominated in sdr soon enough: new suit and tie. But the reserve surplus/deficits will be all mixy/maxy in a kitty called the International Clearing Union reserve or somesuch and will be ‘forgiven’ for a new world of the uni-servant-to-the-international-elite families. We won’t be told this. We’ll be told nice words that make all sound like heaven descending: above and below. About the world being saved ready for our progeny: although we won’t be allowed to breed or live in family units.
“The acknowledged need is for Third World countries to develop their
agricultural and industrial infrastructure for their own domestic consumption and direct less effort towards export-led growth. To the extent that international debts remain, the export imperative remains.”
http://lists.econ.utah.edu/pipermail/a-list/2009-May/075946.html
Remember Stiglitz indicated that GDP is a redundant term.
http://www.businessweek.com/the_thread/economicsunbound/archives/2009/09/stiglitz_sen_an.html
America may be viewed as a ‘third-world-nation’ according to the Krugman:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/02/04/third-world-america/
@snoot
“who owns this stuff” – well that was not very articulate but……
I am familiar with the graph of treasuries in other countries but I cannot accept that the Irish State has any control or ownership of these – as you siad the IMF is all over this and being a good vasel state , good boy sit sit I told you mutt sit
I have no financal experience but I do Know that we do not have those reserves in dollars
My suspicion is the money is being Laundered through The IFS building but I have no proof
“unfettered markets don’t work”
http://video.forbes.com/fvn/davos09/cw_davosstiglitz012909
http://blogs.wsj.com/economics/2009/09/14/sarkozy-adds-to-calls-for-gdp-alternative/
“The Stiglitz report recommends that economic indicators should stress well-being instead of production, and for non-market activities, such as domestic and charity work, to be taken into account. Indexes should integrate complex realities, such as crime, the environment and the efficiency of the health system, as well as income inequality.”
Suprasovereign standards driven not for the economic gain of individuals but for those whom Stiglitz and Sarkozy serve. The new measures will be punitive, no doubt of that, for regions (we might as well begin speaking as our ‘betters’ do) which do not cooperate with IMF functionaries according to export market decision or internal controls.
US military will be used as force vector for this new world order system.
It’s enough altruistic rhetoric to make one drown in bile. Oh. Out of Europe.
but I cannot accept that the Irish State has any control or ownership of these
absolutely correct
“We’re living in one of those epochs where certitudes have vanished… we have to reinvent, to reconstruct everything,” Sarkozy told a press conference at Sorbonne university. “The central issue is [to pick] the way of development, the model of society, the civilization we want to live in.”
Who gets to ‘pick’? Not the Haitians. Not the Americans. No, the European elite. And they don’t plan on any opt-outs for any nation.
When will the masses realise that the chain of command is a fiction and if they do will they even care if they are still fed bread and circuses
@snoot
I have to say I enjoy listening to the home service
It is the most sophisticated propaganda institution on the planet
But once you realise this ,amazing truths surface now and again but the Great Whale dives into the abyss again
What we need is a single minded Captain Ahab figure to slay this beast and he came from America
These words always rings true for me when I think of the great Whale
Captain Ahab: From hell’s heart I stab at thee; for hate’s sake I spit my last breath at thee. Ye damned whale.
The standardised approach is modeled on the existing risk-weighting
methodology for banking book assets. However, unlike the old approach
for assigning risk-weightings, the new risk-weightings for assets
under the BIS II proposals are more granular and are broken down
according to external credit ratings. Banks, whose risk management
procedures and internal models do not satisfy the minimum criteria
required by the IRB approach, have to use the standardised approach.
(external credit ratings=fitch/standard/moodys=criminal fraud)
This most simple
application of Basel
I will likely only be
used by smaller, less
sophisticated banks
Regulatory treatment of covered bonds BIS I vs. BIS II/
EU CRD
Art. 22(4) of the EU UCITS Directive10 85/611/EEC lists some
eligibility criteria for the privileged treatment of covered bonds11.
Annex VI of the CRD defines eligible assets. Covered bonds complying
with these eligibility criteria can be risk-weighted 10%. There are
some states that treat these bonds like any other bank bond with a
risk weight of 20% (including UK, Italy, Portugal, Sweden). The new
structured covered bond by ABN Amro, issued without a legal framework,
is also 20% risk-weighted.
Basel I and Basel II do not specifically address covered bonds. The
Most covered bonds are currently 10% risk-weighted.
Basel II and Banks
(CRD), drawn up based on a proposal from the Basel Committee, sets out
that covered bonds will benefit from special treatment if they comply
with Article 22(4) of the UCITS Directive and are collateralised by a
series of eligible assets12. Under the Draft Directive, the weighting
of covered bonds is based implicitly on the financial strength and
therefore tied to the credit rating of the issuing institution, and is
not based on the quality of the cover assets (see Tables 5 and 6), and
differs from Basel II’s approach to securitization. As a result,
regulatory capital requirements for bank investors in covered bonds
will increase if the senior unsecured rating of the covered bond
issuer falls.
http://www.securitization.net/pdf/Nomura/BaselII_20Sept05.pdf
Preferential risk weighting for covered bonds under basel 2? Yes. And IRB banks may use covered bonds as asset collateral as well.
I am beginning to come under your spell catwoman but dorks are simple creatures and it is cruel to play with their mind
Please have mercy
@Dork:
Nice quote from Ahab. But the whale was his nemisis.
Besides, the Sea Shepard would just shout at Captain Ahab and spoil the hunt.
Vote Joseph Staline.