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a small donation is the least we can do…
Roberts said it here, actually:
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/paul-craig-roberts-geithner-works-gol
At least we wouldn’t have to borrow it.
The IMF surely won’t print up that money out of the goodness of their
hearts. Readers need to investigate what has become of the US Treasury.
Remember: Craig Roberts said that the US Treasury was Goldman Sachs.
I wonder also how would Bill Still be sure the govt doesn’t just inflate the money supply? At least we wouldn’t have to borrow it. So our debt isn’t all just from buying chinese trinkets and other imports as I had thought
someone said (maybe giuseppe) that the plan may be for local governments and the gold is for international trade?
At the end of secrets of oz is ellen brown. Here is a ink to the keiser report for people who may have missed it. I went back to watch again.
Ellen Brown “Web of Debt on Keiser report 2/26/10
2/3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1lhJCiafit0
3/3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cixotVZ06q8&feature=related
I thing he got a clip of that bridge and is using a green background to put himself there.
I like it when the camera cuts out the pointing hand. In the money masters he points at the audience the whole time.
So I wonder what he would invest in? silver?
what school of economics is this? does he think the mises school missed the point or what? Maybe giuseppe knows or max n stacy will be up by now.
http://www.lewrockwell.com/dilorenzo/dilorenzo30.html
As soon as Lincoln took office the old Whig coalition finally controlled the entire government. It immediately tripled the average tariff rate, began subsidizing the building of a transcontinental railroad in California even though a desperate war was being waged, and on February 25, 1862, the Legal Tender Act empowered the Secretary of the Treasury to issue paper money (“greenbacks”) that were not immediately redeemable in gold or silver.
© Fair Use Doctrine of International Copyright Law © http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/107.html
Vega Man
Set up for another go at Gold $1,100.
Interesting night(for me) or just more of the same?
@Bliaboo
The greenbacks where not gold backed, they where backed by a community spirit. Money can be contract of mutual care and vulnerability. Bankers abuse it to exert power and steal wealth, states abuse it to tax without objection. Lincoln used it for his purposes (he wanted a war) and today even the US could issue its own money without interest on a road towards sustainable finances.
History has been kind to Lincoln.
okay, here’s the game. The fed prints money to give to thier very few banking friends. Trillions. And lets them spend it how they like. Which usually winds up being lavish yaughts and kingdoms around the world.
And the rest of us plead and wail for anyone to give us anything. Even just give us a job that we may be your slave.
Talk about a fair arrangment. NOt.
@Snoots
BWAHAhahahaha
you nut…
I’m still ahead…
your defense of the IMF is poot…
Meanwhile
here’s an ugly story about copyright Control
RE: the Jimi Hendrix Legacy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iz4BTlY7TiQ
The audio and video is totally out of sync, so bear with it…
I personally see Janie Hendrix as the real heir… but that’s becuz she made it something…
Leon, he’s been trying to milk it…
The whole thing is going to get eaten up by legal bills anyway
There goes $40 Million
it’s all over but the shouting,
It Is Now Official:
The U.S. Is a Police State
Paul Craig Roberts
http://www.foreignpolicyjournal.com/2010/02/10/it-is-now-official-the-u-s-is-a-police-state/
good night, and good luck
So?
That act is the stupidest piece of legislature ever foisted upon a deserving group of ignoramuses. Of course, withdraw away. We won’t be worth a grain of salt: they can continue on their colonial ventures without us.
SECTION 16 (Monetary Reform and Coercion Act)
Providing for the public purse in a series of squirts of bolstered bravado we hereby declare that a lottery will be enacted whereby the people have a chance as individuals outside their sustainable communities to purchase a Golden Ticket allowing the venturing forth from the contiguous US fenced region (excluding Canada) and see the new world made without their nasty dollar. A trip to a European country (or Canada) filled with our ‘betters’ who have made the transition to peace and tranquility within the context of colonial hypocrisy. Yes, one shot-once a year. The lucky denizen of the ticket perspective will return humbled to explain why the enmasse suffering of the US population was justified, warranted, and guaranteed by the passage of This Most Honorific Act.
Oh, I’m back.
Rhetoric is what is managed by the IMF in producing a special set of books called “monetary authority” ledgers in which their unit of account is not susceptible to the errant liabilities of non-members investment vehicles (currency) or assets (dollar-linked duds). The IMF is leading the projected demise of the dollar-reserve system, describing the accompanying social loss and chaos and ‘painful but necessary’.
http://answers.encyclopedia.com/question/imf-accounting-done-437187.html
“All IMF accounting is done in SDRs and commercial banks accept SDR-denominated accounts. The IMF has the exclusive right of allocating SDRs; the last such allocation was made in 1981.”
SDRs are a ficticious index, account unit, which value is derived according to the trade weight of four major export currencies (euro, dollar, yen, and pound). The IMF utilizes the sdr to protect assets from currency volitility and to enhance their own investments through directed investments.
The new reserve system retains the sdr as eminent index: procurring for IMF members and those with access to sdr-denominated assets, bonds, and securities a safe harbour for the turbulent times ahead.
Bill Still’s plan dovetails nicely with the IMF goal of ending the dollar-paper-standard in preference for their own unit-of-account as preminent enabler for elite gain. It doesn’t look like they are going to share: that’s just not ‘on their books’.
woops
Fuck up
the bold got screwed…
allow me to reiterate
withdraw the United States from all participation, and membership, in the Bank for International Settlements, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank,
@Snoots
So I take it you’re with me on this one?
Why do you say Nay (or neigh, as you put it, erroneously. Are you a horse)?
From Sec 15
The President is hereby authorized and directed to take such steps as may be necessary to ,b>withdraw the United States from all participation, and membership, in the Bank for International Settlements, the International Monetary Fund, the World Bank, and all other international banks, in any orderly manner, but in a period not to exceed one year from the effective date of this Act, and to recover the original and any subsequent United States subscriptions, contributions and quotas to such organizations, not already fully and lawfully expended, whether in the form of gold, deposits, currency or otherwise; and to enter into negotiations to establish new exchange facilities consistent with the purposes of this Act having no authority to create money or credit in any form, and having no independent authority to establish laws or regulations binding upon the United States or its banks, financial institutions or citizens, and subject to the ongoing, annual budgetary authority and approval of Congress.
Those parts in bold should be making you froth…
All money is debt when its issue is from a private central bank. The liquidity is created at the issuance of the debt but the interest is not created but has to be worked for by the serfs. The only way any one serf can escape is to ensure another serf goes down so that the surplus money can then be gained to pay back the principal and the interest. A great system! we get to fight each other to survive. The control mechanisms are all in place, the Fed reserve, Englands central bank, the IMF the BIS, the world bank et al. The management epicenter remains the City of London (otherwise known as the crown) Washington DC and also some say the Vatican–three cities to rule them all. The glue and control mechanism in country remains the masonic lodges who ensure hegemony through the security and legal apparatus.
It does not matter about the next Bretton Woods, the new reserve currency, nothing has really changed. Power will not cede unless confronted. Rhetoric my dear friends will remain what it always has been –hot air
Excuse me, I need to write my congressional representatives concerning the need to deliver the power to coin our money from the Beezelbub to the Devil, and why it is a good idea to implode our economy.
Just gotta find a stamp…(I want to deliver this like they used-to-do back when our Founding Fathers walked the earth. I do so love them guys! They surely passed the torch to Ron Paul, and to Bill Still!)
Does it make sense to you that way?
I’m not a child that you need to have determined patience with me,
Guiseppi.
Bill Still suggests nothing except the exact likeness of a ludicrous crane-necked gimp.
The Two Step Plan to National Economic Reform and Recovery
Directs the Treasury Department to issue U.S. Notes (exactly like Lincoln’s Greenbacks) to pay off the National debt.
http://monetaryplans.com/Bill_Still.html
I say NEIGH.
I mean: the man is frothing at the mouth. You do know that the IMF is the Treasury? And that the dollar needs to run a deficit to enable a liquid market for global trade?
The man is voting for the sdr system of reserve.
And it is NOT constitutional. Lincoln was operating outside the constitution which delineates Congress as the authority to coin, not the Treasury.
You can’t claim ANY constitutional basis for this little item. Not that it won’t happen. Chapman is on board for an IMF control as well.
@Snoots
Let me put it to you this way
If we had the IMF on the inside,
would it not be better than having them on the outside?
Does it make sense to you that way?
I remember as a child when the Central Bank actually took money OUT OF CIRCULATION…
usually becuz snot-noses like me drew moustaches and imperials on the face of the queen…
she always looked better as Frank Zappa
@Snoots
I AM open for debate…
ya got something for me?
I will concede, ceteris paribus, we are heading down an ugly path…
but what Bill Still and I suggest, is a solution from what we are engaged in…
or is it not?
That is all I am asking… say Yea or Nay…
Bill Still
Has a Will
What a Pill
Is Bill Still!
We can have it both ways
External and Internal…
Do you not see that?
Don’t be daft, Guiseppi. Mind goodness, you resemble The Evangelist.
http://www.shafe.co.uk/crystal/images/lshafe/Donatello_St_John_the_Evangelist_1410.jpg
@Snoots
We can have it both ways
External and Internal…
Do you not see that?
It’s fallen to the ground
Whatever you were trying to say,
like a castle made of sand…
By the Ocean, all washed away…
Make it real…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF4-r2MpRMs
Tell your family…
Tell your friends…
Sounds familar.
“So through the night rode Paul Revere;
And so through the night went his cry of alarm
To every Middlesex village and farm,—
A cry of defiance, and not of fear,
A voice in the darkness, a knock at the door,
And a word that shall echo for evermore!
For, borne on the night-wind of the Past,
Through all our history, to the last,
In the hour of darkness and peril and need,
The people will waken and listen to hear
The hurrying hoof-beats of that steed,
And the midnight message of Paul Revere.”
http://poetry.eserver.org/paul-revere.html
I wonder what old Paul Revere would think of the IMF retaining control while the people pondered how best to destroy domestic liquidity?
@Bliaboo
We are not arguing…
we are at consensus
…
You have Constitutional proof (from the American perspective) of what I am putting forth..
Now it is up to TPTB to make it so…
How can we make them realize this, from our humble standings?
What can make the change?
If MAX does his best Howard Beale impression, will that help?
Maybe, if every American sends the link to each representative, and ensures that they watch and understand it…
yet in the end, action is necessary… but what action?
This is a matter of education and comprehension…
Let’s face it… the greater part of humanity is utterly IGNORANT of what could be, never mind WHAT IS !!!
On here, we are doing no more than preaching to the choir, as it were…
Tell your family…
Tell your friends…
tell your neighbours and that guy who delivers Pizza or Chinese Food…
then tell them all to tell those who THEY ELECTED to represent them
this is no easy task, that’s for certain…
As Bill Still implies… there is the gov’t that is OBTUSE and that which is ACUTE…
when they are sharpest, that is when you have the greatest power…
forks pitch forks or even pitch folks
pitch folks, tar and feathers, …
Let’s say that some ooga-booga Supra-National regulation comes in…
what does that mean?
It means that Intra-National currencies trade at a ratio…
what ratio?
care to show me some math?
some speculative forecast?
Intra-National? No, regional currency blocs. Nation/states obsolete. And for trade these regional blocs will have some unit/vehicle. But the people don’t necessarily get to share in the spoils. That would be egalitarian, and we’re moving beyond that ideal to one of shared misery.
which is in turn to be regulated by states/peoples
How is this little hat/trick to be pulled off?
@Guiseppi:
No offense taken.
I’m not ‘worried’, merely pointing out that global trade divorced from the people from whom the profit it is extracted through force and deception (that would be global) won’t make for very nice conditions at ye’ ole homestead.
And I think you could do better that the twitter-induced birdbrain of Oz.
@Dork:
I spent my entire childhood being indoctrinated within the contextuality of a dollar paper standard system of mumbo/jumbo trite crap and pustulating goo. I’d prefer a little honesty here. If we are moving to a new reserve system, why don’t we see how we are going to set up our country’s best interests?
They don’t do that because we will be operating under a military junta without a viable currency. The sovereign retains rights through principal and law.
We were lied to. We’re being lied to. We will be lied to in future.
That’s America!
I think it’s time to throw rotten tomatoes.
Giuseppe Bagodonutti; 2:45 am
“…there needs to be a separation between external debt and the debt within…So if a nation wishes to let the representative Central banks have control of exogenous FIAT, then let them…”
Yes, You’re correct and Still is arguing for this as well but in different form: that is – this was provided for by US Constitution
(again, Article 1, Section
where the Congress is required to “…to regulate Commerce with foreign Nations and among the (at that time several) States and with the Indian Tribes;”
and that regulation should be returned -in full- to Congress (which is in turn to be regulated by states/peoples).
(All activities of Congress -such as all commerce with foreign nations- now only in theory- are to be controlled by the populace via respective states.
This is not how things work now).
A corrupt congress authorized the “Fed”, and worse -gave up “its”* regulation role requirement at the same time (hence Ron Paul types demanding “audit the Fed”, “eliminate the Fed”, etc.).
*the regulation role required of Congress – is not exclusive domain of Congress but to the people – via the States, etc.
@Snoots
Bring on bretton-woods 3-d
I don’t care…
it is EXOGENOUS…
It is a matter for the Uber-Wealthy and Nation-traders…
Not REAL PEOPLE…
and that is where Intra-National Currency comes in…
It is the next best thing to Technocracy’s ERG’s or whatever they call them
(which I think is an outstanding idea… see the Roach’s essay on Zero-Hedge for more info)
Let’s say that some ooga-booga Supra-National regulation comes in…
what does that mean?
It means that Intra-National currencies trade at a ratio…
what ratio?
care to show me some math?
some speculative forecast?
No offense, but what you worry about is equivalent to the Revelation of the greatest fictional story on Earth… that one with the Mexican Saviour…
what’s his name again?
@Snoots
I’m sure, at the Macro-economic level, Canada will “suffer”, as you put it…
SO WHAT?!?!?!
What is new?
We have suffered under the shadow of the USA for decades, ever since we turned the White House BLACK… (that’s a historical reference, in case you missed it)
That doesn’t mean anything to me,
and the concept of
Intra-national Currency…
Are you going to tell me that the IMF is out to take control?
So what?
IMF has always represented US Treasury interests. If you liked the world under Bretton Woods 1, Guiseppi, then you’ll love it under Bretton Woods 2 even better.
@Snoot
Has there ever been a point in History where a non elite peasant class usurped power from a existing elite ……….
there is a elite and a potential elite period
I was just wondering if you were going to suffer as much as us Americans under the new reserve system, Guiseppi.
Lincoln was no lover of liberty: he was a banker’s man. Lincoln dissolved state’s rights and terminated congressional coin of our currency. Lincoln was a racist.
Lincoln’s presidency was our introduction to ‘our democracy’. Why does Obama emulate Lincoln? What about that corny train ride to Washington?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/01/17/national/inauguration09/main4729489.shtml
And swearing in on Lincoln’s Bible?
http://www.usatoday.com/news/politics/2008-12-23-inauguration-obama_N.htm
http://www.slate.com/id/2209134/
@Bliaboo
Lincoln did so via Congress and the US Treasury, bypassing private -internationally connected- banks in order to pay for the war.
Sounds great!!!!
When can we start this up again?
@Snoots
That is my place of birth and current residence…
But I consider myself an Earthling
I strive to be in tune with Geo-injustice…
And for certain, the current state of financial hegemony… Plutocratic Oligopoly… whatever…. is a concern to me…
Is there a problem?
Are you going to tell me that the IMF is out to take control?
So what?
Does that preclude the ability of Nations to manage what they have within?
Lincoln issued gold backed “greenbacks” because the US was offered a loan for conduct of the civil war of $5 million at 12% – which at that time (or any) was considered a steep rate of interest on any loan.
Lincoln did so via Congress and the US Treasury, bypassing private -internationally connected- banks in order to pay for the war.
It’s possible to say that the Union would have lost had the Lincoln government not taken that action (think fully of those implications), however there were plenty of outside “forces” hoping that both sides -Union and Confederate- would destroy each other and the USA. Very profitable for some (and very similar to today’s state of affairs).
Guiseppi:
Aren’t you from Canada?
The governments are regulated through the monetary authorities that control the currencies (G20). The global system is looking to a form of international liquidity for trade/reserve available to elite members/sovereigns. The masses are taught that liquidity doesn’t matter/exist: that the problem is debt. The more we enter fully into the liquidity trap/3% deficit to GDP, the more assertive control the monetary authorities will retain over the governments (proxy criminals). We are not exiting the control of these sovereign banks but entering the control grid with open- armed acceptance when we further exacerbate the global deflationary spiral by believing that our national systems of domestic currency are only controlled at the national level. The IMF will be all too happy to control sovereign reserves, trades, exchange rates, and dictate policy through the new reserve system. There will be no forex trade: all cross border capital will be regulated by the monetary authorities.
The colonization of the nations will be enabled by the end of the tie between the domestic ‘currency’ (dollar paper standard/exchange rate system) and the global trade ‘currency’ (sdr vehicle) for exports.
All money is debt. Money is a form of capital which maintains deferred payment.
What’s with the bird noises in the beginning of the video? Was there a bird in the studio, Guiseppi? That guy is totally detached from the real world. Doesn’t he know anything about the international global financial system? Does he prefer the sdr/reserve system over the dollar system? Because he sure is preaching for the IMF: albeit poorly.
@Bliaboo
thanx for backing me up on that…
The gov’ts have lost control of money…
But that said…
considering the nature of present Geo-politics,
there needs to be a separation between external debt and the debt within…
So if a nation wishes to let the representative Central banks have control of exogenous FIAT, then let them
But when it comes to what happens WITHIN ONE’S BORDERS,
Make your own…
It is ridiculously simple…
And I would appreciate some criticism as to why it would not work…
@ Giuseppe Bagodonutti; 10:31 pm:
“… Intra-National Currency”
this was the original intention and provided for by US law in the US Constitution, Article 1, Section 10 which requires each state to not “…make any Thing but gold and silver Coin a Tender in Payment of Debts …”
States -are to be closely regulated by their respective populations, in turn States -are to control the Federal level (e.g. senate was originally filled by votes of Congress persons vice the people -leaving room for corruption but not as much as the current – extra-constitutional mess the US now has).
These provisions have been and are currently bypassed by Congress and with regard to the current debt-as-money economy – Congress was unconstitutionally aided by POTUS Woodrow Wilson who signed the “Federal Reserve System” into existence on 23 December, 1913 with some “arm twisting” by E.M House (who had very close connections with various European powers), blah, blah, blah.
Likewise – “intra-national currency” has existed in the USA in one form or another for the past 70 years (likely from the beginning-but after “Great Depression” of 1920-40s – (“secret”) groups, organizations, communities sprouted shrank some, but never disappeared), on very small scale, throughout the USA.
During 1970s or 1980s – the government began to pay attention, then took action against these “intra-national currency” systems via tax-codes modification, enforced by the unconstitutional IRS (the existence of which was created concurrently with the unconstitutional “Federal Reserve System” and is nothing but the collection agency of the “Fed” for interest on the debt-money – mistakenly considered to be money).
Bill Still’s main thesis is – it’s not what money is, but who controls the money (whatever form it takes) and secondary – who regulates the controllers -which is the problem with the “Federal Reserve System”. It is unknown – fully – who controls it and it’s clear to most by now – that there is no regulation on those controllers.
TOO MAY PEOPLE JUST LIKE TO RATIONALIZE OUR FUTILITY
To know and not to do
Is not too know
Lincoln’s issuance of greenbacks were unconstitutional:
“The beginning of 1862 found the Union unable to redeem its Demand Notes, which it was using to pay its soldiers, and the value of the notes began to deteriorate. This immediate threat spurred Congress to action. The Constitution did not grant the federal government the power to issue a paper currency, but on February 25, 1862, President Lincoln signed the First Legal Tender Act,[4] which authorized the issuance of United States Notes as a Legal Tender. Initially, the emission was limited to $150,000,000 total face value between the new Legal Tender Notes and the existing Demand Notes. The Act also called for the new notes to be used to replace the Demand Notes as soon as practical. The Demand Notes had been issued in denominations of $5, $10, and $20, and these were replaced by United States Notes nearly identical in appearance on the obverse. In addition, notes of entirely new design were introduced in denominations of $50, $100, $500 and $1000. The Demand Notes’ printed promise of payment “On Demand” was removed and the statement “This Note is a Legal Tender” was added.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_Note
Edison and Ford were international elitists.
Bloody Fuckin Brilliant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYIhc3GyANI
Still report 12
from March 14th (posted March 16th 2010)
I love the way he slaps the water bottle for effect…
(watch them all, or at least the last half dozen, and you’ll understand…)
He seems to have a great grasp of the problems in the Micro and Macro…
Anyone out there care to dismiss what he’s saying?
“”There is an argument for moving towards a multicurrency reserve system in line with the multipolar world, as well as expanding the use of a supranational currency such as the Special Drawing Right.”
The SDR’s value is based on a basket of four key world currencies, currently the euro, yen, sterling and dollar.
The basket composition is reviewed every five years, with the next review coming up in late 2010, and major emerging powers such as China have argued for the inclusion of their currencies in a more-widely used SDR reserve unit.”
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE62H25020100319?type=marketsNews
@paganrongs
MPs suspended amid cash for influence scandal
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkrJdp_joGw
wizard of Oz report website –suspended–wow the powers that be are crapping themselves with this information!
@Bliaboo
I’m watching the Still Reports (excellent guest for MAX BTW)
And he seems to imply that GOLD is okay for MACRO-Economics…
But at the Micro-economic level (i.e. Intra-National) you need to issue your own currency…
very peculiar…
I am still trying to digest what he is saying…
(I’m on SR9)
It’s making some sense, however…
Since we are enveloped by Extra-National currency exchange, then GOLD becomes a reasonable (albeit, not perfect) measure for basing national debts…
Yet I contend, that it is inadequate…
we need something more broad… include the Silver and PGMs at the LEAST…
Holy shit… the Ft. Knox GOLD is 6 pounds underweight per bar ? hahahahah
and that was 1974?
The last time Ft. Knox gold was (roughly) audited ?
(The last real audit was 1957)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDZioD9QfAA
as of November ’09
“…JP Morgan held near $80 trillion of “derivative exposure” – 50 times assets
Goldman Sachs held near $40.5 trillion in “derivatives” – 333 times assets
at the same time … USA GDP – $14 trillion, World GDP – $65 trillion, estimated value of global wealth $200 trillion …
’08, JP Morgan obtained a $25 billion “loan” from US taxpayers, whereupon “it” bought up Bear Sterns at 2 pennies on the dollar, later the assets of Washington Mutual at less than 1 penny on the dollar …”
http://www.youtube.com/user/bstill3#p/u/8/U0I7HJnzBP4
who says banksters don’t make the rules and don’t own the world
I now leave the issue open for debate…
We will still be under the onus of control by the monetary authorities that issue the currency (dollar paper standard), only they will have viable liquidity (new reserve vehicle for global trade) and we will have stories about altruism (founding fathers et.al) and sacrifice (inequality as the root of societal ills) and community (yes we can) and dust (death).
Until the monetary authority is dismantled and no longer in power via G20 proxy .gov, we are only serving the interest of the international elite with the ‘competing currency’ idea.
Wow, a lot of depressing news, especially coming from the US. Max and Stacy, got any room at your place
“Still Reports”;
this is apparently the legitimate Bill Still “youtube channel” (if concerned about intellectual property rights issue)
http://www.youtube.com/user/bstill3
“…gold bugs are our friends. They have correctly identified the problem. They just have that von Mises false solution planted in their brain … History has shown indisputably that gold” has never promoted or supported freedom and never will.
Looks more & more like IMF for Greeks!
Mike
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfr-p-9yP_A Anything & i do mean anything ,cleaner / grunged out musician or otherwise /anything people choose to do with their lives is better or more useful than spending the rest of their lives working in the world of low grade Finance, nothing real about doing that ? buddy Kim from ‘ the Scientists ‘ with ‘ Solid Gold Hell’ . Kim is credited with coining the use of the word ‘grunge ‘ in relation to music and was name listed by kurt cobain as being major influence upon his own music . Kim Salmon with the occasional set by scientists . http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uUdoxs3twqc i have always liked music that was accessible /pub rock , more than music by big name celebrities rock icons , i guess anything for me but spending the rest of my life stuck in the world of low grade Finance.
Bill Still’s “Secret of Oz” was banned by a very large and popular internet seller.
Gee, why would anyone want to ban Still’s work?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezAvMhG4E54&feature=player_embedded#
In this video clip, Bill Still looks into the background of the owner of the very large and popular internet seller and finds that he is a billionaire who once worked on Wall Street and “became a vice president of “Bankers Trust” …one of the first into derivatives market” … etc.
Ah, perhaps a motive for banning his DVD after all.
@William
PS BTW
You should go download the WHOLE Audio book for HUMAN ACTION
by Ludwig Von Mises
if you like that snippet
It’ll only take about 48 hours to listen to it (you could read it faster, though)
make sure you have a dictionary handy, though…
@Y’All
Marlena Shaw – Wade In The Water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8OA9JTuHGw
@William
BTW
The 12 years I “wasted” were actually spent in learning and applying a USEFUL and PRODUCTIVE trade which is more than what most here can say…
so I have no regret in that aspect…
@William
I’ve been studying the Austrian School for the past 6+ Months…
that is one of the reasons I am trying to go to University…
if I am not mistaken, even they propose that “states” issue their own currency…
So …
AM I WRONG?!?!?!
@Y’All
A very cold day in brighton recently myself recently… so I can get to this!!!
The Beach Boys – Don’t Go Near The Water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7cTIYsvJOQk
http://tinyurl.com/yconmh8 (mp3)
What the wizard of Oz points out is the unbelievable level of usury interest within a fractional reserve monetary system.
@ Giusseppi Bag,
http://mises.org/media/4762
You need some Mises, and Austrian economics.
P.S.- Sorry to hear you wasted 12 years pondering that crap.
@Y’All
Ry Cooder and V.M. Bhatt – Ganges Delta Blues.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5jH8VIIEcI
@Phil
I am bored… hehehe
But nevertheless
considering Max’ preponderance towards Gold hegemony,
and my disdain towards it,
and our seemingly divergent solutions to the current financial mayhem (mine being Technocracy and his being GOLD STANDARD)
it might make for an interesting debate…
And The Secret of Oz is NOT the same as Money Masters…
certainly, the first hour of SoOz can be considered a recapitulation of Money Masters, but it is not the CONCLUSION…
The Conclusion is critical…
the concept of Intra-National Currency…
I have had 12+ years to consider this topic… how long has he considered his?
What are the benefits and what are the deterrents to each?
Granted… Perhaps Max has evolved his ideas, but considering his silence on solutions (as opposed to identification of the disorder), I threw out the challenge…
I honestly don’t expect a reply, no more than you do…
but it is a novel thought…
My only request is that it is engaged online, since I would like at least an hour between points to construct a rebuttal…
(after all, I might have employment during that time)
Not like FACE-OFF… where he would clearly trounce me…
after all, I am an amateur economist…
However, the challenge, as I stated, is OPEN FOR DEBATE…
Those for the Gold Standard are welcome to challenge me…
I still say it is NOT a solution… it is a proven failure…
but issuance of intra-national currency is VIABLE…
the only obstacles being assassination of proponents…
Think of it like a stock…
when a company needs CAPITAL, what do they do?
They issue STOCKS, either via flow-through, or options, or a combination with WARRANTS, right?
Now what if that company can issue warrants or options OUTSIDE of the FIAT that its share price is measured?
How does that change the dynamic?
@Phil,..Money/power versus a bullet /financial ruin,..is quite the mindfk,…especially if you’ve a family,…: /
@Dedo … yes , I agree.
Now you know why so many US presidents were murdered, i.e. all those that tried to break the bankster’s power.
The point is really that most politicians these days are not men of character, but weak men who succumb to greed and self-indulgence and therefore become corrupt, like the system they support.
I would also guess that most of them are too dumb to even understand what is going on.
@Phil,.And don’t forget,.there are a lot of newbies come to the site everyday for a browse,..hence the repetition from SG! : /
@richguyswithgold:
I have girl scout cookies. Should I send some?
@Giusseppe Bagodonutti,
As long as I get to issue this “money” it’s a great idea.
(Do you see a problem with your theory yet? Or are you just so addicted to your welfare “food stamps” that you haven’t really thought this out.)
Gold is a store of value. (ie. savings) Dollars and credits can be devalued (inflation- due to over creation), leaving you with a pile of worthless ‘things’, that is supposed to represent your labour.
@Phil,..Nice to have confirmation though,.don’t ya thunk!
LORD OF THIS WORLD
by Black Sabbath
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5DHXoqa3y7A
You think you’re innocent, you’ve nothing to fear,
You don’t know me, you say, but isn’t it clear
You turn to me in all your worldly greed and pride
But will you turn to me when it’s your turn to die…. YEAH…
dedicated to MAX… and all the Gold-Bugs
Oh My,
Banks show how much they care…
http://www.smh.com.au/business/westpac-to-charge-interest-on-interest-20100323-qrwq.html
@Dedo .. OK … parallels to the film are obvious.
Isn’t the film creator the “MoneyMasters” people anyway ?
http://www.themoneymasters.com/mm/the-wonderful-wizard-of-oz/
BTW, the ( English ) Tally Stick … I posted about before “here” over a year ago.
PS@@Giuseppe Bagodonutti …
In fact, it is the very same film .. they seem to have renamed it and vamped it up a bit.
I don’t see hy you are challenging M&S .. I’m sure they are both more than aware of the Money Masters.
If not .. I would be more than shocked !
@Phil,…Yeah, but the connections to the Film were quite revealing (not the occult meaning),..: )
@Giuseppe Bagodonutti … I just watched the SECRET OF OZ video
I would have thought this ( Money Master & Oz etc. ) was common knowledge to most folks posting here !
ie. am rater surprised you have “just” seen it !
I watched the Money Masters ca. over 3 years ago.
There are even (free) German language equivalents** , many of which I have passed around to people.
** basically same story , but different name.
@namarama,..Frances colludes with Rockefeller Philanthropy Advisors in her donations,…
She thinks big !,…: )
http://rockpa.org/
We might be having trouble with our search engines soon.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/8581393.stm
Fund Raising?!
Ha! Those two?
Are they gonna rob someone?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/8580641.stm
@frances:
How much did you donate?
@Mike/Liverpool
Merv King has just announced in that article that GDP is bogus and has no relation to economic activity whatsoever.
Der.
@Y’All
World Water Day – The Story Of Bottled Water.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Se12y9hSOM0
Great links P/G. fibbon.
tnx..
Merv King
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE62L3H720100322
“Below par”
Bit like Pan Am 103 was suddenly below par!
Mike
HOLY FUCK!!!
I just watched the SECRET OF OZ video
by Bill Still
(Thanx again FIBON…)
http://www.theopensource.tv/the-money-masters/the-secret-of-oz-video_82fa50cc4.html
And I wish to issue a challenge to MAX (and Stacy if necessary) to argue the solutions that he makes at the end in regards to the financial system we are under …
I am willing to place fiat currency on it, even…
I believe he is right
back in the late 90′s, I became involved in discussions with a lead Kabbalist from the L.A. institute over the creation of money.
During our discussions I posited that money could be created out of thin-air for the use WITHIN a nation (I called it Intra-National Currency), which in essence could be issued in lieu of welfare, since most all would spend it within a 15km radius… it is obvious… hardly anyone is into Global investment… money just does not generally leave a confined border, from the proletariat’s perspective…
Admittedly, it is not a new idea, in retrospect, but for me, it was novel and unheard of at the time that I thought of it (i.e. I had no understanding of the history of FIAT)
Even I, with my investments, stay within Canada…
And as such, it is in essence, DEBT-FREE CAPITAL…
it is the Greenback…
You don’t need GOLD or Silver or Unobtainium to back it…
Now his argument (the Kabbalist), back then, was “What about OWNERSHIP?”
This inherently goes to Hayek and his concept of SEVERAL PROPERTY…
But, I must ask, what is several property? Outside of LAND and Fixed structures there-upon, it is transitive… it is not for debate, since it has no lasting effect… one’s television has no lasting importance…
It is a consumable… a comestible… You cannot place lasting value (nevermind interest) upon it…
The desire for a gold standard is ludicrous…
it only NARROWS THE SCOPE BY WHICH FINANCE CAN BE MANIPULATED!!!!
If you don’t believe that, then watch how the BIG 4 (or “the club” as Marty Armstrong calls it) controls the PoG…
So… as BONN-ified as I am (at the moment), I wish to challenge Max and Stacy in a debate on HOW to create MONEY for the purposes of circulation…
You two may have touched upon the idea of creating intra-national currency in the past, but I suspect you two do not understand its power for resolving the Wealth-gap or Debt-servitude we are currently engaged in.,.
Think of it as the ULTIMATE FOOD STAMP…
I now leave the issue open for debate…
Dr Bob.
On fire tis week.
You name it, he’s calling it.
http://www.youtube.com/user/NATIANDYOU
You’re welcome for my $250 contribution for last week’s show.
YOU’RE WELCOME FOR MY CONTRIBUTION OF $250 FOR LAST WEEK’S SHOW.
ooof, the brownstuff is hitting the fan in the UK tonight; Dispatches documentary this evening showed UK MPs and ministers offering to lobby for private interests for money….within minutes of the end of the programme they had been suspended as MPs! I’ll post the video when it is uploaded. Dan Hannan is doing his NUT over this!
Frances,…You’re such a show off!! : )
@Fibon. thanks. watched the whole thing .:-)
Sorry, currently donating to way too many charities, mostly for the benefit of the dirt poor. I might have to get an unlisted number to keep the charities away.
Hey I’m working to spread the truth about the filth of the usurious controllers and I don’t ask for donations.
Besides, paper assets are going the way of the Weimark.
http://funy1.blogspot.com/2010/03/finite-irrationality-of-paper-wealth.html
Obama is just paying back all those powers that paid for him to get into power.
There must have been many of them as he managed to raise quite a lot of money for his election campaign.
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2008/10/barack-obama-to.html
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/news/state/mccollum-will-sue-to-overturn-health-care-overhaul-422147.html
Mccollum doesn’t care to increase the state’s share of medicare: 1billion. What happens next?
Crude oil and petrol price to decouple according to Dr Berninger.
Gasoline price inflation.
http://www.youtube.com/user/jberni1
@Dedo:
The list missed absenteeism (as in mentally).
Is is possible that the US stock markets cannot go down(manipulation) because Gold will not drop below 1100 for very long.
)
What would happen if the world stock markets drop and Gold holds its line?
Financial disaster for the fiat currencies.
I dunno, just seems weird to me
Keep stock markets up to make gold not look so good.
See DJI to Gold ratio here…
http://twitpic.com/18zrlt
Well, I can tell you I now have proof of the plan of the energy companies, and it is in line with some ‘conspiracy theories’. In an email send to me by the Desertec loobyist (you can google it) he states that individual alternative energy in each home is undesirable because it means there is less consumption to tax (a wopping 40%) at the moment. Then he says
“If people evade taxes by generating their own energy on a large scale I expect home pv installations to be made illegal”
Seriously, this is the official lobbyist of Desertec
http://www.desertec.org/
So the plan is to stifle local energy generation (if it is up to the energy companies) until this Desertec thing is realized to enable the countries to levy taxes. Why would they? Because they are in debt. To who? The banks and energy companies. How to protect that racket? By lobbying to make home energy production illegal!!
Ditto on that GB,..thanx Fib,…
happy to grease the wheels .. £20
Love in Vain
robert johnson
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W0ks8Crarlg
stones
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nmVW94UWgBg
@FIBON
GRAZIE MILLE for that Secrets of Oz link
I’ve been waiting many moons for that to come out…
and the fact I don’t have to pirate it makes me feel good…
I’d highly recommend it as MANDATORY VIEWING to anyone who has seen the Money Masters vid
lolol just noticed this bet:
Will Lloyd Blainfein, CEO of Goldman Sachs, be canonized by the Pope for doing “God’s work.”
The Pope does not like competition aint going to happen lol
@Y’All
one for the lonely old saddo’s
‘Men who harass women with cat calls and sexual comments are actually harming their whole gender, a study has found’
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE62I0ME20100319
And one especially for the the little posh boys!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7474758/Baby-boys-who-have-a-nanny-turn-into-womanisers.html
@ Phil
The Rothschild article link loses credibility when it claims they control the Reserve bank of China. It also claims the Zimbabwe central bank lol, WTF would they want that for??
ATTN: JIBBER-HEADS!!!
Capitalism made us ‘kinder,’ study says
http://www.timescolonist.com/life/Capitalism+made+kinder+study+says/2702380/story.html
The 13 researchers on Mr. Henrich’s international team spent time — and played clever psychological games — with more than 2,000 people in 15 different societies.
…
In each of the 15 societies they recruited volunteers to play Dictator, Ultimatum and Third-Party Punishment — games widely used by researchers to gauge people’s willingness to share with strangers, and punish people who make unfair allocations.
This study was conducted by anthropologist Joe Henrich of the University of British Columbia
@drunkdrunk
you could get an avatar…. that’s a PICTURE for your COMMENT BOX, think of it like getting out of your old pissy clothes and freshening yourself up a bit for the ladies… just sign up to GRAVATAR, and then upload a pic, if you need any help just ask… I’ll guide you through it like when I showed you how to cut and paste!!!
http://en.gravatar.com/
@Phil/Germany
Wow! The Rothchild’s really get around. They should leave their legs closed.
lol @ ron ron
@ Dedo–love the “isms” link, it may cause a little less repeatisms
@SG. you should open an annoying blog. you have potential.
@Y’All
I noticed lately some of the screenagers have been exhibiting adverse side effects and stuff.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/8576392.stm
@Y’All
hey Maan how ya doin… yeah you how ya doin… is that your laydee sitting with you… she lovely, what a beatiful.. I don’t mean nothin maan, just paying youse RESPECT… hey baby does he ever tell ya what a beautiful laydee youse is… bet he don’t… maan if I had a chick like that I would treat her fine… yeah MAMA how ya doin’ HEY MOMMA… huh, get your butt over here… come and drink some of this wine with me I’ll show you a good time…. tonight I’m gonna give all them hoes a night off… I know them bitches gonna miss me I know there gonna cry, but tonight I’m all yours BABY… HEY come back, come back… huh, I don’t need youse woman I got me my own… a whole street full of ‘em…. fuggin’ FENIMIST…. BUUURRPP!!!
@Phil
LOL Icelands solution: Be a woman about it..Maybe not a bad idea..
The secrets of the Wonderful Wizard of Oz..
http://www.theopensource.tv/the-money-masters/the-secret-of-oz-video_82fa50cc4.html
Here’s a few more for the person who keeps repeating the same old crap,..
http://phrontistery.info/isms.html
Poor poor Iceland
Have some fiat paper…for your resources …please
http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article261038.ece
http://www.grapevine.is/News/ReadArticle/Private-Army-Sets-Sights-on-Iceland
@Palantíri
uhm, maybe even a bit of… ‘I don’t wanna grow up’… yeah the good old days… huh, believe me they weren’t that good… oh yeah and remember, remember… whatsername and, and ooojamaflip I really miss ‘em… yeah they were racists, but nice racists old fashioned racists the kind you could understand!!!
I aint Stupid toe I’d Like ta contribute
Like I said tee fight is out tear not here
Esp after tat nonsense of Some chick got Bulldozzered Who ta f@#k cares
See ta bigger Pic
Hic
£5. Thanks guys.
Hello Max and Stacey!
Have enjoyed your shows and videos for a couple of years now.
The highlight of the day when theres a new “on the edge” or “truth about markets” out =)
10 fiat £ sent for support,, quick transfere it to Au/Ag =)
Love from Sweden
@Bonn – create a new bank account with debit card for internet transactions only. Just deposit the amount you want to donate or the amount all the stuff you want to buy costs each time in order to keep the balance on the account at zero. This to secure you in the unfortunate case of you somehow getting ripped off through a scam or security fault or something like that, at least they won’t get much from you.
By me guesstimates Max n Stacy’s werth anywhere B/w 4 mill and 20 mill
lololololol
Hic
Wait max sold a couple of companys hmmm 40 mill maybe
Just Speculatin
I know Max hates Speculaters
Donated some worthless U.S. dollars.
@SuperGeek – good old days or: I want to be young again . . .
did you receive my blessings?
I would use me card but me a N/w Security Engineer
Is it Secure ?? I have never used me card on line
Hic ;-(
@Y’All
oh yeah, the good old days when being white and rich meant something!!!
@Danny. quite a surprise.
DRUM ROLL PLEASE……
Health-Care Stocks Up After House OK’s Overhaul
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-market-news-story.aspx?storyid=201003221132dowjonesdjonline000249&title=at-a-glancehealth-care-stocks-up-after-house-oks-overhaul
(dog barks….)
@ronron .. Video : “Perhaps Germany should become a little more Greek”
LOL … most of them are already here anyway !
ALCOA / Iceland / US Weapons Industry / Jon Perkins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCx_wPbUJhE
Wonder what the Der Keiser thinks about these emergent local currencies the BBC’s giving some lipservice to these days
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/8261263.stm
@P/G. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=THSqUtX6Jvg
Russia’s Gold Reserves Jump Again in February
http://truthingold.blogspot.com/2010/03/russias-gold-reserves-jump-again-in.html
Bank For International Settlements (BIS): How The Rothschilds Control And Dictate To The World
http://thatsjustplumdumb.com/index.php/2010/03/bank-for-international-settlements-bis-how-the-rothschilds-control-and-dictate-to-the-world/
Be happy to chip in, after the £ crashes!
Mike
Agh should be more; I dont have credit or debit cards…maybe i should get into farmville online currency.
Donated a bit of euros.