Stacy Summary: I’ve been asked by a user of the site to remain silent on Israeli crimes for fear of dragging out the usual cast of ignorant, neanderthal nazis (half of whom I know are paid to be so). I believe it is exactly this silence for fear of the neanderthals (faux and real), however, that has resulted in this shocking impunity. So, please note, that ignorant f*%ks and provocateurs will be banned forever from commenting on this site. If you want freedom to speak your ignorance freely, then go create your own site where you can drag your knuckles freely. For others, this is a jibber jabber thread and a place to post links to news items as and when new information emerges about what has happened with this flotilla in international waters off Gaza. **UPDATE** – Did Twitter censor the #flotilla hashtag following the Israel attack? **UPDATE** – Nato ally, Turkey, threatens action ** UPDATE ** Turkey tries to invoke mutual defense doctrine, according to Faisal Islam Mutual defense doctrine here, Articles 5 & 6.1
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Off topic jibber jabber — Goldman Sachs comes out for SDR
:Big banks too see the rgument strengthening. “Providing more SDR assets would spread out the gains from seigniorage more broadly and also reduce the structural risks associated with requiring the US to pump out more dollar assets for the still-growing stock of overall reserves,” Goldman Sachs said last week.:
http://www.businessworld.in/bw/2010_06_02_SupraNational_SDR_Reserves_Plan_Gains_Momentum.html
Isreali politics is contolled by Rotchild dynasty advancement. Egypt must also not be ignored as being complicent in the detention and slavery of innocent palestinains….. Example Rafah border crossing , which is closed 90% of the time.
Han Solovitz shot first.
American reportedly one of the 10 killed on the ships.
American MSM doesn’t mention this.
Dead in the Water: BBC video report:
During the Six-Day War, Israel attacked and nearly sank the USS Liberty belonging to its closest ally, the USA. Thirty-four American servicemen were killed in the two-hour assault by Israeli warplanes and torpedo boats.
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5073.htm
Whet y’all doin’ sittin’ thare a’starin’ at that hawnd dawg fur, Stella?
I’m waitin’ fur his lucid moment, Cleetus.
Waahl, Y’all be a’waitin fur some time yet. That’s a dawg.
I know. I know. But he used to have a human name. Harry W! W fur
‘whatever’ and Harry fur hairy.
Yep.
What’d-we name him, Cleetus?
Shrimp.
Shrimp?!
Yep.
That’s an odd name fur a hawnd dawg, Cleetus. Shrimp! S-i-t, Shrimp. S-I-T!
WOOOOOF WOOOOF AAAWWOOOOOOO AAAAWWOOOOO
He don’t mind much, do he, Cleetus?
Nope.
What air good is a hawnd dawg that ain’t got the sense to mind?
Well, he sure do have purty ears. And his nose is bent nicely to the ground. Done run over them ears a’sniffin’ thangs.
You keep him, Cleetus.
I don’t a’want him.
Well, I don’t either!
You named him! You feed him! You best get used to the ideedee.
Shrimp! Fetch. F-E-T-C-H!
AWOOOOOOOOO AWOOOOOOOOO AWOOOF
Useless dawg, Cleetus.
Yep.
@ Geophysics
Who the hell are you to call me “friend”?? I do not have a stupid firend like you. My nickname indicates poeple like you who are anti-understanding.
@ frances,
I thought you were just cobbling together a bunch of propaganda sources (RFE, INN, WorldBank blog) to make a series of vague insinuations unsupported by any evidence. Now they’re napalmed to a crisp, you’re suggesting a different rationale for them.
If I see any worthwhile political or economic content, I do try to respond to that. If I just see a string of unsubstantiated propaganda points, as Ingrid produced, or incoherent insinuations based on your suspicions, I point that out. If I have the time or inclination I’ll rip it to shreds too, pointing out why it’s propaganda or paranoid rambling.
It should be quite easy to respond to that line of argument, if the points can be substantiated with fact. If not, then get better debating points, come up with more coherent politics or economics.
How does one determine if a news outlet has “the vested interests of the IMF … at the forefront”? The IMF tends to concern itself with international finance and more than media, it’s a vehicle for exercising the influence of it’s leading member states.
Thanks for the personal growth opportunity, try to base it on better source material next time.
Well done Stacy! Linking to Juan Cole! You’re obviously on the right side of this issue. I think you guys just separated yourself from the fools at Zero Hedge. I once read them daily. Now, because of their reaction to this event, I am questioning their judgment on EVERYTHING.
Imagine being ZH and suddenly running Likud arguments up the flagpole. It was jarring. It changed everything for me. Now, I don’t trust their ability to discern and use critical thinking for their OTHER articles.
I wish you had an easier comment forum, I think you’d get a lot more business! I know a lot of people are done with ZH after this crack in their “red pill, blue pill” theme.
Israel launches a nuke at Iran and it’ll be signing its own death warrant. They’re not that dumb are they?
So many new posters. Kinda proves the point WRT paid trolls and their incessant cheerleading for Israel.
USS Liberty. Lavon Affair.
By deception we wage war = Cowardice.
Looks like the bs coming from PMSing people who are not able to understand what is going on, slows down.
Stacy, please, stop opening topics if you are biased or do not understand the situation completely. It will only serve you the best.
Warm regards.
im sorry for your deep fear. Having gone through the horrors of such etreme abuse any nation would be very scared. sometimes fear creates an overreaction
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It has nothing to do with overreaction. It is a legitimate response to the illegitimate behavior. Sanctions against Gaza is legal and internationally approved. The attempt of break the international law is a crime and must be punished.
Since the people on the ship did not comply with the order and attacked Israeli military with knifes and metal pipes ( 4 other ships complied without resistance), opening fire is an action of self defense.
So stop PMSing people, just use your brain to analyze the situation.
Turkey should be thrown out of NATO. Its president is completely anti-Western and hardcore muslim. He is no difference that the notorious president of Iran.
geophysics
im sorry for your deep fear. Having gone through the horrors of such etreme abuse any nation would be very scared. sometimes fear creates an overreaction, this seems to be the case for these young soldiers. i noticed the typing error and you said ‘young worriers’ instead of ‘warriors’.To scare the ordinary people of Isreal any further woul be a mistake leading to perhaps unthinkable consequences.
Many, many people in today’s world have no wish to harm you or your brothers and sisters. Please be careful to not allow anxiety to create an overreaction.
Dont worry aura, hold your nerve. As evidenced in quite a lot of these posts there is a huge and understandable fear among ordinary israeli citizens which gives rise to these overreactions. By mistake i’m sure, i received an email from a shadow labour minister about this flotilla last friday here in ireland. it was addressed to someone else but ended up in my account. there is nothing sinister in this. the names involved are just well known human rights people, whose mission is food and medicine to many parts of the world. also watching elections as observers. This is just an overreaction by israeli forces and general media like to hype tings up so we get scared and keep watching the news. (back to strong emotion). that said political and fiscal forces like to piggyback on to these happenings for their own ends in an opportunistic manner.
E.g. in January 1972 a human rights march in the Bogside in Derry was gunned down, people were killed and injured by British troops who were teenagers and frightened and overreacted. Political establishment and extremists alike hijacked this event and the bloodshed went on for 25 years. see it for what it ids and watch for fiscal austerities and other stuff of that ilk to be implemented while our emotions are distracting us on this matter.
The thing that puzzles me about this is that Israel has being murdering innocent Palestinians and whoever else they want with impunity since the state was formed – its business as usual for them. That’s why I am at a loss now as to this hue and cry, which is ten decades overdue. For example, Max has been outing the Zionists for years along with countless others, yet suddenly this incident, that quite frankly seems staged, proves to be the nail that breaks the camel’s back. The IDF is even contributing to their own condemnation by releasing IDF footage of the night time raid. They don’t have a good relationship with Barry Obama, that’s for sure, and the Zionists have their nuclear subs off the coast of Iran. This may simply be a staged event to allow certain world powers to distance themselves from Israel in advance of an IDF attack on Iran, giving the west plausible deniability. Or maybe the world knows Israel plans to attack Iran and just want to distance themselves from that attack and is using this incident to do it. Something doesn’t add up. Lebanon got bombed to smithereens by Israel and the outcry wasn’t nearly as intense as with this incident. Something is rotten in Denmark. This may be a precursor to a must nastier scenario on the horizon. Things are becoming totally unglued now in the world to such a degree that its really getting frightening.
Nobody, hi, friend!
I like your nick name. You identified yourself You are just pure NOBODY, NOTHING, NONE!
Our love and prayers for speedy recovery of 2 Israeli worriers who responded to the vicious attack of illegal bustards.
Strong emotions are not terribly reliable. they seem to cause the actions that bring asbout much of the suffering in our fiscal, geopolitical world. I speak from the exprience of living through 25 years of tit for tat violence in N Ireland. ther were and are genuine concers but fear, anxiety and revenge got replaced by a weariness and sickness with bloody war by the orinary people of all communities. Even the IRA COs and members whom i worked with as a music teacher in Portlaoise Prison were very tired. After the ceasefire and the Good Friday agreement such a weight lifted off us all. We honestly never thought we’d see the day. Getting past the strong emotion and meeting the real concerns of the people for equal opportunity, human respect was key. Now we realise we are under the thumb of bankers and an elite-so what was all the bereavement for? now i am unafraid, everthing is crumbling and i think it’s a good thing.Something more compassionate will arise.
PS Lay off Stacy! Without her Max’s show would never air and i know he’d be the first to admit it.Extremist hatred of any kind serves as a dense ashcloud obfuscating the truth.
I’m asking, Harry, why Turkey is on such an altruistic bent.
@harry:
I was being bombastic to draw your ire: it is a relatively easy assignment when anyone disagrees with your personal line of perspective. You throw napalm on discussions through your ad hominen attacks on other people: declaring the two p’s (propaganda and paranoid) as especial traits in those you disagree with.
One could actually find it extremely hard to find a news outlet (other than this one) in which open dialogue is encouraged and in which the vested interests of the IMF are not at the forefront.
Real intelligence is marked by humility, Harry. I made the mistake of assigning the trait of intelligence to you once, but your lack of humility more than erases any residual spark of whit.
stacy – the deep lack of compassion and simple kind heartedness for the reasons of religion, ideology, defense, market share has always struck me. i’ve always been attracted to the great compassion that you and max bring to your shows – th voice you give to the unheard and unhearable – the scathing humour you show to the greedy game riggers that points up so clearly that these people are wearing the last desperate vestiges of ‘the kings new clothes’. Thank you both for that. IT IS WORTH REMEMBERING Y’ALL OUT THERE ON WWW LAND THAT STACY AND MAX ARE WEALTHY PEOPLE AND DONT HAVE TO PUT THEIR ENERGY AND EFFORT I NTO THIS WEBSITE OR TV PROGRAMMES.
nobody
you speak the truth.
@ frances,
It’s rather unlikely, and the article you linked offers no support for the idea. Are you suggesting that Turkey is running arms to Hamas? Or just throwing the idea out there as a smear by implication? Given the maritime theme, nail your colours to the mast.
Anyone knows that Radio Free Euriope/Radio Liberty is a propaganda organ of the United States.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Free_Europe/Radio_Liberty
Again, your link offers no evidence to support the implied accusation in your questions. It’s just about Merkel visiting Turkey and Turkey’s attitude towards the EU. I’d already mentioned that issue earlier in the thread.
You know who ‘israelnationalnews’ are?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arutz_Sheva
Grow up.
The World Bank is suddenly interested in Yemen as a proxy for US policy in the region, because, as their blog says ”We are now paying more attention to Yemen, because the Al Qaeda-inspired failed airliner bombing in the United States on December 24 originated, at least in part, there.”
Why are you so sensitive on the subject of propaganda frances? Why do you suck it up by search engine and regurgitate it here uncritically? More often than not it’s still completely unrelated to your paranoid insinuations.
It’s funny really, because all you’ve linked to is propaganda organs of the US, the Zionist settler movement and the World Bank. You seem to have a taste for it.
Has someone left you alone in front of a search engine? Try to read and absorb at least some of what it turns up before you spam the results in posts here. Of course I’m aware of the pipeline diplomacy across Eurasia, and Turkeys pivotal place in that. What are you suggesting is the link between the Nabucco pipeline and this Isreali attack on the Turkish led flotilla aiming to break the Gaza blockade? Are you linking the pipeline to this event, or just insinuating some link and casting suspicion based upon the insinuation?
Cynicism intended, why was this operation run by charity amateurs? Couldn’t have Turkey employed some pros like Somali pirates? Pay them living wages and let them run supplies in speedboats from a mother ship in international waters to Gaza? Why pit civis against IDF? It beggars belief!
@Majestic – But racism and rabid nationalism/religious fervor is ugly when it comes from any side. It also feeds hatred from your foe. Well put. Thanks.
@ Ingrid
Notice anything wrong with your link?
w.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/6044639/peace-convoy-this-was-an-islamist-terror-ambush.thtml
OK, let’s inform you then. From her own circulated pronouncements, Melanie Phillips (sounds Irish?) is proud to be Jewish. Until now I didn’t know she was a lying zionist as well but then I don’t read shitrags like the spectator.
Next humanitarian-aid ships bound for Gaza will be seized by the Israels as they enter area around Wednesday (this is not yet in global “news”, but it will be)
Stupid Isarel was helped with reconasance aircrafts of USA during the 6 Day WAR & I agree with Mike Without assistance from USA Israel woulda got whipped & wacked
the stupid Israelies also Fired @ the US top secret SR-71 Reconasance aircrafts not knowing what it was
They got everyday updates from the US as to what was happening on the Battle field
Dumb Twerps
Hic
And hey we reached 500 +
Whoot Whoot
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=128593§ionid=351020202
“Israel has jailed 487 international activists captured during its deadly commando strike on a Gaza aid convoy, while 48 others are to be “expelled.”
I simi-expect that there will be more TV series like what is mentioned below, but not just Turkey but also most of North Africa and the Gulf States …
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXVNVV2Mxss
Israeli Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman summoned the Turkish ambassador to Israel in protest over a new television drama airing in Turkey that depicts Israel Defense Forces soldiers as brutal murderers. Lieberman instructed staff at the Foreign Ministry to protest in the face of their Turkish counterparts. He stressed that airing this type of show reflects a grave level of incitement – and with government approval.
The drama’s Web site says it “brings to life the bleeding wound of Palestine. The show depicts all sides of the generations-long tragedy… This season focuses on the women and children and the Palestinian story, as well as the notion that the ultimate solution is love, compassion and world peace.”
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Historically, the flotilla row is at best a grain of sand on 90 Kilometre Beach … but it makes a good argument that Mossad runs the nation seem plausible.
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Interesting actual history, Mossad’s predecessor entity was in part responsible for for founding the modern state … this is no Hudson’s Bay Company (or New Zealand Company)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mossad
Prior to Israel’s formation
The “Mossad Le’aliyah Bet” was a small, unorthodox Zionist organization whose mission in 1938 was to bring Jews to the British mandate of Palestine. This was done to subvert the British quotas on Jewish immigration. The Mossad’s modes of operation, its ideology, and politics resulted in the creation of the intelligence agency for the Israeli government once it was established in 1948. The agency consisted of several of the existing members who had worked to establish Israel as a Jewish state.
Organizational odds and sods
The Mossad does not use military ranks, although most of its staff have served in the Israel Defense Forces as part of Israel’s compulsory draft system, and many of them are officers. It is assumed to consist of eight different departments.
And, why Belgians and Canadians have no reason to help …
The Mossad is alleged to be responsible for the assassination of Canadian engineer and ballistics expert Gerald Bull outside his Brussels apartment March 22, 1990. He was shot multiple times in the head outside his apartment. Bull was at the time working for Iraq on the Project Babylon supergun.
….Apparently the slingshots were made in Iranian nuclear facilities…
Here we go, spins already started.
http://www.foxnews.com/world/2010/05/30/reports-israeli-ships-attack-aid-flotilla-dead/
I have to say that I wanted to stay away from this thread. You know, 10-ffot barge pole stuff.
Which is actually a shame. Why should I feel compelled to abstain from a contribution because I know that passions will run hot on this topic, as those with an “everything my country does is good” meets the “Zionists hate everyone who’s not them” crowd, with of course natural rational comments an analysis somehow lost somewhere in the ensuring melee in-between.
The fact is that the first casualty of war seems to be truth.
This is probably because of a number of factors (people generally don’t like to go to war [though there's always a proportion who welcome it to prove how much better they are than other peoples'], that the decision makers feel war’s strategically necessary, that “war is a racket”, etc. etc.)
So the fact is that we can’t see or know all the parameters of this situation at this point in time. People point out that the flotilla was in international waters, others that the fleet was itself provocative, that ‘peace activists’ were seen attacking commandos, or that Commandos may have fired first before boarding ( http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0531/raw-video-reporter-claims-israelis-fired-activists-boarding-ship/ this link also claims that communications from the ship were attempted to be jammed, hmm, I wonder why?).
I don’t know which side is telling the truth. I don’t even know if there *is* a right side. Sometimes ethics and justice fall into that grey area where decisions are complex and difficult. But it certainly will attempt to be manipulated by most sides for advantage.
But racism and rabid nationalism/religious fervor is ugly when it comes from any side. It also feeds hatred from your foe.
I just don’t understand why we all just can’t try to get along.
Why must we have to have someone to hate??
Seriously, it saddens me; not just the event, the whole thing.
hmm, the jews sure did learn valuable lessons from their german captors didnt they? building walls(warsaw ghetto); indiscriminate killings(again the warsaw ghetto, and others…); starving the arabs in gaza(sigh, again the warsaw ghetto…etc). i am sick of the desire of those in power to keep it regardless of the cost.
Its like very obvious this was a set up to try and start ww3. And the ones pulling the strings were sitting in their cheataus or huge yauhts far away.
Stacey, howabout a date next time you come to Australia, Max doesn’t need to know?? go on!!!
http://www.spectator.co.uk/melaniephillips/6044639/peace-convoy-this-was-an-islamist-terror-ambush.thtml
Israelis celebrate the ship attack across from the Turkish embassy.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMzc1N1Cx3s
Stacy, thanks for the label, “neanderthal nazis!” I was aruing for about the 50th time with an aquaintance of mine who supports (philosophically) those neanderthals this evening. Actually, you are too kind.
This YouTube video taken on board the boarded ship shows the reality not the nonsense shown by the IDF
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybuKkXV-xUI
Jim Rickards sayZ…
Turkey is sideshow & #Gaza is sideshow of a sideshow. Main event is #Iran emboldened & #Israel nothing left to lose. War likely One reason I hammered #Goldman on #Greece is precisely the military importance of Greece’s role in eastern Med. Now playing out: #Israel
Israel is a state.
It is not a religion.
It is not a people.
It is only a state.
And a horrid one at that.
These Israelis are at least a hope, they need support
A message from within – signed by Israeli citizens
Dear all,
This is an important call by Israeli academics against the war, which I hope you can read and distribute widely.
In support of the Palestinian human rights community call for international action. A call from within – signed by Israeli citizens
As if the occupation was not enough, the brutal ongoing repression of the Palestinian population, the construction of settlements and the siege of
Gaza- now comes the bombardment of the civilian population: men, women,
old folks and children. Hundreds of dead, hundreds of injured, overwhelmed hospitals, and the central medicine depot of Gaza bombed.
The ship Dignity of the Free Gaza movement which brought emergency
medical supplies and a number of physicians was also attacked. Israel has returned to openly committing war crimes, worse than what we have seen in a long time.
Israeli media do not expose their viewers to the horrors and to the voices of severe criticism of these crimes. The story told is uniform. Israeli dissidents are denounced as traitors. Public opinion including that of the Zionist left supports the Israeli policy uncritically and without reservation.
Israel’s destructive criminal policy will not cease without a massive
intervention by the international community. However, except for some rather weak official condemnation, the international community is reluctant to intervene,. The United States openly supports the Israeli violence and Europe, although voicing some condemnation, is unwilling to seriously consider withdrawing the “gift” it handed Israel by upgrading its relations with the European Union.
In the past the world knew how to fight criminal policies. The boycott on South Africa was effective, but Israel is handled with kid gloves: its trade relations are flourishing, academic and cultural cooperation continue and intensify with diplomatic support.
This international backing must stop. That is the only way to stop the insatiable Israeli violence. We are calling on the world to stop Israeli violence and not allow the continuation of the brutal occupation. We call on the world to Condemn and not become an accomplice in Israel’s crimes.
In light of the above, we call on the world to implement the call by Palestinian human rights organizations which urges:
* The UN Security Council to call an emergency session and adopt concrete measures, including the imposition of sanctions, in order to ensure Israel’s fulfilment of its obligations under international humanitarian law.
* The High Contracting Parties to the Geneva Conventions to fulfil their obligation under common Article 1 to ensure respect for the provisions of the Conventions, taking appropriate measures to compel Israel to abide by its obligations under international humanitarian law, in particular placing pivotal importance on the respect and protection of civilians from the effects of the hostilities.
* The High Contracting Parties to fulfil their legal obligation under Article
146 of the Fourth Geneva Convention to prosecute those responsible for grave breaches of the Convention.
* EU institutions and member states to make effective use of the European Union Guidelines on promoting compliance with international humanitarian law (2005/C 327/04) to ensure Israel complies with international humanitarian law under paragraph 16 (b), (c) and (d) of these guidelines, including the adoption of immediate restrictive measures and sanctions, as well as cessation of all upgrade dialogue with Israel.
@ Geophysics
“Israel did a GREAT JOB! ”
Pathetic and disgusting!
Arabs are trying to wipe off the Israel, Hamas are killing our people everyday. We the jews suffered how long, anti-semite blah blah blah…
Grow up and look who are the real anti-semites.it’s not nazis this time but Israeli govt. They are driving the jews around the world into another dangerous corner. They is an old jewish saying that If there are two jews, there are 3 different opinions. All jews around the world don’t speak and act with 1 ideology and 1 idea. Do not put your people to one basket for the sake of your people. History proves it’s dangerous thing to do again and again. You say Israel is the only democratic society in the middle east like a broken record. In the democratic society, criticism against govt’s polices are reasonable. Only totalitarians are label people who dare to criticise the govt’s polices such as anti-semite or self-hating jews.
How dare they call jews who have a different opinion “self-hating jews??
Okay I’m “pimping” myself. With all that’s happening in the world, are we not on “The Eve of Destructuon”?. A youtube video I did a week ago–not the best, not the worst–I kind of like it….plus we still have a couple hours left of “Memorial Day”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8NN-mB4ycrM
–Van
@Nicholas …as I stated on the first page of posts…..me thinks the lady doth protest….
“ignorant, neanderthal nazis”
Need the Babblefish translator.
Norman Finkelstein: Israel is a LUNATIC state!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB_CKL5h2_8&feature=player_embedded
http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/KK06Ag01.html
folks, this is bigger than the stupid israelis. The israelis are just puppets for the elites. lIke the usa and several other countrys.
The elites want ww3. They want it bad now. So they can do away with alot of us and start thier new world order.
Don’t think this isn’t the case folks. They didnt’ build many underground bunkers and cities for nothing.
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/News/News.aspx/136963
The run to Gaza was not an event left to happenstance.
Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon seemed to confirm the reason for the photo-op, noting to camera men “pay attention that he is sitting in the lower chair and we are in the higher ones, that there is only an Israeli flag on the table and that we are not smiling.”
http://news.antiwar.com/2010/01/12/turkey-seethes-at-deliberate-diplomatic-slights-in-israel/
Why is the World Bank suddenly concerned with Yemen and Al-Qaeda?
http://blogs.worldbank.org/conflict/the-yemen-challenge
Who are the good guys, Harry? Can you sift through the news for all of us and throw the propaganda chaff out?
I’d like to know for sure who the good guys and the bad guys are: I mean other than Goldman Sachs and Al-Qaeda (they’re the baddies, right?)
If we ask questions concerning arms deals or resource wars are we to be implicated in ‘propaganda’?
Well, Harry?
http://www.rferl.org/content/Germanys_Merkel_On_Delicate_Visit_To_Turkey/1996594.html?page=1&x=1#relatedInfoContainer
http://www.iloubnan.info/politics/actualite/id/46714/titre/Israel-storms-out-aid-convoy,-Turkey-furious,-Hamas-calls-on-the-Arab-to-rise-up
Is Turkey running arms to Hamas?
Is Turkey balking on the Nabucco deal with EU?
Well, Harry?
Remember the USS Liberty. This is going to be a whitewash.
Wake up smell the coffee.
An Irish boat — the ‘Rachel Corrie’ — is headed for Gaza now.
http://aliabunimah.posterous.com/irish-boat-the-mv-rachel-corrie-proceeding-to
Ingrid,
All you’ve written is a stream of unsubstantiated propaganda points, and every time I’ve called you on the distortion of fact and history underlying those points you’ve responded with blanket [Zionist] denial or ignored it and gone on to the next propaganda point.
I haven’t suggested you or anyone else is a ‘propagandist’, I’ve simply pointed out that your points are almost entirely based on propaganda and asked you why.
I’m not interested in whether you’re a propagandist by occupation, or simply repeat propaganda as a past-time, given your ideological commitment to Israel. The boundaries are blurred these days:
I don’t care to speculate, I just deal with what you write, that’s all. It does mean Israel is deliberately poisoning public debate on the internet with coordinated propaganda campaigns. Obviously that may have an effect on how repetitive Israeli propaganda points are received and interpreted within any such debate.
The Palestinians have made countless proposals, at Camp David and since, and they’ve entered into whole series of negotiations since then. The Israelis simply lay down preconditions before every set of negotiations to prevent them going forward, if they ever do move Israel seizes upon any opportunity to use massive force against the Palestinians to derail them.
If you weren’t interested in informing yourself of any of the Palestinian proposals, didn’t notice their participation in numerous diplomatic missions, then I think that just illustrates part of your problem in reconciling your point of view with actual events.
Your faux-sympathy for the people of Gaza you say are exploited by Hamas is quite gracious, quite remarkable for someone who supports the blockade upon them, and remains indifferent to the massive violence Israeli forces subject them to:
I asked you about the deaths number of deaths caused by both Palestinian and Israelis in and out of Gaza on the assumption that you’re indifferent to the facts and the actual loss of lives, and that your point about rockets out of Gaza is simply a propaganda point. You didn’t disappoint me.
You seem to be scoring propaganda points from ‘behind the skirts of women and children’ who you’re quite content to see rot in squalor and malnutrition, or risk being shot to pieces if their sons and brothers muster even futile and ineffectual resistance.
You’ve again dodged Israel’s hand in fostering Hamas, it seems to be a point about which you are in complete denial.
Your response suggests a certain doublethink on your part: Does Hamas exist “because of internal Palestinian policy” or does it only exist today “because of massive Iranian support”?
I neglected to point out your occupation mentality earlier when I pointed out the election of Hamas in 2006, leading to the international sanctions and the later blockade on Gaza. You said:
Because Israel and it’s international allies disagree with the representatives Palestinians choose, they select the security forces of the Palestinian Authority as the only acceptable authority, turning them into a quisling regime a tool of Israel’s occupation policy, and had to be overthrown by Hamas acting with a democratic mandate.
Notice how Israel has at different times cultivated and supported Palestinian opposition to the representatives of the majority of Palestinian people? One might conclude it’s merely the age old policy of divide and rule employed by most occupiers to weaken and subjugate people under occupation.
Hamas are simply a bunch of reactionary religious fundamentalists, fostered by both Israelis and Arabs to help undermine Fatah and the broader Palestinan Liberation Organisation, later Authority. They make a more appealing bogeyman for Israelis to point at while ethnically cleansing and colonising Palestinian territories, with the long term aim of liquidating the Palestinians as a people. That seems self-evident, given the history.
Hahaha, you seem to be in complete denial about Israel’s much more recent history of slaughter, still ongoing. You’re simply arguing as an apologist for Israel, regardless of facts and the history of events.
Carry on please, I don’t think I learn much about actual events or facts, but I am quite interested in your mode of argument and its tactical use of selected events combined with a blanket denial of others.
Israel Attacks US
By Jerry Ghinelli
January 01, 2009 “Information Clearinghouse”‘ — The government of Israel today launched a massive air assault on suspected terrorist targets along major coastal cities in the United States of America. In an operation termed “Friendly Enemy,” hundreds of Israeli F-16 fighter jets streaked across the Atlantic in precise formation and fired surgical air strikes at alleged terrorist strongholds in densely populated Muslim communities all along the northeast corridor of the United States. The American-made Lockheed Martin F-16 fighter jets then continued south, inflicting massive destruction in densely populated Muslim communities along many southeastern US states as well.
Reaction to the attacks on the US was swift. President Bush and President-Elect Obama both appealed for restraint, but stated emphatically, “Israel has the right to defend itself.”
@tony
but who would have the capability and will to nuke them?
@white
It might be easier if try and identify their allies.
the truth really sucks
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/israeli-defense-forces-release-video-violence-aboard-turkish-ship
in a ww3 scenario, who is israel’s nuclear enemy?
With Turkey’s recent history of their slaughter of millions of Armenians, they ought be butting their noses out of Israeli matters and reflect on their own history before being critical of others.
Turkey , an Israeli ally – not. Turkey, a NATO ally – not
piracy, murder and kidnap
nothing unusual there for israel
but they have fucked up this time
their siege is coming to an end
MY guess is israel was told by their masters the elites to do the massacre and keeling. To purposely try and start a war which would have probably wound up being ww3.
The elites armor is cracking now. And they know it. They’re only way out of this is a huge war to deflect what they’ve been doing to bring in a new world order.
Geo … If you allow ‘censorship’ on this site…? English not your strong point eh, I’d stick with astrology if I were you.
Those nasty insidious peace mungers they kept hitting my fist with their faces.
Remember the name of this ship was the “Rachel Corrie” Are you familiar with Rachel Corrie? She was a activist from Olympia Washington who was there protesting the destruction of homes in Gaza aboubt 7 years ago. Israeli soldiers smashed her into oblivion. Until just recently, witnesses of this murder by Israel were kept out of the country to keep them from testifying at trial.
This is by no accident that they raided this ship and not another.
@Geophysics
Yeah, I’d definitely have to see the paperwork on that. You certainly don’t appear to be particularly bright.
@Geophysics
See, I told ya! You already posted that. (By the way, what does it actually mean? You know, the main body is basically incoherent.)
Tony, darling , let’s compare my education and yours. I have MS in Physics and work in the field of Geophysics ( research) and later in Computer Programming ( big $$ consulting)
What about your, poor antysemite?
One more time ( let see if you allow censorship on this site)
Isral did not allow ships, that decided to enter Israeli national waters illegally,
by responding to mobs attacking the navy with knifes and pipes.
Two Israeli commandos sustaned serious injuries.
LET US WISH THEM SPEEDY RECOVERY!
GOOD JOB, BOYS
@Lloyd
…another example of a Jew critical of Israel without reprisal – name a Palestinian so vocal against the PA or Hamas that doesn’t have a death sentence hanging over their head.
Anyone out there have anything negative to say of Hamas or they a bunch of fine outstanding world citizens?
@Stacy
I think when you were over there in 2000 you were probably hanging out with the tiny, enlightened part of the Israeli public that actually criticises their govt. Israelis abroad in general have a well earned reputation of being the dogmatic sociopaths we all know and love (e.g. in places like Cyrprus & Goa) . Dare we forget the Israelis flocking to the high ground beyond Gaza to picnic & watch their brave warriors launching hellfire missiles on the Palestinian women and children below.
@Harry W
Are all those who don’t share your views propagandists? Don’t be so ignorant and dismissive of facts that don’t fit your distorted view of reality.
Where is the Palestinian peace proposal?
Hamas exists because of internal Palestinian policy – that is, historical gross corruption within the Palestinian Authority – Arafat was worth over a billion dollars at the time of his death – all stolen from foreign aid to the Palestinian people.
Hamas only exists today because of massive Iranian support and has done nothing positive for its people.
As usual, Dr. Finkelstein sums things up nicely:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB_CKL5h2_8
Could native americans go into town and buy provisions with beads at least today’s phoney money is legal tender in all stores at least for now.
and @Marc never said a word. wild ride.
@ Player 1 million, they may have been bags of beads but what can we do about it?
In a few hundred years from now, will transactions have to be reversed because they were done with pieces of green paper (or their digital equivalent)?
Apologies if this has been posted already but it bears repeating:
NATO 1949 -
Article 6 (1)
For the purpose of Article 5, an armed attack on one or more of the Parties is deemed to include an armed attack:
on the territory of any of the Parties in Europe or North America, on the Algerian Departments of France (2), on the territory of or on the Islands under the jurisdiction of any of the Parties in the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer;
on the forces, vessels, or aircraft of any of the Parties, when in or over these territories or any other area in Europe in which occupation forces of any of the Parties were stationed on the date when the Treaty entered into force or the Mediterranean Sea or the North Atlantic area north of the Tropic of Cancer.
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This Israel regime should be blasted into the stone age like the Taliban were in October/November 2001 if NATO had any credibility.
@ Geophysics
That old trick? Psyche out Stacy? C’mon You should be writing to the Knesset. Tell ‘em the game is up.
And where’s the reply to my question for you? Wishing a speedy recovery yet for white phosphorus and depleted uranium victims in Gaza?
@Geophysics
“I just wonder where is MY post?”
I saw some pro-murder, knee-jerk red-neck brain-stem comments from you earlier. Was that it?
@ zmoore
lol
I just wonder where is MY post?
Max and Stacy allow censorship here???
What a surprise!
@ Tamir Michael
Believe me, I’m not defending the Turks as a political entity.
The common people of Turkey had an awakening, decided to provide their fair share of aid to Gaza and their leaders moved that energy in the desired direction. The flotilla has many ethnicities signed on so we must ask why the Turkish ship was singled out. Cause and effect, order out of chaos etc..
I’m sick of hearing the word Conspiracy too. There was a plan, an evil plan so now a new set of people are dead or injured.
Imagine…if only similar emotion as shown by the public over the case of flotilla/Israel were being applied with same force against the bankers and Wall Street crooks…just imagine!
@ Ingrid,
You seem fluent in Israeli propaganda, we’ve had the ‘no partner for peace’ spiel, the one-eyed complaints about rockets fired *out* of Gaza, ignoring those Israel fires in, killing hundreds (if not thousands) more Palestinians than the handful of Israelis; patting Israel on the back for its ‘unilateral withdrawal’ ignoring it’s purpose to prevent any peace process going forward.
Yes Israel supported Hamas in its early days as a fundamentalist opposition to the secular Fatah. Own it, don’t bore me with your denial, Israel sponsored the growth of Mujama Al-Islamiya which later became Hamas, and it indulged Hamas in it’s struggle against Fatah.
I hope The Wall Street Journal isn’t too anti-Israel for you:
JANUARY 24, 2009
How Israel Helped to Spawn Hamas
By ANDREW HIGGINS
Moshav Tekuma, Israel
Or The New York Press?
Israel’s Hamas
by George Szamuely
The New York Press Volume 15, Issue 17, April 2002
Palestinians insisted that the final status of Jerusalem must be covered by any agreement. The Israelis weren’t interested in a comprehensive agreement, their offer was only to buy more time to expand their colonial settlements and seize Jerusalem.
So why is your version of history stuck in a Zionist bubble of denial and simply run from one cliche of Israeli propaganda to the next?
Brandon shanks It’s not going to happen though is it and why do you think that is?
JT re: Ingie I am embarrassed too and I’m not ishralie. She is rotten at her job. And the sad thing is she doesn’t realize how bad she is, sheesh.
Posit for a moment the Gnorklings, who worship the god Gnork. They have a long history of violence against their neighbors. Then 2000 years ago, for various reasons, they are driven out of their country by the Fnorgs. They live in exile for centuries; many refuse to integrate into customs of their new homelands and are often persecuted for their strange behavior. 70 years ago, Zorkon, a nasty dictator tries to kill off all of the Gnorklings in his realm.
Zorkon is defeated by the Allies of Quark. The Allies then displace the Blargs who moved into the vacuum left 2000 years ago by the Gnorkling’s exile. Many Gnorklings move to where the Blargs were living, pushing out the Blargs. When the Blargs protest (yes, occasionally violently), they are treated in the same manner as the Gnorklings were treated by Zokon.
Now, a commando group of Gnorklings has boarded a relief ship of supplies for the besieged Blargs. The ship was in international waters. Are the Gnorklings in the right by preventing supplies going to the Blargs? Or have they become the oppressor of the Blargs, as they were oppressed by Zorkon?
**Lesson: when dealing with a highly charged situation, change the names of those involved. This can help one understand the situation better.
@Bronxy
No, that’s why bigoted asses hate Jews.
@P Alfonso
Are you nuts?
Hasn’t our heavy-handed meddling caused enough grief (to other and ourselves) already?
As much as I deplore what the Israelis did, I can’t help but think that US involvement would have made a horrible situation into a horribly catasrophic situation. Why do I think so? What has the US done lately (say in the last 50 years) that hasn’t come back to bite us one way or another?
I don’t see that 60 years of US involvement has helped settle the matter. It is unlikely that another 60 (or 600) years of US involvement will either.
TJ,
I don’t have an issue with Turkey opposing Israeli policies. I do have an issue with Turkey intervening with internal Israeli matters- and the Gaza issue is, in addition to being a humanitarian nightmare, a serious issue for Israel’s safety (by the way, I live outside of Israel). What would Turkey say is Israel would have helped fund the PKK (I know there are conspiracy theories that it did)…?
Player,
I agree the Natives deserve a homeland they treated badly for many years.
I think it’s high time we supported native American Indians in their search for a home land I think they’ve been stiffed I mean cmon I don’t care how big the bag of beads was it was just beads ole whitey gets manhatton mind they were lucky to get beads.
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This is why people hate the Jews, this is how they act in big and small.
Orthodox Jews harassing Christians outside a Christian shop
http://www.youtube.com/user/aradisrael
Italy Municipalities Face $1.4 Billion in Losses From Derivative Contracts http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aC1XMxLHRL34
Perhaps we should completley stop food supply incase people that make bombs and bomb factories get some.
@kaks
Plenty of Jewish criticism of Israel – not just Chomsky.
Israeli politics is out in the open. Try openly criticizing Hamas within Gaza
without being decapitated.
@ Tamir Michael
Try to get your head round this. YOUR leaders are as corrupt and duplicitous as OUR leaders. They don’t care what you think or how you vote and they couldn’t care less about the consequences of foolish aggression and chickens coming home to roost.
Turkey is a whole lot bigger than Israel. If I was to venture a guess, I’d say somebody in YOUR foreign ministry tried to push them around the way they do with US minions. Turks still have their pride and this is the result.
For the record, I have Israeli friends and this was originally their hypothesis. Good Luck
Stopping them building ” bomb factories” also stops them rebuilding houses, shame.
Warning Signs Of Full Spectrum Collapse Are Everywhere http://neithercorp.us/npress/?p=512
@Kaks
http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l3amrjs5NI1qzusjlo1_400.jpg
@ Ingrid
Sure, I’ll try to post something intelligent.
Call your handlers in Tel Aviv and ask them to look out the window. We don’t need an extended weather forecast, just what’s happening now
Seems to me that it is too frequently assumed that anybody criticizing Israel is not of Israeli citizenship and/or not Jewish. We just don’t get to hear their voices, I guess. Perhaps, with the exception of Chomsky.
@ geophysics
Does your concern extend to the people suffering from White Phosphorus and Depleted Uranium that rained down on Gaza? Should we wish them a speedy recovery too?
There is a reason for antisemitism, it comes from the way jews act, and it has been for all time. The jews brought the holocaust on them selfs, sure the majority was innocent, but the leading jews where not. What the jews have dont against the palestinian people and today against the ships is the es sens of the way jews act.
@TJ
The weather in Colorado is beautiful – Tel Aviv?- look it up yourself
Post something intelliegent – just try.
@ Ingrid
it’s too warm for a wooly jumper so I have nothing to pull over my head.
Just admit you’ve been OUTED, I’m getting embarrassed for you.
And you never answered my question, how’s the weather in Tel Aviv?
Because we say so!
http://youtube.com/watch?v=acMa7fYtdzA&feature=related
I like jewish people, but i wouldn’t eat a full one…
Climate system scandal http://blogs.euobserver.com/gardner/2010/05/27/climate-system-scandal/
Hello Stacy,
I don’t want to spam this forum – let me try again, rephrased somewhat this time:
“I am an Israeli, and this entire situation does not make me happy at all. For the record: I support lifting the sieve from Gaza (as part of a larger ceasefire, of course). However, it is clear to me that this act was a pure provocation by Turkey. In my opinion, the Israelis should have done everything in their power to prevent violence, but they failed miserably (yet again!). However, the true radical here (apart from Hamas, of course) is the charming Turkish PM, that seems to be aligning his country with the moderate in the region – i.e, Hamas, Iran, Syria and the rest of the old/new ‘axis of evil’ “.
Apart from that – genuine sympathy to the ones that got hurt.
Israel did a GREAT JOB! Hopefully this provocation will be the last unlawful
attempt.
According to the international laws, no foreign vessel is allowed to enter
national waters, unless given permission.
The bad thing is that 2 israeli comandos are heavily wounded. Let ‘s wish them speedy recovery!
Our government should not only be outraged with this event but should have stopped it from happening but yet White House spokesman Bill Burton said “the United States deeply regrets the loss of life and injuries sustained and is currently working to understand the circumstances surrounding this tragedy.” They well understand what is going on. Is this the best explanation they can come up with to the American people?
Until recently, I used to be a strong supporter of their government and policies. Having come to my senses and studied some events that have taken place in the past I have come to understand that a foreign government has more influence in our country that our own government which is voted in by its people. It is time that the rest of our citizens wake up, realize that we are, and have been in the path to destruction because of our misguided foreign policies. Their country has been hijacked by the same ruthless people than ours and their citizens are been oppressed just as ours are. They are denied freedom and peace and those policies are taking hold in our own country.
We the people need to wake up to the truth on this subject and stop supporting these ruthless foreign policies that are coming home to roost on our own citizens.
You be the judge on this incident but don’t expect our government that is controlled by those who go against the will of the majority of the American people to side with justice. More importantly don’t expect the truth from a media that is owned by them. Their media is already reporting that they were attacked and acted in self-defense. Shouldn’t it be reported that those who they attacked were the ones that were acting in self-defense?
This is what happens to anyone who will compromise for peace.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yitzhak_Rabin_assassination_conspiracy_theories
It happened to John F. Kennedy when he bucked heads with the system.
@Player1
Hamas uses cement for weapons and weapons factories not house construction – any objection to that? Probably not
Items amongst the aid which was illegal was cement and building materials quite right how dare they be able to rebuild thier homes.
Too bad that my previous post seems to have been filtered – out: If we are to have a discussion, also opinions that considered contentions should be allowed – in fact, MUST be allowed. I’m disappoint: I do not consider my post to “radical” or “unfair”. I was merely expressing my personal opinion.
Harry W,
Israel deserves plenty of blame. They should return to their 1948 borders. They should also stop Collective punishment on the arab population.
@Harry W
Israel supported Hamas – seriously, why post outright lies?
It is true that Hamas won the elections however the recognized security forces, in Palestine and internationally, within the West Bank and Gaza were the Palestinian Authority. They were violently overthrown – fact.
There was and still is security cooperation with Israel and the Palestinian Authority.
Hamas has sacrificed the well being of its people for the sake of its hatred of Israel – this is not propaganda – just fact. How many $millions has gone to the people vs weapons? They fight behind the skirts of women and children. Women can’t show there faces in public or ride on bikes; soccer is banned; scores of people have been hanged, try practicing Christianity there?
That Hamas are a bunch of good folk is propaganda that you post.
Sure the Palestinians had the right to reject the Israeli offer of almost everything the Plestinians requested; but what was the counter-offer? There was none, just an intifada base on provocation and incitement.
Get your facts straight , man
This is a sad day indeed.
I would think that the Israelis would have a bit more understanding about what these type of acts will lead to. After all, it wasn’t too many years ago that it was displaced European Jews and supplies for Jewish settlements in the Palestine Mandate that were being held up on the high seas.
You’d also think that the Israelis would know something about what they are creating in the ghettos of Gaza.
Apparently the Israelis have forgotten their own history. Such a shame. I don’t see this course working out well for anyone.
Matt Taibbi: Wall Street’s War
Congress looked serious about finance reform – until America’s biggest banks unleashed an army of 2,000 paid lobbyists http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/;kw=36899,157778?RS_show_page=0
@ Brandon,
That’s not so much history so much ethnic self-pity. It’s not as if every Jewish state in existence didn’t also attack it’s neighbours and persecute religious minorities.
Wouldn’t you say Palestinians are more attacked than Jews in the last 50 years of those history? Principally by Zionist Jews, who’ve sought to ‘wipe Palestine off the map’ and liquidate the Palestinian people, with the indulgence of the UN Security Council ensured by a US veto and a blind eye from their NATO allies.
Indeed, reaction to the nature and conduct of the Israeli state seems to be the principle cause of anti-semitism in the modern world, where institutions tend to shy away from public criticism of ‘the Jewish State’ because of the Holocaust.
However, people simply see an ethno-religious state seeking to seize a land they hadn’t occupied in nearly 2000 years and either ethnically cleanse its inhabitants or wipe out those who remain under occupation in Israel’s prison-states for Palestinians.
I oppose many of Isreal’s policies. The Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank deserve a state and Isreal should stop building settlements there period. However in Hungary we had the Jobbik party who is pretty much a openly Nazi party getting 16% of the vote that is scary to me. Look at Austria too.
Dear freinds,its not about anti Semitic,s,its about,lifes,all about lifes!
And its not a war of race,its a war of dignety,pure and square,how hard is that to grasp?
You dont board a ship,in international water,s,and starts killing people,its not pirats who hijack ships,and demand reward!
Its people doing human woork,to help people,that the rest of this world,have forgooten!
Here in the midlle of the World economic forum,market,HFT,no money,a lot of money,no work,a lot of work!
Israel is using its whip on the back,of fredom loving people!
Lets hear from more Israel,hello Israel!
@Stacy,….you can flag this section as one of the most emotive, me thinks : )
BTW: Thanks for being so appeasing !,…it’s great to watch
Israel boarded a ship in International waters with armed men and expects the passengers to welcome them or automatically submit? Nonsense. The passengers have a right to self defense, as any other human being would, if encountering an illegal boarding in open waters. There is no evidence the flotilla was carrying war material. This outrage can only lead to one thing,..war. I’m sure this action was done with the blessing of the CIA.
@ Tony
I guess the picutures where not good enough for you?
or video footage…o yeah they had them back then also.
civilians attack elite special forces, with metal pieces, in the night, and they have to kill 19 and injure 70 to bring them under control? Give me a break, what kind of propaganda is this? There is one word for describing this kind of attacks in international waters: piracy
@Brandon
Perhaps that depends on who’s writing the history books.
I just fear that the David Duke’s of the world will use stuff like this to support their views. He was doing this in Ukraine a few years back, he lives in Austria right now. I mean we still have people who deny the holocaust in the year 2010!
@Brandon
I agree with you Brandon…
but people have a short memory…
Especially the acts that took place less than 70 years ago…
and a body count will all know.
@Brandon – indeed
Jews have been the most atttacked people over the last 5,000 years. The Romans, the Arabs, the Germans, the Egyptians have all tried to destroy them at some point. Antisemitic is still a huge problem worldwide especially in some parts of Europe. Lets not forget history.
@ Ingrid,
You seem to have confused ‘simple facts’ with the cliches of Israeli propaganda.
Hamas won the 2006 Palestinian elections. As a result, Israel, the United States, the European Union, several Western states, and the Arab states imposed sanctions suspending all foreign aid, upon which Palestinians depend.
The international sanctions were terminated in June 2007 following the Battle of Gaza, while at the same time a new and more severe blockade of the Gaza Strip was initiated.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006-2007_economic_sanctions_against_the_Palestinian_National_Authority
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007–2010_blockade_of_the_Gaza_Strip
That was the beginning of the blockade,sanctions by Israel and its international allies against the democratic election of Hamas. They then turned the remnants of PLO-Fatah into a quisling regime of collaborators.
Hamas overthrew a quisling regime which had lost elections and was dependent upon Israeli occupiers.
You ignored Israel’s early support for Hamas in opposition to the PLO, why complain about their position on Israel now? You neglected to give any measure of the deaths caused by Israeli attacks in Gaza compared to Palestinian rocket attacks from there. Maybe it would expose those rocket attacks as pathetic fireworks compared to the overkill applied by Israel from land air and sea.
Your account of the US-Israeli stunt offer at Camp David to kill off the Oslo peace process only exposes Israel as a gangster state: making an offer Palestinian’s are not allowed to refuse. The Camp David ‘offer’ was just another blank cheque for Israel to continue it’s colonial expansion throughout the territories they illegally occupy. And you agree with Israel, peace only on submission terms that you intend to dictate.
The ‘unilateral withdrawal’ whine from Zionists is just like the ‘no partner for peace’ whine that followed the Camp David stunt. It’s just a self-serving pose for propaganda purposes. It was another effort by Israel to sabotage any peace process based on negotiations and agreements, rather than dictation under threat from Israel and it’s international allies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israel%27s_unilateral_disengagement_plan
Israel had a virtual ceasefire on rocket attacks, but refused to lift the blockade on Gaza. As ever, when Palestinian’s showed even a flicker of resistance Israel responded with massive overkill, massacring Palestinians indiscriminately: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza_War#2008_six-month_lull
@Stacy
Lets not get this twisted…
I for one dont care for any Neo-this or Neo-that…
Second.. if you call bold type and swearing like a drunken sailor conversation…well there you got me.
Max’s show I thought was smart and open..
and most of all intelligent….thats what I call conversation…
Oh yeah informative as well….if I want rant this I will try Jerry Springer…
BTW Max keep up the good work…
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UN. emergency meeting live. http://uruknet.com/?p=m66511&hd=&size=1&l=e
@Mike – “I’m waiting for the European reaction.”
Some parts of Europe have already reacted, in little Norway there have been protests in at least 6 cities today including a major protest in front of the Israeli embassy in Oslo. I’m sure people in the rest of Europe have had similar protests or going to have it in the following days.
@zaphodity
May 31, 2010 at 6:17 pm
“?
I think you guys spend wayyyyyy too much time on the inter-web-net-thingy.”
Says the man who owns 50% of the posts in this thread? Geez.
Anyone who can’t see by now that Israel is acting like a terrorist these days is either on the payroll or just extremely dumb. There are no other options.
First they pull the Gaza slaughter and now this. They’re nothing but murderers.
Murderers.
@Lee – um, have you ever read the comments on this site? about 95% of them are people disagreeing with me, I do not judge these people neo-nazis; I promise you, however, I know when someone is trying to post neo-nazi propaganda and usually it involves such neanderthalic words as ‘exterminate’, so, as I said before and I will continue to say, no matter how much you want their conversation here, I am not interested in their ignorant, vile and dangerous hate and will not have it, but if you are so determined to engage in debate with them then go google them, I’m sure there are many, many sites for you to try to engage in free speech with them . . . if you are so for freedom, then why are you trying to force me to allow such people to write on my site?
You can see the passengers beating up the soldiers… This is a nonviolent peace flotilla?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo&has_verified=1
My my my,Ingrid!
Back in 1947,somebody made a huge mistake,or made a cynical calculation,like” Futures”
They lit the eternal flamme,and it will tourch the muslim world!
There is no defens or justification,none what so ever,it,s like defending Hitler for calling the Germans,traitors,for not commiting suicide for him,this is pure, Covardismo,entendeu?Ou ,eu tehno tempo parar explicar,e revelar o Misterio para ti?Que,na verdade, nao e um misterio mas tao simples!
U.N,gave Israel,the license to Kill,and they tok it,and in there wisdom,they forgot all about?
Killing,Concentration camps?Gas,burning bodys,the smell of burned flesh,the cry of the Husbonds /Wifes/Children been submised to geneos experiments,from adwanced hensmen/Doktors of the 3,rd Rich,mein Fürher?
And,if they had a brain,and more important a heart,The People of Israel,they would rise!
But from heartless people,YOU CANT EXPECT,MORE!
So much for the love of our fellow men,is this all we have to share,then “One more time”Dave Alen”May Your God Be With You,gonight”
@ STacy
No you shouldnt…but to declare people neo-Nazis that may or no aggree with you is something to be considered…
Max makes his points and argues them well…Not force them…even when they are calling him all sorts of fraud…which is why…like I said..
I like Max’s editoral’s on fiancials and scandals…He allows the facts to come out…not bully my oppion.
@ronron – yes, it’s a long weekend . . . too right
@Stacy. i’ll sum it up for you. it’s an american long weekend and everybody’s broke. staying home and waiting for the hydro to be shut off.
@ td9d
Israel = US = Israes =Israel = US = Israes =Israel = US = Israes =Israel = US = Israes =Israel = US = Israes =Israel = US = Israes =Israel = US = Israes =Israel = US = Israes =Israel = US = Israes =Israel = US = Israes =Israel = US = Israes =Israel = US = Israes =Israel = US = Israes =
Israel is USA 52nd state
Guess what is its 50 First state ???? UK Queen EB2
A sad day for individual democracy and another embarrassment for Israel, the U.S. , U.K. and Canada. Is not Turkey a NATO country ? Should they not be defended by all of NATO as we currently see in Afghanistan ?
Israel never seems to know when to back off. They just push and push, and push some more. This might work if Israel was the great military power that propagandized Americans think.
The truth is, Israel is no great military power, even vis-à-vis their neighbors. Had the US not intervened in 1973, Egypt and Syria would have marched into Haifa and Tel Aviv within days. Of course, Israel is a nuclear power. So are a lot of other countries. I think if we knew the whole list, we might be very surprised.
This attack on these boats will be mostly ignored in the US–or celebrated by the few Americans who can find Israel on a globe. In the Arab, and the rest of the Muslim world, it will not be ignored I’m waiting for the European reaction. (Not the government’s, but the people’s.) I’m thinking it may be huge. Also China, maybe Russia.
The Israelis may have miscalculated on this. Turkey was one of Israeli’s closest supporters in the region. Egypt and Jordan were, at least ostensibly, near allies. That may now change. What is Israei’s support in Europe? A few heads of state. And then there is the US. America has become little more than Israeli property. Trouble is, the US is getting poor and weak…maybe too weak to continue supporting Israel, everywhere, anywhere, no questions asked.
This whole thing is sure to play out very strangely.
Here’s an odd thing. I got up this morning and scanned through the TV. Not one word. After I went through my morning web reading where the flotilla story is huge, I went back to the TV. Not a word. Game shows, cartoons, soap operas…not a word.
Mike
@Lee – sorry, but I’m not interested in neo-nazis (fake or real) or their hate; they offer no genuine discussion and are only interested in spamming their cut and paste hate across the web and I close my comments to other spammers, too; or should I let the one and a half thousand viagra and sex video ads come through too?
Seeing and hearing plain Israelis condoning this kind of thing, it seems to me it’s just another instance of corporate propagandizers destroying a society, a state. Those people are like all of us, but they are fed bs all day long, all their lives and they act accordingly.
When I started writting this comment it was the 394th. I think it’s too much talk, too big of a discussion what’s been going on since ’48. Either one does BDS against those people or not. The rest is just exercise.
This is nothing compared to what the Middle East will look like in a year or two. Once the dollar is dead the welfare to Israel will be useless. They will be broke and will be feel like a cornered animal, nukes for everyone. One to Demascus, one to Riyadh, and how about one to Tehran?
lololololol
Off ta poker haven
Hic
@zaphodity,
Re: Israel and the US. A lot of Christian Evangelicals support Israel no matter what it does. Israel has used this religious connection for their advantage and boy have they taken their advantage.
And yes, the US support of Israel after the second WW is another. But the out and out control of the US foreign policy is just mind boggling. Why do you think Rahm Emmanuel is the chief of staff in the Obama administration. There were better choices. Rahm Emannuel’s father was part of a Israeli terrorist group during the years of British control of Israel, came to the US in 1948…..it’s a long history.
…Scuse my French…
I think she might of been a tad emotional when typing that one out..Anyways i’m gonna rack orf and download some more font styles for my Photoshop CS5..Laters YOW-L !
@zaphodity – got it, thanks!
@ Zap
I get a serious problem when UK Israel ( dunno how tis fukin country came into Existance itself) and USA get involved
these 3 fukin countrys have screwed the world
nobody checks my links
peeps think I’am crazy
If ya side wit tees countrys I’ll Fuk ya in India
Hic
Its Funny… Stacy accused me of being a producer of censorship!
LOL look at her introduction to this discusion…guess its her way or the high way…who show is this Max’s or her’s?….
guess I might get baned for my comments…
I love listening to Max…
If this has become her show then maybe I will seek sources else where…
So much for open discusion….
@stacyherbert
Mega shit fight with a cherry on top.
Israelis are bunch of mis guided Twerps
…Thing is I try and not look at countries, nationalities etc, not easy when everyone else does. Far as i’m concerned we are all human beings. ALL as bad as each other.
@BONN
You’ve got me thinking about going for a single malt. Catch ya later
Wow, I went out for an hour and hundreds of comments back and forth yelling at each other; I have to go edit Keiser Report so won’t time at the moment to go through them all but what the heck is going on here in 140 characters or less . . .
http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/martin-irish-citizens-kidnapped-in-international-waters-459870.html
Jews certainly have been a bunch of pricks ever since we exterminated a few million of em’, BAD attitude problems man.
…Maybe the petrol bombs were made in Iran or somethin ? lol
@ GGees
I have tee lights off n only ta comp Screen providin Lights made a mistake
Gettin Back to Fuckin Israles tey tee number one mo*********th ******er*******fu****ckin*********Censored ********* nice chaps/guys after/before the americans
I Censored most of it
Cummon tey really tink tey God’s disendents WTF
What are we ?????
Arse holes
We got a D@#K personally tey supposedly have Enlightement
WTF
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ROFL
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@ zaphodd
This not meant to be an insult.
You don’t seem to have a clue about history and it’s repetition. In my younger days, I was a fighter pilot in a shit war. Where is your ‘experience’?
Palestine was once part of the Ottoman Empire, all that’s left is modern Turkey. IDF action is the proverbial turd in the pool. First everyone jumps out, then they go after the probable culprit. This thing will not end here. grow up
I am an Israeli, and this entire situation does not make me happy at all. For the record: I support lifting the sieve from Gaza (as part of a larger ceasefire, of course). However, it is clear to me that this act was a pure provocation by Turkey. And no, Stacy, everything that happened, as far as I know, if in complete accordance with international law (nations do have a right to impose naval blockades, you know). The true culprit here (apart from Hamas, of course) is the charming Turkish PM, that seems to be on course to making his country an hub for extremism and false Islamic propaganda.
I’ll bet Obama, Hillary, The Center for the new American Century etc are all sitting around trying to figure out exactly how to blame this mess on IMA-DINNER-JACKET.
God knows how, but the Iranians are gonna get tied into this somehow…LOL
@Bonn
God mate, I haven’t had a drink for awhile…Have one for me if your getting stuck into it.
Live press conference Israels premier minister
http://www.aftonbladet.se/webbtv/nyheter/utrikes/article7221256.ab
…These Israeli scumbags certainly do seem to be given a hell of alot of rope.
@TJ
Don’t mean to burst your bubble here mate, you seem like a passionate, caring person etc but I think it’s gonna be business as usual just between you and me. I’ve seen things like this happen..worse..And nothing ever really happens, that’s why i’m not upset. No point really.
Bonn raw whiskey? you gotta upgrade your intake–try some nice grappa
..Wouldn’t it be a spin out if they got itchy trigger fingers and let off a few nukes ?..Certainly be exciting..
Nobody’s going to Israel to destroy them, they’re doing a great job of it themselves. They’ve exhausted the world’s goodwill with their barbarity and blatant disregard of acceptable behaviour.
@ zaphodity
I Live in a country where i see peeps kill tey own brothers fer $$$$$$$$$
ya guys have no clue about 3rd world countrys do ya ??
LOL @ there will be peace when the Palis embrace it! what an incredibly stupid, asinine, cruel, inhuman and oh so typical statement from the Isaeli support groups—makes me sick to the stomach
..Scuse my French…
Well lol you can think whatever you want, either way calling me names and acting like children isn’t going to solve anything or have ANY effect on what the worlds going to do about this. All I can say is “sweet-fuck-all” lol as per usual.
@Brandon Sanks: I wonder about future of Canada, the United States and the United Kingdom. Will these nations stay united?
Hmm. If Faber and Celente are right, no. The US, as it stands, is ungovernable and is creaking along on tradition. Another commentator suggested that California alone will break into 3 or 4 parts. Fine by me.
@ TJ
I was off ta Poker
I just Gulped a Raw Whysky
But I will stay let me check first
Wassup n I am an anti semite or what ever tey wanna call me
Hic
but i gotta have a debate I feel debate is a good way 2 resolve arguements
@Bonn
Depends Bonn..on who i’d have to kill.
@TJ
“You are a shill and nothing less!”
I wouldn’t give him that much credit. I would guess simply a twelve-year-old or maybe thirteen. Just immature.
I don’t like Israel as much as the next guy but I think we need to be honest with ourselves here. Usually, nothing happens, Israel could practically shoot Obama and nothing would happen. Why do you think anything’s gonna be done now ?
Before I Go
Dear Zap and TJ
I would kill fer $$$$$$$$ if I 100 % knew I would’nt get caught
Tas human nature
Tees peeps are in tat position of untouchables
@harry_w
I don’t condone it, at all..All I know is if I was a soldier boarding a ship and 40-50 people started throwing petrol bombs, bashing me with metal bars etc i’d of shot them as well. Regardless of who they were or why they were there. To defend myself.
@Harry W
Israel left Gaza Unilaterally. There was no blockade of Gaza prior to the violent overthrow of the Palestinian Authority by Hamas. Hamas is sworn to Israel’s destruction. Simple facts. All countries can defend their citizens without scrutiny, except Israel.
The Palestininas, with the negotiation aid of Bill Clinton, were offered all of Gaza, the West Bank (with agreed to land swaps), East Jerusalem and $35billion in refugee compensation – Arafat rejected it. There will be peace when the Palestinians embrace it.
As I commented yesterday Israel = WW111
Welcome BONN, the cavalry arrives just in time to save us from the Mossad disinformation unit. Phew
@Brandon Sanks
I THOUGHT MEL GIBSON HAD THAT SORTED OUT ALREADY ?
@ zap,
Why do you have so much to say, mostly presuming to justify the use of deadly force by Israeli forces, when you claim you have yet to reach a judgement? Is it just for attention? All you’ve done is waffle and you haven’t provided any examples to back up your assertion that this Israeli action to storm a ship in international waters was perfectly normal.
I think another few % of Europeans will conclude that Israel is an international pariah state, which the EU should not be doing business with. Is suspect this will continue Turkey’s drift away from NATO as the cornerstone of it’s security policy and the EU as it’s preferred trading partner.
The US may be put in the position of shaming itself yet again, by using its UN Security Council veto to indulge Israel’s use of force, and it’s ongoing blockade of Gaza. It may be losing another ally in Turkey, because of its slavish indulgence of Israel’s endless atrocities.
Have a few soda’s between drinks, your starting to sound like an emotional idiot.
Do anybody think Scotland will ever be independent? I think they are much more likely than Wales. Will Ireland ever be united?
@TJ
What are you gonna do TJ ? Jump in a rubber dingy with your guns and ammo, row all over the way to Israel and single handedly free the oppressed Palestinians ? lol that reminded me of something but nevermind. Is that what your gonna do ? no, your not are you ? you’ll be here, same bat channel, same bat time six months from now OUTRAGED over something new.
Well of ta Poker I’d hate to get into an argument wit an Idiot
made 80 K:-)
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ROFL
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All digital nonsensense
But I love it
@ zaphodd
Israel bashing? NOT
I’m defending those brave people of the flotilla who you’re attempting to paint as criminals who must be cross-examined to determine why they defended themselves.
You are a shill and nothing less!
I am nice and Drunk now
Who is tat fuk face who asked ya not to cover Israeli crimes
Ya Bitch ya days are numbered
Hic
We seek the truth Do you have a problem with that ???? ya M **** Censored *******
lololololol
PE
Pre End of script ;-> ya livin in LALA land if ya tinks we have’nt figured out ta truth
ROFL
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@TJ
If your “sensible conversation” includes mindless feral rants and Israel bashing etc, then please feel free to do so but count me out.
oops
I meant HERE, at Max Keiser dot com
@ Zaphodd “Somehow I don’t think so. But as I said, we’ll see.”
And that proves you’re only hear to spoil any sensible conversation.
I’m just very curious to see how this will be spun…Most plebs will have forgotten all about this in 6 months time probably. Not saying I hope that happens, it’s about time Israel got it’s ass kicked. BUT they have nuclear weapons, VERY important fact. And as long as they do, nothing will happen.
I could start ranting about the U.S.A. invading Iraq, but I won’t cooler heads prevail and all that..You have to imagine the world is like living in a bad neighborhood. Everyones out for themselves, people join gangs, families argue amongst themselves, shit basically happening all the time..world’s no different.
Dear Stacy, Please don’t point out that we’re murdering psychopaths with no regard for non-Jewish life. Hitler, Hitler Nazis.
Dear Jewish reader, You got it. I’m sure it was the Nazis that made you do this, and why you can’t sign the NPT, but the murdering is getting pretty blatant, so I’ll mention nazis and neanderthals before mentioning the murders.
What you don’t seem to grasp is that this means WAR.Maybe not today or tomorrow but soon. Those pithy comments of yours do nothing but ridicule a genuine effort to give real help to an oppressed people.
Somehow I don’t think so. But as I said, we’ll see.
I can tell there’s some hyped up on Israel meth dudes here lol…Worlds a big bad place man..This kinda shit happens everywhere all the time…Remember that uprising the yanks helped fund in Georgia ? Well a family friend who was visiting who was in the S.A.S. was watching news reports on it so I asked his opinion on it, being that he would have gone to places like that and done god only knows what kinda fucked up shit, scuse my french. He said, and I quote ” AHH that, perfectly normal, happens all the time”
@ zaphodd
What you don’t seem to grasp is that this means WAR.Maybe not today or tomorrow but soon. Those pithy comments of yours do nothing but ridicule a genuine effort to give real help to an oppressed people.
Turkey has won new friends and I’m one of them.
@norcalkid,
You nailed it.
@ zaphodity
So you agree a crime has been committed! It’s actually a 180 degree change from what you’ve been spouting Aussie. The facts remain that people were killed, ergo no longer alive. Look, don’t take it personally zap…i just think what you were saying your thoughts were odd considering what facts were already out there. I believe in self defense by all means, but the killers couldn’t possibly take that stance. Unless that is, that 10,000 tons of food and aid in the hands of the hungry, sick and poor will become a giant boot to the face of Israel. In that case, I see how this invasion/murder over international waters makes perfect sense.
I wanna know all the details before I make a decision. I wanna know the laws etc. THEN i’ll pass judgement. But you have to look at this realistically, what do you thinks REALLY gonna happen about all this ? I tell you what I thinks gonna happen. There’s gonna be strong words, visits by Presidents, Prime Ministers, the press will spin it towards Israels favor and 3 months from now it’ll be forgotten…Like it ALWAYS is.
The goods were to be delivered to Gaza, the prison-statelet Israel keeps under blockade since evacuating it’s occupying forces. The mission was to break Israel’s blockade on Gaza, so Israel used maximum force to halt this effort and terrorise anyone else thinking of challenging their blockade.
The Israeli armed forces bomb Gaza and send in their assassins whenever it suits them, regardless of whether a few poxy fireworks get thrown back in the other direction.
Care to give a rough death toll from Palestinan and Israeli attacks in and out of Gaza?
Truth is, Israel holds Gaza as an open prison, like their own Warsaw Ghetto for Palestinians. They use any pretext to shoot them like fish in a barrel.
Israel fostered Hamas in Gaza as an opposition to the PLO (later PLA), then shot the Palestinian Authority to pieces after they aborted the (Oslo) peace process. Clinton helped set up the Palestinians for that with his Camp David stunt, ever since Zionist have been whining about having ‘no partner for peace’ when they’ve attacked every party who’s sought to negotiate with them.
Hamas picked up the pieces after Israel discredited the PLO’s strategy of negotiating for a settlement and massacred Palestinians by the thousand after they’d stirred up the ‘second intifada’, which started in response to Israel’s endless expansion of it’s illegal colonial settlements and Ariel Sharon’s provocations around the Temple in Jerusalem.
Don’t really like either group…Pals and Isrealies…BUT I HATE BULLIES.
Hence my whole F*ck Isreal feeling…Remember what they did in Lebanon a few years back supposedly over 2 soldiars?…Bombing the cities of your neighbors who don’t really mess with you is what I consider “Bad Policy”…Once a fan of Isreal I now can’t stand them and their whiny selfish ways.
This can go on forever…”Well someone there launched a rocket at us…So we bombed them but accidently hit a school…So they launched more rockets at us…So we bombed them and accidently hit the water purification plant.etc etc etc”
They use TOO much force…No one likes a bully.
Debt-induced stress continues for many Americans – In spite of brighter economic outlook, many people still feeling stress over debt, joblessness http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Debtinduced-stress-continues-apf-3901868787.html?x=0&sec=topStories&pos=8&asset=&ccode=
“Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. Und wenn du lange in einen Abgrund blickst, blickt der Abgrund auch in dich hinein.” – Aph. 146- F. Nietzsche
He who battles with monsters must take care that he does turn into a monster. And when you look into an abyss for a long time, the abyss also looks back into you. (Jenseits von Gut und Böse- Aphorism 146)
As time goes on, Nietzsche is looking strangely more and more prescient, and less like just a nutcase.
Israel has become that which it fought: the Palestinians are the people in the Warsaw ghetto, and their attackers are the Jews. No amount of spin can change the truth.
@Paul
Calm down dude.
@Paul
I agree it’s a crime what has happened, but lets not rush in and grab the pitch forks just yet. Calmer heads always prevail, be cool man.
@ zaphodity
I’m expressing an opinion of your pussy shit stance. Tell you what, you invade my house, you will get shot. You somehow shoot me first, and you get away with it, good on you. You get apprehended by the authorities, you will be arrested and found guilty.
@TJ
Please Google the word “forum” and tell me what it means. This is kind of like it.
@TJ
May I ask which country your from TJ ?
@TJ
I could also say the same thing.
@ Ingrid
It’s a question not a comment!
I am utterly in shock that there’s people in defense of murder. It’s also a bit insulting seeing this “let’s wait and see the facts” routine. What corpse of an excuse can roll in from the fog to make it all make sense? It’s a dead premise. People were killed, over and out. Oh, maybe the folks on the boat shouted racial epithets. Well, then…shoot away.
@Paul
What art ? Anyways I agree it’s not a good situation and regardless of you thinking i’m a pussy while you type like a man behind a computer screen is of no consequence also. We’ll see how this is handled by people who make the decisions. Regardless of how strongly you feel about this or dislike my opinion makes no difference on what’s going to happen. You don’t like my opinion because it doesn’t agree with yours, tough shit, be a big boy and deal with it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Henning_Mankell
That’s who he is. IIRC he was on one of the boats.
@zaphodd
This thread is about the death and torture of innocents, not satisfying your curiosity. Write something sensible for once. Go ahead, surprise me.
@TJ
“How is the weather in Tel Aviv”
LOL – another intelligent comment from TJ
@ zaphodity
As much as I appreciated your good wishes on my art debuting…I have to ask you what facts do you need? Crimes were committed over international waters. Your flimsy premise of “people board ships all the time” is totally pussy shit rationale.
Did anyone here reference the Goldstone report yet?
It needs to be mentioned in relation to this incident.
It is very much related.
It shows a trend.
http://www.google.nl/#hl=nl&source=hp&q=goldstone+report&aq=0&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=goldstone+&gs_rfai=&fp=ddb439d8d21d13f2
Eurozone banks face 195 billion euro writedowns to end 2011: ECB http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64U3DG20100531
Sounds to me like these guys might of did this just to stir up some shit.
…As I said, cant base a decision without the details..How about lets keep it to the ship and what happened there and not focus on Gaza etc…That’s what this thread is about.
Good Stuff!
Finaly a full Lecture of Marc Faber 1:07:46 instead of the fast snippits on Fox, CNBC etc. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0sS6a9RW2E
@harry_w
No, I cant say with any accuracy how i’d handle a situation like that. It’s their country, mind your own business. No, most ships are boarded depending on a situation, usually regardless if the captain likes it or not. Stop the ship or we open fire..Sound familiar ?
YOu know, 10,000 tons of food an aid is something to be concerned about. You get that 10,000 tons of food and aid to the hungry, sick, and poor, and they might eat, get healed, and prosper. Then they might become that next generation of able bodied that can cause an uprising. Yeah, I see how Israel can be concerned about 10,000 tons of food and aid now. Such long term thinking. So much so, they have to cut them off at the pass in international waters.
Who’s Henning Mankell ?
@ Ingrid
How’s the weather in Tel Aviv?
If they had shot Henning Mankell I’d be very pissed off.
@Ingrid
And now for some nerve calming comedy !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDwsBv-jjQU
Pauline “PLEASE EXPLAIN” Hanson. You have to be an Aussie to understand this.
@ zap,
Fight or flight are the two instinctive reactions. Unless or until you are in a similar life-threatening situation, you have no idea how you or anyone else would behave.
Perhaps you would cower in submission when faced with overwhelming force, others may differ.
The Israeli state flouts international law with impunity, it’s own law is devoted to building an Zionist apartheid state over as much Palestinian land as they can illegally occupy.
Most ships boarded in international waters happen with the captain’s knowledge (if not consent), they’re not raids in darkness by storm-troopers using lethal force all around them. Examples please, if you say it’s commonplace.
What part of international waters does anyone not understand? You come on board, you’ve committing a crime.
I wonder if this changes Max’s stance on illegal immigration…
Look for the Vatican to use the fear of secular Europeans of islam to win some converts or at least try to. The Church will betray themselves as the defenders of Western culture.
Why’s Stace remaining quiet ? It’s her site..I’d be going apeshit all I wan’t. Obviously she was quite upset when she wrote the introduction. By the way, i’m neither American right-wing, Israeli, whatever…I’m an Aussie.
@TJ
No I’m not – please explain
Video kinda reminds me of Left 4 Dead lol
@TJ
Look mate i’m on nobodies side here..I just wanna know what happened.
Germans to the front in Europe – Commentary: Other leading euro players take note http://www.marketwatch.com/story/germans-to-the-front-in-europe-2010-05-31
@Ingrid
“Those goods were to be transferred through Israel to Gaza after Israeli inspection -”
“Israel left Gaza unilaterally”
You are aware, of course, how these statements conflict.
You’d think people invading ships over international waters, getting shot, getting killed, and 10,000 tons of aid aboard would make the pages of Drudge Report…well…they did put some flimsy link to FT, I suppose.
Han Solovitz shot first.
One thing I cant understand is why are Israel and America almost joined at the hip ? Why are they so buddy buddy ? Is it because they helped set up Israel after WW2 with death camp refugees ? Is it because of the Jesus thingy ? I never have gotten a good answer for that one.
One thing I will say, this is DEFINATELY not gonna make the Israeli’s any friends soon…That’s for damn sure. Then again, they shoot protesters ALL the time near their fences, Americans, Dutch, Aussie etc. Be interesting to see how the politicians handle this little hot potatoe.
@TJ
Those goods were to be transferred through Israel to Gaza after Israeli inspection – this mission was a bash Israel mission and had nothing to do with good-will.
Israel left Gaza unilaterally and in return all they got in return were thousands of missiles at their southern towns. The over throw of the Palistinian Authority in Gaza by Hamas is what has led to Gazan Missery – How would the USA deal with Mexico/Canada if it was sworn to USA demise and fired 1000′s of rockets at it?
TJ transfer your goods to Gaza through Egypt and see how far they get?
If your’e concerned about Gaza, look at both side of the story – far more productive than simple Israel bashing.
@TJ
Thing you fail to admit is that if Americans are among the list of the dead then the situation and how it will be taken care of will change considerably. Be honest here.
Han Solovitz shot first.
“Turkey threatens action; Israel on alert”
Is that verified any where els?
And what of Turkey
http://seeker401.wordpress.com/2009/10/15/turkey-makes-a-new-friends-and-a-new-enemy/
@TJ
Try to relax dude. Everybody has their opinion, PLEASE try to deal with it like an adult.
Consumer spending and incomes fall; savings rise (AP) http://www.csnews.com/csn/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1004094631
@ zaphodd
The impossibility of delivering a proper bitchslap on a forum motivates me to simply call a spade a spade. Maybe you should start your own blog instead of clogging this space with utter nonsense.
Fact of the matter is I don’t really care about Israeli’s, Americans WHATEVER…I’d just like to know more..Specifically what nationality were the victims.
How many yanks got blown away ? I’m not spoiling or trolling by asking that because that will change things considerably if some where.
Well,Nato,what are you gone do to Israel!
Are we gona have a Patriot act,against Israel,or is like always,Israel have a Charta Blance,to murder who ever the want!
Damn,they had knifes,so you had to kill them,peace keepers,with knifes?
Where do we go from here,we cant get lower,we cant live with Israel and United States,killing who they want,
Obama Bin Laden,we can change,and we will change this planet,we will take it back,you got the message,white trash in black skin,murder,simpel murder,with the glory of The Nobel shit price,why did they give him a peace price,the man is all about war,and stupidety!
Danish Briclayer,mad as hell!
When civilians are murdered by goverment forces, their political views or motivations are of no importance. It is an attack against all free thinking people and all who seek freedom.
?
I think you guys spend wayyyyyy too much time on the inter-web-net-thingy.
@ Ingrid
You don’t get off that easily.
I want those people in Gaza supplied and left in peace. What’s your agenda?
@TJ
Please don’t get offended TJ, it’s really not worth it. If the army dudes are in the wrong then fine, if the crew are well that’s fine too. Don’t get feral on me just yet.
a lot of the comments here are paid by israeli and zionist money
everybody knows that jews controll the media,just google it….
or iamthewitness.com
This is kinda deja-vu creepy because my mumsy has just left on a 3 week cruise lol Not going anywhere near the Middle East this time I think though.
@zaphodd
You are either a SPOILER or a MORON TROLL!
@TJ
Those who don’t share your views are propagandists? – try posting something intelligent.
@zaphodity – Israel attacked the ship first by boarding it. The activists defended themselves and they’re boat as best as they could but the person with the biggest gun prevailed.
@Ingrid – crew members were NOT armed. As previous youtube link posted by zaphodity shows, they may have managed to disarm some soldiers AFTER being attacked. The IDF spokesperson has on they’re own website said that the only weapons found were the Israelis own which they brought with them during the attack.
I’m not here to spread anything, i’m just curious to find out more information so I can better base my opinion. Stop being so paranoid, your really not that worth it. I’m sure Mossad has better things to do than use the majority of its force to patrol the Max Keiser website.
@harry_w
Yes, even a moron like Marx understands Keynes is an idiot!
@zaphodity
Dude, just call in and make your reservation for the FEMA camp. You’re hopeless.
@Tony
Good questions, I dunno mate, as I said I don’t have all the info. Ok wait a minute…How many yanks got shot and killed ?
@ Ingrid
Do you simply believe Israeli propaganda or are you here to SPREAD IT?
Go Stacy!
Go Stacy!
Go Stacy!
Tell it like it is!
@Palantíri
No it’s not the wrong conclusion to make, as I said i’m going by the stuff i’ve seen and read.
Lets say your in your house and the cops bust in do you:
A) Start bashing them immediately with the nearest blunt metal instrument
B) Do as your told and follow instructions they give you ?
They have GUNS remember. Think carefully now.
@Harry W
Crew members were armed – since when do weapons get through customs if not deliberately? Soldiers were attacked and responded – why do spew your lies ?
How about, why didn’t the Isrealis just simply block the boat from docking?
Why send commandos to attack and subdue an aid ship?
Why is the urgency?
- That’s totally wrong conclusion to make, the provokers are the invading Israeli military, not the activists who is trying to defend themselves against the attack.
Who attacked who first ?
..If you do, then dont piss and moan when you get shot..
But @zaphodity, “If they started hitting them with metal bars and chairs unprovoked well the soldiers are trained to respond and in this case it APPEARS to be self defense.”
- That’s totally wrong conclusion to make, the provokers are the invading Israeli military, not the activists who is trying to defend themselves against the attack.
Why are you spouting Israeli propagandists’ lies?
I’m not, I want all the facts before I base an opinion…Regardless of how much you hate Israel (personally I don’t give a shit either way) but you have to look at this from a lawful point of view because that’s how the Israeli government will look at it.
Boats get stopped and boarded by armed guards in international waters ALL the time. When they do it’s not a good idea to start bashing armed soldiers over the head with metal bars.
Stacy,
Thank you for having the courgage to do this. On Huffington Post, a poster can get banned (I have been) for criticizing Israel.
The AIPAC in the US runs the government. Anyone who tries to run for office, must grovel and show absolute alliegence to Israel.
I was one of the early signators of the petition regarding 911. Our office in Olympia, WA was visited by “Israeli Art Students” a couple of years ago casing the place out. I emailed Wayne Madsen investigative journalist, and asked him about the Israeli Art Student angle. He said they are an intelligence gathering group of Israelis operating in the FBI he also said that he would not trust Huffington Post. After that, we have received in the mail periodicals out of the blue, which were sympathic to Zionism and that no one should criticize the state of Israel..
Six months ago, while working in our Law Office, I got a call from a person from a phone booth saying they had been thrown off the subway in Olympia (we don’t have subways) because they were “Jewish, you know, JEW” this said with obvious venom. The message couldn’t more clear, we know where you live, we know where you work, don’t criticize Israel.
This is what is happening in the US. This is the weapon of “anti semite” and fear that Israel uses. Southern Poverty Law Center is rife with these people targeting Ron Paul, Rand Paul, Alex Jones. Just listen to James Trafficant’s interviews and understand how powerful these people are.
This video really exposes what the state of Israel has become and our government is silent because they have been co-opted.
The Israelis stormed the boat by force, in international waters.
They took the passengers prisoner and used deadly force to overcome and deter any resistance to their own use of violence.
Yes well that’s true and i’m sure it’ll be taken into consideration but the average person would be scared shitless if a load of armed commando’s flew in, landed on the boat, started pointing guns and barking orders.
In situations like that you do as your told.
@Ingrid, they weren’t armed as Turkish authorities searched them all and the cargo.
The only arms involved were those of the Israeli armed forces storming a ship and taking prisoners in international waters.
Why are you spouting Israeli propagandists’ lies?
…Need more details baby, gotta dot my “i”‘s and cross my “t”‘s..
Geithner Rushes to Sabotage German Derivatives Ban; Schäuble Prepares New Moves Against Speculators by Webster G. Tarpley http://tarpley.net/2010/05/27/geithner-rushes-to-sabotage/
Will Europe’s financial crisis spread? Vid http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVryPHJZokw
The Israelis stormed the boat by force, in international waters.
They took the passengers prisoner and used deadly force to overcome and deter any resistance to their own use of violence.
@TJ
Why were those supposedly on a humanitarian mission armed?
They passed through Turkish customs, did they not?
What was the temperament of the crew ? had they been drinking ?
If on the other hand they got aboard and then started shooting people for no reason then that’s murder.
The fascist government that runs Israel would do well to attend to the rapidly changing power structure in the region. Recently, Turkey, with a modern military, once an ally, has switched allegiances and is now warning Israel vis-à-vis it’s behaivor. The US military is bogged down and broke. Russia and China have strong interests there and strong trade ties with Iran. When one examines the number of soldiers & reserves, the numbers are as folllows:
Egypt 1,109,000
Iran 3,675,000
Israel 629,000
Lebanon 85,000
Syria 536,000
Turkey 1,075,000
One may say, so what. Israel has nukes. So do Russia and China. Any nuclear detonation in the region because of the wind pattern would contaminate China. Both China & Russia are stretching their reach in the area. Israel’s government would be prudent to make peace.
I had to watch Press TV to get coverage of the demonstrations in London (Whitehall, and now the Israeli embassy). Al Jazeera of course had reporters on board the ship, their fate still unknown.
The western networks (BBC, CNN, Sky & Fox) seemed very reluctant to give full coverage until much later. Perhaps they were watching their viewing figures dropping by the minute? Most western networks seem to heavily filter coverage and contributers, and often end up simply interviewing desk-bound reporters and ‘think tank’ propagandists rather than interviewing witnesses or getting their cameras in the right place to capture events as they happen.
France24 now report a demonstration of hundreds on the Champs-Élysées, with police using tear gas.
Not enough details to form a opinion. Lets just say if there was a riot like that at a pub, 40-50 people against 12 cops, bashing them with iron bars etc you can sure as shit bet they’d open fire on em’. I’m not taking anyones side here i’m giving an opinion based on evidence I have (which isn’t very much).
If they started hitting them with metal bars and chairs unprovoked well the soldiers are trained to respond and in this case it APPEARS to be self defense.
“Did they land on the boat then start shooting or did they get attacked first THEN start shooting ?”
I don’t know, but I’ve got a bad feeling you’re not going to make it very far into the collapse.
“No need to get “snooty” darling. Just relax.”
Friad she’z gut too much resist-stance to the current, Zaphoddity. She’s all lit up like a lightbulb!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-mHLvtGjum4
i find people who are critical of who you are quoting, rather than what is being stated to be suspect. they seem to have an agenda which does not include a rational exchange of ideas.
Israel is a terrorist state. End of Zionism = Peace.
@ Ingrid
That is one foolish comment you’ve posted. Perhaps you’ve never crossed swords with a bully before.
I agree, obviously the better decision is to just let them shoot you
No, depends on the situation. If they landed aboard and just started opening up on people then I can understand but if they just started bashing armed commando’s as soon as they got on board, well then they were asking for it.
it’s really damp in this basement. i wish mom would buy a dehumidifyer
@Tony
Did they land on the boat then start shooting or did they get attacked first THEN start shooting ?
How do we know they were going to open fire ? Looks to me like self defense man. Did the crew attack first ? So many unanswered questions. Where they defending themselves after being fired upon ? Can’t have a decent discussion without all the facts..Just the facts ma’am.
I believe both people have a right to exist.
ECB Considers End to Loose Money http://www.benzinga.com/10/05/307245/ecb-considers-end-to-loose-money
What kind of a mission to Gaza loads a boat up with people carrying guns,
knives, bats – the Turks are responsible for the dead. Israel had already promised to deliver all goods to Gaza. What a sick publicity stunt by Ergodan
FT.com / Brussels – ECB considers end to easy money
http://www.zerohedge.com/article/israeli-defense-forces-release-video-violence-aboard-turkish-ship – from ZeroHedge – Israeli Defense Forces Release Video Of Violence Aboard Turkish Ship
@ Sir David Rottentrousers
While your only contribution is to illustrate your ignorance of Marx, who is quite enlightening on the current [credit] crisis of capital (See Capital Vol.3 Ch.27-31), and to be personally insulting towards another poster.
Is the arrogance simply compensating for your ignorance?
http://www.marxists.org/archive/marx/works/1894-c3/ch30.htm
That’s Marx on a ‘credit crunch’ and anticipating bailouts, relating it to the productive economy and the related class interests.
Do you have anything to contribute to our knowledge of the ongoing financial crisis (other than antipathy for Marx)?
@ zaphodity
“Not very smart hitting people with guns.”
I agree, obviously the better decision is to just let them shoot you.
Some of the crew seem to be armed with what appears to be Light Sabers ?
not good. http://uruknet.com/?p=m66511&hd=&size=1&l=e
There should be no bar to a real investigation into the Israeli attack on an aid ship. Speaking of investigation, Why isn’t BP under criminal investigation? (Same reason, I guess)
West, who Truthout profiled in an investigative report last week about the Bush administration’s apparent scuttling of West’s criminal probe into BP in 2007, was harshly critical of the way the disaster has been handled by the government. He said in an interview that BP and the oil conglomerate’s executives are “known as liars” and the fact that the government has treated “and continues” to treat the company with kid gloves is “outrageous.”
“BP is a convicted serial environmental criminal,” West said. “So, where are the criminal investigators? The well head is a crime scene and yet the potential criminals are in charge of that crime scene. Have we learned nothing from this company’s past behavior?”
http://www.parenting-healthy-children.com/Parenting.xml
@ Stacy
Neanderthals? Ignorant f*%ks? Provocateurs?
Ok, children. In light of Isreal’s latest, um, misadventure, we have decided to allow a bit of mild criticism of their actions. Your remarks must be extremely politically correct and zero tolerance will be afforded any deviations from accepted protocol.
Good, now have fun and remember discussions about the motivations of the Isreali government are to be limited to a historical context not to exceed 10 years.
The Coming Economic Catastrophe – We ain’t seen nothin’ yet, says Marc Faber at the Mises Circle on Austrian economics and finance http://www.lewrockwell.com/faber/faber67.1.html
@frances snoot
Frances “Snooty”
No need to get “snooty” darling. Just relax.
Israel when you add in the arabs in Israel and the West bank and Gaza it will have more Arabs than Jews within 10 years. We need a peacefull settlement or we will have a war that will make Yugoslavia look like a day at the beach.
geez, i’m pro zion, but this is criminal outrage and intl provocation. israel must face the evil they do to Palestine. but they don’t do it on their own. israel will only have a true awakening if it’s hand in hand with Palestine’s.
peace
More footage:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gYjkLUcbJWo
Not very smart hitting people with guns. Can’t vouch for the video being authentic.
U.K.: Retail sales show surprising drop http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=173096.0
It would seem that self-defence is no excuse against armed marauding interlopers. The people of the flotilla were supposed to shut up and take it, much the way our governments treat us daily. The aggressors are now presented as victims, form your own opinion and boycott accordingly..
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomacy-defense/israeli-commandos-gaza-flotilla-crew-tried-to-lynch-us-1.293089
@ScuseMe
Hope y’all don’t mind Cleetus answerin’ fur Steller. She gone wandered off to traispin’ to buy some book called the Poetics of Space.
Yep. Space is one wurd fur it.
@ZavOditties:
Y’all better not ask Steller to translate nuthin’ seein’ as she’s got that brain squashed-like with them rocks a’rattlin’ like gravel under my truck ti-ares.
I’m sorprised she can even wawlk a strait line.
She’s most probable sayin’ that if yur sure of the outcome, then why bother askin’. Else, thatz the line she uses fur me when I wantsta tawlk bout gold.
She says “truth” is fixed in the mind of the beholder like molasses on a bent spoon.
Not sure if anyones seen this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE&has_verified=1&has_verified=1
Wolfgang Schäuble: “I’m convinced the markets are really out of control” http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=173093.0
“I’m convinced the markets are really out of control. That is why we need really effective regulation, in the sense of creating a properly functioning market mechanism.”
“…the danger of disconnection between financial transactions and real economic activity.”
““A market does not function properly if the risks and rewards are completely unbalanced,” he says. “We need transparency”
“We must regulate over-the-counter transactions, and we must also focus on the ratio of financial transactions to the real exchange of goods and services. They bear no relationship to each other.”
Whose truth, Casper? Humans believe in all kinds of truth, most of which is a counter indication to free inquiry.
Can I have that in layman terms please ?
..Have they released a list of names of people who got smoked ? Only reason I ask is because important title/names will have more “pull” on certain “strings”.
Well..if the past is any indication, i’m not sure a whole lot will come of this. The Israeli’s are selfish little shits with big daddy U.S.A. on their side. Should be VERY interesting to see how this pans out.
@mep
that was the incident that involved former congresswomen cynthia mckinney; she was in custody for a while
…I’m a VERY open minded asshole
…I may be an asshole, but i’m not ignorant or insensitive.
Wait, wasn’t there an “accident” involving Israeli ships ramming a Palestinian aid ship months ago?
The Israelis are pathetic cowards . . . I’d like to see them go after a group of people who were actually well-ARMED for a change, and we can see how that works out for them. Don’t get me wrong, I’m all for peaceful protest and non-violence. Sometimes is just gets old watching non-violent people get murdered and attacked is all.
I certainly won’t be upsetting Ms Stacy in this particular thread, I somehow sense she might feel very strongly about this subject (proceed with caution)
Furthermore i’m not very happy about it myself.
Hmm, after seeing this video clip: http://www.nrk.no/nyheter/verden/1.7147093 it is possible that the activists did take pistols away from the soldiers that landed on the top deck.
@Karsten:
Palestine has no boundaries: Israel can’t make a war declaration against a state without a homeland.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_of_Palestine
Your velcome @Frans,we got to stand up now!
Problem is…Israel finally had the chance to create some goodwill in the world after their massacre of Palestinans a year ago. Again they failed miserably. I think that the NAVO and EU can’t do anything else than declare war to Israel, as they attacked a friendly nation/ship/civilians in International waters.
Still waiting for the Al-Qaida connection …or Iran connection.
I forgot their freinds,C!F!R, Countless Failures Rules !
A Cheney,Halliburton got work coming in Israel,you will get a fat bone there,maybe of a child burned with white fosfor,from your stok?
@Karsten:
Thanks: saves me to write a comment, fully agree!!
Do we not believe in TRUTH?
Whose truth, Casper? Humans believe in all kinds of truth, most of which is a counter indication to free inquiry.
Well,so far its 15 killed,and in international waters,this has to be considered,a declaration of war,no more and no less!
Looks like the Israelis,forgot the second world war!
But what they have done over the past 60 years to the Palestinians,will not be forgoten!
It will be interesting,to se the nobel club,The unUnited Nations,reaction and what kind of stupid excuse(al Qaeda) furball odball and curveball fotball!
Damn them,there god? forgot them in Germany,and he wont help them now!
It has been accepted,for decades,this must be the end,they are the worst terror group,on this planet,and no,im not a Nazi!
Peace comes from us the people,nowhere els!
And US,will kiss the Israelis as,like they always do,yes Whitewater Hillariesly Cleptomania Clinton,Haitis savier,go to the dumpster in the gulf,the oil dumpster,and get greased,and i will lent you a match!
Remember the words,there wil nevver be a German under arms?Forgotten lies!
of topic but wow. http://www.zerohedge.com/article/german-president-resigns-effective-immediately
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tV6u97beANs
fuck this is a dangerous situation.
Exactly the scenarion in the James Bond Move Tomorrow Never Dies (1997) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tomorrow_Never_Dies
Media baron Elliot Carver (Jonathan Pryce), head of the Carver Media Group Network (CMGN), begins his plans to use the encoder to provoke war between China and the United Kingdom. As the existing Chinese leadership is not receptive to giving Carver Media Group Network exclusive broadcast rights in their country, Carver wants to use a war to eliminate them in favor of politicians more friendly to his plans. Meaconing the GPS signal using the encoder, Gupta sends the frigate HMS Devonshire off-course in the South China Sea, where Carver’s stealth ship and its crew plan to steal a number of its missiles[4]. Carver’s henchman, Stamper (Götz Otto), sinks the frigate with a sea drill and shoots down a Chinese J-7 fighter jet sent to investigate the British presence, and then the men aboard the stealth ship kill the Devonshire’s survivors with Chinese weaponry. Thinking they have been attacked by the Chinese, Admiral Roebuck deploys the British Fleet to recover the frigate, and possibly retaliate, leaving M only forty-eight hours to investigate its sinking.
greece cancels. http://beta.thehindu.com/news/international/article442534.ece
Torpedo was a German one not a North – Korean or Chinese.
Wayne Madsen Reports Why South Korea Ship Attack was a False Flag Event on Alex Jones Tv http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gazUrJvca-0
Religion is the scourge of humanity.
Dr. Alan Sabrosky, former director of studies at the US Army War College says: Mossad, Jewish neo-cons, and Israelis orchestrated 9/11 attack
http://911falseflagarchive.blogspot.com/2010/03/dr-alan-sabrosky-former-director-of_19.html
Glad to see Press TV getting some much overdue respect.
Iraq invasion brought Al Jazeera English to the fore (when we were doing our films there, Bush bombed and killed an AJE journalist in Baghdad).
This weekend’s Israeli slaughter should pique people’s interest in Press TV.
the MKC community – by supporting Press TV – has hopefully helped the trend build – away from the FoxNews/CNN type propaganda – toward the type of honest journalism we’ve been able to present via PTV.
Keep it up!
Obama..”Did you destroy western civilzation yet, daddy?”
@Snoot. it seems everything is well known these days. if they say so.
Inflation in the 16 EU-memeber states who have the Euro:
In May 1.6% Inflation.
That’s lower than the 2% target inflation that the ECB has set.
In April the Inflation was 1.5% Inflation.
The use of the term ‘alqaida’ or ‘alqaeda’ has an interesting history: relative to the idea of non-state enemy according to Rickard declaratory ‘tweet’. One wonders if the birdbrains who tweet such nonsence understand the relevance of the term? It is being used to forward industrial capital interests veering on neo-colonial murder/rape/mayhem designate through the power of the G20 in favor of private bank profit for elite families.
Here’s the root of the word:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2002/aug/24/alqaida.sciencefictionfantasyandhorror
“Science fiction has often featured “evil empires” against which are set utopian ideas whose survival must be fought for against the odds by a small but resourceful band of men. Such empires often turn out to be amazingly fragile when faced by intelligent idealists. Intelligent idealists who are also psychopaths might find comfort in a fictional role model – especially one created by a novelist famous for castigating that “amiable dunce” Ronald Reagan: the president who prosecuted the CIA’s secret war in Afghanistan.”
Is Rickards one of those resourceful men? If so, he’s fighting with the wrong team. Alqaeda was an invention of the CIA.
http://polidics.com/cia/top-ranking-cia-operatives-admit-al-qaeda-is-a-complete-fabrication.html
@Dedo. i wonder how many comments stacy had to delete.
@ Snootsky
Wow, I’m shocked they believe anyone buys their crap…
@Gordo
If the whole world would have taken Marx seriously, you wouldn’t be sitting in your parents basement right now with your Che t-shirt on, listening to RATM, and typing this garbage over the Internet….
@ronron,..I think you call them “radicals”,…(angry folk with an objective)
stacy has an interpreter. how nice.
The term ‘alqaeda’ is a whitewash for pro-Zionist aggression:
“The armada of hate and violence in support of [the] Hamas terror organisation was a premeditated and outrageous provocation. The organisers are well known for their ties with global jihad, al-Qaeda and Hama”
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10196351.stm
To censor any topic is to create a precedent, that diminishes free speech,…an insidious slope indeedy,………ah hum,..
@ Lloyd
A very interesting piece of law. It seems extraordinary to this European that the US forbids it’s citizens to exercise their right of boycott in a free market. On the other hand, the US compels them to boycott it’s own targeted states, and presumes to sanction others who decline to observe those boycotts.
@Frances,…..RE: New word of the day,..”obsequiousness”
Yep,..there’s a lot of that going around,.and around : )
@Stacy.. you go, girl!
Now, on your most recent podcast, you speak of “boneheads”.. No shit. Apparently some of them can’t read. Your message is 100% clear to me. But of course, I can read.
For those who can’t read, here is a catspeak translation: Stacy was told by some well meaning bonehead NOT to criticize Israel (ie., Zionism) because it would attract (a) Nazis and (b) crude Zionist appologists.. both of whom are apt to be disruptive to the proceedings. Stacy told the well meaning bonehead to FUCK OFF. She is saying she will do what she likes on her own website and if anyone don’t dig it they can fuck off and start their own website. She was saying if she wants to point out the crimes of Israel she will fucking well do so.. and if this attracts troublemakers, they will be banned from here.
I say.. RIGHT ON, STACY! Are we not humans? Do we not believe in TRUTH? Then.. let truth be told and fuck the difference!
@Casper,…..RE: “I’ve said all along there’s nothing to be gained in tolerating trolls and provos. Their aim is always to highjack the threads in order to disrupt and discredit the message. Liberal toleration of total assholes does nothing except fuck up your real fans who come here for information and truth, not hasbara (propaganda) of the imperialists.”
So, as long as we’re all in agreement on a subject (politically correct),..all is dandy,.huh ?
You’re more foolish than you look!!
@Frances,….Well done as always,…you’ve a knack of always getting to the root of the problem(Causation) rather than one of it’s symptoms ,….(Stacy, take note) ! : )
@Dedo:
Perhaps Stacy is hamstrung by a sense of loyality or obsequiousness for the likes of Rickards who declare that Al Qaeda is ‘our enemy’ according to some whisper in his ear from his G20 buddies.
John Perkins… Confession of an economic hitman!!!!
Right on, Stacy!!! I’ve said all along there’s nothing to be gained in tolerating trolls and provos. Their aim is always to highjack the threads in order to disrupt and discredit the message. Liberal toleration of total assholes does nothing except fuck up your real fans who come here for information and truth, not hasbara (propaganda) of the imperialists.
On the events in the Med.. the longstanding aim of the Zionist leadership is to increase their power. The main targets of Zionist activity is other Jews.. the Jewish people. For more than a hundred years the strategy of the ideologists of the Zionist cult has been to create anti-semitism because they understand it is that which drives the Jewish people into their hands. To deprive the Zionist fascists (identified as such by Einstein and the great Hannah Arrendt many years ago) of their power to manipulate the Jewish people, it is absolutely necessary to avoid the temptation of conflating Zionism with Jews in general. Many (if not most) of the most dedicated opponents of Zionist fascism are Jews. Therefore, attacking Jews in general works exactly as the cultists wish.
Besides which, of course, racism is just fucking stupid thinking. The genetic differences between the “races” are marginal at best. We share 95% of the same genetics as.. chimpanzees. It’s only the incompetent and the utterly worthless who resort to racism because they have nothing else to distinguish themselves. If I’ve got nothing else to distinguish me but the shape and size of my nose.. then it’s time to hang it up, Jim. Hang up the ol’ guitar and go out to the backshed and eat the gun.
FYI, it’s illegal to boycott Israeli merchandise.
http://www.bis.doc.gov/complianceandenforcement/antiboycottcompliance.htm
Here’s a guy who “sees” things,..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akm3nYN8aG8
TheRealNews — 31 May 2010 — F. William Engdahl: The German banks played casino with Wall Street and now demand austerity from Greece http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I77UwYM-884
Here’s how the story will be reported in the US press: The aid flotilla organizers have links to Hamas and al Qaeda and wanted a fight.
http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/05/31/gaza.protest/?hpt=T1
(Click on video of Israeli official expressing regret for loss of life.)
@Frances,….Well done as always,…you’ve a knack of always getting to the root of the problem(Causation) rather than one of it’s symptoms ,….(Stacy, take note) ! : )
HEY, Stay-Ceeeeeee: Did you mean by your disclaimer that Anti-Israeli comment would be considered “Anti-Semitism”?
This is ONE MORE provocation by Israel testing the validity of International Law, Admiralty Law and the notion that Somalis are wrong while the Zionist State of Israel is “Right”. Please See:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1282647/American-cage-fighter-rips-beating-heart-training-partner-fearing-possessed-devil.html
Israel’s actions in this incedent are an outrage. To counter one style of “Knuckle-Dragging” with another is futile, at best, since the level is lowered to the Israeli one, but OUTRAGE PROVOKES ANGER, Ms. Herbert. Ban me if that is pleasing, but at least acknowledge that this is a case of piracy and murder on the high seas.
SHALOM!
Stacy
way to go Stacy…..i agree with you 100%
Keep posting the TRUTH
There seems to be some misunderstanding about the definition of INTERNATIONAL WATERS…
it goes in stages…
12 Nautical miles is Territorial, a further 12 is the contiguous zone…
but International waters, proper, does not start until 200 Nautical Miles (Economic Zone) out from land…
“What people are saying about the G8/G20:
Kole Kilibirada from the Coalition Against Israeli Apartheid that is fighting to build a local and global boycott and divestment campaign against the government of Israel:
“Whether it was the G8′s complacency during Israel’s brutal 33-day war on the people of Lebanon in the summer of 2006, or its enthusiastic support for the more recent slaughter in Gaza in January 2009 – the G8 has repeatedly shown its willingness to continue criminalizing any expression of Palestinian self-determination while financing, arming and applauding the apartheid state of Israel.””
The bruises of the victims from the violent struggle clearly evidenced their agression..
Would we have killed them in cold blood if they where no threat?
They must have done something wrong to deserve such a savage attack..
http://mostlywater.org/toronto’s_communities_prepare_g8_and_g20_summits_0
“For Sabrina Gopaul, an organizer with LIFEmovement and Jane and Finch Action Against Poverty, the answer is clear: “Our people are hungry, they are jobless, we have few schools and lesser social services – all these attacks are a direct result of the G20 policies and we will protest against them. We have real community solutions on how to take care of each other, have good food, create economic opportunities and we will make sure that those are seen, heard and shared.””
Israel found weapon on-board the boat so says the IDF spokesperson and here’s apparently how:
“IDF forces apprehended two violent activists holding pistols. The violent activists took these pistols from IDF forces and apparently opened fire on the soldiers as evident by the empty pistol magazines.”
http://idfspokesperson.com/2010/05/31/pistols-found-on-flotilla-activists-31-may-2010/
Israel found weapons on-board, they’re OWN weapons which they themselves had to carry on-board the ship during the military invasion.
So in other words there were NO weapons on-board previous to the Israeli boarding massacre. Admitted from their own site.
It just makes the whole incident even more tragic.
I also think that the “activists took the pistols from IDF” is a bluff a desperate attempt of Spin, spin the situation.
I would’nt be surprised tat Kenya / Indonesia overnight get tee capability of puttin Sattelites in Orbits
ROFL
LOL
Hic
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0531/breaking21.html?via=rel
Does the Bank of Israel benefit from the message, “Al Qaeda is the enemy”?
Emancipate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0MmBe8sKaGQ
@Breasal
Waiting for someone to notice this.
USA’s official version a.k.a. “objective news” – (no wonder Americans are considered clueless -and most don’t bother to look beyond this official versions – otherwise they will be labeled with this or that epithet); alas – freedom of thought and speech in USA is just another rigged market
“Israel said commandos opened fire in self-defence and 10 activists were killed and 7 troops wounded”
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/22/20100531/tpl-uk-palestinians-israel-flotilla-comm-39349ed.html
“Israel said its commandos were attacked by knives, clubs and live fire from two pistols wrested from soldiers after they rappelled from a helicopter to board one of the vessels.”
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100531/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_israel_palestinians
“Washington said it deeply regretted the loss of life and was examining the circumstances that led to Monday’s killing of 10 of the mostly international activists…”
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/LDE64U16N.htm
“Ten dead as Israel storms aid ships, sparks outcry”
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE64T21820100531
snoot is correct!
Or I dunnos tey have so many marrages tis ruling Elite its hard to keep track
lolololololol
ROFL
hic
Errrr Emmmm
Father of Caroline Sarkozy de Ganay, Olivier Sarkozy de Ganay, Guillaume Sarkozy Mallah, Nicolas Sarkozy Mallah and Francois Sarkozy Mallah
de Ganay or Mallah ?????????? WTF
oh oks I tink de Ganay is fer chicks & Mallah is fer guys
Even we have tat here
Guys names end wit Singh women wit Kaurs/Corrs :-> Punjabi specific
Hic
Israel had declared war on the US by attacking and almost sinking the USS Liberty in 1967.( http://www.gtr5.com/index.html ) At that time the US government was ordered by their handlers to not engage.
http://www.geni.com/people/P%C3%A1l-Istv%C3%A1n-Ern%C3%B6-Sark%C3%B6zy-de-Nagy-Bocsa/6000000006666919006
Pál István Ernö Sarközy de Nagy Bocsa’s Details
Birthdate: May 5, 1928 (82)
************Birthplace: Budapest, Hungría **********************
Added by: Private User on Oct 25, 2009
Managed by: Contact the manager
Last Updated: Apr 2, 2010
Pál István Ernö Sarközy de Nagy Bocsa’s Family
Immediate Family: Husband of Christine de Ganay Blanchy and Andrée Jeanne Mallah
Father of Caroline Sarkozy de Ganay, Olivier Sarkozy de Ganay, Guillaume Sarkozy Mallah, Nicolas Sarkozy Mallah and Francois Sarkozy Mallah
Nice, Stacy. Israelis massacre innocents trying to stop a genocide and you lead with the objections raised by some zionist gatekeeper against allowing free discussion of their crimes–so your theme for the day is “stay in line, critics of Israel.”
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ERRR EMMM tears sometin known as Espoinage ?????? heard of it ????
lol
Hic
Man Idid’nt know Sarcozy Dad is hungarian & his biological Mom is Greek
So I guess we have only one Italian here so tis cool
Heard it on Tarpley checked it out on wiki learnt a lot
But is “Dadu” Mallah a greek name ???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Sarkozy
Aaron Benico Mallah’s Details
Birthdate: June 8, 1890
Birthplace: Tessaloniki, Grecia
Death: Died October 10, 1972 in Neuilly-sur-Seine, Isla de Francia, Francia
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Aaron Benico Mallah’s Family
Immediate Family: Son of Mordorai Mallah and Reyna Magriso
Husband of Adèle Bouvier
Father of Andrée Jeanne Mallah
http://www.geni.com/people/Aaron-Benico-Mallah/6000000006664501701
How ta hell did da French Elect a first generation French citizen
Twerps I tell yas
Tey tink we cant find out
lolololol
ROFL
Hic
PS tey should be a ruling fer all countrys ya gotta be @ least 3rd generation citezen to stand fer office ERRR EMMM tears sometin known as Espoinage ??????
@Brandon:
We are ruled by banks who dictate governance:
http://www.g20.org/
I wonder about future of Canada, the United States and the United Kingdom. Will these nations stay united? Especially in the case of Canada and the UK. Many people seem to believe that Scotland will become it’s own state within 25 years. Remember Scotland is ruled by Scottish law while England and Wales are ruled by English law. Quebec came very close to leaving Canada in 1995. The US is now more divided than ever on almost everything race, religion, ideology and the role of Government in general.
People will always attack Karl Marx because he had a way of getting to the truth about things.
@Stacy
Though a week ago Chapman had a marine on the phone saying Israeli soldiers where advising their family members to leave the Israel..
A doit wif an R,.rrrrr
http://www.piie.com/fischer/pdf/Fischer138.pdf
Fischer and Carney must feel like old friends!
A doit,……is one of dose robot thangs,..ain’t it ? : )
Ah, I get it, The US and Isreal hope to prevent Russia and Turkey from dominating the middle east (if you ever played Risk you know it is an important corridor)..So the incident is no accident and the conflict between T and I is one between C/R and U, cuttting off the medditeranian fuel route (the pacific is already cut off)..So the nukes may not be for Iran? Europe will get involved..NK takes its chances, Nightmare scenario, Un Merde incroyable….
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2010/may/31/us-hegemony-middle-east-ending
It gets weirder every day.
German Bundespräsident Horst Köhler steps down apparently for being
critizised.Does the former IMF president know something we don‘t know?
o.k., who knew what “adroit” means? show of hands
As long as Canada’s ’state to state’ aid is (on a per capita basis in the aid originating country) 1/10th to 1/20th of the US’s there is hope.
“Before joining the public service, Carney had a thirteen-year career with Goldman Sachs in its London, Tokyo, New York and Toronto offices. His progressively senior positions included co-head of sovereign risk; executive director, emerging debt capital markets; and managing director, investment banking. He worked on South Africa’s post-apartheid venture into international bond markets, and was heavily involved in Goldman Sachs’s work with the 1998 Russian financial crisis.[5]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Carney
fuck you, censorship alive and well on the truth speaker max keiser site!
@Mother – US issued those same sort of warnings upon its invasion of Afghanistan and then Iraq and then . . . creates illusion that the perpetrator of violence is the victim of that violence
@Sir Drt
Religion is a crutch, an excuse to justify anything, lets get real.
Take resposability and justify your own actions based on reality, not fairy tales.
Peak propoganda is driving people crazy.
shit is not icecream
Israel warns citizens to stay out of Turkey..
http://www.9and10news.com/Category/Story/?id=230626&cID=3
The forecasts are calling for a bad hurricane season this year in the Atlantic. You already see it in Central America this year with the Flooding from the seasons first named storm. A bad season like 2004 and 2005 will be a killer for the US economy.
Israeli government has issued a warning that all Israeli nationals should leave Turkey immediately.
While they are at it they should take the sayanims with them home.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayanim
In a way, being next to the US — Canada has limited choices here.
hahahahah
Didn’t your central bank head and Israel’s central bank head help tag-team Russia when the Friedmanites ruled the world, Bill Stewart the Conquering Moose-Man?
@”sir david”
are you cia?
this is old . http://www.haaretz.com/news/watch-turkey-pm-storms-off-stage-over-peres-remarks-on-gaza-1.267018
and use the gun to enforce them
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“As Mr. Netanyahu told Peter Mansbridge in an interview for Sunday’s edition of CBC’s The National [...] now describe Canada as Israel’s strongest supporter in the entire world.”
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In a way, being next to the US — Canada has limited choices here. Being an oil and gas producer does not help either, per Canada’s hope of a natural neutrality.
Also, there is the issue of being a supporter “In principal” vs “In practice” … in that the US has far superceeded Canada in the “In practice” department. Voting 100% in favor of Israel at the UN is not alone “In practice” but more “In principal” … etc …
As long as Canada’s ‘state to state’ aid is (on a per capita basis in the aid originating country) 1/10th to 1/20th of the US’s there is hope.
@white hunter
Quoting Karl Marx is neither enlightening nor adroit. All it does is show your age and where you cohabitate (your mom’s basement).
The people with the most valuable capital make the rules.
@Brandon – . . . the Vatican has made alot of mistakes in 2,000 years LOL. That’s a bit of an understatement.
Thank you Max and Stacy for your unflinching courage in the support of truth justice and freedom for all of humanity.
This latest Israeli attack is an outrage and may finally serve to remove the blinders from any one who is willing to see the truth!
Thank you for refusing to remain silent!
the people with the biggest guns make the rules
“Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people. “-Karl Marx
gallaway. http://www.ipadio.com/phlogs/Gaza_TVNews/2010/5/31/Gaza-TVs-phlog–17th-phonecast
dear jimbo,
the isaeli land wre stolen from the palestnian in 1948…
i recommend to you yo read
alan hart books about zionism and ilan pappe books.
in amazon
Religion has been used for the wrong reasons that is the problem. I’m a Catholic but will admit that the Vatican has made alot of mistakes in 2,000 years. Religion shouldn’t be used to dominate people. For centuries in Europe it was. A big reason why the US is alot more religious than Europe I think is because the US was always a secular state by law. Religion was never forced on people in the US. Not every American Christian worships at the altar of Pat Robertson, I certainly don’t.
“If the United Nations, European Union and the US administration cannot listen to the Middle East region’s leaders and prevent these atrocities against the Palestinian people, what hope do the democratic and peace loving populations of the world have against tyranny and aggression?”
I understand about Obama’s ‘clear-eyed’ acquiescence of the Gaza massacre in January 2009 (in collusion with the co-president Bush), but I don’t understand why the lens is not on the G20 actions.
http://electronicintifada.net/bytopic/687.shtml
“And while government leaders and US president-elect Barack Obama remained resoundingly silent over the ongoing massacres in Gaza (with the exception of Hugo Chavez in Venezuela, which removed Israel’s ambassador from the country), millions of people around the world have taken to the streets to express their solidarity with Palestinians under siege.”
http://palestinechronicle.com/view_article_details.php?id=14540
On board footage from RT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DSFwyWyVo74&playnext_from=TL&videos=H59gq1h8hDQ&feature=sub
Depression,
Since the beginning of man’s rule on the earth, we have been fighting each other. While it’s nuts it seems like that will bever change.
Religion is a virus that infects the mind and makes people crazy.
“From 2004 to 2008, the value of goods exported by Canada to Israel rose
52% to $582,870,000. During the same time period, the value of goods
imported to Canada from Israel rose 76% to $1,218,000,000.”
http://www.ontarioexports.com/israelandthewestbank2010/docs/how_to_do_business_in_israel.pdf
“The Canadian Forces have a good relationship with the Israel Defence Forces(IDF) and Israel Defence Industries. General W.J. Natyncyzk Chief of the Defence Staff (CDS) visited Israel recently for four days. Brigadier-General Jonathan Vance (recently Commander CF Brigade Group, Afghanistan) and General R.J. Hillier former CDS (now a Gowlings colleague) are scheduled to visit Israel this year and the list of favourable relations and Canadian counterparts or support groups and exchange at all levels of our Society goes on and on!”
@Snoop. yep were there new bestest friend.
@ DrepressionAlert.
Look what Germany has done afeter WW 2. Don’t be a devil’s advocate. there are already too many of them. Apologise sincerely, act within internation law , stop abusign the neibours, stop wormongering againt foreign nation and pay the compensation .And then press the new start button.
you do not have a right to say “forgive them”. I do not have such a right, either. Ony the bullied has a right to forgive the bully.
Y’all ya gotta hear Tarpley
http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/
Tiny Timmy was timid in China but went he went to EU he had a sense of “Arrogance of Imoptence not the arrogance of power- arrogance of power has long gone” he was strutin…….sometin sometin
I am para phrasin toe & I really was ROFLin
lololol
Hic
Open your eyes, Bill Stewart:
“As Mr. Netanyahu told Peter Mansbridge in an interview for Sunday’s edition of CBC’s The National, Stephen Harper has defined himself in Israeli eyes as a “champion” of the Jewish state’s right to defend itself. Some observers, Mr. Mansbridge noted, now describe Canada as Israel’s strongest supporter in the entire world.”
http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?id=3091039
@Redzera
You have a very good point. National psyche gets sick if the people in a society lives with constant fear and paranoia. More and more poeple sees the world in black and white, driving the society to the extrme. And it creats an untended ramification that there are lacks of reason and logic in the society. it becomes impossble to pursue and perform a fair and just system.
There is a good korean movie, “Sunshine” in which the director throws a question that how the bully can say he/she is forgiven when the bullied has not forgiven his/her wromgdoing.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZenysNLAfc8&feature=player_embedded
RT video report
Bimbo: ?!#?
Teaparty gathering through the eyes of a democract http://tinyurl.com/353ucjg
Simple Question
Who are ta peeps tat are gonna be end users of tose 1600 condos when
Biden went tear last month ??????????????
http://www.opednews.com/articles/Controversy-in-Zion-by-Niall-Bradley-100408-717.html
As Gaza notched its thousandth day under brutal siege last month, Vice President Biden arrived in the “Holy Land” to talk shop with its regional partner in war crime. The Israeli government extended a welcoming slap in the face by announcing plans to build 1,600 homes for Jewish Orthodox Zealots in east Jerusalem, just as he was to sit down for the state dinner.
Ideally, Biden would have responded by getting back on his plane and flying home, but he played out the humiliation and meekly condemned the move, opening a month of speculation in the mainstream media about “tension in US-Israeli relations.” But if Biden was feeling the tension, he certainly masked it well, declaring on his visit to Theodore Herzl’s tomb: “You don’t have to be a Jew to be a Zionist. I also see myself as a Zionist.”
So tee arguement about tee average Israeli is up in tee air once again
- Bonn
Hic
@ nobody
Where does it end? I’ll answer that. With the destruction of humanity as we know it. Either we forgive, and admit that we are all one , or we go down in flames . Fighting each other over land that belongs to everyone and no one is a ploy to keep our species in fear and easily controlable.
@Stacy. the head of isreal is in ottawa today. steven harper will lick his boots. we are stuck with this blind support.
Boarding civilian unarmed ships in international waters and force them to their own port. How is this not piracy? Was this done by any other nation, their would be air strikes as we speak.
@ DepressionAlert
Forgiveness can only happen when the bully apologize,repents of his/her wrongdoing and pay the price for the bullied.
Saying “let’s forgive them” without this process is a hypocrasy and same as defending the indefensible. In anoter words, siding with the bully.
Stacy, you are right of course there are many Israelis who abhor their State’s actions, but I do believe the Israeli propaganda machine is slowly twisting and corroding many of their citizens’ minds. It’s difficult to understand the wide-spread, internal support for hardline and blatantly illegal, “pre-emptive defensive” measures, but this is what happens when you live under conditions of intense paranoid Government pressure for a couple of generations.
Im getting my brothers together today and we are going to get on our Harleys , and have a peace ride. Blah, Blah, Blah, listen to me talk to the wind.
I tink I finally wrapped me head around Naked short sellin
Took me almost a ear to figure it out
lolololololol
ROFL
Hic
You are mistaken, Stacy. Perhaps you didn’t notice the Unilateral Withdrawal from Gaza which the MSM has been touting for however long? It is impossible for there to be a blockade because Israel has withdrawn. This report is therefore a manipulation from the anti-semitic leftist media. And, remember that the withdrawal was “Unilateral” – there was no concession made by the other side! Yes, those Palestinians didn’t withdraw from ANYWHERE!
Go Stacy Go!
Thank you,
Stacy/Max
Hey to Adam C,
thanks for the link, very important info and take on things
This has been said before my a jewish american man, who coined the term the holocaust industry – was vilified at the time even by myself and i’m not jewish and had no direct experience or knowledge of the issue other than through what i imbibed via western msm.
We have a call in radio show called any answers, the host is famous, a palestine woman rang in to say, we didn’t do anything to deserve this, we weren’t responsible, it wasn’t us why are we paying the price re – holocaust. And Dimbely was erring and umming as if this was a preposterous, disturbing, wacky, alien take on things – he’s a senior journalist and he couldn’t even respond in actual whole WORDS!
Soon after another BBC radio report on Today about an english jewish couple moving to israel to be near their grandchildren, the man said regarding the palestinans they can’t come back of course they can’t come back, if they did israel wouldn’t exist. Without a hint of controvesy, it was accepted as if it was nothing outrageous, the right to destroy, rob, steal and ghettorise people because you want what they have! The western media is totally schizophrenic on this whole issue! If this man had been Serbian / white south african what do you think the BBC reporter’s take and response on this might have been!!!!
I watched the film District 9 last night. Reality… science fiction… it just becomes a blur….
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BjWEn5yvmw
@Mother Earth
Blow it out ass LOL, you can have whatever I supposedly own. Everything is rented and temporary whether we know it or not.
From the link posted by Lloyd above: “The officials indicated they were aware of the potential public relations fiasco that would follow a violent confrontation on the high seas between heavily armed Israeli sailors and civilian activists, saying the navy commander instructed his forces to “operate with the utmost sensitivity and not be drawn into needless provocations.”
… this is what the IDF are like when they are being “sensitive”. Imagine how they treat the Palestinians…
And by the way, I was in Jerusalem for 10 days in 2000 and spent most of the time with Israelis (rather than as a tourist); nobody I met, of course, was at all similar to the maniacs in charge and the maniacs that the maniacs in charge pander to; I feel for Israelis that it is much like being an American abroad where overseas people only see the homicidal paternalistic neo-cons and their bloody rampages around the world and assume all Americans are like that; in my brief experience, I saw nothing like that, and, in fact, had one of the coolest experiences when watching O Brother Where Art Thou at an outdoor cinema at the Jerusalem film festival and Teddy Kollek introduced Ehud Olmert, who was I guess the Mayor of Jerusalem at the time; the howls of hatred for Olmert from the more than 1000 people there to watch the film was unlike anything I had ever seen, heard or felt; afterwards, I asked my host why everyone hated this guy Olmert (and I was politically unaware of anything in the country at the time) and she said that he was from a party that was racist and stirring up conflict with Palestinians and she mentioned Netanyahu, which was the first time I had ever heard his name
The action of these brave people who are trying to bring justice to the Palestinian people by facing evil, will help expose the lie.
Love will over come! The people of the world have had enough of your hate, violence and manipulation. People see it for what it is – EVIL mascaraeding as truth.
@Lloyd
yea, it was a cool thing during the twitter revolution in Iran on MSM, but i already read an article which cirticise the twitter is not a cool thing on Brithish newspaper Guardian if my brain remenbers correctly.
Thank you for NOT allowing these fools to silence you, Stacy and Max!
not really on topic but i’d love to see max on german tv, I myself am trying to “get the word out” to relatives and friends , problem is most dont like to know about the subject or are not blessed with knowledge bout english language – if you’d be on tv that might change (i hope :S ) btw great show , great page and please keep up what ur doing. I got myself a reciever so i can watch Keiser Report and on the Edge on my TV
wasn’t it not long ago that a supply ship with cynthia mckinney on board was rammed by the Israel
Stacy, well said! Your frustration is evident and shared by anyone whos ever been confronted by these webbots on the various comment boards they frequent.
By the way, great show you and Max have!
Farmers’ gold sales may crimp imports
http://in.reuters.com/article/idINIndia-48773120100525
India’s scrap gold and silver supplies may receive a boost over the next few weeks as farmers seek to sell trinkets to buy seeds and fertilisers for their kharif crops, potentially crimping demand for imported bars.
Farmers usually sell some gold and silver ornaments ahead of the kharif sowing season to pay for seeds and fertilisers, and the current surge in gold prices has provided an added incentive.
Huh !!!!!!!!!!!
Doesnt look like India is in trouble I just went to me Balcony and saw
lolololololol
ROFL
Hic
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=128443§ionid=351020202
“At least 20 people were killed in the attack and more than 50 others were wounded”
“The interception reportedly took place in international waters more than 150km (90 miles) off the coast of Gaza.”
“…Israeli ambassadors summoned in a number of countries, including Greece, Spain, Sweden and Turkey.”
“The six-ship convoy, organized by the Turkish Humanitarian Relief Foundation (IHH), was carrying 10,000 tons of supplies and was accompanied by 700 Palestinian, international activists and journalists.”
“Israel on alert after Gaza aid attack”
from palestine….first time in my life see an american(max and satcy) telling some truth about gaza and palestnian issue.
on the behalf of the palestnian people(in gaza and west abnk east jerusalem and arab 48)
thank you
max
for posting truth
Oh, and at the same time Obama asked for $150 million for Israel’s anti-missile program.
Not sure if it was passed by congress, but my wild guess is that it was.
“@Mother – no US media outlet will express any outrage, only support”
And, by the end of the week 500+ US senators and reps will sign a letter reaffirming their unwaivering love for Israel.
Just got home from work and still catching up on this news.
The Israeli army must be on big time alert (do they call that code red) to overreact in this way.
With the ‘Israeli submarine off Iran’ news recently they are expecting something big.
@Stacy,..I thought so,…..: )
Today is Memorial Day here in the U.S.. And on this day the crew of the U.S. Liberty will be remembered. Peace not Apartheid.
The Israelis did say 4 days ago they would stop the flotilla:
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=127140754
@Mother – no US media outlet will express any outrage, only support
@Lloyd – Twitter has openly used a new algorithm that removes popular tweets that are unpopular with the owners of the site . . . such as “Justin Bieber” . . . it could be used, I suppose, against flotilla
You can only be antisemite if the thing you oppose is an expression of semitism.
It seems they might have had legal grounds to evacuate all ships for being overloaded. Would have been a better plan.
@DepressionAlert
I just got a subspace message all you possesions are belong to me..But don’t fret, forgive and forget.
Some information about the passengers on the attacked ships.
Reported there were ca. 700 passengers on board. Most of them (ca.400) were Turkish nationals but there were number of other nationalities.
USA, England, Australia, Greek, Canada, Malesia, Algeria, Serbia, Belgium, Ireland, Norway, Sweden, Kuwait nationals were also on board with the Turkish nationals.
Among them were 85 yr old holocaust survivor Hedy Epstein, 1976 Nobel Peace Prize holder Mairead Corrigan Maguire from N.Ireland, Swedish writer Henning Mankell.
Also 15 European Parlement members.
The names of the killed/injured passengers were not yet officially announced.
It’s not just the U.S. and Israel.
The puppet nations that remain silent must bear some responsabiliy for the actions of Israel and the U.S. Who look like two spoiled bratts, out of control at pre school, while everyone stands around and applauds.
Some of the so called third world nations have spoken out recently: Courage comes from uenexpected sources sometimes.
Anyway we no longer have to wonder how the U.S. is going to respond to the iminate collapse of it’s superpower status.
They intent to take everyone down with them while NATO and ASEAN allies continue to pander to them.
Wounded from the ship that is arriving at Petah Tikva hospital in Israel have plastic handcuffs on they’re wrists. Israeli Propaganda psychology machine at work here? Only the guilty ones need to be handcuffed and since the wounded do have handcuffs on them they surly must have done something to deserve it like attacking the Israeli soldiers… Blæh, Israel can try but we won’t be fooled by it.
So where is the Huffington Post Outrage?
And yes, ships have captains that are the law on board, an israeli soldier in international waters is just a maniac in funny attire..
Isreal did not want to try another option, but its demonstrations of force are like those of the mad swordsman in Indiana Jones. If it gets to annoying someone might pull out a gun..
The US media thought Twitter was cool when Iranian ‘Greens’ used it. Maybe it will be denounced now as a tool for hate speech.
http://twitter.com/search?q=%23Flotilla
@brain – no it doesn’t; the (mis)application of the charge of ‘anti-semitism’ to all manner of dissent, however, has diminished the value and meaning of the word; I believe this is a dangerous thing in much the same way as the parable of boy who cried wolf
This whole world is filled manifested horrors every day. Lets not get caught up in this one. Thats what the Powers that Be want . Diversions, constant diversions.
Forgive and Forget. Do not live in Fear.
@ Marc
The comparison of gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto is spot-on. The conditions are the same, the rationale is the same. The Polish jews even relied on a tunnel network to get supplies in. All that’s missing is the final solution.
Thank Allah Israel’s football team didn’t make it into the world cup, I would have had to waste all my time picketing the thugs.
Next Intifada against Israel must be global.
@Palantíri – to rebut your devil’s advocate position, the boarding of the ship and subsequent massacre happened in international waters and so no nation has the rights to police others from entering; and, secondly, contrary to paternalistic press which always suggest it is okay for Daddy Israel to determine what is permissible for the irrational natives, the waters around Gaza are Palestinian territory
Dr. Norman Finkelstein
http://thcforum.ning.com/video/jewish-girl-tries-to-criticise
The Dershowitz v Finkelstein debate. (golden: apologist v realist)
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=finkelstein+dershowitz+debate
According to Doershowitz theres a “continuum of civilianality” (YT pt9 4:45) in Palestine…. What a Piece of She it!
From a different point of view, Israel did have an ongoing military sea blockade outside Gaza. No matter how pure the mission is, no matter how strongly you disagree with the blockade and thinking it is there on a totally wrong reasons or illegal or shouldn’t be there at all, you simply do not try to force your way through a military blockade without expecting some sort of action. The reaction from Israel were stronger than expected but some sort of military action must have been expected to come in one form or another in order to stop and control the vessel.
The bullied has become the bully
@Stacy,…Just have a quick recapitulation of all the stories presented to the public over the past decade, in this “age” of crisis,..and summate the intended objective,..would be interesting to get your “opinion”
The reactions on this site, are quite revealing ! : )
@ Palantiri
The Propaganda ia already on full-gear. Aid workers attacked IDF with axe and clubs??? Phew~~ Has IDF ever been honest about anything? I don’t think so.
@ Mongo
“Israel authorities/military sources claim that one or more activists took in posession weapons from commandos and then started firing and then israelis responded.
True or not, time will tell.”
The point i wanna make is that The ship is clearly in the international water. Why IDF were in the boat in the first place???
What is the differnece between Somali pirate and IDF ?
The child abuser who was abused in childhood is not excused. This has to stop just the same.
Here one of the organizers says that there are still 2 boats that will try to breach the blockade:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/palestinianauthority/7789175/Israeli-troops-attack-ship-carrying-aid-to-Gaza-killing-16.html
This ain’t over. It will be interesting to see how the media in the US reports things if any of the dead are American peace activists. Prolly a collective shrug of the shoulders.
Deaths as Israeli forces storm Gaza aid ship
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/middle_east/10195838.stm
fascists
Estimated 20.000+ protesters gather in the Taksim square in Istanbul at the moment and the numbers are growing.
Live web cam link.
http://www.canlikameralar.com/Turkiye/Istanbul/Taksim-35.html
@ TJ
Israel will one day get wacked ; tear biggest diadvantage is tat tey soooooooooo small and all that crap tey try and sell tat 1 Israel commando is equivalent to 10 Green berets
All freakin nonsense
I know for a fact that tees Defence systems dont werk against multiple simultaneous ICBM attacks
Ya’d need a freakin supercomputer on each counter active misslie defence system fired ; tee technology doesnt exist plus its guidense system can so easily be thrown off course
Ya have seen flares fired by fighter aircrafts when a heat seekin missile is fired
all a country needs is a highly advanced defence/offence wepons delivery system in an unkown location thus/therefore Aircraft carriers & Submarines
I know India has around 6 such land based programmes on 24/7 alert
Tas why if ya saw how USA attacked Iraq
First was communications ten it was a walk in tee park fer USA
Hic
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Stacy Summary:
I’ve been asked by a user of the site to remain silent on Israeli crimes for fear of dragging out the usual cast of ignorant, Neanderthal Nazis (half of whom I know are paid to be so). I believe it is exactly this silence for fear of the Neanderthals (faux and real), however, that has resulted in this shocking impunity.
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Except that the UK and US have thrown a lot of money at Israel, I don’t quite see the connect to the global finance crisis here.
For some reason, related to text typography “Neanderthal” must always be capitalized. It is a proper place, but species names must also be initial cappa too…
I have a pet theory, but it is probably true — that one should be amazed that Mossad has not liquidated all people in the USA in opposition to the US troop deployments in the Mid-East and South Asia.
This theory only applies to the views held by rank and file security intelligence agency staff outside the Levant and outside the USA on Mossad.
Anorthrwords, same-old … etc …
Whether it’s under an Israeli flag, or any other, makes no difference,..force is force,..and it always leads to the inevitable,…go figure all you ignorant fks out there! : )
There were lots of weapons found in the vessel Israel says… Hmm, killer weapons…the kitchen was full of knifes and forks and cleavers…
If Israel didn’t find any weapons on board I’m sure they would be able to find some weapons regardless!
@Stacy
Not even that, its music blasting in a empty fairground..The media are distributing the excuse, so everybody can go on ignoring everything that happens for a socially acceptable reason..Event -> Verbal Utterance -> Forget is better than Event -> Action -> Engage, and the people agree as long as they are provided with the right lines..Last thing they want to seem to be is dumbstruck, that would be embarresing..
I personally think Hamas should release another one of their pop bottle fire cracker attacks on the small towns boardering Gaza. Shock and awe, baby.
Come on now folks, like you guys are surprised by the Isrealie Gov’ts decision to storm these ships. This so called country has always abused human rights and done what they have liked without impunity. After all their masters the Rothchilds own most of this world and its gov’ts.
But in all honesty the PTB, have used provacateurs on the both sides of this made up conflict. You can debate how it all started, but you cannot debate, that both the Palestinians and Isrealis have commited atrocities over the years.
Thank you Stacy. You are so right.
This breaking news is a heart break to those who love truth and peace. And those, who as you and Max, refuse to cower to the ‘terrorists’—les vrais.
Just as we have seen corporate fascism invade our country, we see that corporate fascism has invaded Israel. Is it fear that has allowed such atocities? callousness? a false sense of superiority? Didn’t the prophets all die trying to call Israel to repentance?
We cannot defend evil. Not the evil in our own country, against our own population, or the Iraquis or Afghans ; not the evil perpetuated against an impoverished Gazan population.
Nor should we remain silent—which is a form of complicity.
Antisemitism now carries the connotation of Pro-freedom/free speech.
@stacy
of course someone could be in agreeement with you on this issue and be an ignorant f–k just the same
i say let them talk, their argumentations lose power under examination and then everyone can clearly see how weak their logic is
Some cool-headed perspective on so-called “Jews” and race hatred in general.
Vanunu Jailed by Evil Jews?
http://www.thedailybell.com/1082/Vanunu-Jailed-by-Evil-Jews.html
Read the post AND comments before jumping to any CRIMESTOP conclusions about the title (or myself and this linkage), please.
@ Bonn
Blood for profit is an everyday thing but this Gaza business…merde! it’s beyond obscene. Killing Turkish volunteers may be the turning point. I
would not like to be on the receiving end of their reply, eh @ Sinan?
The Crusader states lasted around 125 years. How long do you give Israel?
My humble opnion to a 2nd world country
If ya find OIL keep freakin QUITE or sign yer sucide note cause USA will hunt ya down
lolololololol
ROFL
Hic
@ TJ
tee real enemy is tee manufacturers of ARMS
tey ta ones always rootin fer a WAR
Tas ta reason Why I am prity sure we wont have a Nuke War
How much does a Nuke Cost ??? 10 mill ?? 100 Mill ?
20 mill profit x 20 dropped tas 400 mill tas chicken feed
Iraq & Afghanistan has reached 1 trill as of date
Bare in mind tear was’nt much opposition from Afganistan and Iraq
Hic
@Danny – at this point it appears that most of the dead are Turkish; killing only Muslims will, of course, help with selling the story to enough of the American population, which frankly, is all that matters when one wants to commit international (war)crimes with impunity
@ Mike/L
19 dead? And the NYT whores call it making contact?
Roll out the pukewagons
Arrogant fascist neo-cons. It’s clear. They want to transform Gaza in a sort Warsaw ghetto. The comparisons are not that crazy and far fetched when you read about the living conditions in Gaza. History is quite horribly ironic. Victims of history eventually become exucutioners of history. It’s clear. It’s about liquidating the Palestinians, not just “fanatic” organizations.
Israel too is filled with fanatics and extremists. Indeed. I wouldn’t be surprised see these crazies nuking Teheran. Israel is under the influence of dangerous right wing extremists. They intend indeed exterminating the people in Gaza.
19 Dead…………….
I don’t know what to say
Mike
When the war starts, at least everyone will know who the real enemy is.
@Bonn ….Me thinks it was a ruse perhaps.
….dont kill me now!
Turks are flipping out. That’ll show them for brokering a deal (with Brazil) with Iran.
Turkish TV:
http://www.trt.net.tr/Canli/canli.aspx?kanal=TRTTURK&
Also I imagine the “crazed enviro-humano-terrorist seized the Krav Maga-trained IDF soldier’s machine gun and fired indiscriminately at the soldiers” will be the meme of choice if mentioned in US media.
Oops Thee NYT is mentioning that “violence” is afoot, aboard the flotilla.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/05/31/world/middleeast/31flotilla.html?src=mv
1. Russia & Turkey joint oil pipeline project,
2. Rumors of expanding BRIC to BRICT (including Turkey),
3. Latest Naval Base attack in Iskenderun-Turkey,
4. Attacking only the Turkish flagged ship heavily while there are 5-6 other ships with non-Turkish flags,
5. Turkish government refusing the use of bases in Turkey for a future operation to Iran.
You can expand the list. Coincidence? I don’t think so.
Are USA/Israel sending messages to Turkish Government?
Only time will tell!!
& anyways I am 100 times more Pissed off at USA tan Israel
Plz who ever cautioned Stacy Tears no need to stand up yer just @ the American Idol Tabloids level
lololololololol
ROFL
Hic
PS yer a wannabe
lololololol
@ME…I didnt write it….bye the way everyone knows eggs lie.
@dan valley
There was this mysterious message in my fried egg this morning (the yoke was at a 5 degree angle with the union rings) saying you must give all your money to me!
Name the bastard Stacy.
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/breaking/2010/0531/breaking4.html
“Irish activists aboard the 1,200-ton cargo ship Rachel Corrie , named after an American who was crushed to death by an Israeli army bulldozer in Gaza in 2003, had set sail from Dundalk at the weekend to join the convoy.”
They steal our passports and identities and now they shoot at our citizens. Israel is a failed state. Jaffa stealing bastards.
A Pirate Nation.
@Stacy
True, but of course the lack of supplies is killing Gazans, not specifically or necessarily reducing their combat powers. That they don’t bother to respect the lives of citizens of any country is where I deem them suicidal..Massasa, where the Sicarrii hid (Barabass was one), a sect of stealthy assasins forcing the population into unecessary wars…
These neo-con Israelis are quite a bunch of sick people. Psychiatric treatment needed. No need to comment further. Sick politics and sick militaries. Will they be selling the organs of the aid workers they murdered ?
@Stacy, I am well aware of MSM and Israeli propaganda machine so don’t judge my comments as MY opinion.
The Earth is a Perpetual Oil Generating Machine! (The last thing the elites want you to know)!
http://www.news.cornell.edu/chronicle/99/1.28.99/Gold-book.html
@ Stacy
As me Dad has werked wit Isarelis closely while developin the Advanced Light helicopter which he was testin
He drew 2 conclusions
A ) “tey have real Pride in tear nation” (God only knows Why – Bonn)
B ) tear was a time when tear Military took a 50 % pay cut and still werked
Me dad laughed so hard cause he said if tee Govt. ever asked Indan military to take a 50 % cut even when India is @ war
the Indian Military would go on Strike
lolololololol
ROFL
Hic
@Mother – “but their aim is not to prevent attacks, but to kill Gazans” I believe that there were mostly non-Palestinians on the boats; including a famous Swedish writer who has not been heard from and two Australian journalists who have also not been heard from since the massacre; though I suspect most of the survivors are unreachable whilst they are in the hands of the untouchables
Well said stacey
Start building your bunkers Marc Faber says war is on its way and by the looks of things Id say so….remember community is the key.
Thank you to both Stacy and Max for this thread. First time poster, long time lurker. Thought these links might add to the jibber and jabber. http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article25580.htm
http://pacificfreepress.com/news/1/6306-qmainstreamq-media-silence-meets-gaza-flotilla.html
Also, the recent Brazil/Turkey nuclear deal with Iran and the immediate disrespect Hillary ladled out, plays in the background to this incident.
Just for kicks the link to the Turkish PM’s ‘appreciation’ of Shimon Peres undisturbed diatribe at Davos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrbQsHkVQ_4
@Mongo
Needless to say, taking a gun from a person boarding without permission in international waters sounds like a logical thing to do. Isreal could have insisted on inspecitng the vessels during the day, but their aim is not to prevent attacks, but to kill Gazans..Their options are running out fast, why they want to play Mount Massada I don’t know. Most be the core of bigots dominating policiy. If they dare to nuke Iran I expect Europe will become lethal territory for them. There is no room in the world for autistic governments, nothing is important enough for the kind dangers they bring..
anyone here see …”The girlfriend experience”?…..what about.. “Choke”?.
@Stacy, Propaganda i guess?
@Mongo – So an activist disarmed a commando . . . now it all makes sense.
@Bonn – great analogy!
Few hours before this attack, a Turkish Military Logistics base is attacked in port of Iskenderun, which is the nearest naval base to the incident. Six soldiers are dead.
What a coincidence?
http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/news-211613-100-six-turkish-soldiers-killed-in-attack.html
I was just tinkin he must hate my guts ten or a she
but its rarely a she who talks/suggest like tat
@ Mike/Liverpool
I am sure i am on a “list” somewhere………..
I have nottin to do wit Israel But I am sure I ‘am on tear list too
Tey a Bunch of Paranoid Twerps
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ROFL
Hic
General Israel peeps dunno tey part of a Create Problem;-> See Reaction
;->Provide Solution Programme
The Day tey wake up ……………
let’s not forget this one
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/may/23/israel-south-africa-nuclear-weapons
This is nothing new. History lesson from the attempted sinking of the USS Liberty:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=4113285887114591367&ei=RYNaS__rB9iT-Abn2-jlBA&q=movie+under+-hindi&view=3&emb=1&dur=3#
Some years ago i wrote to a manufactor of lathe tool tips in “the promised land”. I told Iscar that i would never use their tips agaain and returned the half used pack.
I am sure i am on a “list” somewhere………..trouble is …..so are an ever larger number of people.
Mike
Israel Reminds me of a Hollywood celebrity who gets pissed of and starts crying when the Tabloids invade tear personal lives
lololololol
ROFL
Hic
Watch for the diplomatic propaganda Spin in the news!
I think it is the right thread to repost this headline, scary if it’s true:
Israel stations nuclear missile subs off Iran
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article7140282.ece
“Three German-built Israeli submarines equipped with nuclear cruise missiles are to be deployed in the Gulf near the Iranian coastline.”
Word of the day: Vitriolic !,….: )
http://maxkeiser.com/watch/al-jazeera-english-news-appearances/16-january-2009/
Stacy “I’ve been asked by a user of the site to remain silent on Israeli crimes ”
Bonn “I wonder who it is ! Now curiosity is Gonna Drive me & RawnRawn crazy”
lolololololol
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hic
Report from the Flotilla http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6OCIRUF4Ro
This is so sad. It has shook me up like a fist in my solar plexus. Some real action has to be taken by the rest of that will pull our energy out if this cynical game.
Israel authorities/military sources claim that one or more activists took in posession weapons from commandos and then started firing and then israelis responded.
True or not, time will tell.
I’ve been asked by a user of the site to remain silent on Israeli crimes for fear of dragging out the usual cast of ignorant, neanderthal nazis (half of whom I know are paid to be so). I believe it is exactly this silence for fear of the neanderthals (faux and real), however, that has resulted in this shocking impunity. So, please note, that ignorant f*%ks and provocateurs will be banned forever from commenting on this site. If you want freedom to speak your ignorance freely, then go create your own site
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Huh so what yer tryin to say Stacy ????
Ya aint gonna report on Israel ?????
Oh & Anti semtism thingy Just got around today mornin to read what it means in the Dictionary
I bet the person who asked yas himself doesnt have a clue what the Big Picture is
Now will I get banned for Posting tis ????
Hic
Go Stacy!
murderers..we are protesting here in greece at 7 pm against this crime.the ships were on international waters.