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Fascinating:
“Jim O’Neill, head of global economics for investment bank Goldman Sachs, who has publically questioned the continued assumption that the Chinese yuan is undervalued against the US dollar, writes in his chapter of two possible extreme scenarios. Either the yuan ends up as one of three freely floating currencies that serve as the lynchpins of a multicurrency reserve system, or the SDR becomes the global reserve currency in a system characterised by restricted capital flows and closely controlled currency valuations against the SDR.
Overall the report editors opt for the former of O’Neill’s scenarios, recommending in the executive summary “a multicurrency reserve system for a multipolar world economy.” The UN Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD) prefers the latter solution. In a March policy brief titled Global monetary chaos, UNCTAD calls for a multilateral response rather than “to leave currencies to the vagaries of the market” and allow currency speculation. It proposes a “constant real exchange rate rule”, implying globally fixed exchange rates.”
http://www.brettonwoodsproject.org/art-566113
“Global monetary chaos:
Systemic failures need bold
multilateral responses”
http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/presspb20102_en.pdf
“To avoid the fight for market shares through manipulation of the exchange rate, wage rates, taxes or subsidies and to prevent financial markets from driving the competitive positions of nations into the wrong direction, a new code of conduct is needed regarding the overall competitiveness of nations. Such a code of conduct would have to balance the advantages of one country against the disadvantages of other directly or indirectly affected countries. For example, the effect of changes in the nominal exchange rate deviating from the fundamentals (inflation differentials) on trade balances is not much different from that of tariffs and export bounties. Consequently, such real exchange rate changes have to be subject of multilateral oversight, negotiations and decision-making. Only if such rules apply, can all trading parties avoid unjustified overall loss or gains of competitiveness and developing countries can systematically prevent the trap of overvaluation that has been one of the most important impediments to prosperity in the past.”
http://www.unctad.org/en/docs/gds20091_en.pdf
Unctad calling for international clearing union under the guise of ‘multilateral regulation’ of sovereign exchange rates. The system will be a species of new hegemony which will untie the trade currency system from domestic exchange. It WILL NOT represent any sort of multilateral approach: it will be more bloated bureaucratic lipsync rewarding the same criminal elite families that are crashing the old system.
“UNCTAD proposes new multilateral regime to stave off currency speculation….
At the meeting, Mr. Flassbeck said it was essential to examine this problem from a broader perspective – namely that under the current system, some countries were not allowed to “print unlimited amounts of money” or run large budget deficits without causing their currency to “fall down a very deep hole.” This represented a fundamental asymmetry in the global economy that was in no one’s interest. In effect, countries who are the victims of currency speculation, or “carry-trade” (portfolio investments based on borrowing in low-yielding currencies and investing in high-yielding ones) are forced to take “pro-cyclical” measures (such as interest rate hikes or public budget cuts or freezes) that aggravate the crisis in the real economy in order to reassure international currency speculators. This perverse phenomenon underlined the importance of UNCTAD’s proposal to develop a multilateral framework for an automatic stabilization of real exchange rates that would defeat the purpose of any speculative attack on a currency. This would enable all countries to regain the policy space needed to act in the interest of the real economy and avoid “beggar-thy-neighbour” policies or “devaluation wars” reminiscent of the 1930s.
While this proposal deals with the realm of finance – instituting new rules to manage exchange rates – it is intimately related to a primary factor affecting trade relations. At another side event organized by the Center of Concern on linkage between trade and finance to promote development on 29 November, Mr. Flassbeck said that: “To believe that any breakthrough in the Doha Round of trade negotiations can play a significant role in dealing with the crisis is to live in a world of fiction.” The enormous gyrations in exchange rate volatility due to the crisis and years of currency speculation, he said, are having a much more profound effect on trade flows than any tariff cuts that would result from conclusion of the Doha Round. “Yet no one is seriously addressing the need for an effective multilateral approach to orderly exchange rate management.”
http://www.un-ngls.org/spip.php?page=article_s&id_article=670
“The technical modalities of the proposal will be detailed in the report of the UNCTAD Task Force on Systemic Issues and Economic Cooperation to be released in February 2009. In a nutshell, the system would work as follows: when a country faces a devaluation attack, the monetary authorities of the revaluing currency would automatically stave off the attack by a symmetrical intervention to stop the “undershooting” with its own currency, which is available in unlimited amounts: it can be printed. Nominal exchange rate changes would be readjusted periodically by governments, not markets – which contrary to neo-classical theory have empirically been proven not to be able to get “the price right.” These adjustments would be based on the objective criterion of changes in Purchasing Power Parity, or “inflation differentials.” Unlike the Post-World War II Bretton Woods system of fixed exchange rates (which was based on the US dollar and collapsed in 1970s), the value of each currency would be anchored to a new artificial global currency based on a basket of currency values, like the European “ECU” was used in Europe prior to Monetary Union.”
@ Giuseppe Bagodonutti
Sadly the war of attrition has been fought by the banksters against the people for decades. Look at wealth distribution in the US. Same with the average CEO pay versus average employee pay.
Even Warren Buffet said it: “It’s class warfare, my class is winning, but they shouldn’t be.”
So now is the time to fight back. One element at a time, one choice and one action at a time. The corruption can be stopped and the criminals can and should be punished. One charge at a time.
It’s about time too. Cuz I’m tired of doing the “Jump down turn around pick a bale a cotton” for the man.
can someone tell me WHY the people just don’t take everything from the wealthy elite who got us in this mess rather than hand over their souls and resources to the IMFwho are the wealthy elite who got us in this mess?
Look it doesn’t matter who you are, you don’t get to take it with you when you go.
If you’re a member of a nation that helped to make you wealthy and that nation is feeling the pitch, mostly from your ilk, it’s call a rainy day and guess what!
@Youri
Awesome info…thanks…this was my favourite.
http://dealbreaker.com/2010/04/new-rules-for-appearing-on-cnbc/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dealbreaker+%28Dealbreaker%29
With this and the Goldman law suit it looks like the curtain is slowly being drawn to reveal the the puppet master.
Listen,
If you were to go after Goldmung for ALL of their deviant pursuits at once, you would have a case so obfuscated and obese that NOTHING would get settled for DECADES…
in attacking a behemoth like this, your attacks need to be sharp and to the point…
then when one is settled, launch another attack…
the correct term in this case is war of attrition
IF this initial charge is successful, look for more charges to keep rolling out, one by one…
but don’t be so blind to the grand strategy in your desire for retribution…
Think about how classical warfare is engaged, and you’ll understand what I am talking about
g7enn
ditto
a blind man in a dark room can see that black cat
its so obvious
but most americans love there koolaid
so ijust sit and wait
untill they find out they drank happyily there own poison
got gold heeey yaaaa
Half of Tory campaign money comes from City of London financial interests. Stanley Fink the Godfather of UK hedge funds is the biggest donor to the Tories. Is there any UK government either Labour or Tory that the city hasn’t had a stranglehold over? It seems like the Cameron government will be even more dominated by London bankers than the past governments. I’m betting on a Cameron win.
S.Herbert,
AS LONG THE USA KEEPS MOMENTUM ON THE OIL,GOLD ETC
they live! That is live.
Oil is like Water ENOUGH!
More than you can handle
Why do people die?
Because we all live in a matrix full of shit.
Is Obama’s Administration pursuit of Goldman Sachs a cover-up?
UNITED STATES of America – It can now be reported that the SEC (Securities Exchange Commission) is actually involved in a massive cover up and an obstruction of justice scheme involving the civil charges, not criminal charges, made against the noted brokerage firm and bank, Goldman Sachs.
The civil action brought against Goldman Sachs completely ignores the criminal money laundry, counterfeit scheme and electronic front running tied to Goldman’s oversees hedge fund operation aka Paulson and Associates.
John Paulson, who ran this hedge fund on behalf of Goldman Sachs, was the mastermind in the back ending aka short selling of the mortgage-backed securities, which are now commonly known as “toxic derivatives”, that helped wreck the U.S. economy and bring the entire world banking system to its knees.
Translation: These mortgage-backed securities were sold to unsuspecting customers of Goldman Sachs, who received large cash proceeds from the sale, while Goldman Sachs’ hedge fund, Paulson and Associates, shorted the same financial instruments in their oversees fund and raked in billions of dollars on the backs of unsuspecting customers.
There is a massive tie-in to all of these TAXPAYERS ‘bail outs’ of Merrill Lynch, Bank of America and Citibank, who all engaged in the same criminal activity.
John Paulson, the REAL crook in this Goldman Sachs operation, has actually been given immunity from prosecution by the Obama Justice Department and the SEC in return for his alleged cooperation in this inquiry.
People like John Paulson, former Bush Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson, Obama Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner, former Citibank CEO Robert Rubin, former Federal Reserve Chairman Alan Greenspan, and J.P. Morgan CEO Jamie Dimon, as well as Goldman Sachs, will get to keep most of their STOLEN money while Goldman Sachs will be used as a temporary patsy, pay a small civil fine, continue to conduct their nefarious business as usual all offshore, and then write off the civil fine that will be levied against them in a plea bargain and deduct the fine with the IRS as a tax write off.
The real purpose of this Obama Administration “kabuki dance” with Goldman Sachs is to cover up the activity of these criminal offshore hedge funds and their tie in to none other than the Bernard Madoff Ponzi Scheme.
We can now divulge that the Goldman Sachs hedge fund run by John Paulson was used as a money laundry for not only the cash proceeds of the sell of the toxic derivatives, but also used to launder the proceeds from the Bernard Madoff Ponzi Scheme also involving Stephen Friedman’s Federal Reserve Bank of New York.
The Goldman hedge fund, along with the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, moved all of these stolen funds to secret Bush-Clinton Crime Family Syndicate accounts aka sub-trust accounts to India, Pakistan, China as well as the state of Israel with current Prime Minister Benyamin Netanyahu operating as bagman.
As we have reported in previous intelligence briefings, Bernard Madoff Ponzi Scheme clients like editor of U.S. News and World Report, Morton Zuckerman, and CNN’s Larry King, and FOX News owner Rupert Murdoch, actually traveled to Israel to retrieve their investments that they had lost with Bernard Madoff.
Note: The Obama Justice Department is sitting on TWENTY-FIVE (25) criminal referrals tied to the former BushFRAUD Administration, SEC Chairman Christopher Cox and the Bernard Madoff Ponzi Scheme.
http://blogs.myspace.com/tom_heneghan_intel
Wow… The Jim Cramer insult vid was funny…
“the markets aren’t rigged” Cramer didn’t even know he was being insulted, but that damn Erin jumped in and defended him, which alerted him to what was going on…
Meanwhile…
Goldmung Sucks is now facing Max’ TRUTH-METER of JUSTICE in Britain and Germany…
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aE82mhgRJDdI
Let’s face facts the US, UK, Italy, Greece, Portugal, Spain and Ireland are bankrupt and so is most of Eastern Europe.
@MeP:
Sure nuff? Shucks, that’s purely sweet. I be very glad. My name done come down frum the Foundin’ Fathers, sure nuff.
cleetus
with a c
Perfect Poison
“Before you conclude that a VAT is the answer to all our fiscal problems, consider some facts. “Greece collapsed in spite of a 19 percent VAT adopted in 2005,” says Veronique de Rugy, a senior research fellow at the Mercatus Center at George Mason University in Arlington, Virginia. The additional revenue from the VAT did nothing to address Greece’s indebtedness.”
http://www.businessweek.com/news/2010-04-15/u-s-consumption-tax-is-tempting-vat-of-poison-caroline-baum.html
@ frances – LOL! If it’s true that it should start hearing within a few weeks, I bet that throughout its life, it’s going to have a strange fondness for the name Cletus!
guest suggestion:
Barry Ritholtz
CEO of FusionIQ
author of Bailout Nation
Mep!!!
Would a shakedown of the French people lead to a round of banksternapping in France?
@ frances – We’ve nicknamed the fetus Cletus the fetus.
Sunday quote.. Success is the ability to go from one failure to another with no loss of enthusiasm.
@Stacy
I think there is a relationship between a societies wealth disparity and the efficiency of the civil servants. More equality means less corruption but also a large body of servants..Less equality means less servants but more corruption and perhaps whole useless departments because (f.i. homeland security)…
2004: World Bank recommendations VAT:
http://www.financialexpress.com/news/states-need-to-implement-vat-hike-professional-tax-world-bank/121304/
At least 65% of the Canadian population has Vitamin D levels that are too low:
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/The_National/ID=1449306899
Nova Scotia, Mississippi of the North:
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/The_National/ID=1442670874
Canada not so hot on the protection of plastic Credit and Debit cards:
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/The_National/ID=1438500759
speaking of tax…
Here’s Peter Schiff selling the VAT and calling it ‘consumption tax’ and relaying it’s fair for poor people to replace VAT for the income tax gradient system:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4KfVM5Ed3c&feature=player_embedded#!
Doesn’t the World Bank get a cut of VAT?
Tea Party Candidate Peter Schiff neglects to mention this.
@Marc Authier – taxes here don’t seem especially higher than US; plus you get a whole lot more for it; what is high is the level of bureaucracy; they could easily slash that by 50% to take to US levels; or 75% and take it to about UK levels
Never can find on the CIA site how much they take as a cut for cocaine and heroin ? Wonder why ? Interesting. The problem with France is that the country has no more room for higher taxation. Consequently the logical step will be effectively very painful cutting of budgets. France is anyways horribly overgoverned and overadministered. A crisis would do them a lot of good.
A happy Sunday video. All hail beautiful people and their beautiful music.
Current Account Balance :
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2187rank.html
http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2010/01/index.htm
The average price for a house in Vancouver is 1 M CAD :
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/The_National/ID=1463004374
It’s daft, but its got to crash eventually.
Major cause : Mainland Chinese immigrants, sort of an echo of the HK immigration wave before 1997.
Marc:
I just happened to have this little chart handy:
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/rankorder/2186rank.html
UK’s Brown wants investigation into Goldman Sachs
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSLDE63H0AA20100418?type=marketsNews
This just keeps getting better and better …no? I think they have decided to let Goldman go….and use that to suggest that they solved the problem.
CBC National of CAD parity with USD :
http://www.cbc.ca/video/#/Shows/The_National/ID=1469234849
France is on the menu. Las week the banksters terrorists wanted to eat some souvlaki, And this week they want “un filet mignon”. Sarkozy used to praise in the past the “fantastic” “innovations” and “dynamism” of anglo-saxon capitalism. Cher Sarkozy, (which I hate because he’s a puppet of BNP Paribas and the US State Department), you are about to eat your medecine and a lot of Alpo dog food. Saveur du jour. And next week we are eating pasta !
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by Howard_Beale
on Sun, 04/18/2010 – 00:37
#306363
So what is the acronym now? FIPIGS? GIIPFS? IF PIGS COULD FLY? IF PIGS works for me. If we add in Austria, then AS IF, PIG?, with an undertone from the movie Clueless.
Then we have GASP IF–very hard and authoritative with the gasp if you have a last breath. But we could also get GAFIGS, with the A from Austria in the ahh category, almost close enough to GOFIGS but not quite.
I’d like to spin the wheel, Pat. No more vowels, Vanna. Romania would give us GROFIGS–Ahrnold could us it as a California slogan.
If there be airy hot chicks a’readin’ this here is me: Cleetus with a C:
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2311/2220213673_2975919621.jpg
Just wait: I’ll find ya fur sure. Leave a message….Shoot… Gotta scoot, Steller’s back.
“Frances Snoot works fot the CIA”
Yoohoo. Ma, come quick!
What are ya yammerin’ bout, Cleetus?!
Steller works for the CIA. She has a code name: Snoot.
That’s purely stupid, Cleetus. Who’d what that airy-head a’workin’ fur em? She ain’t even got that cleanin’ job down to the new folks at Crackerbend.
But, Ma. Maybe that cuz Steller is just pretendin’ to be readin’ when she’s really sendin’ codes to them agents. I read ’bout that on the internetz.
Cleetus, since when ya doin’ any readin?
I read, Ma. I say we gotta lock Steller up in the shed and make-her-tawlk.
She’ll just clam up like a turtle, Cleetus. Leave Stella lone. She don’t look hardly able to hurt a fly.
Well, I’m a’keepin my eye on thangs. Ya can’t nary tell, Ma.
The standard Snoot is zero.
“Paper always returns to its intrinsic value, that is to say, zero.” Voltaire.
@Mother Earth
Love your neologism “International vomitombs” Super !
Nobody saw it coming, Marc.
The Endgame. (dollar-paper-standard-that-is)
Strange. Is the UK is paradise I presume ? And Ireland ? Frances Snoot works fot the CIA
In reality Frances it doesn’t make a lot of difference that CDS speculation is going on. Why this sudden jump from the PIIGS to France ?
I sense a coup fourré from the anglo-saxon mafia in Londonium Parasitum Scrofulum. Not new. Anyways in the case of France or United Kingdumd it is well desserved. Great distraction of what is going on in United Slaves of America Ponziland Numéro Uno and United Kingdumb Ponziland Numéro Duo.
Conclusion, everybody is in real deep shit and all ships are sinking.
No place to hide from the debt prison.
WSJ
Tragic Flaw: Graft Feeds Greek Crisis
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303828304575179921909783864.html?mod=rss_Today's_Most_Popular
google: Tragic Flaw: Graft Feeds Greek Crisis
Future hymn of the US:
http://www.musicanet.org/robokopp/usa/ogivemea.htm
Well, since I’m guilty…
Are we looking at the US debt in the context of the dollar/reserve system or the sdr/reserve (multilateral reserve) system? What about the dollar value trade index? Aren’t some countries more favored by their inclusion within the sdr basket? Do the capital flows favor insider knowledge (ie. traders aren’t stupid).
Is a US default possible? What regional makeup is being sought for the Euro currency? Is there a realignment of currencies coming (Chapman indicated yes).
When do we hear about the international clearing union? What context will the euro hold within the new system? The ECB?
@snoot – re: external debt, the US can ‘afford’ to have more than France as ALL of US external debt is denominated in dollars; the external French debts will be in currencies they have to earn (which includes the euro, unless they can get the Germans at the ECB to print some more for them)
What about total external debt? France rates poorly, but the US is king:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_external_debt
@Bonn – tatsa great Fisherman story you toll!
how to reconcile?
John Kenneth Galbraith:
Economics is a subject profoundly conducive to cliche, resonant with boredom. On few topics is an American audience so practiced in turning off its ears and minds. And none can say that the response is ill advised.
Humor is richly rewarding to the person who employs it. It has some value in gaining and holding attention, but it has no persuasive value at all.
Stacy:
LOL!
Heads must roll
Blankfein has to go to save Goldman
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/business/heads_must_roll_HkY7chfiBnGY6KBpZBV7nL
Faced with the choice between changing one’s mind and proving that there is no need to do so, almost everyone gets busy on the proof.
John Kenneth Galbraith
http://www.kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/Broadcast_Gold+/Entries/2010/4/17_Ted_Butler_on_the_Metals_Market_files/Metals%20Wrap%20Ted%20Butler%204%3A17%3A2010.mp3
Iceland strikes back!
http://www.mardaletimes.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=166&Itemid=1
Mike
Janet Tavakoli: Goldman’s Fraud Case Could Have ‘Massive Implications’ If It’s ‘Done Right’ (VIDEO) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/17/janet-tavakoli-goldmans-f_n_541443.html
Jim Cramer Insulted By Sylvian Raynes On CNBC, Erin Burnett Kicks Raynes Off Show (VIDEO) http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/17/jim-cramer-insulted-by-sy_n_541659.html
The Mad Max Scenario: How To Survive The Apocalypse: Some Things You Need To Know Before The World Ends http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/04/17/how-to-survive-the-apocal_n_540940.html#s81886
A DEFLATIONARY IMPULSE WOULD BE A CATALYST FOR GOLD STOCKS http://pragcap.com/a-deflationary-impulse-would-be-a-catalyst-for-gold-stocks
Europe M3 Continues Downfall : Monetary aggregate M3 http://sdw.ecb.int/home.do?chart=t1.2 While Inflation seems still to go up http://sdw.ecb.int/home.do?chart=t1.1
Scientists discover why multitasking is so difficult http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/science-news/7594996/Scientists-discover-why-multitasking-is-so-difficult.html
Scientists discover that Neanderthals hated Brussel sprouts http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/evolution/6019200/Scientists-discover-that-Neanderthals-hated-Brussel-sprouts.html
Robonaut 2: Nasa develops robot ‘that looks like Top Gear’s The Stig’ http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/space/7599810/Robonaut-2-Nasa-develops-robot-that-looks-like-Top-Gears-The-Stig.html
Climategate: a scandal that won’t go away http://www.telegraph.co.uk/comment/columnists/christopherbooker/7601929/Climategate-a-scandal-that-wont-go-away.html
http://www.mbhs.edu/~bconnell/cgi-bin/anagram.cgi
Man ya get everytin on ta net tis is an anagram generator
IF PIGS
can Fly so will Europe
lolololololoool
ROFL
Hic
FIIGS..?
Listen to Webster Tarpleys World Crises Radio 17 April 2010 MP3: http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/
I tink Goldman sachs has Christmas Every Quarter
Goldman Sachs faces $4bn profit row
Goldman Sachs is to announce first-quarter profits of nearly $4bn (£2.6bn) this week – a rise of 50pc on the same period last year – creating fresh controversy for the investment bank which was accused of fraudulent activity on Friday
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/newsbysector/banksandfinance/7602217/Goldman-Sachs-faces-4bn-profit-row.html
How convenient to target John Paulson..You can confiscate his gold..
despite our “vibrant media culture” – took so long to stage such an event. The actual discourse was also stymied by all those rules. An audience that “isn’t allowed” to clap when it agrees with what someone has said e_SEnD what kind of public debate is that?
Whaaa WTF oh well I will never understand ya caucasians
Hope tee French Unions are Strong and remain Strong
Germany to Weigh Action on Goldman (WJS) http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704246804575190313847540680.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLTopStories
Stacy
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/liamhalligan/7601633/Televised-debate-made-history-but-what-about-the-herd-of-elephants-in-the-room.html
WOW!
Mike
An other interesting Zero Hedge post: Step Aside Roubini – FX Concepts’ John Taylor Is The New Dr. Doom:
“2011 Will Be Worse Than 2008″
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/step-aside-roubini-fx-concepts-john-taylor-new-dr-doom-2011-will-be-worse-2008
Wallstreet CDSs..who cares..Big banks are not longer national treasure, they are international vomitbombs…Even if two bankers completely evicerate each others banks they go home with millions, so why should they not play that game under the terror stricken eyes of the general population. Arrest the psychopaths..
When I see Fishermen in Countrys like Tunisia and otter countrys like tat
I tinks to me self
Man Tat Fisherman dont use a Motor he rows his way out tear
A ) he doesnt need oil
B ) he’s in good freakin shape & Excersisein everyday would probably start blinking wit confusion if ya tried to sell him Life Insurance
C ) makes 4 – 10 dollars a Day while having a High Protien Diet
Hes already got what we tryin to achieve in Urban Dwellings
I sometimes tink we ta crazys lololololololol
Life is actually free ;-> we make it complicated & way too costly
Who was it I tink it was Chapman or someone he said Oil was traded 27 times before it reached ta End Customer 27 times !!!!!!!!
Ta whole world is upside down
lolololololol
ROFL
Hic -)
unos
France now ???
Why dont tey name EU the John
Tis is what happens when ya put all yer Eggs in one Basket
is Eggs or apples
Oh well
lolol
Hic