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	<title>Comments on: China to impose dumping penalties on US chicken</title>
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		<title>By: ewjohnson</title>
		<link>http://maxkeiser.com/2010/02/05/china-to-impose-dumping-penalties-on-us-chicken/#comment-83194</link>
		<dc:creator>ewjohnson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Feb 2010 12:28:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually chickens in China are fed standard diets that are pretty much the same as the diets fed to chickens in the USA.  The notion of lots of &quot;crazy stuff&quot; in diets is pretty much a myth.  Chickens are not fed hormones.

There is a significant difference in the Chinese chicken and the USA chicken but that difference is related to genetics.   The Chinese chicken tends to be selected for the chicken-y flavour of the meat (meat quality) whereas the USA chicken is genetically selected for growth and quantity.  The US chicken tends to be whitish in colour, hence the Chinese call it &quot;bai ji&quot; (white chicken).  The Chinese chicken preferred by most Chinese cooks tends to be yellow (huang ji).

The Chinese chicken tastes and smells like the chicken that grandma cooked.  The American chicken relatively speaking tastes like styrofoam.  That&#039;s OK in the USA because the Americans, being relatively stupid about such matters, neither notices nor cares.  Tyson chicken is cheap and that&#039;s all that matters.  It costs more money to produce chicken that tastes good.

There is a sector of the American society willing to pay more for chicken but they are more interested in good taste than in chicken that tastes good.  So, sorry Charlie.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually chickens in China are fed standard diets that are pretty much the same as the diets fed to chickens in the USA.  The notion of lots of &#8220;crazy stuff&#8221; in diets is pretty much a myth.  Chickens are not fed hormones.</p>
<p>There is a significant difference in the Chinese chicken and the USA chicken but that difference is related to genetics.   The Chinese chicken tends to be selected for the chicken-y flavour of the meat (meat quality) whereas the USA chicken is genetically selected for growth and quantity.  The US chicken tends to be whitish in colour, hence the Chinese call it &#8220;bai ji&#8221; (white chicken).  The Chinese chicken preferred by most Chinese cooks tends to be yellow (huang ji).</p>
<p>The Chinese chicken tastes and smells like the chicken that grandma cooked.  The American chicken relatively speaking tastes like styrofoam.  That&#8217;s OK in the USA because the Americans, being relatively stupid about such matters, neither notices nor cares.  Tyson chicken is cheap and that&#8217;s all that matters.  It costs more money to produce chicken that tastes good.</p>
<p>There is a sector of the American society willing to pay more for chicken but they are more interested in good taste than in chicken that tastes good.  So, sorry Charlie.</p>
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		<title>By: California Doctor</title>
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		<dc:creator>California Doctor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 17:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &quot;china&quot; and &quot;japan&quot; bashing is starting in the US mainstream media.

The MSM in the USA is beating on Toyota for at least 30-60 minutes per day per news station.  This includes CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, ABC, CBS, and NBC.

The MSM has really lost credibility.  In spite of the rants and the fist pounding rage of hysterical news anchors talking about cars going out of control, the reality is that few people seem to be watching.  Even fewer seem to care what their opinions really are.

The evidence is clear.  When CNBC sent their auto industry reporter to a Detroit Toyota dealership, there were very few calls to the service department and no long lines of cars needing repair.  The Toyota owners in California are still driving their cars and there is no flood of repair claims as the MSM desired to jam the dealerships.

For you youngsters born after 1965, you do not recall the Japan bashing in the MSM in the late 1970&#039;s.  It was, in fact, the US car companies like Chrysler, GM, and Ford who were pushing their gas guzzling vehicles which made worse MPG in 1980 than they did in 1930.  Meanwhile, the sent UAW workers and cameras to Flint to beat on Datsun and Mazda and Toyotas.  This was called &quot;Japan bashing&quot; by West Coast academics who correctly surmised that the behavior was propaganda.

We are seeing much of the same propaganda played out now.

The only difference is that the existance of the internet and mass media production tools has totally obfuscated the ability of one group or another to dominate the messaging.

This is a good development for regular people who are just trying to live peaceable lives for themselves.  Now, instead of being fed a diet of NYTimes, ABC News &quot;Special Reports&quot;, and BBC World Service; we can tune into PressTV, RTV, MaxKeiser.Com and get a different perspective.

There is, IMHO, no such thing as &quot;alternative media&quot;.  Either it is media or it is not.  You can not have &quot;alternative&quot; media.  The term is perjorative because the absence of media would be nothing.  Therefore, the MSM should probably be referred to as the &quot;paleo-media&quot; and the web-based media should probably be referred to as the &quot;neo-media&quot;.

Depending upon your confidence, you may want to depend upon the paleo-media.  But, a combination of both information sources is more likely to be reflective of the truth.  More significantly, the paleo-media are higher in cost and therefore more subject to financial conflicts of interests.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8220;china&#8221; and &#8220;japan&#8221; bashing is starting in the US mainstream media.</p>
<p>The MSM in the USA is beating on Toyota for at least 30-60 minutes per day per news station.  This includes CNN, MSNBC, Fox News, ABC, CBS, and NBC.</p>
<p>The MSM has really lost credibility.  In spite of the rants and the fist pounding rage of hysterical news anchors talking about cars going out of control, the reality is that few people seem to be watching.  Even fewer seem to care what their opinions really are.</p>
<p>The evidence is clear.  When CNBC sent their auto industry reporter to a Detroit Toyota dealership, there were very few calls to the service department and no long lines of cars needing repair.  The Toyota owners in California are still driving their cars and there is no flood of repair claims as the MSM desired to jam the dealerships.</p>
<p>For you youngsters born after 1965, you do not recall the Japan bashing in the MSM in the late 1970&#8242;s.  It was, in fact, the US car companies like Chrysler, GM, and Ford who were pushing their gas guzzling vehicles which made worse MPG in 1980 than they did in 1930.  Meanwhile, the sent UAW workers and cameras to Flint to beat on Datsun and Mazda and Toyotas.  This was called &#8220;Japan bashing&#8221; by West Coast academics who correctly surmised that the behavior was propaganda.</p>
<p>We are seeing much of the same propaganda played out now.</p>
<p>The only difference is that the existance of the internet and mass media production tools has totally obfuscated the ability of one group or another to dominate the messaging.</p>
<p>This is a good development for regular people who are just trying to live peaceable lives for themselves.  Now, instead of being fed a diet of NYTimes, ABC News &#8220;Special Reports&#8221;, and BBC World Service; we can tune into PressTV, RTV, MaxKeiser.Com and get a different perspective.</p>
<p>There is, IMHO, no such thing as &#8220;alternative media&#8221;.  Either it is media or it is not.  You can not have &#8220;alternative&#8221; media.  The term is perjorative because the absence of media would be nothing.  Therefore, the MSM should probably be referred to as the &#8220;paleo-media&#8221; and the web-based media should probably be referred to as the &#8220;neo-media&#8221;.</p>
<p>Depending upon your confidence, you may want to depend upon the paleo-media.  But, a combination of both information sources is more likely to be reflective of the truth.  More significantly, the paleo-media are higher in cost and therefore more subject to financial conflicts of interests.</p>
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		<title>By: frances snoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>frances snoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dedo:
I would think, if you do like my posts, that you would have noticed I do not like to &#039;tag&#039; people with group definitions.  I agree with you completely.

But under the auspices of that article you linked, I was willing to declare myself &#039;foreign&#039;.  I would not willingly put myself within the context of that application.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dedo:<br />
I would think, if you do like my posts, that you would have noticed I do not like to &#8216;tag&#8217; people with group definitions.  I agree with you completely.</p>
<p>But under the auspices of that article you linked, I was willing to declare myself &#8216;foreign&#8217;.  I would not willingly put myself within the context of that application.</p>
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		<title>By: Dedo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dedo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:32:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frances,...When someone differentiates themselves using words like &quot;American&quot; or &quot;British&quot;,..I do wonder if they realize from whence the idea originated, and for what purpose.
Personally, I get a lot from your posts, regardless of who you think you are, or where.
In the book of Dedo,.when someone &quot;reacts&quot; to stimuli, it&#039;s usually a knee jerk response to a core value,..usually!
You just seem,..hmm,.quite sensitive, that&#039;s all  :  )
Or maybe you&#039;re just passionate,..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frances,&#8230;When someone differentiates themselves using words like &#8220;American&#8221; or &#8220;British&#8221;,..I do wonder if they realize from whence the idea originated, and for what purpose.<br />
Personally, I get a lot from your posts, regardless of who you think you are, or where.<br />
In the book of Dedo,.when someone &#8220;reacts&#8221; to stimuli, it&#8217;s usually a knee jerk response to a core value,..usually!<br />
You just seem,..hmm,.quite sensitive, that&#8217;s all  :  )<br />
Or maybe you&#8217;re just passionate,..</p>
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		<title>By: frances snoot</title>
		<link>http://maxkeiser.com/2010/02/05/china-to-impose-dumping-penalties-on-us-chicken/#comment-82528</link>
		<dc:creator>frances snoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 12:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Those that regurgitate words&quot;

@Dedo:
I was referring to this line when I said using a vocabulary wasn&#039;t a crime.  I never indicated I took your remarks personally.

The perception management bit I was clueless concerning your intent: here&#039;s from the wiki link:

Actions to convey and/or deny selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning as well as to intelligence systems and leaders at all levels to influence official estimates, ultimately resulting in foreign behaviors and official actions favorable to the originator’s objectives. In various ways, perception management combines truth projection, operations security, cover and deception, and psychological operations.[1]

Since I&#039;m &#039;foreign&#039; (American) I did wonder if you believed I was guilty of this &#039;crime&#039;.  If I seemed &#039;imperialistic&#039; it was in an attempt to bring some balance to the overwhelmingly negative remarks posted here regarding not only American criminals but also Americans in general (and generally left by people who never spend real time with Americans).

The idea that an incision of wallstreet and washington will clear the world of financial terrorism is ridiculous and dangerous: the criminals exist on both sides of the Atlantic.  The leadership of the criminal cartel I believe to emanate from Europe: but I always indicated that my beliefs proceed from a personal perspective and did not represent &#039;truth&#039;.

In fact, I was called &#039;psychopathic&#039; because I indicated that I believe truth to be a word more aptly described as &#039;concensus&#039;.

I am not sure what you meant by &#039;speaks volumes&#039;, Dedo. Perhaps you could enlighten me?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Those that regurgitate words&#8221;</p>
<p>@Dedo:<br />
I was referring to this line when I said using a vocabulary wasn&#8217;t a crime.  I never indicated I took your remarks personally.</p>
<p>The perception management bit I was clueless concerning your intent: here&#8217;s from the wiki link:</p>
<p>Actions to convey and/or deny selected information and indicators to foreign audiences to influence their emotions, motives, and objective reasoning as well as to intelligence systems and leaders at all levels to influence official estimates, ultimately resulting in foreign behaviors and official actions favorable to the originator’s objectives. In various ways, perception management combines truth projection, operations security, cover and deception, and psychological operations.[1]</p>
<p>Since I&#8217;m &#8216;foreign&#8217; (American) I did wonder if you believed I was guilty of this &#8216;crime&#8217;.  If I seemed &#8216;imperialistic&#8217; it was in an attempt to bring some balance to the overwhelmingly negative remarks posted here regarding not only American criminals but also Americans in general (and generally left by people who never spend real time with Americans).</p>
<p>The idea that an incision of wallstreet and washington will clear the world of financial terrorism is ridiculous and dangerous: the criminals exist on both sides of the Atlantic.  The leadership of the criminal cartel I believe to emanate from Europe: but I always indicated that my beliefs proceed from a personal perspective and did not represent &#8216;truth&#8217;.</p>
<p>In fact, I was called &#8216;psychopathic&#8217; because I indicated that I believe truth to be a word more aptly described as &#8216;concensus&#8217;.</p>
<p>I am not sure what you meant by &#8216;speaks volumes&#8217;, Dedo. Perhaps you could enlighten me?</p>
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		<title>By: SG</title>
		<link>http://maxkeiser.com/2010/02/05/china-to-impose-dumping-penalties-on-us-chicken/#comment-82523</link>
		<dc:creator>SG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:32:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Y&#039;All
lucky I never mentioned her &#039;inner circle&#039; :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Y&#8217;All<br />
lucky I never mentioned her &#8216;inner circle&#8217; <img src='http://maxkeiser.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Dedo</title>
		<link>http://maxkeiser.com/2010/02/05/china-to-impose-dumping-penalties-on-us-chicken/#comment-82517</link>
		<dc:creator>Dedo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Frances,.I wasn&#039;t directing my comment at your posts actually,.but your reaction speaks volumes !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Frances,.I wasn&#8217;t directing my comment at your posts actually,.but your reaction speaks volumes !</p>
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		<title>By: frances snoot</title>
		<link>http://maxkeiser.com/2010/02/05/china-to-impose-dumping-penalties-on-us-chicken/#comment-82515</link>
		<dc:creator>frances snoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Dedo:
Since when is utilizing a vocabulary a crime?

Perception management?  Talking about the sdr on a financial site hardly qualifies!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Dedo:<br />
Since when is utilizing a vocabulary a crime?</p>
<p>Perception management?  Talking about the sdr on a financial site hardly qualifies!</p>
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		<title>By: frances snoot</title>
		<link>http://maxkeiser.com/2010/02/05/china-to-impose-dumping-penalties-on-us-chicken/#comment-82514</link>
		<dc:creator>frances snoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:07:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;@Y’ALL
MOMMA , MOMMA… don’t go away again not even for five seconds MOMMA your ikkle ikkle children like it when you SIT HERE ALL DAY…. with your legs OPEN for us MOMMA… you make the comments warm and we like sitting between your legs… MOMMA… JUST Don’t choke ant us again MOMMA!!!&quot;

The above post is abusive.  It should not be tolerated and should be flagged.

This same poster is warning about trolls!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;@Y’ALL<br />
MOMMA , MOMMA… don’t go away again not even for five seconds MOMMA your ikkle ikkle children like it when you SIT HERE ALL DAY…. with your legs OPEN for us MOMMA… you make the comments warm and we like sitting between your legs… MOMMA… JUST Don’t choke ant us again MOMMA!!!&#8221;</p>
<p>The above post is abusive.  It should not be tolerated and should be flagged.</p>
<p>This same poster is warning about trolls!</p>
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		<title>By: Dedo</title>
		<link>http://maxkeiser.com/2010/02/05/china-to-impose-dumping-penalties-on-us-chicken/#comment-82513</link>
		<dc:creator>Dedo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:05:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Those that regurgitate words, should get their heads around this concept, and wonder where the word &quot;troll&quot; came from and for who&#039;s benefit, hmm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception_management</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Those that regurgitate words, should get their heads around this concept, and wonder where the word &#8220;troll&#8221; came from and for who&#8217;s benefit, hmm<br />
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception_management" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perception_management</a></p>
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		<title>By: frances snoot</title>
		<link>http://maxkeiser.com/2010/02/05/china-to-impose-dumping-penalties-on-us-chicken/#comment-82512</link>
		<dc:creator>frances snoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 11:00:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pretty pathetic that instead of a dialogue there is a diatribe; instead of arguments concerning finance or politics people are put down or called trolls; that those who abuse are called correct and far-sighted.

It&#039;s incredibly sad and juvenile: almost as though the posts proceed from a single-source, or agenda, which feels threatened by an alternative perspective.

It lowers the level of discursive freedom to the junior-high-school parking lot.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pretty pathetic that instead of a dialogue there is a diatribe; instead of arguments concerning finance or politics people are put down or called trolls; that those who abuse are called correct and far-sighted.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s incredibly sad and juvenile: almost as though the posts proceed from a single-source, or agenda, which feels threatened by an alternative perspective.</p>
<p>It lowers the level of discursive freedom to the junior-high-school parking lot.</p>
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		<title>By: Phil /Germany</title>
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		<dc:creator>Phil /Germany</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:56:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;b&gt;Just a small point on Jekyll Island ...&lt;/b&gt;

Was pleases this morning on talking to a local farmer that has just read the German version of TCFJI. He lectures History at the local Uni. and helps his parents run the farm in his spare time.

I&#039;ve posted many times that all this information that we discuss here ( links, interviews etc. ) are basically wasted unless they are structured such that newcomers can join the dots.

I am thinking in terms of a sort of End-The-Fed-Fiat-System  Wikipedia .. where all those non-MSM ( and of course MSM ) dots are connected together.

I feel rather guilty myself of not having actually started building this years ago myself ... what a wasted opportunity.
So easy to do.
My &quot;saved webpage articles&quot; storage is now ca. 2 GB and my &quot;saved video interviews&quot; is now ca. 25 GB.
Just too damn lazy I suppose !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><b>Just a small point on Jekyll Island &#8230;</b></p>
<p>Was pleases this morning on talking to a local farmer that has just read the German version of TCFJI. He lectures History at the local Uni. and helps his parents run the farm in his spare time.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve posted many times that all this information that we discuss here ( links, interviews etc. ) are basically wasted unless they are structured such that newcomers can join the dots.</p>
<p>I am thinking in terms of a sort of End-The-Fed-Fiat-System  Wikipedia .. where all those non-MSM ( and of course MSM ) dots are connected together.</p>
<p>I feel rather guilty myself of not having actually started building this years ago myself &#8230; what a wasted opportunity.<br />
So easy to do.<br />
My &#8220;saved webpage articles&#8221; storage is now ca. 2 GB and my &#8220;saved video interviews&#8221; is now ca. 25 GB.<br />
Just too damn lazy I suppose !</p>
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		<title>By: Dedo</title>
		<link>http://maxkeiser.com/2010/02/05/china-to-impose-dumping-penalties-on-us-chicken/#comment-82509</link>
		<dc:creator>Dedo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 10:14:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@marietta,..I remember an old quote,.quite profound in a funny sort of way:  &quot;Don&#039;t sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things&quot;
Think about it!   :  )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@marietta,..I remember an old quote,.quite profound in a funny sort of way:  &#8220;Don&#8217;t sweat the petty things, pet the sweaty things&#8221;<br />
Think about it!   :  )</p>
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		<title>By: mexmet gzc</title>
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		<dc:creator>mexmet gzc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 09:59:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hey, stacy was ur idea to stay @ golden ring? are tryin to give max subliminal messages?  :-P</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hey, stacy was ur idea to stay @ golden ring? are tryin to give max subliminal messages?  <img src='http://maxkeiser.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_razz.gif' alt=':-P' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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