China to impose dumping penalties on US chicken

Stacy Summary:  Back from our interview.  It was fun.  Here is us waiting in our hotel lobby for our taxi to take us to radio station.  I see that while we were away, the tension between US and China has increased a bit.  Why anyone would want to eat $1 billion worth of Tyson chicken . . . yuck.  Don’t the Chinese know about all the crazy stuff those chicken are fed?

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152 Responses to China to impose dumping penalties on US chicken

  1. first, hahaha

  2. @ Stacy – You guys are so cute! Saw that chicken story . . . fun stuff. If the Chinese were smart, they’d ban our poultry all together and grab some serious international headlines explaining why they’re dumping it for good. They could avoid “protectionist” trade headlines all together by simply saying that they don’t want to buy factory farmed chicken anymore.

  3. Ok, serious
    Ha, S&M how you like Moscow?
    Nice but a little bit cold?

    Last KR 14: (the best show till now i think)
    I like this Jets fling around, Maverick i got u in the Target inside. :) (Max did lost his kid)
    Max don´t know what he even can not think about it! really genius, i like this understatement :)

    You both making something new, could be called: INFOCOMEDY

    Ok guys, have a nice time

  4. Nice.

  5. looks like your trying to have fun while working. And succeeding. Have a great time in moscow. Check out the historical stuff I guess if you have time. Itrs always fun later in life when your in your rocking chairs on your front porch to say you saw it.

  6. @Stacy. you gonna upload the radio show?

  7. Yuk, is right.

    Those poor chickens, never see natural light, in cages all their lives, fed meal that is made out of other chickens that died, pumped full of anitbotics…..and their meat is disgusting. Tasteless, yellow creepy fat. YUK, YUK.

    Same for farmed fish generally. YUK

  8. can’t wait for the radio show…..

    hope you brought your heavy New England coats with you!

  9. Phil /Germany

    Great music collection Thx to Vlogution from YT

    http://ccmixter.org/playlist/browse?upload=14782

    Check out “Loveshadow’s The Core Selection”

    FWIW

  10. @youri
    those are some skinny chickens.

  11. Phil /Germany

    Dubai threatens to arrest Israeli prime minister

    http://rawstory.com/2010/02/dubai-threatens-arrest-israeli-prime-minister/

  12. Hey Stacy,

    you gotta purple face! you guys must be really cold…..burrrrrr

  13. @marietta

    Than you eat two chickens instead of one (what I normally do). Chicken is very close to the dinosaur and you can see that clearly in these these long-legged mac-daddy chickens.

  14. @Mep – ha ha, thanks

    @turbulence – I love it here! We have walked so much and really taken in the whole city; it’s beautiful, different . . . and quite expensive . . .

    @naomi & jon – yes, will upload the radio show as soon as they have a link

    @all – will have a big surprise for Thursday of this upcoming week . . . can’t say yet until it all happens . . . but hopefully you will like it

  15. @mike/Liverpool. firstmajestic, my silver supplier still want 17.50 US OZ. physical has decoupled.

  16. @youri
    that just goes to show how distorted the average US supermarket chicken is. They weigh 4-6 poiunds!

  17. @youri

    yeah, and blue feet! Wonder what chemicals these guys came in contact with. However, if they were Arcaina chickens they naturally have colored legs and their eggs have shells the color of their legs….no lie!

  18. Phil /Germany

    @Stacy .. “” will have a big surprise for Thursday of this upcoming week “”

    I hope you’re gonna ask Vladimir about that accusation ( telling the Chinese to dump the US$ )
    ;-)

  19. @Mike firstmajestic is NWT office in canada.

  20. Phil /Germany

    PS@Stacy

    Hope you check out that music link i posted … some really nice stuff there .
    Downloading free it seems !

  21. @Mike. there rounds are beautiful. inka indian on the front. nice coins.

  22. @Phil /Germany – ha ha, close . . . actually, that is a pretty big story here; well, people seem to find it an amusing story

  23. Phil /Germany

    @Stacy … Wow , can’t wait !

    … maybe Paulson will be asking you both for an interview soon !
    ;-)

  24. @max

    I’ll bet you don’t know anything about quilting or knitting. I’ll bet you don’t know a purl stitch from a knit stitch and I’ll bet you can’t cast on either. naner, naner, naner.

    And I’d bet your quilting seams don’t line up. Cheeesh.

  25. Phil /Germany

    Seems I missed this one !

    Secret summit of top bankers
    By George Lekakis and Fleur Leyden
    From:Herald Sun February 05, 2010 10:36PM

    …THE world’s top central bankers began arriving in Australia yesterday as renewed fears about the strength of the global economic recovery gripped world share markets.

    Representatives from 24 central banks and monetary authorities including the US Federal Reserve and European Central Bank landed in Sydney to meet tomorrow at a secret location, the Herald Sun reports….

    http://www.news.com.au/business/secret-summit-of-top-bankers/story-e6frfm1i-1225827289543

    … or was it SECRET ?
    ;-)

  26. Phil /Germany

    PS@Secret Summit

    Oh @frances … should have pasted this … just for you :

    … Organised by the Bank for International Settlements last year, the two-day talks are shrouded in secrecy with high-level security believed to have been invoked by law enforcement agencies….

  27. @Stacy. don’t call him puddypoot. he hates that.

  28. in 9 years weve had alfred e newman or the smiley face on your keyboard for president. wonder who’s next?

  29. :-) change

  30. @Snoot,..you found it yet? : )

  31. Phil /Germany

    Casey’s Daily Despatch …

    … But it’s even worse than that. To understand why, let’s reduce the situation to more human terms.

    Imagine for a moment, being approached by your deadbeat cousin for a $1,000 loan. In exchange, he offers you an IOU that says he will pay you back in specie, with interest, at some point down the road. Now, consider the same situation, but in a world where debt is treated as money. Now, instead of lending him the $1,000 in exchange for an IOU that promises he’ll pay you back your $1,000 plus interest, he promises to pay you back, but only with another IOU.

    This is the net result of using debt as money…

    http://www.caseyresearch.com/displayCdd.php?id=338

  32. frances snoot

    @Phil:
    If it was organized last year it doesn’t seem much like a secret, does it?

    ;)

  33. frances snoot

    @Snoot,..you found it yet? : )

    @Dedo:
    Is there a prize?

  34. frances snoot

    Regarding covered bonds:

    THOSE FREAKIN CRIMINALS!!!!!

  35. The Dork of Cork

    I have been watching some Nassim Taleb interviews taken over the past year

    I generally agree with him that there is too much debt in the world and it needs to be converted into equity but the mechanism he espouses is disturbing to me

    My understanding of this process is that bondholders convert to equity but he seems to want mortgage holders to give up a % of their house in exchange for a reduction of their debt.
    I wonder have some bankers whispered this into his ear to give the idea some intellectual vigour
    These guys always seem to win – no matter what the dynamics

  36. @Phil/Germany. when the dollar comes marching home. BANG.

  37. @Frances,…Of course there is,..

  38. Phil /Germany

    @snooty …. “” If it was organized last year it doesn’t seem much like a secret, does it? “”

    JFK was murdered 50 years ago … and the murderer is still secret !
    ;-)

  39. Phil/Germany, thank you for this good information.
    Vielen Dank

  40. @stacyherbert

    Are you gonna dance again? Always surprising, Buy Gold!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEAb8Hbk_Q4

    Bring The Gold
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qO66Rmi1Mw

    So cute: Russian Beatbox Girl
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrbdBES7JvE

    aahah! Hilarious Canal+ commercial!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWcc2hCwsWM

  41. @Youri. hahaha. never saw the buy gold thing. they were right.

  42. @Snoot. hit me with the covered bond story.

  43. @Snoot. KISS. keep it simple sister

  44. off topic. how the fuck do you get a US chicken to china? fuel. we are fucking nuts. you can raise a chicken anywhere. this is fucking absurd. US chickens in China. nuts. fuck.

  45. i guess with the lack of tourism, there flying fucking chickens to china. hahahha. oh fuck.

  46. Nice pic!
    If you guys ever make it back across the ocean to the U.S., let us know.
    Would love to hear you in person.
    warm here in CO :)

  47. dead chickens don’t eat airline snacks either. please don’t tell me we ship chickens to china. chickens for spounge bob square pants. he’s gay.

  48. Mike/Liverpool

    Very depressed tonight, might have to go back on the pills again.
    Mike

  49. @Mike/Liverpool, my fault. chin up and all that. :-)

  50. @Y’ALL
    MOMMA , MOMMA… don’t go away again not even for five seconds MOMMA your ikkle ikkle children like it when you SIT HERE ALL DAY…. with your legs OPEN for us MOMMA… you make the comments warm and we like sitting between your legs… MOMMA… JUST Don’t choke ant us again MOMMA!!!

  51. @Stella. the poor guys begging. give him another chance.

  52. something for nothing. the life that’s not talked about is not worth living.

  53. Will Obama play the war card

    Harry Reid is surely aware a U.S. clash with Iran, with him at the president’s side, could assure his re-election. Last week, Reid whistled through the Senate, by voice vote, a bill to put us on that escalator.

    Senate bill 2799 would punish any company exporting gasoline to Iran. Though swimming in oil, Iran has a limited refining capacity and must import 40 percent of the gas to operate its cars and trucks and heat its homes.

    And cutting off a country’s oil or gas is a proven path to war.
    http://www.lewrockwell.com/buchanan/buchanan128.html

  54. @naomi
    The wheather in Montréal is about the same as in Moscow. You should try Saint-Petersbourg in january specially for the sunlight. Or “Hellsinki”. The Sum rises at 10h30 and goes down at 14h00. 3h30 of light per day in the winter. Mind you in the summer it’s cool . The sun rises at 8h goes down at 23h. As for the wheather Moscow is not that cold. It’s a lot like Québec or Montréal.

    2 feet of snow for US North East. Love this Global Warming baby ! Real cool !

  55. Good AJS show with Bob Chapman Feb 5th 64k.mp3 http://www.mediafire.com/?nnmnnzgzjn5

  56. Mike Tyson Chicken ! Chicken ! Chicken !

  57. @Paganrongs. my guess is war. it’s the only game in town. too bad.

  58. “War is fun and the profit margins are just out out of this world.” SATAN

  59. @Y’ALL
    just finished skimmering over the days comments… most are not really worth reading are they…. what a sad collection inane chit chat….if you lot don’t wanna do anything other than sitt here for hours on end talking SHIT…. why the FUCK don’t you GO on THE FORUM…. that’s right put your sad little EGO’s back in their BOXES and go on THE FORUM!!!

  60. @MarcAuthier. montreal is fucking freezing. great hot dogs. thursdays is fun. lovely hookers. :-)

  61. Marc Faber on US Bubble, ‘worthless’ dollar & Gold ‘the Savior’ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAJeZaFdbJA

  62. Not more war. Not Iran. Surely not. I can’t believe it. I just cant believe it. What would Russia do? I am looking at the evidence and still cant believe it.

  63. @MarcAuthier. love the revolving dance floor in the basement. fond memories. ;-)

  64. @Paganrongs. the boys are ready and they don’t give a fuck.

  65. @Paganrongs. the russians will fuck with the US in afganistan, pakistan, iraq. on the side mind you. for a while. BANG.

  66. @Paganrongs. it’s all profit so nobody minds.

  67. @maxkeiser.com
    I can see why you have plastered the site with all these dodgy ads!!!

  68. time for a single malt nightcap; dont think I shall be sleeping much without it…night, RR

  69. The Dork of Cork

    @youri
    Faber said that if we go back to a gold standard we would go back to 1 million dollars per once – is he saying that the USA has very little gold , if the US has 8000 tons + as stated then gold would only be in the region of 4000 to 10000 a once
    Is he just tired and had a few to many vodkas or is he trying to tell us something?

  70. @Paganrongs. sorry for my take. sleep tight. not your worry.

  71. now that you’ve breezed over the comments. get back and play in traffic.

  72. @Dork. there’s no gold in fort knox. hahaha

  73. @fuckfuck/crippledick
    huh… you need to go play with summin and it aint traffic!!!

  74. no sing song for ronron. :-(

  75. @s.herbert
    ‘will have a big surprise for Thursday of this upcoming week . . . can’t say yet until it all happens . . . but hopefully you will like it’

    OH JOY… but after ME(P)’s announcement last night…. I don’t know if my heart can take anymore!!!

  76. that dog needs a pet.

  77. @SG,…you ever looked in the mirror,..little man (“man” with tongue in cheek),..
    never gleened anything from you so far,…seems you’re a parasite,..plenty of those a round,..: )
    BTW: Where’s ~Super Geek….now there’s a man!

  78. pat. bye usefucks.

  79. @Dedo. i disagree. remember the brit with the winter coat and hat. ate sparrows. ain’t seen him around. used 2 initials. can’t remember.

  80. i’ll find the fucker in the archives.

  81. @Bonn. red alert. we gotta find these fuckers. could be skinny or fat fuckers. keep in touch.

  82. @fuckfuck
    heah … NITWIT!!!
    Clarence Williams – You Rascal You.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J45MXgCI1TY

  83. gonna give you an @SG. nobody here worships stella except me. go chase marietta. dedo.s prego and snoots mine.

  84. sorry meps preggo. my bad

  85. @Y’ALL
    I don’t usually go for all that ‘POP’ psychology BS, but I think a team of doctors could make a packet round here!!!

  86. doctors over there still accepting pounds?

  87. California Doctor

    Mike/Liverpool – Depressed?

    Sir, at the risk of sounding like Lord Mountbatten, “pip pip and cherio mate!”
    Gold is up and solid in the face of monetary devaluation.

    On the other hand, perhaps you should look up a British company that has recently come to my attention… make sure you are getting enough essential fatty acids. With the time you are on line, you are unlikely to be eating sufficient sources of these essential nutrients. Britain has a great product: http://www.isodisnatura.co.uk/

  88. @Caldoc. beer is the answer. 6 a day. 2 dubes

  89. California Doctor

    @ronron – most doctors have no training in finance, world markets, or currency.

    They still think that being paid a UK pound in 2010 equals being paid a UK pound in 1980.

    I tried talking with some doctors about natural logarithms and the relationship to compounding rates. I even pointed them to the YouTube video of the professor from Boulder who lectures on this subject for 90 minutes. They didn’t catch what the prof was saying.

    Sustainability for yourself and your family is different than for the nation.

    Your family will try to help you by nature.

    Your national government instead taxes you, says that they’re doing it for your benefit, and then ignore your needs when you have them (unemployment? where? duhhhuhh!!! they say)

  90. California Doctor

    @ronron – which brand?

  91. @Caldoc. i understand. were all being hit. i can take it for now because i own my home. guys who are doctors but have a lifestyle are in a squeeze. lawyers, bankers, investment people. everybody’s feeling this. going to get worse. sorry man. :-(

  92. @Y’All
    Bobby ‘Blue’ Bland – Aint Nothin’ You Can Do.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UVQWtCT2DA

  93. @Caldoc. perth county buds and kitchener light beer. :-)

    ;

  94. sorry waterloo light beer.

  95. did you know that Berlin ontario canada is now waterloo?

  96. you want the facts jack. fuck the sing song.

  97. THE IMF GOLD GAME

    CommodityOnline: Why there is golden silence on IMF gold sale http://www.commodityonline.com/news/Why-there-is-golden-silence-on-IMF-gold-sale-25439-3-1.html

    “I feel the silence these days on IMF gold sale could be a well-knit strategy from China. The Chinese central bank is eager to buy IMF gold to shore up its foreign exchange reserves. But China is not willing to pay the kind of money that India paid to IMF to buy gold. China wants to buy IMF gold below $1,000 per ounce. It looks if gold price continues to fall like this way, soon you will find gold hitting below $1,000 per ounce and China will then jump into buying the IMF gold,” Robinson told Commodity Online.

    Robinson argues that there is a feeling among central banks across the world that India paid a little too high price to buy the IMF gold and thereby put them in troubles. “No central bank wanted to touch IMF gold above $1,000 per ounce. So now that gold price is falling, central banks must be waiting for further falls to scout for IMF gold,” he added.

    There is a point in what Robinson argues. India had no pressing need to buy IMF gold at a high price. But India’s unexpected buy put bullion competitor China in a quandary. Chinese central bank officials had informally told several bullion investors and analysts that the People’s Bank of China was looking at buying IMF gold for around $800 per ounce.”

    My comment: The reason India can afford an higher price for gold is because traditionally India has a market for gold. Indians are the biggest private gold buyers in the world also a wedding must. India’s domestic gold market was getting tight and buying from the IMF loosened it up so they could afford an higher price. India doesn’t necessarily buy to hedge like China and other central banks do they really wear the bullion.

    China already said that it didn’t want to disrupt the gold market by buying too strongly also because it would make the other currencies even more uglier than they already are especially the dollar. China is already accused by the U.S. for keeping their currency on a too low peg to the dollar and certainly don’t want to be accused for destroying it by driving up gold prices. This is all very logical.

    In fact China helps the dollar by spreading the rumor that they only want to buy at $800 which is cunning but they know it won’t do and if gold goes just below $1000 it’s good enough. China doesn’t necessarily have to buy from the IMF since they produce gold themselves. If they really think their foreign reserve dollars are due time they will buy at any price but so will others.

    It’s even likely that gold won’t even go below $1000 overseeing the current economical situation in which the dollar rally will be short lived and resuming it’s downward trend on which the dollar carry traders are betting anyways.

    Hong Kong Shanghai and J.P. Morgan Chase to some currency window dressing by shortening gold but they won’t be able to prevent the fundamentals of the economy by putting the canary in the goldmine on some temperately oxygen, they are just biding time to come up with some new act.

    This new act will probably be steeling the pensions of the middle class to be sure they have no were to go when the next and final crises will be triggered and leave everybody empty handed to come again with the ” We must have a New World Order” argument but more and more people are waking up the question is will it be fast enough to prevent the next heist from happening?

    The last card they are holding is the “war card” which they will keep until the last moment when people really starting to figure out what the banksters did to them and than they will throw this card on the table so people can’t reach for them, they think. Pakistan is a good patsy cause the U.S. gave them atomic weapons which in fact are still under U.S. control and easily could provoke WOIII for which the “evil” Al qaida, Talibans or Pakistani government can be blamed. Also Israel is a good patsy candidate and they will probably need them now Pakistan is getting more and more annoyed by the American presence which until now only worsened the situation which the U.S. intended to do in their “Divide an Conquer” and “Order out of Chaos” policies.

    Hitlary Clinton already threatened China cutting of their supplies which is in fact an act of war but the real battlefield, as usual, never lies on the physical military front but on the financial and it’s exactly at that front China is holding the most valuable cards in the game. Even if it has to be a military shoot out with China in which collateral damage is in calculated China holds the higher grounds and the Korean war showed what they are capable of. The American barrels over heated by the man slaughter but the Chinese kept on coming over the hill.

    But this all won’t be necessary cause all China has to do is dump the dollar or announce that they are gonna buy loads of IMF gold and the dollar will plunge like a bird with a hart attack. Not that canary from the coal mine but a Sea Eagle this time.

  98. Waterl’eau. Glou glou glou glou Ronron. Voda you to. By the way Montréal Pool Room sur la Main is closing. Another good hot dog place dissapearing. F–kin McDonalds.

  99. California Doctor

    @ronron –
    Sounds good… alot better than “pale ale” and “bud light”.

    I like local micro breweries also.

  100. @mike Liverpool,

    re: depression.

    I’m sorry to hear that. Depression is painful and scary. Are you on a exercise schedule? I know that may sound odd, but it can really help to keep you connected and it helps with blood flow to the brain. I’ve been down that road, and it is not easy. Everyone is different in response to drugs and how much is prescribed. Listen to your body and be careful.

  101. Justget Itright

    SG

    Have you ever been diagnosed with schizophrenia, symptoms are paranoid delusions, hallucinations, disorganized speech, difficulty expressing thoughts, and somatic preoccupations.

  102. Not gonna touch gold till it gets back over the 100 day MA.

  103. @Marc Authier

    re: sunlight in January.

    Oh, that sounds wonderful. I don’t know if you can imagine how dark it is Washington state in January……..depressing.

  104. mike liverpool, take alot of vitamin d-3 and vitamin c and magnesium. Plus exercise a bunch.

    I live in montana and we usually get one sunny day every two weeks. And its usually below freezing here. But for some reason I like it. Some scandiavain types I know seem to do well as well. I’m german and english mainly so I may have the gene for colder darker climates as well.

  105. Have you ever been diagnosed with schizophrenia, symptoms are paranoid delusions, hallucinations, disorganized speech, difficulty expressing thoughts, and somatic preoccupations.

    Hummm ? You must be talking about Lloyd Blankfien and his puppet Obanana ? It’s that sometimes SG seems to be quite “décousu” and fairly cryptic. Don’t if it’s intentionnal. It’s maybe a secret code sent between KGB spies ? I awaiting for the next terrorist attack. There are rumors that Al-Mossad and Al-CIA-aida are praparing women al-CIA-al-Mossad commandos with exploding mammay implants made of semtex. Please manipulate with care.

    Have they installed the naked body scanners at the Moscow airport and at the Ministry.

    Lomonosov Moscow State University.

    http://www.msu.ru/en/

    Like I said. Almost the same freakin architecture !

  106. The new edition of Monopoly is cashless. It has debit cards and ATMs. Wonder if it comes with an RFID chip:
    http://tinyurl.com/yjt25yg

  107. wonder if an attack on Iran will spark a world war. It won’t be immediate. As with the 1st World War, nations stumbled into conflict. Some think WW2 actually started in July, 1937 with the Marco Polo Bridge incident. This incident in its own right spiralled out of control because of fear, mistrust, poor communications and aggressive posturing from both the Japanese (esp.) and Chinese forces.

  108. marietta, yep thats what damon Vickers was saying today. BAsically that system of monetary will totally enslave everyone. The powers that be will be able to check every transaction and know everything you do. And use that to control you. Plus if you get out of hand they can just cut off your digital card and your left with no way to do transactions.

    I can’t get out of my head how matter of factly vickers was saying what he was saying. Basically you little people need more controls put on you so we can rule you better. Frack vickers and his people.

  109. @mike
    Sorry to hear about the depression. Have had the same problem on and off over the last 5years. Pills were ok but still had the “bad” thoughts. When I finally said f**k it, I’m going to do things when, where and how I want to and not worry what everyone else expects me to do, the suicidal thoughts went away. Now I just feel blue once and a while and that ‘s ok.
    Although, today is a down day for me too with all this bad news. Read Bill Gross’ bed of nitroglycerin newsletter, listened to El-Erian bumpy road video, and thought wepollock looked deoressed enough to end it all too.
    Yipee

  110. @jon
    I was debating whether to listen to the rerun of Vickers but maybe I’ll put it off for a sunny day in June.

  111. @BondiBhoy

    I can Imagine you’ve got more of a Pacific perspective but from my view WOII started officially with a Nazi False Flag operation in Poland taking some Polish prisoners dress them up like Polish soldiers and shoot them as prove that Poland was attacking Germany when in fact it was the other way around just like last U.S./Israel/Georgia vs Russia aggression.

    Before that Hitler had already declared Marshall Law by an other False Flag Operation “The Reichstag Fire” event in which a mentally retarded Dutch patsy Marinus van der Lubbe from Leiden was used as guinea pig. You know what the evidence was that he had done it? A box of matches in his pocket LOL

    In many occasions Wars begins with False Flag events. 911 the inside Job, Golf of Tonkin, etc…

  112. @Y’All
    Oops! upside Ya head… said Oops! upside Ya Head
    the bigger the headache the bigger the PILL,
    The Bigger the headache the bigger the BILL,
    said Oops upside Ya Head!!!

  113. Justget Itright

    @MA–Hummm ? You must be talking about Lloyd Blankfien and his puppet Obanana ? It’s that sometimes SG seems to be quite “décousu” and fairly cryptic.

    Thats funny, … was tryin to get a rise out of him, sg probably sleepin … ;)

  114. I heard that it was Tyson jets, that were flying the cocaine from Central America into Arkansas, under Daddy Bush, and the Clintons. If this is true, I think that China might have other reasons for wanting to more closely watch the Tyson imports. Then again, they probably have never heard of Mena Arkansas.

  115. Whats up SG?

  116. marietta, its febuary, Were all supposed to be depressed in febuary. Its just that time of year. I’ve noticed that for many years that effect. As someone said the best thing is to just live your life and enjoy the little things. Got to look on the nice side of life. We take too much for granted. Birds singing. snowfall. Rainfall. YOu can either look at it as a problem or you can look at it as a nice thing.

    As far as all the bad stuff. That stuff has been around forever. LIfes always been tough with mean people doing thier mean things. FRack mean people.

  117. @jon
    that was nice. thanks.

  118. Found this interesting rule for Commentators at Skepticblog:

    Don’t be a troll. Trolls lurk on blog comments, sniping at phrases or points taken out of context. They try to be provocative just to stir emotion, rather than sincerely engaging in conversation or trying to understand the actual points raised by the author or other commenters. Most savvy blog readers have come to recognize trolls, and will try to ignore them.

  119. @Youri

    yep the Nazis were masters of the dark art of false flag attacks. I always thought Van der Lubbe was intelligent enough (he was a communist organiser) but the notion that he burnt down the Reichstag is just ridiculous based on the evidence given. poor bugger.

  120. With all (artificial) tensions rising between china, iran, russia and ‘the west’; anyone knew Uzbekistan’s Muruntau gold open pit mine is one of the largest in the world another gain in the war for profit, so US has been setting up for tensions by selling arms/placing missle shields all over the world etc. Then there’s the north pole battle that soon will start, canada, denmark, US and russia. but china can pull the plug on all finance; yet in the second world war the US was in depression too… Interesting times…

    On the chicken because the US ‘allows’/supervises bad on melamine in a lot of products. and other toxins from china; give some take some..?

  121. @Y’ALL
    er… IGNORING TROLLS… it don’t work believe me I’ve tried…. but then what else can you do, so yeah Y’ALL… DON’T FEED THE MONSTERS… you know the ones… the ones that DESPERATELY post and post and sit on here ALL DAY LONG…. with nothing better to do with their lives… than try and DOMINATE the site while RAMMING their FEARS and olde worldy BULLSHIT down everybody’s throats DAY after DAY… and if that fails to GET THEM ATTENTION… they ROLL out the PERSONAL PROBLEMS and the EMOTIONAL BLACKMAIL… SAD FUCKING IMPERIALISTIC POSTERS!!!

  122. @SG
    You’re right. I need to clear my head of all this S**T. I thought i had it all in perspective and I hadn’t been reading this site for awhile. Then I made the mistake of reading it again and I’m back where i started.

  123. @ Joshua

    Isn’t it interesting that although the duty waged on Tyson is 43.1%, the duty on Tyson’s competitor Pilgrim’s Pride is 80.5%? Somehow the Clintons’ buddies have achieved an advantage over their competitor.

  124. @ Phil/Germany – Any idea of who this Herr Henkel douchebag is?

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/william-k-black/herr-henkels-hall-of-sham_b_451592.html

    Sounds like a German clone of Milton Friedman.

  125. Bill Moyers did a “We The People, Inc” program tonight . . . worth checking out. And if you do, don’t miss the video essay on lobbyists.

  126. @BondiBhoy

    Yep, yourright he was not retarded, that’s how good the Nazi propaganda still works until this day on me. It never became completely clear if he really did it or not but it smells like he was setup with the huge propaganda afterwards which always underlines setup operations. Since it became clear that the alleged polish attack was a false flag adds to the idea that they could have setup Rinus van der Lubbe.

    Today they even start the propaganda before anything has happened to wash the brains like in an advertisement. Recently they started shooting of the roofs that AL Ciada will certainly attack. How do they know this and if they know why don’t they stop it?

    The van der Lubbe Case resembles the situation with 911 and martial law. Normally a fire starter could get 15 years max but they used a new law so that he could be sentenced to dead.

  127. Off topic:

    The Iraqi oil connundrum by Michael Schwartz
    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Middle_East/LB04Ak04.html

    Why America and England invaded Iraq? According to the article, America and England are loosers , and Shell, Exxon, China and Russia and other contries that did not paticipate in the invasion against Iraq are winners regading of oil contracts with iraqi govenment. There is no mention of Austalia at all in the article. it seems like they are a looser too. Why little jonny howard invaded Iraq?

    I guess Russia and China are laughing to death behind the curtain these days.

    This world is funnier and more unrealistic than fictions.

  128. Phil /Germany

    @JIT .. Hogan’s Heroes … LOL !
    The series is also in German and shown in Germany.

    @marietta .. CC Monopoly
    I posted last that year ( said it should be banned ) …. seems it’s available in Germany already. Our kids played it on visiting some friend. There is no cash .. just a calculator shaped like a credit card.
    I suppose the cost of “printing cash” became too much, so they went digital.
    Reminds me of something !
    ;-)

  129. Phil /Germany

    @Mep … Herr Henkel

    http://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Hans-Olaf_Henkel

    Some of his quotes ( roughly translated ):

    + Maths is not everything, but without Maths, everything is nothing (meaningless).

    + Whoever thinks he is the greatest, will get careless and make mistakes. I am speaking from my own experience.

    + I can’t find them , the poor. Do you know any poor people ?

    Well, he is well known here, but doesn’t appear that often in the media.
    There are however far worse prominent people than Herr Henkel in Germany IMO.

  130. Phil /Germany

    YouTube- Gerald Celente-Freedom Watch-Judge Napolitano

    …Gerald Celente and Judge Napolitano discuss the runaway spending of our government. The ultimate solution Celente says is going to war….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBLULKR_MQE

  131. hey, stacy was ur idea to stay @ golden ring? are tryin to give max subliminal messages? :-P

  132. @marietta,..I remember an old quote,.quite profound in a funny sort of way: “Don’t sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things”
    Think about it! : )

  133. Phil /Germany

    Just a small point on Jekyll Island …

    Was pleases this morning on talking to a local farmer that has just read the German version of TCFJI. He lectures History at the local Uni. and helps his parents run the farm in his spare time.

    I’ve posted many times that all this information that we discuss here ( links, interviews etc. ) are basically wasted unless they are structured such that newcomers can join the dots.

    I am thinking in terms of a sort of End-The-Fed-Fiat-System Wikipedia .. where all those non-MSM ( and of course MSM ) dots are connected together.

    I feel rather guilty myself of not having actually started building this years ago myself … what a wasted opportunity.
    So easy to do.
    My “saved webpage articles” storage is now ca. 2 GB and my “saved video interviews” is now ca. 25 GB.
    Just too damn lazy I suppose !

  134. frances snoot

    Pretty pathetic that instead of a dialogue there is a diatribe; instead of arguments concerning finance or politics people are put down or called trolls; that those who abuse are called correct and far-sighted.

    It’s incredibly sad and juvenile: almost as though the posts proceed from a single-source, or agenda, which feels threatened by an alternative perspective.

    It lowers the level of discursive freedom to the junior-high-school parking lot.

  135. Those that regurgitate words, should get their heads around this concept, and wonder where the word “troll” came from and for who’s benefit, hmm
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception_management

  136. frances snoot

    “@Y’ALL
    MOMMA , MOMMA… don’t go away again not even for five seconds MOMMA your ikkle ikkle children like it when you SIT HERE ALL DAY…. with your legs OPEN for us MOMMA… you make the comments warm and we like sitting between your legs… MOMMA… JUST Don’t choke ant us again MOMMA!!!”

    The above post is abusive. It should not be tolerated and should be flagged.

    This same poster is warning about trolls!

  137. frances snoot

    @Dedo:
    Since when is utilizing a vocabulary a crime?

    Perception management? Talking about the sdr on a financial site hardly qualifies!

  138. @Frances,.I wasn’t directing my comment at your posts actually,.but your reaction speaks volumes !

  139. @Y’All
    lucky I never mentioned her ‘inner circle’ :)

  140. frances snoot

    “Those that regurgitate words”

    @Dedo:
    I was referring to this line when I said using a vocabulary wasn’t a crime. I never indicated I took your remarks personally.

    The perception management bit I was clueless concerning your intent: here’s from the wiki link:

    Actions to convey and/or deny selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning as well as to intelligence systems and leaders at all levels to influence official estimates, ultimately resulting in foreign behaviors and official actions favorable to the originator’s objectives. In various ways, perception management combines truth projection, operations security, cover and deception, and psychological operations.[1]

    Since I’m ‘foreign’ (American) I did wonder if you believed I was guilty of this ‘crime’. If I seemed ‘imperialistic’ it was in an attempt to bring some balance to the overwhelmingly negative remarks posted here regarding not only American criminals but also Americans in general (and generally left by people who never spend real time with Americans).

    The idea that an incision of wallstreet and washington will clear the world of financial terrorism is ridiculous and dangerous: the criminals exist on both sides of the Atlantic. The leadership of the criminal cartel I believe to emanate from Europe: but I always indicated that my beliefs proceed from a personal perspective and did not represent ‘truth’.

    In fact, I was called ‘psychopathic’ because I indicated that I believe truth to be a word more aptly described as ‘concensus’.

    I am not sure what you meant by ‘speaks volumes’, Dedo. Perhaps you could enlighten me?

  141. @Frances,…When someone differentiates themselves using words like “American” or “British”,..I do wonder if they realize from whence the idea originated, and for what purpose.
    Personally, I get a lot from your posts, regardless of who you think you are, or where.
    In the book of Dedo,.when someone “reacts” to stimuli, it’s usually a knee jerk response to a core value,..usually!
    You just seem,..hmm,.quite sensitive, that’s all : )
    Or maybe you’re just passionate,..

  142. frances snoot

    @Dedo:
    I would think, if you do like my posts, that you would have noticed I do not like to ‘tag’ people with group definitions. I agree with you completely.

    But under the auspices of that article you linked, I was willing to declare myself ‘foreign’. I would not willingly put myself within the context of that application.

  143. California Doctor

    The “china” and “japan” bashing is starting in the US mainstream media.

    The MSM in the USA is beating on Toyota for at least 30-60 minutes per day per news station. This includes CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, ABC, CBS, and NBC.

    The MSM has really lost credibility. In spite of the rants and the fist pounding rage of hysterical news anchors talking about cars going out of control, the reality is that few people seem to be watching. Even fewer seem to care what their opinions really are.

    The evidence is clear. When CNBC sent their auto industry reporter to a Detroit Toyota dealership, there were very few calls to the service department and no long lines of cars needing repair. The Toyota owners in California are still driving their cars and there is no flood of repair claims as the MSM desired to jam the dealerships.

    For you youngsters born after 1965, you do not recall the Japan bashing in the MSM in the late 1970′s. It was, in fact, the US car companies like Chrysler, GM, and Ford who were pushing their gas guzzling vehicles which made worse MPG in 1980 than they did in 1930. Meanwhile, the sent UAW workers and cameras to Flint to beat on Datsun and Mazda and Toyotas. This was called “Japan bashing” by West Coast academics who correctly surmised that the behavior was propaganda.

    We are seeing much of the same propaganda played out now.

    The only difference is that the existance of the internet and mass media production tools has totally obfuscated the ability of one group or another to dominate the messaging.

    This is a good development for regular people who are just trying to live peaceable lives for themselves. Now, instead of being fed a diet of NYTimes, ABC News “Special Reports”, and BBC World Service; we can tune into PressTV, RTV, MaxKeiser.Com and get a different perspective.

    There is, IMHO, no such thing as “alternative media”. Either it is media or it is not. You can not have “alternative” media. The term is perjorative because the absence of media would be nothing. Therefore, the MSM should probably be referred to as the “paleo-media” and the web-based media should probably be referred to as the “neo-media”.

    Depending upon your confidence, you may want to depend upon the paleo-media. But, a combination of both information sources is more likely to be reflective of the truth. More significantly, the paleo-media are higher in cost and therefore more subject to financial conflicts of interests.

  144. Actually chickens in China are fed standard diets that are pretty much the same as the diets fed to chickens in the USA. The notion of lots of “crazy stuff” in diets is pretty much a myth. Chickens are not fed hormones.

    There is a significant difference in the Chinese chicken and the USA chicken but that difference is related to genetics. The Chinese chicken tends to be selected for the chicken-y flavour of the meat (meat quality) whereas the USA chicken is genetically selected for growth and quantity. The US chicken tends to be whitish in colour, hence the Chinese call it “bai ji” (white chicken). The Chinese chicken preferred by most Chinese cooks tends to be yellow (huang ji).

    The Chinese chicken tastes and smells like the chicken that grandma cooked. The American chicken relatively speaking tastes like styrofoam. That’s OK in the USA because the Americans, being relatively stupid about such matters, neither notices nor cares. Tyson chicken is cheap and that’s all that matters. It costs more money to produce chicken that tastes good.

    There is a sector of the American society willing to pay more for chicken but they are more interested in good taste than in chicken that tastes good. So, sorry Charlie.