Europe: Who Gives, Who Receives

Stacy Summary:   Interesting post on Zerohedge with a great chart.  Of course the imbalances between who gives and who receives are built into the integration paradigm.  Spain and Ireland were early beneficiaries of this through the massive European funds to raise the standard of their infrastructure to that of other European nations.  But it’s good to see the relative charts because on an absolute level it looks like Germany, France and Italy receive the most, until you see how much they put in.   And, I might also add, there is a very similar chart that could be made in the US.  As there have so far been no calls for federal bailouts of any states in the US, it has not become an issue.

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89 Responses to Europe: Who Gives, Who Receives

  1. Great graph, sucky title..The idea is that you up the standards in the reciever countries, so they are not Moochers, they are catching up.

  2. @Mother Earth – yes, that’s what I attempted to explain in my summary; I don’t think ZH understands that a large purpose of the fund is to help these nations ‘catch up’

  3. Tis is definately H / T Hic ;-)
    Bernanke delivers blunt warning on U.S.
    With uncharacteristic bluntness, Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke warned Congress on Wednesday that the United States could soon face a debt crisis like the one in Greece, and declared that the central bank will not help legislators by printing money to pay for the ballooning federal debt.

    Doh
    http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/feb/25/bernanke-delivers-warning-on-us-debt/

    ROFL ;-) tis guy Bernake is just unbelievebale

  4. Pinched from Infowars
    Hic ;-)

  5. Wit ta previous article tear seems to be a Kinda unison on what they are gonna do What it is We need an insider to find tat out
    Hic ;-)

  6. @Max

    This is a better chart of the USA’s “socialist” states

    http://democraticactionteam.org/redstatesocialism/index.html

  7. Much ado about NOTHING.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlUaabcQKi8&feature=related

    Catch up ? Now that’s funny. You mean a freakin waste a money.
    Hey Mother Earth. Where is the catchup ? Empty houses, busted government. I don’t see the high tech industries in Greece, in Portugal ? Nope. A big pack of sh—. Lies lies lies.

  8. I can just Envision ta US Fed’s Balance sheet
    Iran *[1]
    Afghanistan Liabilities Assetes
    .. 12 bill . . 800 bill
    Net 788 bill Drug money
    **[1] F@#kin Iran’s credability increasing Grrrrrrrrrrrrr ****
    ROFL
    Hic ;-)

  9. @Bonn Hey

    http://www.kewego.fr/video/iLyROoafYdKm.html

    Run away. Bernaké is a psycho. He should be put away.

  10. @Stacy

    Ah, the ‘integration paradigm’, I must have had a pre coffe lapse ;-)

    Here’s an intersting case of organized fraud in financial realm, it’s about tens of millions no less!! I guess GS doesn’t like competition

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8539680.stm

  11. NEW YORK–(BUSINESS WIRE)– American International Group, Inc. (AIG) today reported a net loss attributable to AIG common shareholders of $8.9 billion for the fourth quarter of 2009, or $65.51 per diluted common share, compared to a net loss of $61.7 billion or $458.99 per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2008. Fourth quarter 2009 adjusted net loss was $7.2 billion, compared to an adjusted net loss of $38.5 billion in the fourth quarter of 2008.

  12. Imagine YOU being the fish and the dolphines the banksters….

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ3CXFPJ0J8

  13. @Marc, ALL
    this interview really blew my mind , a whistleblower from the gates foundation interviewed by alex jones, 2008.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXylqgsdA3w
    this is seriously not to be missed

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    White cell with white cushion walls
    ROFL
    Hic ;-)

  15. ‘Euro has become a ‘subprime’ currency’
    Financial Post – Canada

    http://www.financialpost.com/opinion/columnists/story.html?id=c224ccbf-93d1-4b02-a32c-519328cbc8e4

    There are 16 countries using the € currency.
    5 PIGS.
    Germany + France are the foundation.
    Plus 9 others of unknown economic health.

    Austria
    Belgium
    Luxembourg
    the Netherlands
    Finland
    Slovenia
    Cyprus
    Malta
    Slovakia

    Unknown to Joe Average because he relies on the media, which is too lazy and stupid to examine these 9 countries until AFTER something happens.
    It’s too easy for them to carry on with their PIG thing.
    This € mess should be a humdinger, and is only beginning.

  16. @ gb
    Nice link
    Dunno how I missed it
    Hic ;-)

  17. Very nice chart, but the numbers don’t balance.

    A quick inspection of the numbers leads to the conclusion that a EUR 100-200 billion or more is being paid in that does not go to any member state, it seems.

    Maybe this is for MEP salaries + expenses?

  18. @ X

    Paper has become a subprime currency. That shitbag canadian Financial Post is controlled by lick ass Wall Street Asper, Asper a fascist zionist, is feriously a freakin neo-con fanatic. They love to hate Europe at the Financial Post. Personnally I don’t make a difference between the euro and the US dollar.

    Paper is a subprime currenc, not just the euro. Europe has Greece and the PIIGS, and the US has California, Florida, Nevada etc. 48 states almost bankrupted or on the verge of it. Minus 25,000 jobs at the “Naza” yesterday.

  19. @bonn
    isn’t that some of the worst shit you have ever heard?
    don’t know why i didn’t post it before

  20. @EB

    It’s Goldman Sachs bonuses.

  21. @ gb
    No I kinda Knew some shit was up
    After watchin Food Inc. and Codex Alementrius (Google will correct ya)
    Also Davide Icke claims he has never got his Childeren Vaccinated
    So
    Hic ;-)

  22. @gb
    We knew. The Gates of hell are open. No kidding. There is something demonic in his look. Sick puppy obessed with massive vaccinations with weird proteines. Fucked up bilionnaire. An perfect American psycho like all of them. Warren Buffett and Ted Turner too are obsessed with sex and the babies in Africa.

  23. Just ta fact tat Bill gates donated 10 Bill recently fer vaccines is a Red Flag WTF is a pathetic software Stealer Arsehole doing donating money fer vaccines ????????
    Hic ;-)
    where’s tat baseball bat :twisted:

  24. @M/A

    High tech is not important, besides, we have plenty high tech industry in Europe. The only reason why there is so much emphasis on innovation and whatnot is because it justifies a broken patent system which is completely abused to control access to the market.

  25. Balthasar Lohenberg

    These numbers don’t add up. The EU only has a budget of €130 bn. Germany pays € 25.8 bn to the EU and gets back € 12.5 bn that would mean a net-payment of €13.3 bn in 2010. What timeframe are they talking about? where are the numbers from?
    perhaps combined the payments in the 2007-2013 financing plan.

    We just threw out the last government here in Germany that was making 5-year plans 20 years ago.

  26. From what I know of mankind there is no way to eliminate abuse. The only thing you can do is take away the tools used.

  27. Excellent graphic chart and table for US “federal expenditures” (i.e. tax-payer funded).

    DC on the table is, of course at 5.5 to 1. (2.5+ times higher than the other highest) and those tax monies aren’t going to “disadvantaged populations” or their run-down and ever increasingly deteriorating neighborhood infrastructures (visit and see). So, it’s the “usual suspects” – doing their best “business” as usual (fraud and theft).

  28. @ Mother Earth – there is no way to eliminate abuse
    I dont agree wit ya
    If ya as humanity have been persecuted fer well I know its 5000 odd years ,ya perhaps tink its only 100 years
    Obviously y’all land up with Physycos in society
    And wait fer it hun its gonna get lot more worse with many more physcos before we cut ta gangarene infected limb and get on peacefully wit humanity
    Hic ;-)

  29. OFC Max and Stacy would have ta search fer a Job ten
    ROFL lolololololol
    Guess Max could go back to Wall St. ten
    Hic ;-)

  30. 1. Roland Nolan went to Poland.
    2. Roland Nolan’s stuff was stolen.
    3. No-one offered no consolin’.
    4. Who’s controllin’ Roland Nolan?

  31. TWO LAKHS RUPEES? Let ‘em catch me: “GM Crops SUCK! THEY SUCK!” See? Nuttin’ happened.

  32. to max

    show details 1:38 PM (1 hour ago)

    Bernanke has said that he will not monetize the US-debt any further. Limited inflation is a risk and threatens the life of the GIANT SQUIB OF DEBT. The SQUIB has sucked the blood out of the US-system, regained force and will now expulse the corpse of the middle-class US-economy. The US-empire will break down and social winter will come to the US for a long time to come. The US-establisment with its laissez faire policies is not capable to handle this massive problem and the US will probably default on its debts in a few years time……Yet, a new currency will have been issued by the SQUIB to replace the dollar. Succesfull US corporatians and US-banks will go further international.

    The UK-tentakel of the SQUIB is cut of in the crisis. So to get control over the UK again, the SQUIB will attack the UK banks under governement control by calling for stimulus and than by forcing huge debts to the UK-balancescheet, so the UK-governement will become again highly dependent on foreign capital.

    The German Banks still act as if they are independent. Yet the SQUIB has sucked enormous dark holes in their balancescheets, which they hide. As the crisis in the continent of Europe enfolds and the US is collapsing, Germany will be forced to choose between letting the tentakels of the SQUIB free and taking unrepayable debts on their balance scheet or cutting them of….. which would mean a direct collapse of Europe, the isolation of Germany and a deadly crisis…… Yet with freeing the SQUIB the crisis will return with a vengeance…..

    China keeps buying the US-debt, because they want to get further control over the US. The Chinese will also fight the SQUIB. In this fight they will receive heavy blows as a consequence of their unbalanced economy….

    The crisis, with many fascistoide characteristics, can only be contained by returning to the theory and practice of fascism (the confucian-model). The ideal will be again to raise a thru human society and not a traders paradise…. The GIANT SQUIB OF DEBT must be cut into peaces……….

    jerome

  33. A squib is a miniature explosive device used in a wide range of industries, from special effects to military applications.

  34. @ ronron
    Tat F@#Kface Environment Minister Jairam Ramesh tinks hes Blond Blue Eyed and 6 feet tall with fair skin
    Wait till he sees his grand kids dieing
    And Trust me he is gonna get opposition
    Tats ta beauty of having more tan 4 to 5 Partys in a country
    Tats what I have tryin to tell ya peeps
    Hic ;-)

  35. MANY Mag 4.5+ Earthquakes over 7 days

    http://www.wolton.net/quake.html

    Very impressive and unusual picture over last 7 days.

    The program above is excellent BTW.

  36. @Bonn. we have 5 in canada. still have the cfr hanging out.

  37. @bonn

    I will maintain my position on abuse, just because if you look carefully at any organization, you know there is only high quality work done if either the employees are used to it, or slacking is just not possible. You can not prevent people from being opportunistic criminals in general, so there better be no opportunities. In banking that means there should be no light between an asset and the legal contract that represents it. Manoey could only be proof of ownership, derivatievs would be impossible to have, just like futures and all that nonsense that only serves to pump the apparent amount of liquidity..

  38. @M/E. thought the squib came from the explosion?

  39. Washington Times :

    Bernanke delivers blunt warning on U.S. debt
    Stage is set in U.S. for a Greek tragedy

    CNBC:

    Feds Intentionally Devaluing the U.S. Dollar!
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zsx3TDdKrvw&feature=grec

    Talks about Gold and the US$ !

  40. HookedOnKoolais

    This chart & data are false!
    Not because there is worldjudeoreptilefascistconspiracy but simply because the Netherlands has become Denmark all of a sudden.
    Futhermore the EU is obviously the future for domesticated mankind: Boring bureaucrats & bankers doing their jobs without christmas bonusses.
    No need to invoke demons and conspiracies while plain stupidity & greed can easily explain our current crisis.

  41. @bonn, MarcA
    the psychopaths rule. i still keep asking myself where we went wrong and permitted this to happen to us.

  42. @ Mother Earth
    By me guesstimates
    They Have Free Energy tey just waiting to find immortality (in the sense so long as ya don’t do anything stupid )tey prity
    close Notice tey just found ta aging gene
    During Bush Administration tey Publically Said tat Stem Cell Research was illegal It has since resumed in ta Obama Administration
    Cause The chinese woulda said Balls ta all of ya we gooing ahead with Stem Cell R&D
    once tat has been achieved tey will have thier WW3
    Tats what all tis lunacy is about
    IMO
    HIC ;-)

  43. @ gb
    It all goes horribily wrong when ya don’t have transparency in any Process IMO
    Hic ;-)

  44. total corruption just like aj calls it.
    but what the hell is wrong with us? or are we just victims.
    or would most of us be scumbags if we had the chance.

  45. @ronron
    Goody 1 hr Documentary Wanderful wanderful me evenins made
    Hic ;-)

  46. @ gb
    Ta reason why it was possible till now was Info. & Peeps was compartmentalised. So lotta peeps did’nt know they were part of a bigger agenda IMO
    ;-) Hic but its gettin harder fer tem in ta words of David Icke “Ta Genie is out of ta bottle even if ya close ta bottle its pointless”

  47. @P/G. wait till snoot sees that.

  48. NY Post 2.27.10

    ‘This is certainly more interesting than any debate over charter schools.
    The parliament in Latvia is pushing to ban all alcohol sales on the first day of school because students tend to go drinking rather than head to class.
    The measure is being met with opposition from the center-right coalition, who dismiss it as a populist stunt.’

    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/weird_but_true/weird_but_true_XFcZJGEQlhUxTa3yQtI6CN#ixzz0gkJPP1P1

  49. @bonn
    happy to hear that you’re optimistic, at least more than i am these days

  50. @ gb
    NO CHOICE
    Plus if ya saw Paulson/Blankfine he was shivering @ the congressional hearings one of ta GS heads
    Plus Timmy was laughed of stage in China .
    Clearly as tat Kremlin Economist suggested tat teese are stand in Olygarcs not ta real ones
    ROFL loololololol
    Hic ;-)

  51. I’ve also stated @ tis site “Don’t put any Bugger on a pedestral tat bugger just has access to info. tat you don’t have access to tats all
    Tat prick aint more brilliant tan ya ”
    If Einstien was so freakin brilliant
    Let me into tat Vatican Library “What are you so frightened of ????”
    Hic ;-)

  52. @bonn
    who was the kremlin economist?
    yes i also believe that these idiots are all front men.

  53. @Stacy and Mother Earth – Not only were the funds suppose to help the countries catch up, but they weren’t even used for the people. In Greece, the government, since Andreas Papandreou brought us into the the then EC in 1981 (and at the same time took right cover by playing the nationalist rhetoric card while still bringing in more US bases into our country) has been stealing all the development funds that the EU has been giving us. Besides some fat and lazy civil servants, most greeks are beyond frustrated with the economic stagnation caused by this endemic corruption that we have seen since the end of the junta. The current prime minister’s father had promised us a Pan Hellenic Movement (P.A.S.O.K.) and instead all we got was more deceit and endless corruption (the siemens scandal is just one glaring example).

    I should also point out that, while the Greek government is bankrupt (because it was just a funnel for money laundering), the greek people have plenty of money. Greece is a rich country, and the tax evasion and black market has saved us from much of the problems seen in other industrialized countries (same is the case for italy). If it weren’t for the black market we would be in worse shape than we are now. It isn’t that we are “smoochers,” it is that our politicians are insanely corrupt and government is just washing machine for public funds. This is a shame, because those of us with capital that we would like to employ in our country in order to build up local industries that would lead to job growth and higher employment now are scared that our very wealth is at risk, which is why you are seeing capital flight.

    What we need is for Greece not to compromise on the aegean islands and any other political issue in return for debt roll-overs or even debt forgiveness (which is definitely not going to happen). What should happen is that we should take drastic measures to cut our budget, conduct serious investigations into the fraud that has been perpetuated by the political establishment (but they government is so corrupt that this will never happen. There is no one with a clean record and any influence in government to initiate an investigation), and lastly, if push comes to shove, default on our debt and re-institute the drachma at a very loose peg to the Euro. We all know that eventually, all these governments are going to hit funding crises. There is no reason that Greece should drag out the pain. It’s going to face a liquidity freeze eventually, and it might as well be the first to come out and admit that it has no hopes of paying back the debt.

    We fought hard for our independence, and our own bad qualities are to blame for our predicament, but our good qualities, like our pride, will not allow us to become the helots of Europe.

  54. Zero is not giving a very balanced view:

    “Representatives from Spain and Portugal especially – but also from France – hold Germany accountable for their current woes. They aren’t alone in that opinion either. “The Greek crisis has German roots,” says Heiner Flassbeck, chief economist at the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD), in Geneva. It was German wage dumping that got the country’s European neighbors in trouble, he says.”

    http://freeinternetpress.com/story.php?sid=24501

    The German posturing and name-calling is hardly conducive to ‘grown-up’ political solutions: are the Germans bullies?

  55. @ gb
    Not good wit names but Max interviewed him
    I am happy wit Max, Peter schiff ,Marc faber AJ,Mish , Chapman,Cathrine austin Fitts,and a couple of other dudes
    No use trying ta follow a russian Economist unless ya know Russian he’s more likely to report in Russian
    IMO
    Hic ;-)

  56. http://www.ekathimerini.com/4dcgi/_w_articles_politics_100008_24/02/2010_115158

    “Parliament Speaker Filippos Petsalnikos yesterday condemned German press reports on Greece’s financial crisis that he said “surpassed all limits” and invited Germany’s ambassador to Greece, Wolfgang Schultheiss, to discuss the “offensive” coverage.

    Petsalnikos was responding to two articles – one in Stern magazine in the form of an open letter to Greeks from disgruntled German taxpayers, which also appeared in the February 19 issue of Athens Plus, and the other featured in an issue of Focus magazine whose front page depicts a statue of the Venus de Milo making an obscene gesture under the title “Greek cheats.” The House speaker condemned the two reports as “anything but objective” and containing “inaccuracies and false information.””

  57. Mrs. Merkel is using this time to explore new possibilities of introducing fiscal discipline in the euro zone. For the first time earlier this month she spoke about the need for a European economic government. ““Merkel has come round to the idea that if you have a monetary union, then you need economic governance,” Mr. Brok said.

    For years, that idea was taboo in Germany. Since the 1990s, when the European Union was preparing to introduce the euro, France has regularly called for the introduction of an economic government in Europe, partly to coordinate fiscal policies and spending programs and partly to check the power of the European Central Bank.”

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/18/world/europe/18iht-letter.html

  58. http://eu.greekreporter.com/2010/02/27/letter-of-protest-to-the-publishers-of-the-german-magazine-focus-by-the-federation-of-greek-communities-in-germany/

    “A letter of protest, written in a harsh tone, was issued today to the publishers of the German magazine FOCUS by OEK (Federation of Greek Communities in Germany), regarding the publication of two defamatory articles against Greece which are featured, as it is known, on this month’s edition of the magazine.”

  59. @ronron … wait till snoot sees that.

    LOL ..yeah !

    Sometimes I wish they’d get it over with so he can stop ramming SDRs down our throats !
    ;-)

  60. PS@The program above is excellent BTW.

    http://www.wolton.net/quake.html

    .. an easier view :

    http://www.iris.edu/seismon/

    For those that are too lazy to download the program !
    ;-)

  61. Here’s a nasty article concerning the piigs acronym where the alternative belies a real juvenile attitude:

    http://blogs.marketwatch.com/fundmastery/2010/02/05/piigs-no-longer-flying/

    “Update: My son Elijah suggested I add two more names to the list:

    GIPSI and PIGIS”

    Why would you encourage a kid to behave in that manner?

  62. snow bound in New York

    my first image is looking up central park west

    central park on the right

    right past Strawberry Fields

    big ass flakes falling through a wind tunnel between two high rises on the upper west side

    apartment too small to really be cozy

    no fire place but done up in faux new mexican terra cotta and green

    two phones on the wall one goes to the dry cleaners in the lobby

  63. Yeap, the funds were given to modernize the countries but not to be invested by countries in their own will and interest. The standards can be rise, need to be rise to make possible to create certain purchase power but not to create a society that could create real competition.

    Funds were given to built roads for the German and French cars. For example the ratio Roads/rail roads in Spain is one of the lowest in Europe. You are allowed to build fast rail roads but just if you buy German of French speed trains otherwise the money does not flow. Paradoxically the Spanish manufactured trains are sold in the US. Second example, Spain is given funds if you dismantle the supposedly obsolete public shipyards however the private sector is not allow to retake them even though the orders cannot be match by production. Production in the shipyards is ban till 2015. That in a country with >20% unemployment. Spanish state was penalized by Brussels for diverting funds to help the private sector . Even with the fine and thanks to the state investment now the shipyars are competitive.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAVANTIA

    Spain is fined for breaking the competitiveness european rules trying to modernize the shipyards however the DONORS countries can subsidize their industry as soon as the problems approach.

    http://hubpages.com/hub/French-Renault-Peugeot-Citroen-Get-7-Billion-from-France

    It smells double standards logic applied to me.

    Other public companies (telefonica, repsol…) were privatized in the Russian way. Scarce profit was given to the state and the companies ended in the hands of the small plutocracy with fascist roots in connivance with Brussels. Or at least corruption in Spain was tolerable during the construction bubble as long as machinery companies based in the “competitive” countries were happy.

    It is a quasi-planned economy where the southern countries are the garden of Europe for summer resorts and bachelor parties. And the funds come back to the core via the private sector. Do you think that Germany and France would give money to jeopardize their own interest?

  64. @ Max – We’ve got so much snow that I actually had to go out back and shovel a path for my dogs to go to the bathroom. There’s about 2 feet back there–more in some places b/c of the snow we sent flying back there with the snowblower. The dogs love snow and like to run through it, but this stuff is the heavy packing kind of snow, and neither of them could penetrate it. I think they feel special now with their path; I made a big loop so that they didn’t have to figure out how to turn their bodies around and get back to the house once they got to the end of the path. ;-)

  65. @Stacy: yes, that’s what I attempted to explain in my summary; I don’t think ZH understands that a large purpose of the fund is to help these nations ‘catch up’

    ————————————————————————–
    You cannot help the poor by destroying the rich.
    You cannot strengthen the weak by weakening the strong.
    You cannot bring about prosperity by discouraging thrift.
    You cannot lift the wage earner up by pulling the wage payer down.
    You cannot further the brotherhood of man by inciting class hatred.
    You cannot build character and courage by taking away men’s initiative and independence.
    You cannot help men permanently by doing for them, what they could and should do for themselves.

    –Abraham Lincoln

  66. @Phil, snoots a woman. ;-0

  67. @CommonSense – “catch up” their infrastructure I said, none of the money went to welfare type payments on humans; if Spain and Ireland didn’t have the money to build the infrastructure then the other nations were to finance it in order to facilitate and increase trade within the economic zone or that was the idea anyway

  68. @CommonSense:

    You are assuming the EU was not set up to be a colonizing force for sovereign banking interests.

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  70. @Stacy:

    Relax sweet cheeks. I still love yeah!

    (Sorry Max, Common Sense is taking over!)

  71. @jon – we just watched bbc program “How Earth Made Us” . . . in it, the presenter argues that humans have always built along fault lines because that is where the wealth is; the faults bring up the metals like copper from deep in the earth

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  73. The only ones who pay even more per capita than the Germans are…
    the prudent Dutch. I’d say, free Ouzo, Pizza, Paella, Guinnes etc for the Dutch and the Germans

  74. Mep,

    Funny story about the dogs! Love dogs. What breed are they?

  75. @ naomi – The girl is a black lab/chow mix, and the boy is a springer spaniel/border collie mix. I’ll see if I can get them to pose for some pictures next time they go out.

  76. An old successful businessman used to say that “the best civil servant, is the worst civil servant”. Bad civil servants are a blessing to business people because they can be manipulated. That’s of course self evident, just look at how much money Obama is given, or Merkel in comparison to their opponents, or even to the recent bank scandals, the lack of supervision brought. If you have any doubts as to who is benefited by this corrupt system, just check who is the richest.
    PA.SO.K. actually means Panhellenic Socialist Movement. It’s current leader, PM Papandreou wanted to change the name of his father’s party, to remove the middle word and change the logo. However, during the recent elections, he used an openly leftist retory, with which he crashed the right wing party and stole voters from the leftist parties. However, as soon as he took power, he did the exact opposite, using the method his predecessor did, as soon as he had taken power: trash the name of the country he was supposed to run. But Papandreou went a step further: he went on to baloon a crisis which he is using in the way Naomi Klein describes in “The Shock Doctrine: The Rise of Disaster Capitalism”. He is creating a disaster zone, a shock -with the help of the media and his right wing Greek and European friends- which he is using to pass legislation against his voters that he couldn’t have under normal circumstances.
    Looking at how much money Germany, Italy, Poland etc, give and receive through the EU mechanism is only part of the picture. It would be much more educational to look at how much money EU countries give and receive through imports and exports, just because they are in the EU. A look at the political pressures applied to determine the aforementioned balance wouldn’t hurt either.

  77. On the various US states mooching off others: I Want My 22cents back! (California gets 78 cents back for every dollar sent to Wash. DC). Like Greece and Italy, we also have a thriving underground economy, although if weed gets legalized, that may change.

  78. @gb

    For the Balance – Feb 25 2010 part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JGLSs_-17h0

  79. @ Monsanto Representative
    AKA Ruben Mella,

    Here Honey
    have look at tis
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2D4-noTiCg
    and also Food Inc.
    Ta genie is outta ta bottle hun
    ta genie is outta ta bottle !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1