Stacy Summary: Max Keiser talks to Damon Vrabel. (Obviously, whoever is doing the uploading, will have uploaded part 2 as a file that was longer than 11 minutes and it was probably, therefore, rejected by Youtube. Sorry about that; I will have to upload myself, but can’t do until tomorrow or Monday).
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Bonn is right. we have reached peak lying.
@Max. there’s less than zero in reserve.
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Whilst I can’t agree with the ‘soveign/state fiat “money”‘ solution, I like Vrabel’s mostly clear-headed analysis of oligarchical collectivism or so-called “capitalism”.
Good job.
Found his Renaissance 2.0 as a playlist
http://www.youtube.com/user/councilonsper#g/c/3FB144AC4AAA1EC4
where is the rest of the show? I only see one segment.
Fascinatnig how the topic in interviews here keeps getting back to the trend away from using the USD as internat’l. reserve.
hi max and stacy, could you guys post links to all your other programs/radio shows as the come up also? they are hard to find sometimes.
Printing more money means borrowing more money.
James Cameron made $350 mil from “Avatar” after 20 years of work. Richard Fuld made $484 in Lehman bonuses after 8 years.
Printing more money means borrowing more money. The man fro glad
Doesn’t have to be that way. United States Notes (Greenbacks) are debt and interest free.
Wall Street was created by the British East India company, people are ignorant if they think the british empire is dead….
Latest Jim Willie….CRISIS REDUX: ROAD TO PERDITION
http://www.gold-eagle.com/editorials_08/willie070810.html
Whilst I can’t agree with the ‘soveign/state fiat “money”‘ solution, … Adam C
Then let government money be legal tender for government debt only.
@F. Beard`
Welcome to the Secret of Oz
http://www.secretofoz.com/
The British Empire is like cancer
Stop in the name of the law! BP case going criminal fast http://politi.co/bpLK1o.
@F. Beard
Good idea. Let people decide whether they will accept commercial credit as payment. Then the market would sort out the financial crisis. Before the establishment of the Fed in 1913, private bank notes had no more gov’t. sanction than coupons do now.
F Beard…As ron paul said and tried to introduce….Ron Paul on the House Floor 1/20/10: Statement on Competing Currencies
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBaQgZ5PfAg&feature=player_embedded
secede
@ronron
”Several years ago, the U.S. government changed the description of the gold at Fort Knox from “gold reserves” to “deep-storage gold”….
More recently, the U.S. government has again changed the way it describes its gold from “gold reserves” to “gold and gold-swaps” with NO break-down on how much gold has been “swapped” (i.e. lent to a 3rd party), and how much gold the U.S. government actually “possesses”.
In short, with no audits, and NO public disclosure of how much gold has been “swapped”, we have no idea of what percentage of Fort Knox gold is claimed to be “owned” by more than one owner.’
http://www.bullionbullscanada.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=424:gata-seeks-audit-of-mythical-fort-knox-gold&catid=53:featured&Itemid=102
Majority of Americans Believe Obama is a Socialist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VopzWix7wG8&feature=player_embedded
jischinger ……correct
Bravo
Treasury Bond = Guarantee of confiscation
End this War! After 20 Years of Killing the Fighting and the Lies Continue With No End in Sight!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E8VUhnGGryc&feature=player_embedded
@dan valley,
Ron Paul seems to think gold and silver would be the only competitive currencies. I believe common stock would be a superior form so taxes on it should be removed too.
It is probably just me, but I don’t understand everything Max & Damon are saying. But I think this is the main message: democracy is a hoax.
Once again Damon Vrabel is on the money so to speak!Like Ellen Brown he is simply espousing the Social Credit theory which was so popular in England,Australia,Canada and New Zealand during the 1930′s.this theory was developed by C.H.Douglas.It was recently condensed in part in two thought provoking books,both title and content,by Michael Rowbotham.1.The Grip of Death,a study of modern money,debt slavery and destructive economics.2 GoodbyeAmerica!Globalisation,debt and the dollar empire.All serious students of an alternative to debt based currency and credit should read these!Have you Max and Stacey?Perhaps the best solution for all you “doubting thomases” ie @Adam C and i can throw in the likes of Peter Schiff,Marc Faber Jim Rogers et al is The Truth In Money Book by T.Thoren and R Warner,who tell us that we dont need to be crucified on a cross of Gold!My personal take on the Austrian School is that they believe in a from of monetary slavery and control of the population.Anyone with a Von in their title ie Von Mises smacks of a holier than thou attitude!One can immediately sense this from people like Schiff who consider themselves noble and type of royalty and anyone who dare suggests a solution of debt free money as the great unwashed!
We had in this country,Australia banks that practised exactly the policy that Damon is suggesting, the issuing of dedt free currency and credit.The national bank was the Commonwealth Bank established by an american King O Malley.Each state also had its own state bank.Sadly these are just a memory now.Privatised and sold back to the original owners “the people” as shares,you know that oft used cliche “mum and dad investors” Bring on the treason trials ,hoist the black flag ,cause i’m ready to kill!
ron paul is the jefferson of today.
Gold – the catastrophe hedge- Stansberry http://global.commodityonline.com/newsdetailslink.php?url=http://www.mineweb.com/mineweb/view/mineweb/en/page103855?oid=107745&sn=Detail
@Skippy …every talking point Vrabel has is taken vebatim from ron paul…seriously I feel like Im taking crazy pills..you people need to do go to a ron paul site and read for yourself.
@F. Beard, dan valley
The recent gold drop following a gold swap illustrates how vulnerable gold prices are to manipulation. Paul, contrary to what many think, advocates silver in addition to gold as a basis for sound currency. Thanks for mentioning that, F. Not that cornering the market in silver hasn’t been tried.
‘Brothers Nelson Bunker Hunt and Herbert Hunt attempted to corner the world silver markets in the late 1970s and early 1980s, at one stage holding the rights to more than half of the world’s deliverable silver. During Hunt’s accumulation of the precious metal silver prices rose from $11 an ounce in September 1979 to nearly $50 an ounce in January 1980. Silver prices ultimately collapsed to below $11 an ounce two months later, much of the fall on a single day now known as Silver Thursday, due to changes made to exchange rules regarding the purchase of commodities on margin.’
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cornering_the_market#1970s:_The_Hunt_brothers_and_the_silver_market
The $50 price for gold quoted in the interview was I think the result of Hunt’s attempt to corner the silver market.
@The Man from Glad
Because gold is such a small market it can be easily manipulated down but for the same reason it can go up again quickly.
That’s exactly waht we see today, look at the gold price which is allready above $1200o/z again!
@Skippy. Supplementing legal tender backed by gold with legal tender backed by silver could avoid crucifixion by those who can manipulate gold prices and supplies. That was the American Populists’ idea, around a century ago. it’s still a good idea. Let’s add in currency backed by the whole platinum group. That should provide sufficient liquidity, without risking hyper-inflation. In any event, if commercial bank credit continues to be regarded as legal tender, the economy as a whole will remain a function of commercial banking.
@Dan Valley,nah i lost respect for Ron Paul when he refused “Brunos” advances in that motel room!
@Skippy….the man 78yrs old I dont think his sense of humor is up to date
@dan valley – and where are Ron Paul’s ‘talking points’ taken from? no man is an island and yet every man’s interpretation of reality and unreality around him/her is unique; no revolution (economic, political, scientific, etc) arises from the ideas of just one man or woman; the French and American revolutions erupted out of ideas and interpretations of those ideas from dozens and dozens of men over many decades; and I am sure that is true for all times; I wouldn’t want to project all hopes and dreams of a movement or a revolution on one man, and I’m pretty sure Ron Paul, knowing his history, would not want to be that man anyway
@The Man from Glad,
I advocate common stock as a form of money. It is impossible to corner the market in common stock because 1) new common stock companies can form at will and 2) existing companies can issue new stock as desired. I see no advantage of precious metals over common stock and several major disadvantages.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_uEDZO2k7k
BART shooting verdict: Oakland police officer Mehserle convicted of ‘involuntary manslaughter’
Man the US cops have gone looney
@F. Beard
Thanks for the reply.
>> Then let government money be legal tender for government debt only.
I don’t quite understand.
There is no ‘government debt’. ‘Government debt’ is simply debt created by a group of individual people called “government” on behalf of the public, thus the debt is public debt, which is just shorthand for saying it is personal debt aggregated into an abstract thing called “public or government debt”.
My question is this…
How do you propose to allow individuals to protect themselves from this ‘legal tender’ when government (that group of individual people calling themselves “the government”) can force its debt upon otherwise free people living and working in a free-market (as per your suggestion that legal tender be restricted to ‘government debt’) and thus forcing these free people to discharge this debt ‘obligation’ with either exchanged money (money being that which they have decided upon as being money in the free-market) or the legal tender itself?
Legal tender is just an excuse to demand the labour of otherwise free individuals working cooperatively and non-violently in the voluntary free-market. Legal tender isn’t lawful tender since only lawful tender has an explicit contract (verbal or written) backing financial obligations between two or more parties.
When you reason these issues out, the only honest conclusion you can come to is that we don’t need government – not federal government – not state government – that government is force and that force doesn’t solve social problems – people solve social problems, peacefully.
Please point out the flaws in my argument.
@Youri Carma, Much that makes gold an attractive investment for individuals, makes it unattractive as a sole basis for a country’s currency. It’s scarcity helps it retain its value, but it also makes it possible for speculators to use it as a weapon. If you can withdraw enough of the gold supply from circulation, you can trigger deflation lasting years. That’s what happened in the last depression.
If we don’t agree to accepting our niche in the pre-determined multilateral governance of the World Bank Group/UN through the process of neutering our dollar via divorce from global trade (sdr constituent-fixed exchange euro/dollar) and through a system of Landesbanken in the contiguous US we are unenlightened?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landesbank
The landesbanken system has been found to be rife with corruption:
http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/industry_sectors/banking_and_finance/article3338761.ece
@F. Beard, Commodity backed ETF’s might also be a good basis for a currency. Common stock might be good idea as one of several bases for a currency, but I wouldn’t want to an economy that was completely tied to the stock market. That sounds too much like a merger of corporate and gov’t. interests, which is how Mussolini defined Fascism.
Rangel eyes draft return http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/rangel_eyes_draft_return_TtZEEALGhR4FkrNdjh5h3M
The bill calls for men and women 18-42 to sign up for the draft during wartime. It will likely be introduced next week.
Could see this coming for miles away. First get everybody unemployed and than get them in the army so they can be put in the meat grinder.
No surprise here. As long as every American stays sitting on it’s butt the Satanist will have there way with you.
Bart Police shooting in Oakland KTVU report
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKy-WSZMklc&NR=1
man he gets 2 to 4 years the Cop that is and could be out in 6 months
crazy sh!t
that was an execution
@Stacy… Ron Paul has only advocated that revolution arises from the ideas whos time has come and hes said it is bigger than him …he serves as a remnent to remind us of our roots and its too bad that most if not all others only pick and choose what suits them in the political popularity contest.
@The Man From Glad,ive got a better solution than platinum,the twelfth century’s debt free mney system.You’ll laugh at this one or choke on the precious metal group,Tally Sticks! no, not tally ho paper.Tally sticks were used as money in England for around 600 years and somewhat for another 150 years.They were used by the King’s treasury to finance social and publc works.I wont go into detail for the sake of brevity,i’m sure a learned solul such as yourself can find out the rest of the details suffice to say that when the system was done away with the tally sticks were used as firewood in the houses of parliament.Story is that they were the causeof burning down the Parliament in 1834!Now if only Obama would use Federal Reserve notes to heat the White House and Capitol building,there might be some hope for you Yans yet!
‘Nor need I tallies thy dear love to score….’ Do you hear me Stacy?
Shakespeares’s 122nd Sonnet
@Skippy
RE being a doubting Thomas.
Thanks for that description, in my case it’s an entirely accurate one.
For the record, I’m glad of the state/sovereign money people like Brown and Vrabel articulating their ‘solution’ because they are amongst the most effective at explaining the problem (mostly because it is a ‘moderate’ one that maintains a few precious delusions that people are very reluctant to give up).
But…
What they forget in their advocacy of going back to a supposed ‘golden age’ of state banking is that history proves (Federal Reserve Act 1913) that as long as there is a coercive institution of government, either state or federal, there will always be the means and thus the excuse to take control of the banking system for private gain.
My doubting Thomas question is simply…
Why will things be different this time? Why will the banksters not give in to the temptation to use the force of the government to get control of the banking system again next time? Why will those people calling themselves “the government” having already taken by force (physical or psychological) not want to keep the benefits of that force and so be tempted to align themselves with the financial oligarchs who presume to be able to deliver it – over generations?
This seems to me an entirely sensible question.
The logic of power is power and more power.
The means to power is expanding current power.
Good nite all
Bay National Bank of Baltimore fails, 87th in 2010 http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bay-national-bank-of-baltimore-fails-87th-in-2010-2010-07-09
@Skippy
I second your tally sticks revival idea, though with a modern spin: public/private key cryptography.
The Independent Institute — Will Strong Encryption Protect Privacy and Make Government Obsolete? (2001)
‘You and I sign a contract. In the contract, we specify a private arbitrator. The contract includes the private arbitrator’s public key. The contract is digitally signed by both you and me. Now, you think I violated the contract. You demand arbitration. The arbitrator rules that I owe you damages. I refuse to pay. The arbitrator writes a brief statement that I agreed to—that he would be the arbitrator of disputes, that he gave a verdict, and that I refused to pay the damages. Digitally signs it and gives it to you. You now have a package. That package consists of the original contract which I digitally signed, so provably I agreed to it, and the arbitrator’s verdict, which he digitally signed, so provably the arbitrator I agreed to, said that I cheated. You may now e-mail that package to anybody else in the industry. — You want the arbitrator who gets the right result at low cost. This is a market mechanism for generating efficient law for the private market.’
http://www.independent.org/events/transcript.asp?eventID=20
Also
P2P Foundation — Bitcoin P2P Cryptocurrency now in public beta
http://blog.p2pfoundation.net/bitcoin-p2p-cryptocurrency-now-in-public-beta/2010/06/16
@Skippy, You are so far as I know only the second person, after myself months ago, to mention tally sticks here. They are a very interesting, and unusual, example of a fiat currency that retained its value for centuries. I suspect quantum encryption could provide the basis for counterfeit-proof currency for the digital age. If only the gov”t. weren’t controlled by commercial banks and the petroleum industry. Neither are as concerned for the commonwelath as were the medieval English monarchs,. Even the English monarchy has been merged with commercial banking interests since William of Orange.
90 Banks Failed this Year!
See FDIC Failed Bank List: http://www.fdic.gov/bank/individual/failed/banklist.html
90 Banks Failed this Year!
04 banks in July (till 10 July 2010)
08 banks in June
14 banks in May
23 banks in April
19 banks in March
07 banks in February
15 banks in January
________________
90 banks Total in 2010
In reply to Adam C:
There is no ‘government debt’. ‘Government debt’ is simply debt created by a group of individual people called “government” on behalf of the public, thus the debt is public debt, which is just shorthand for saying it is personal debt aggregated into an abstract thing called “public or government debt”. Adam C
I agree. I meant taxes and fees. The national debt should be paid off with new legal tender fiat.
My question is this…
How do you propose to allow individuals to protect themselves from this ‘legal tender’ when government (that group of individual people calling themselves “the government”) can force its debt upon otherwise free people living and working in a free-market (as per your suggestion that legal tender be restricted to ‘government debt’) and thus forcing these free people to discharge this debt ‘obligation’ with either exchanged money (money being that which they have decided upon as being money in the free-market) or the legal tender itself? Adam C
Good question. The key is an arrangement between the private sector and the government that insulates the private sector from the distortions caused by government such as inflation, deflation, the boom-bust cycle etc. while still allowing the government to effectively tax the private sector. Thus government money for government debts only (taxes and fees) and private monies for the private sector with freely floating exchange rates amongst them all.
Legal tender is just an excuse to demand the labour of otherwise free individuals working cooperatively and non-violently in the voluntary free-market. Legal tender isn’t lawful tender since only lawful tender has an explicit contract (verbal or written) backing financial obligations between two or more parties. Adam C
Agreed. That’s why floating exchange rates between government and private monies must be insisted upon. That way, government would not have the option of an inflation tax. Instead, it would have to explicitly raise taxes and/or cut spending and expose itself to voter disapproval.
When you reason these issues out, the only honest conclusion you can come to is that we don’t need government – not federal government – not state government – that government is force and that force doesn’t solve social problems – people solve social problems, peacefully. Adam C
Agreed. See 1 Samuel 8:4-22. However, unwinding government will not be an easy task. What I propose is to insulate the private economy from government so that the need for government will wither away. For instance, the boom-bust cycle caused by the government backed banking cartel increases the need for socialism to redistribute wealth unjustly acquired during the boom and desperately needed during the bust. No boom-bust cycle would thus eliminate the need for socialism after a while.
Please point out the flaws in my argument. Adam C
I agree with your philosophy but a hasty approach is neither wise nor necessary. Marxism did not lead to the withering away of the state but liberty can if we are patient as well as principled.
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In reply to Adam C:
There is no ‘government debt’. ‘Government debt’ is simply debt created by a group of individual people called “government” on behalf of the public, thus the debt is public debt, which is just shorthand for saying it is personal debt aggregated into an abstract thing called “public or government debt”. Adam C
I agree. I meant taxes and fees. The national debt should be paid off with new legal tender fiat.
My question is this…
How do you propose to allow individuals to protect themselves from this ‘legal tender’ when government (that group of individual people calling themselves “the government”) can force its debt upon otherwise free people living and working in a free-market (as per your suggestion that legal tender be restricted to ‘government debt’) and thus forcing these free people to discharge this debt ‘obligation’ with either exchanged money (money being that which they have decided upon as being money in the free-market) or the legal tender itself? Adam C
Good question. The key is an arrangement between the private sector and the government that insulates the private sector from the distortions caused by government such as inflation, deflation, the boom-bust cycle etc. while still allowing the government to effectively tax the private sector. Thus government money for government debts only (taxes and fees) and private monies for the private sector with freely floating exchange rates amongst them all.
Legal tender is just an excuse to demand the labour of otherwise free individuals working cooperatively and non-violently in the voluntary free-market. Legal tender isn’t lawful tender since only lawful tender has an explicit contract (verbal or written) backing financial obligations between two or more parties. Adam C
Agreed. That’s why floating exchange rates between government and private monies must be insisted upon. That way, government would not have the option of an inflation tax. Instead, it would have to explicitly raise taxes and/or cut spending and expose itself to voter disapproval.
When you reason these issues out, the only honest conclusion you can come to is that we don’t need government – not federal government – not state government – that government is force and that force doesn’t solve social problems – people solve social problems, peacefully. Adam C
Agreed. See 1 Samuel 8:4-22. However, unwinding government will not be an easy task. What I propose is to insulate the private economy from government so that the need for government will wither away. For instance, the boom-bust cycle caused by the government backed banking cartel increases the need for socialism to redistribute wealth unjustly acquired during the boom and desperately needed during the bust. No boom-bust cycle would thus eliminate the need for socialism after a while.
Please point out the flaws in my argument. Adam C
I agree with your philosophy but a hasty approach is neither wise nor necessary. Marxism did not lead to the withering away of the state but liberty can if we are patient as well as principled.
Can anyone please recommend a good (and free) HTML previewer?
Big inflows into money market funds as double-dip fears rise http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=178985.0
Investors have also been investing money in gold as a hedge against the growing volatility in financial markets. The lure of gold and precious metals has helped commodities funds top a list of sectoral funds tracked by the group.
I kind of dont think damon vrabel has it right
the first thing they gotta do is learn to strike
Country wide Strike and then they gotta overhaul the Justice Department which has been hyjacked for @ least the last 40 years.
Unless a Just Justice Dept is in place
Nothing is Going to change – Bonn
Hedge funds look for a golden edge http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=178986.0
@ Max, my heartfelt thank you for finally getting to the real heart of the problem of the problem IMHO. Here,s a great link that has helped me understand how things tie together. Now when I hear the presenters with there half truths on the money TV shows talk I understand things better. When they talk about the GE financial arm and other swift coming under the Fed it all makes sense. Its what they don’t say that’s more important that what they say.
Please everybody see this ten part series.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk1xao6mvjc
Housing Chartbook: July 2010 − Housing Falters after the Tax Credit Expires http://www.fxstreet.com/fundamental/analysis-reports/special-commentary/2010-07-09.v02.html
these guys are like We got away with last time
thats why they will throw some mid – level old geezer like Madoff into jail
and then Ctrl C Ctrl Vis followed again
and they have those stupid Congressional hearings
What was the point in those Congressional hearings ???? During the bailouts ? Even I would’nt be frightened of a Congressional hearing its just a freakin circus Show
all Congressional hearings are freakin Circus Shows
the congress men must be laughin @ the US Tax payer inside closed Doors along with JP Morgan, Citibank GM etc etc
I should really proof read before I post.
Women are basically greedy. They want all things from one man.
While men are so simple. They want only one thing from all women.
lololololololol
ROFL
Hic
This Goldmoney link is a scam as customers are not permitted to take physical delivery of their purchase. What a joke! Only stupid people would do this. I thought you only have intelligent people cruising your website? Another “rob the serfs” scam via electronic transfers. I also love their SMS mobile linking to your account with them. Sign up now and get ON their “Grid”. Ha Ha
@ F. Beard
Why not just use a text editor, save it to your desktop, and then drag it onto a browser window?
@Bonn
ahahaha that’s a good one ahaha! http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3265/2915386672_6c92daa349.jpg
. Common stock might be good idea as one of several bases for a currency, but I wouldn’t want to an economy that was completely tied to the stock market. The Man from Glad
Agreed. Let’s have liberty in money creation. Common stock would be just one alternative. However, without a government backed counterfeiting cartel, the ability to manipulate stock prices would be limited. Also, much of the stock would be circulating and not available to be borrowed and sold short.
That sounds too much like a merger of corporate and gov’t. interests, which is how Mussolini defined Fascism. The Man from Glad
@Majestic,
Thanks, I’ll try that.
Bonn:
Change is coming through the use of EU hegemony as a CHANGE AGENT:
http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/0629/1224273555934.html
“The group says the EU can be an “agent of change” in this scenario, a trend-setter and not a passive witness, but only if its members work together with a new common purpose.
“Our members agree on one fundamental issue: Europe is currently at a turning point in its history. We will only overcome the challenges which lie ahead if all of us . . . are able to pull together with a new common purpose defined by the needs of the current age.””
Definition by needs of the current age? Positively Hegelian:
“Like other idealists, he agrees with Kant that the mind is not simply a passive absorber of the external world, but actively organises it. As the mind can not know things-in-themselves, what becomes the real is Geist: mind, spirit or soul. As Hegel says, “The Real is the Rational and the Rational is the Real”.
Hegel sees Geist developing through history, each period having a Zeitgeist (spirit of the age). These stages will eventually reach the telos (Greek for “end”) of self-understanding, that is when Geist comes to know itself.
It is only when Geist comes to know itself that we can be free: it is only possible to be free if we understand reality. If we do not understand reality we are not in a position to make a free judgement, we struggle in vain against that which we do not understand.
For Hegel each person’s individual consciousness or mind is really part of the Absolute Mind, it is just that the individual does not realise this. If we understood that we were part of a greater consciousness we would not be so concerned with our individual freedom, we would agree with to act rationally in a way that did not follow our individual caprice. By following the Real or the Rational, each individual would achieve self-fulfilment.”
http://www.philosopher.org.uk/rom.htm
Change is to be force-fed down our throats by the bankers at the suprasovereign level in the interests of the uber-elite.
The Platonic priesthood would see their place as logos for the state machine (Geist): within this context we see the ludicracy of that opinion piece by the Fed official declaring himself logos(as PHD principal of a moribund system). Who shall call enlightenment into being? Vrabel? Max?
Competition generating a contextual space of rhetorical rooster fights? But the state itself will reward those loyal rhetoricians in finality.
The state is represented in the architecture of the 21st century through suprasovereign banking rule via the way of transition (sdr-communal brainwashing). Sarkozy’s vision extended:
“Let us be clear about this: we’re not asking ourselves what we will replace capitalism with, but what kind of capitalism we want…
We cannot look at the post-crisis world in the same way as the world before the crisis…
The G20 foreshadows the planetary governance of the 21st century. It symbolises the return of politics
whose legitimacy was denied by unregulated globalisation.”
http://www.weforum.org/pdf/Sarkozy_en.pdf
ABOUT THE SDR
I am still doubting if this SDR sceme will work cause it’s more of the same also FIAT money backed by nothing.
The dollar seems more resilient than many expected which has to do with the fact that most dollars are in foreign hands.
The Chinese hold a lot of dollars for instance and they don’t like to see the value of the dollar go.
I believe Benjamin Fulford that the Satanist wanted to dump the dollar but the Chinese somehow opposed it.
See and listen to: http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=165149.msg1060636#msg1060636
@F. Beard, In time, various countries will no doubt try implement various models of backing their currencies. Everything from quantum encrypted talley sticks to common stocks. That’s provided the mass of humanity can manage to steer away from the indentured servitude we’re presently hurtling toward.
Max could you please one day let us know the share holders of the Fed, BOE and RBA, searched and searched but not much success. I have some ideas and heard some unsubstantiated suggestions, when in doubt follow the money ! We need to know whos at the top of the pyramid not the soldiers. mAx
The sdr-scheme is already working, Youri. It’s the dollar/index/exchange scheme that is ending.
Imagine how lucrative it would be to develop an index that fed off the controlled system of exchange bound to a currency index (dollar) allowed free reign globally within the context of controlled exchange.
Quite a comprehensive system. It will be the devil to unwind it, but that’s only problematic for domestic currency. It won’t affect the supra-sovereign liquidity of the sdr system being enhanced through the destruction of domestic governments and peoples.
The elite see it as win/win to eliminate the ‘parasitical elements’.
@frances snoot
Well if it is and the dollar goes down, as it seems the SDR goes down since it’s in the SDR basket. Can’t compete with gold.
In time, various countries will no doubt try implement various models of backing their currencies. Everything from quantum encrypted talley sticks to common stocks.The Man from Glad
May it be so. And in the process centralization must be avoided as much as possible.
@ ROVSKI
hold on
The money Masters
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXb-LrVkuwM&feature=related
http://vids.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&VideoID=58467925
Ring of Power
http://www.sharethetruth.tv/v/1268,14.secret-rulers-of-the-world-godfathers/rothschild%5B14/29%5D.html
Zeitgeist, The Movie – Remastered / Final Edition
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-594683847743189197#
Fabled Enemies Full Length
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=28tE0fKpISM&feature=related
America: Freedom to Fascism – Director’s Authorized Version
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1656880303867390173#
In one of those Vids is who are the share holders of the US Fed
also google the Creature from Jykell Island Edward Griffin
Hic
The Arms Trade Exploded: Inside Story – Is the US an honest broker in the Middle East? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkzmM9du7gw
“Plato envisages an omnipotent state that is more real than the individuals who live within it – a state that is to be ruled by a special elite of philosophers who have the ability to escape the world of sense experience and rise to the contemplation of universal Ideas. The soul knew these concepts in a life before its entrapment in a physical body, and can remember these Ideas when contact is made with actual things through the senses. When the soul encounters a copy of an Idea in the sense world, a process of reminiscence is set in motion making a man curious and spurring him on in his efforts to know reality. The few who are attuned to true reality are by natural right the rulers of the vast majority of men. True reality cannot be known by logic or reason – it can only be known through mystical experience (e.g., intuition and revelation). Only a select few, who have been endowed with the innate capacity to contemplate, are able to master the path to true knowledge.
For Plato, the criterion of morality is the interest of the state and the good life is one of selflessness and renunciation. Not only should a man shun the pleasures of the sense world in the name of loyalty to a higher dimension, he should also deny his individuality in the name of unity with the collective.”
http://www.quebecoislibre.org/younkins3.html
Youri:
A seesaw has a pivot: one goes down and another goes up. SDR is the whole advantage.
Damon Vrabel … excellent interview.
Part 1 : Well explained … in only a few minutes
Creature from Jekyll Island 1 of 12
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7auQEXTWomA
Second Look at the Federal Reserve by Edward Griffin 1 of 7
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F3TAh1gy6rc
I think youll find it in one of tees
@Frances Snoot
Plato was obsolete even when he first wrote. The Hebrew Scriptures predate him by around 700 years and have a far superior view of reality that has stood the test of time.
The arrogance of men in the face of nature defies contextuality. Men create gods to motivate their own brute instincts. They declare that ideas transcend feeling, motivated by a desire to enlarge their own form and being, declaring themselves the Irminsul.
But utopia never actualizes seeing as it is a declarative meaning apart.
“This interpretation is bolstered by the title of the book and nation, and its apparent confusion between the Greek for “no place” and “good place”: “Utopia” is a compound of the syllable ou-, meaning “no”, and topos, meaning place. But the homophonic prefix eu-, meaning “good,” also resonates in the word, with the implication that the perfectly “good place” is really “no place.”"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Utopia
@FBeard:
Are you Hebrew?
@F. Beard, Let’s see how serious Iceland is about bucking international finance. Maybe they can show the rest of us the way forward.
Skuldlausir money solution
“What creates prosperity in countries that can create its own resources without indebtedness, it is the most important power of governments. The only downside to this is that governments have to manage cash levels so that inflation does not occur. If they succeed it will be prosperity in the State. Then do not have to pay interest on loans and countries are not subject to creditor powers of big banks. Icelanders do not keep on borrowing. You can create your own resources. You can even pay your debts so, but you saved them with your own money, which has skuldlaust to travel, “says Bill Still.
http://www.secretofoz.com/
“For Plato, the criterion of morality is the interest of the state and the good life is one of selflessness and renunciation.”
aka: the stone tablet becomes “our shared values”
Are you Hebrew? Frances Snoot
Not that I know of. However, as a Christian I am encouraged to read all Scripture not just the New Testament. The Torah is a fascinating, timeless Book. Too bad that so few read it anymore or take it seriously. For instance:
“You shall not charge interest to your countrymen: interest on money, food, or anything that may be loaned at interest.
“You may charge interest to a foreigner, but to your countrymen you shall not charge interest, so that the LORD your God may bless you in all that you undertake in the land which you are about to enter to possess. Deuteronomy 23:19-21 (New American Standard Bible)
from http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Deuteronomy+23:19-21&version=NASB
Franklybearded:
As a Christian you should know that Talmudic law does not apply to you.
Let’s see how serious Iceland is about bucking international finance. Maybe they can show the rest of us the way forward. The Man from Glad
Yep. The bankers picked the wrong people to screw with. The Vikings are no brown-skinned people that can be conveniently oppressed. I wish them success.
Bank of America Says Trades Were Wrongly Classified http://noir.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601087&sid=aBFqFyA0m_k4
The bankrupt securities firm was accused of using repurchase agreements called Repo 105s to move assets off its balance sheet to hide leverage.
It wrongly classified $10.7 billion of short-term repurchase and lending transactions as sales from 2007 to 2009. “Certain sales of agency mortgage-backed securities should have been recorded as secured borrowings rather than sales,” bank spokesman Jerry Dubrowski said.
The transactions involved six so-called dollar-roll trades completed during 2007, 2008 and 2009. The bank transferred mortgage-backed securities to a trading partner with the idea of receiving different securities later and classifying the deals as sales, the Wall Street Journal reported yesterday. The securities the bank received were similar to those it got rid of, meaning the transactions can’t be considered sales.
As a Christian you should know that Talmudic law does not apply to you. Frances Snoot
I have not nor will I read the Talmud. It is merely man’s often faulty interpretation of the Torah which is the Word of God. Nor am I bound to follow the Old Testament Law yet it is a sublime source of wisdom that we neglect to our own loss.
FBeard:
Was does the F sound like?
(One might want to avoid overtly-bigoted statements in the forwarding of the gospel according to Beard)
Here, knock yourself out, MasterBeard:
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=35&letter=T
Toxicologists Say Corexit “Ruptures Red Blood Cells, Causes Internal Bleeding”, “Allows Crude Oil To Penetrate “Into The Cells” and “Every Organ System
http://www.nakedcapitalism.com/2010/07/guest-post-toxicologists-say-corexit-%E2%80%9Cruptures-red-blood-cells-causes-internal-bleeding%E2%80%9D-allows-crude-oil-to-penetrate-%E2%80%9Cinto-the-cells%E2%80%9D-and-%E2%80%9Cevery-organ-s.html
Was does the F sound like? Frances Snoot
http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/220764
and on the fifth day they sat in a circle and ate egg salad sandwiches.
Here, knock yourself out, MasterBeard: Frances Snoot
Nope. I’ve already read Isaiah 53 .
Analysis – Gloom starts to lift in euro zone crisis http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66847620100709
French Economy Minister Christine Lagarde told U.S. broadcaster PBS Wednesday that the worst was over.
“We are in the middle of the beginning of the end. The crisis has really hit its peak,” she said.
ahaahahahhhhhhhh! They say that every time “The worst is over” heck half way 2009 they said the crises would abate at the e3nd of 2009. aahahah! Well we see what happened. BS!!!!!
Fiat currencies must die for their to be any justice. The Fed’s ability to prestidigitate money out of fairy dust, gives them incredible power. This is too much power for any organization. The fact that the world allowed this to happen is the real disaster. Asset based currency keeps people honest and is a real store of value. Many moons ago the American H2 Association made a suggestion that US dollars be backed by kW/hrs. Money is energy and it must be treated with respect. Look at what derivatives have done to us!!
Economy prompts closure of 100 dental offices in Arizona http://phoenix.bizjournals.com/phoenix/stories/2010/07/12/story3.html?b=127890
Economists see U.S. recovery weakening: survey http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6690BE20100710
ahahahaah! There NEVER was a recovery!!!!!! BS!!!
Wholesale sales fall in May, inventories rise http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66837B20100709
Many moons ago the American H2 Association made a suggestion that US dollars be backed by kW/hrs. Money is energy and it must be treated with respect. Adryzonian
Excellent idea for a private currency! An electric utility could pay its workers and bills with “Kilowatt Currency” that it would accept in exchange for power. Every business could issue its own currency good for its goods and services.
German labour office chief says crisis not over http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE6690Y520100710
No kidd’n Sherlock! ROFL!!!
REAL NEWS NETWORK ..
( Serious Reporting as usual )
IS ANY DEEP WATER DRILLING SAFE?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u74ivjdyt3M
The Truther Girls: RBC Bank Bombing: Evidence of False Flag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0NMMa3JxBQ
@F. Beard
Thanks for your replies.
Since I accept the logic and morality of anarchism / voluntaryism, I simply can’t condone any form of government or government action – though, that said, you have my full support for reducing government to 0 in whatever timeframe seems best to you – though, be aware that timeframe is dictated by the market in aggregate, as it should be.
>> Marxism did not lead to the withering away of the state but liberty can if we are patient as well as principled.
Not sure why you reference Marxism here. I am vehemently opposed to any form of statism and don’t consider Marx an anarchist (nor many of the self-confessed anarchists for that matter). Marxism is just confusion.
There is no patience when morality is concerned. Rape, taxation, murder, harassment, fraud, debt slavery of the unborn – I have no patience to wait to see the immediate end of these things. To whose benefit this patience??
Stop the violence – ALL of it and NOW.
THAT is a principle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voluntaryism
SAIC – Ultra-police state infrastructure to protect the bankers from the slaves http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=178795.0
so basically Max your telling us we’re screwed!! My house debt is killing me. I live in Las Vegas, one of the most upside down real estate markets in the U.S. So is deflation going to be the normal for how long? I don’t see Bernanke sending out more money to the banks, but I see governments issuing massive stimulas packages. This fractional reserve banking system is just a huge Ponzi scheme,…get back to Austrian economics! I liked this guest Max,seemed very aware of the mess the world is in,…I don’t see an enlightenment coming,..just more wars.
The Vanishing American Consumer and the Coming Trade War http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/the-vanishing-american-co_b_640836.html
@FBeard:
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=da%20fuck
@fs
agree, we truly are
@not-a-rabbi-but-i-liketa-dabble-my-legs-in-isaiah-53:
Whatdoya think of this?
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/spaemann1/English
(well-written in my opinion)
There is no patience when morality is concerned. Rape, taxation, murder, harassment, fraud, debt slavery of the unborn – I have no patience to wait to see the immediate end of these things. To whose benefit this patience Adam C
First, I did not mean to imply you were a Marxist. I only meant that a truly free
market would eventually result in a minimal state. And we must be patient (not with rape or murder of course; bring the troops home now!) because we must have practical as well as principled solutions before the current system is fixed or replaced.
@Vrabel
ummmm…DENNIS KUCINICH is ALL of those things. maybe YOU need to wake the eff up.,
Whatdoya think of this? Francis Snoot
I am a Libertarian; I do not seek to impose my ideas on anyone. Still, I will advocate them if you don’t mind.
Lindsay Williams – Oil Disaster Update Jeff Rense show 01/07/10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwmWTRQH74
Acording to Web Bot the Oil will spill for 90 Months until a Earthquake will stop it http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=165429.msg988422#msg988422
A “data gap” has been found between early 2012 running through May 2013. One explanation is that “our civilization gets knocked back to a pre-electronic state,” such as brought about by devastating solar activity.
A new benign form of capitalism will emerge during 2017-2020
More BS! – BP to remove well cap to install new one http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bp-to-remove-well-cap-to-install-new-one-2010-07-09
Oil Pressure 40,000 Pounds Per Square Inch!!!!
The Truther Girls: RBC Bank Bombing: Evidence of False Flag http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F0NMMa3JxBQ Youri Carma
That is one impressive activist female.
Libertarian and Christian are oxymorons, Beardsley. Besides, I was asking about the article purport: that the state doesn’t define value but seeks to uphold legal precedent based on common law.
“But a modern secular state is supposed to be based on law, not a set of substantive value commitments. Indeed, although a state committed to individual freedom demands obedience to its laws, it does not demand agreement with the values which form the basis of its legal system. This is the cornerstone of modern freedom, painfully won in the wake of the wars of religion. So talking about the state as a “community of values” is dangerous because it tends to undermine this secular principle in favor of a dictatorship of political convictions.”
http://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/spaemann1/English
Besides, I was asking about the article purport: that the state doesn’t define value but seeks to uphold legal precedent based on common law. Francis Snoot.
Sounds OK to me. I desire a minimal state at most. See 1 Samuel 8:4-22. Furthermore, I cannot conceive of the truth needing state coercion.
i hope the Nazi’s didn’t get Marc.
Oil Pressure 40,000 Pounds Per Square Inch!!!! Youri Carma
I’ve read of jets of water at that pressure used to cut steel.
Dutch Renting Prices for houses over €600 a month declined 4.3% in the last 6 months (google trans from Dutch) http://tinyurl.com/2baudec
a simple solution……in 1999 the government repealed the decades old glass-stegall law which prevented investment banks to merge with commercial banks. We need to immediately RE-INSTATE the glass-stegall law to break up the banks, then in accordance with other countries simply cancel most of the debt the countries owe and let the major banks fail. We then can setup new banks or restructure old ones with a new fixed exchange rate urrency system.
If you mention glass-stegall around bankers you will hear their screaches echo around the world, it is their worst nightmare therefore we need to re-instate it immediately.
http://ics.leeds.ac.uk/papers/pmt/exhibits/1953/welcho4.pdf
David Welch
Nazi Propaganda and the Volksgemeinschaft:
Constructing a People’s Community
Journal of Contemporary HistoryCopyright © 2004 SAGEPublications, London, Thousand Oaks, CAand
New Delhi, Vol 39(2), 213–238. ISSN 0022–0094.
DOI: 10.1177/0022009404042129
@F. Beard
Yep that’s why they won’t be able to stop the oil spill.
easy money. http://www.oftwominds.com/blogjuly10/con-of-decade07-10.html
@Adam C.
I seems to me that you think that the government some how acts within a vacuum. In reality they operate out of the forces and influences present in the people that form the government.
Most violence is therefore really just carried out on behalf of the most dominant influences that make up the government. Specifically the main forces influencing government violence are religion and private (corporate) interests. The best that can be hoped is to have separation of religion and corporate interests from government.
If we eliminate government what is left to dampen the these 2 violent pillars of repression. I see nothing to stop them in your solutions therefore choose the imperfect government.
Nice March.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZMKBIAWHZk&feature=related
European Commission investigating the corrupt ugly MTF Herman Van Rompuy who let the French electricity producer GDF-Suez gaining billions illigaly.
(google trans from French) http://tinyurl.com/32yoqhj
(google trans from Dutch) http://tinyurl.com/32hghra
“Yep that’s why they won’t be able to stop the oil spill.”
“Propoganda gives force and direction to the successive movements of popular feeling and desire; but it does not do much to create these movements. The propagandist is a man who canalises an already existing stream. In a land were there is no water, he digs in vain.” (adolf hitler)
@F. Beard
>> First, I did not mean to imply you were a Marxist.
Thanks for clarifying.
>> …we must have practical as well as principled solutions…
And from another comment…
>> …as a Christian…
Without wishing to create a controversy (though given the ‘touchy’ nature of certain subjects…), your leaving a seat at the head of a smaller, more “practical” table for a bullying authority figure: the State (just a little one) or a God (just a kindly one) now makes sense to me – though not too much sense, obviously.
When a christian-liberarian meets an atheist-anarchist…
Please don’t take offense, F. Beard.
Just in case we find ourselves having further exchanges, it’s as well to be upfront about our ‘positions’ and the likely limitations of our arguments given our ‘weakness’ and ‘delusions’ – all yours, of course.
A.
Was Adolf Hitler off his rocker, or was he half right?
When a christian-liberarian meets an atheist-anarchist… Adam C
I wish to move as close to anarchism as is possible but realize it will take time. Meanwhile, I hope we find ourselves useful “fellow travelers.”
Amazing footage … power … seduction … history rhymes.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yf6_zKLbykQ
@Max
Awsome question : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8VN94f9bkOc#t=6m12s
@frances snoot
We don’t have to discuss this we just can see what happens with the oil spill.
@Happy Dick
The China Problem
@Gordo
>> I seems to me that you think that the government some how acts within a vacuum. In reality they operate out of the forces and influences present in the people that form the government.
Seems to you. I, of course, point out (as per your own analysis of government) that ‘government’ is nothing more than people who call themselves the “government” and being people they cannot exist in a vacuum. By showing them as individuals we unmask their assumed right to exist in a vacuum of moral rules that we, non-”government” individuals life and prosper by – accepting violent criminals, of course – though the cleverest of those go to work in government.
>> The best that can be hoped is to have separation of religion and corporate interests from government.
I’d call this the necessary minimum and given the amount of ‘wake up’ that seems to be happening, the most likely demand of ‘the people’.
>> If we eliminate government what is left to dampen the these 2 violent pillars of repression. I see nothing to stop them in your solutions therefore choose the imperfect government.
I agree with you on both corporations and religions being repressive.
If we eliminate a monopoly of force what is to stop a monopoly of force from taking its place? Correct me if I’m wrong, but that could be a more direct way of framing your concern.
Firstly, who’s “them”? Secondly, how does this “them” exist without a government? Thirdly, how does this “them” gain the funds to create an army to replace the army of the government in order to carry out their “repression” (wouldn’t other “thems” do the same and thus lessen the effective strength of all individual “them-bot” armies?)
Religions are state-subsidied to divide people, cause conflict and to take the religiously earnest out of any serious or meaningful discussion about societal solutions.
Corporations are state-created, mandated, funded (corporation taxes that dissuade competition) and protected.
Without government force, your geniune fears of repression are eased.
Of course, religion will still exist in a non-state society as will limited-liability companies (given enough insurance), though companies without state protection from liabilities i.e., corporations won’t exist.
The government is at the nexus of it all – why? – because it’s the only institution that has been able to con the people that its violence is moral. It’s an amazing achievement of evil!
@F. Beard
>> I hope we find ourselves useful “fellow travelers.”
*Extends a hand of friendship*
Preface to Beyond Good and Evil, Nietzsche:
“Supposing that Truth is a woman– what then? Is there not ground for suspecting that all philosophers, in so far as they have been dogmatists, have failed to understand women- that the terrible seriousness and clumsily importunity with which they have usually paid their addresses to Truth, have been unskilled and unseemly methods for winning a woman? Certainly, she has never allowed herself to be won…”
http://books.google.com/books?id=Dg6SArOSCmQC&dq=beyond+good+and+evil+nietzsche&printsec=frontcover&source=bn&hl=en&ei=v6A4TNDtMIH98AathtmmBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=4&ved=0CCUQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q&f=false
for FBeard: “For Christianity is Platonism for the ‘People’”
@Frances Snoot,
Nietzsche went insane, no? I’d rather not. I find reading Torah has done wonders for my sanity. I highly recommend it. Plus, it claims to be the Word of God. There is a very distinct possibility that it is, IMO. Otherwise, I could spend another 40 years (if I live that long) wondering in the desert with no hope.
Damon Vrabel should team up with Douglass Rushkoff. Whenever I hear or read Damon, I think Life Inc.. I bet the two of them could figure out some kind of project to do together. Each would definitely benefit from corresponding with the other.
@Adam C,
I went to see Carol King and James Taylor last night in chicago live. They are still great even in their 60′s.
Congrats @ Arizona. Payday lenders are leaving the state.
Hoping for a renaisancce is ueseless, it did not come about for the masses in the first place, why would it now? Meanwhile his forlmula is simple, make real assets back money..my idea, the concept behind my bartering engine..Any asset can back money, just like right now any brainwave of a wankerbanker can..
OT Jibber Jabber:
BP
Gulf toxicologist: Shrimpers exposed to Corexit “bleeding from the rectum”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X1mI-DJII1U
Gulf Oil Spill Science Experiment On All Says Biologist
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jqEC_Bgkbg
UN FEMA COVER UP Maps Glitch Hiding White Vans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4N6YoDw_afE
http://www.youtube.com/user/ProjectGulfImpact
re desperant:
WTF! (World Tennis Federation)
Why are they trying to disperse the oil when the purpose should be to collect it?!
THE MOTHER of all Conspiracy Theories ?
Lucus at Brave New Books 1/27/2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q_GeAy2MCzc
I’m on part 5 right now.
A hobby researcher has joined many dots together ….. must watch IMO !
The Dots :
The Norway Spiral during Copenhagen
Financial System Fraud
911
Rumsfeld & the missing Pentagon Trillions
Denver Airport & CIA
500 mio. population limit
Ancient sone drawings
etc. etc.
It all sounds a bit crazy , sort of Nibiru stuff, but interesting facts brought to light all the same.
“Plato was obsolete even when he first wrote. The Hebrew Scriptures predate him by around 700 years and have a far superior view of reality that has stood the test of time.”
The quote from Plato was not an attempt by me to interrupt your ‘journey of faith’, F.Beard, but rather as reference to this insert where you indicate a belief that the ontological progression of a transcendent sign originated in the Hebrew law.
I agree with Nietzsche that no one has been ‘freed’ by their adherence to Christian dogma.
If Greece went back to the Drachma it would lose 80 percent against the German mark or a smaller Euro, Spain’s peso would also fall 50% and so would Portugal and Ireland old-new currencies.
… but rather as reference to this insert where you indicate a belief that the ontological progression of a transcendent sign originated in the Hebrew law. Francis Snoot
An ontological argument for the existence of God attempts the method of a priori proof, which uses intuition and reason alone.[1] The argument examines the concept of God, and states that if we can conceive of the greatest possible being, then it must exist. from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ontological_argument
I’m not sure what you are saying but my belief in a Creator is based on probability theory among other reasons and justifications. For instance consider the question “Why is there anything?” The answer is: “Because nothing (zero on a number line, for example) is extremely (infinitely?) improbable. The most likely state is chaos yet a sufficiently advanced order will eventually arise out of chaos, given enough time, and be Sovereign from that moment on: Isaiah 43:10
really OT – Bought some Icelandic fish last night! All of the sudden, there’s a glut of Icelandic fish at our grocery store. Had to get it to support Iceland. Besides, it was the only stuff that said “wild caught” on it; everything else was “farm-raised” in Canada, Ecuador, and the US. Interesting thing about the Icelandic fish is that the package says “wild-caught in Iceland; processed in China.” Talk about oil-soaked food!
@Adam C.
“If we eliminate a monopoly of force what is to stop a monopoly of force from taking its place? Correct me if I’m wrong, but that could be a more direct way of framing your concern.”
That is pretty much my concern.
Thanks for the reply. I’ll have to think about it a bit.
I love what Damon is trying to do. It’s nice to see him down-leveling his messaging into something that is more accessible to the masses, but he still has a long way to go, and I’m not sure that he’ll ever get there on his own. A big impediment is the conspiracy theory that forms the foundation of his message. Even if you accept the conspiracy as true, and I do, it leaves his message subject to easy dismissal. That’s too bad because the conspiracy is not needed to establish the reality of his vortex.
Great post from Jesse:
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2010/07/austerity-or-stimulus-without.html
far superior view of reality that has stood the test of time
I’m sorry for the confusion, F.Beard. Stood the test of time: transcendence. Far superior view of reality: sign. Transcendent sign:
“Transcendence can be attributed to the divine not only in its being, but also in its knowledge.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcendence_(religion)
The occurrence of a transcendent sign cannot be attested to probability because the incidence of probability is melded within the construct relative to the originary of the perspective of the applicant.
It’s really a matter of faith in the metaphysics of presence, which you have within the context of the ‘holy writ’, and I do not.
I’m not bothered by the lack.
The most likely state is chaos
This is axiomatic.
@Mep – and where do you live that you got Icelandic fish processed in China?
It’s really a matter of faith in the metaphysics of presence, which you have within the context of the ‘holy writ’, and I do not.
I’m not bothered by the lack. Francis Snoot
I find that strange but of course I respect your right to believe whatever you wish.
No crusades for Snoot? tsk tsk
Here’s Jesse’s version of the metaphysics of presence:
“God’s presence is not discerned at the time when it is upon us, but afterwards, when we look back upon what is gone and over. The world seems to go on as usual. There is nothing of heaven in the face of society, in the news of the day.
And yet the ever-blessed Spirit of God is there, ten times more glorious, more powerful than when He trod the earth in our flesh.”
http://jessescrossroadscafe.blogspot.com/2010/07/readings-for-weekend.html
What would y’all do without that ‘holy writ’? I do mean.
@ Stacy – Rochester, NY. I know . . . I immediately thought about the oil, but was able to justify buying it. (My justification = the little consumption I actually do outside of buying food & not wanting to buy farm-raised stuff where the poor fish are raised living on top of eachother in a tank or whatever the heck they use). The cooler is full of flash-frozen haddock fillets and all kinds of other stuff from Iceland . . . have to read the fine print to see the processed in China part. But we got a couple of perch fillets.
Y’all just gotta believe, Stella. Just cuz y’all can’t eye God, don’t mean he done left town.
I am having a wavering of my faith, Cleetus.
A little shimmy-shammy don’t mean y’all dontgotno faith, Steller. Yur faith is just behavin’ like a fish a’floppin’ on the grass. Throw that air fish back-in-the-water!
I’m thinkin’ the Buddists are right, Cleetus. Life is sufferin’ fur sure.
But Steller, y’all got me!
Like I said…
And y’all can wish fur that day to come-bless baby jesus-when we’un’s get to them pearly gates! HALLELUJAH!
Y’all ever read Nietzche, Cleetus? He got sum good tawlk.
Yep. Sure-as-tootin’, but that’s all it be: tawlk. We’uns gut the Bible, King James Version-bless baby jesus-to see us home!
We-allz do?
Sure nuff. Chuck that ole Nee-say into the pond, Steller.
But y’all said to throw my faith into the pond, Cleetus! I’m afeared with Nietsche in that air pond with my faith a’swimmin’ about. Might get frac-shus.
I do declare, Steller. Y’all gotta stop that readin’- done touched-ya-in-the-head fur sure!
. . . it’s really crazy if you think about the oil it took to get that fish here compared to how much it actually cost to buy. 2 fillets were $6.74; I can only buy 2.38 gallons of gas for that amount of $!
@Gordo
“If we eliminate a monopoly of force what is to stop a monopoly of force from taking its place?” – Adam C
>> That is pretty much my concern.
I really wonder if this question is the final bump to get over at the very top of hill towards anarchism: this faith that peace could be lasting just doesn’t seem a reasonable at first – as if somehow ‘we’re not worthy’ – but we are.
These books WILL help:
Everyday Anarchy (PDF)
http://www.freedomainradio.com/FreeBooks/EverydayAnarchy.aspx
…what does the word “anarchy” really mean? It simply means a way of interacting with others without threatening them with violence if they do not obey. It simply means “without political violence.” When we think of a society without political violence – without governments – specters of chaos and brutality always arise for us, immediately and, it would seem, irrevocably. However, it only takes a moment of thought to realize that we live the vast majority of our actual lives in complete and total anarchy – and call such anarchy “morally good.” …love, marriage, family, career, finances – we all make our major decisions in the complete absence of direct political coercion. Thus – if anarchy is such an all-consuming, universal evil, why is it the default – and virtuous – freedom that we demand in order to achieve just liberty in our daily lives? …we must recognize the basic paradox: We love the anarchy we live. We fear the anarchy we imagine – the anarchy we are taught to fear.’
Practical Anarchy (PDF)
http://www.freedomainradio.com/FreeBooks/PracticalAnarchy.aspx
‘To gain the beauty and virtue of anarchism, we sacrifice nothing but our illusions. The truth, as Socrates gave his life to show, remains highly threatening to entrenched interests and has a very personal and volatile effect on our immediate relationships. In reality, it is not so much a stateless society that we fear, but rather a family-less and friendless society where we rock gently, hugging our useless truths to our chests; solitary, ostracized, alone, rejected, scorned, derided. The truth is a desert island, we fear, and so as evolutionarily social animals, we join our corrupt circles in mocking and attacking the truth, and resent those who tell the truth, for revealing the corruption that formerly was only visible unconsciously. You may find that as you read this book, you experience a rising frustration and irritation with its contents – and possibly with me as well, if experience is any guide. It is not my fault that you have been lied to your whole life long.’
Both are quick reads (less than 100 pages broken into short, punchy sections).
No crusades for Snoot? tsk tsk Francis Snoot
Meaning I should care more? I take comfort in this:
” Overmuch care is worse than none at all, …”
and
For He says to Moses, ” I WILL HAVE MERCY ON WHOM I HAVE MERCY, AND I WILL HAVE COMPASSION ON WHOM I HAVE COMPASSION.” Romans 9:15
And yet the ever-blessed Spirit of God is there, ten times more glorious, more powerful than when He trod the earth in our flesh.” Cardinal Newman via Jesse’s Cafe via Francis Snoot
To which I say, “Chapter and verse, please?”
What would y’all do without that ‘holy writ’? I do mean. Francis Snoot
Well, it took me quite a while to decide who my spiritual authority should be. I am well satisfied.
Yes, mote may it be, FBeard.
“Thats the key – whats the key ? – the release if fear, the release of energy”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLpLU7D7MWk
Or a mustard seed.
For Adam:
Anarchism in America. Not the best doc., but it’s interesting nonetheless.
“Thats the key – whats the key ? – the release of inner fear, the release of pressure, the release of energy”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zLpLU7D7MWk
How do violent “anarchists” get away with it? Are they tolerated as convenient boogieman to terrorize the population? Are they unwitting dupes?
Ain’t no crusades fur no Snoot. Leave that air one in the outter darkness where they do weap and gnash them teeth. Grind-her-up-n spit her out!
Cleetus, that ain’t hoss-spit-able.
Sick of that wuman, Ma! She don’t know her’n place. She’z to keep quiet in the church and wear that cover to show RESPECT fur us’n menfolk.
I’m wunderin’ if y’all deserve it, Cleetus, with that air speel yur singin’.
Don’t gotta deserve… It Be WRITTEN by the hand of god!
Well, y’all can’t read wurth two pennies.
I trust Pastor Bob, Ma. He done told Sister Betty-Anne to shut her yap last Sunday.
Sure nuff, but Pastor Bob is a-part of that glorious “link in a chain, a bond of connection between persons”. And yur only Cleetus with a C.
Shoot, Ma. God meant that fur all men. We’un’s ain’t the rib-end, like all y’all wumen be.
zzang-snap
OWEE. Why ya go chuck that shoe at my head fur, Ma?
Yur headed fur more’n a shoe-to-the-head, Cleetus. Y’all go on outside and holp Steller weed them collards. That’d be god’s wurk fur today!
@all – very interesting conversation; one of the best ever; I’m glad the interview (or what there is of it available online at the moment anyway) inspired the dialogue and debate
@Adam C – are there any perfect anarchic societies you can give us as an example of what you see as ideal way to live? sounds like many amazonian, native american and african tribes essentially operate(d) as such and yet they were vulnerable to organized states that came in and stole their land and wealth; from what I can observe in history books it seems people more often go the extreme opposite way, in fact, and choose powerful rulers/dictators that will act violently toward a group or certain people; by the way, we are interviewing Stefan of FreeDomainRadio next week, so if you have any questions you have in mind, please post them here
@dorkfromcork:
classic
“when He trod the earth in our flesh”
OUR flesh? Now that’s transubstantiation!
Sick of that wuman, Ma! She don’t know her’n place. She’z to keep quiet in the church and wear that cover to show RESPECT fur us’n menfolk. re: that wuman Snoot
Galatians 3:28
Actually, women are supposed to cover their hair in church because a nice head of hair can be very distracting.
@MizzStacy:
Cleetus is a’brayin that he be an “angel of peace, a preacher of truth in my own place”. That ain’t true-to-tell, air it?
This-n-be Billy Bob a’askin y’all.
Yep. I do ‘gree with y’all, F’n-Beard. I done counted sixteen cooties in Sister Jane-Louis’n hair last Sunday. Them coots was a swingin’ and a’singin’ fit to beat the choir!
I like what-y’all has-to-say, btw.
Cleetus CFA
@Mep:
>> Anarchism in America. Not the best doc., but it’s interesting nonetheless.
Thanks, Mep. I think I watched this a while back on Google Video before I knew what true anarchism was all about i.e., non-violence in every sphere of human interaction – even your psychological interaction your self e.g. no ‘depression’ or other forms of negative self-attack.
(All this is best explained by the hundreds of podcasts on http://www.freedomainradio.com)
Anyway, in the interests of ‘arming’ myself with foreknowledge of violent, so-called anarchists, I’ll give it another watch.
@F. Beard
>> How do violent “anarchists” get away with it? Are they tolerated as convenient boogieman to terrorize the population? Are they unwitting dupes?
I know I’m not qualified to answer this question because I came to non-violent anarchism before the violent kind. From what I understand (and I suppose to effectively argue *for* peaceful anarchism AKA voluntaryism, I need a better understanding of the nonsense anarchism that inevitably clouds the debate), violent anarchists consider violence appropriate because they haven’t got a philosophical/moral argument that backs their stance against a centralised state. So what they are left with is the ‘pragmatic’ view that “might is right” pretty much applied generally with random aesthetic preferences thrown i.e., “itz da gubberment, maaan”, “itz for mai peeples, innit”. And described that way, I can see why, like most people, I avoided learning about anarchism. In the absense of deep understanding, instinct is still usually right.
“unwitting dupes” “convenient boogieman” Sounds about right
Re: non-violent anarchists vs. violent anarchists, seems to me that in part, it’s the same as the difference between followers of MLK and Malcom X. There will always be a group of people who choose violence, b/c they feel it’s necessary in order to make their preferred social changes come more quickly. Social changes that arise out of social movements take a loooooooooooooooong time to come about. IMO, it’s a question of patience. Some people would rather use forms of violence to speed the process in hopes that they can see the fruits of struggle materialize before they die.
Well when it comes to Gods theres always Ja-bu-lan. Is that how you pronounce it?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sIXqsJzbSus
Psychic Octopus predicts Spain and who am i to argue with a cephalopod mollusk that spans multi demsions!!
@Stacy
>> are there any perfect anarchic societies you can give us as an example of what you see as ideal way to live?
I can’t. I haven’t studied enough. I’ve heard one such society mentioned in support example of a particular aspect of anarchism/voluntaryism – but I can’t remember the source of the reference. I’m crap. Sorry.
I wouldn’t presume to tell anyone how to live or what an ideal would be except for the common sense suggestion that the ideal for reasonable people would likely be an environment of non-violence, that is, the non-initiation of force to solve social problems. ‘Practical Anarchy’ linked above provides solutions. I think we’re headed into brand new territory and don’t need to model a better future on an ideal past because there simply isn’t one – as far as I know – at least, not one with the internet, which is the precise reason why we have the knowledge to create this new opportunity.
>> sounds like many amazonian, native american and african tribes essentially operate(d) as such and yet they were vulnerable to organized states that came in and stole their land and wealth; from what I can observe in history books it seems people more often go the extreme opposite way, in fact, and choose powerful rulers/dictators that will act violently toward a group or certain people
Yeah, violence and then the belief that more violence can solve the prior violence – and then of course finding it doesn’t and because of the impatience, frustration and sense of injustice – violence being attempted again. If you spot the trend, or are just born into the ‘wealth’ of the violent classes, then isn’t it rational to say, ‘well, mankind is just violent and isn’t ever going to change,’ and so participating in violence not only to survive but also to get a ahead a little? This is why we need philosophy and the lessons of history.
>> by the way, we are interviewing Stefan of FreeDomainRadio next week, so if you have any questions you have in mind, please post them here
Awesome! And as you know, I’m a big fan of Stefan and the FDR communiity and pretty much get all my anarchist/voluntaryist education from them.
Question. Hmm. I think what I’m really interested in now is how the various strains of the freedom/truth-telling movement are coming together: the economics/finance/markets people, the politics/scandal people and the law/legalese/freeman-on-the-land people… (I’ve tried to aggregate a small selection of that stuff on http://www.twoplustwoequalsfour.org)… umm, something that would tease those connections out.
I know… what does he think of the current enthusiasm for the ‘golden age’ libertarian/minarchist, small-government, state-banking reforms as proposed by Ellen Brown and Damon Vrabel.
I think this issue needs to be thoroughly debated especially since I think it’ll generate a lot of false hope which will quickly burnout into massive disappointment and then perhaps to frustrated calls for a ‘strong man’ to “take back” federal government, i.e, the next puppet president presumably offered by the blue team.
The Daily Bell comments on this from an economic perspective – http://www.thedailybell.com/630/Brownians.html but I’d like to hear a philosophical view.
NB, Stefan Molyneux has already examined the flaws in ‘golden age’ libertarianism in ‘How (Not) to Achieve Freedom’ (PDF) http://www.freedomainradio.com/FreeBooks/HowNottoAchieveFreedom.aspx
@ Adam C – You’re welcome. For me, the most interesting parts of it were the discussions comparing and contrasting socialism, Marxism, communism, and libertarianism with anarchism. (I also really dug the old woman who spoke of homesteading and its intersection with anarchism.)
@Mep
>> Re: non-violent anarchists vs. violent anarchists… There will always be a group of people who choose violence, b/c they feel it’s necessary in order to make their preferred social changes come more quickly. Social changes that arise out of social movements take a loooooooooooooooong time to come about. IMO, it’s a question of patience.
Agreed. Patience (nod to F. Beard) coupled with withdrawl from systmes of violence, education, persistent enquiry with reason and evidience – cool heads shall prevail.
>> Some people would rather use forms of violence to speed the process in hopes that they can see the fruits of struggle materialize before they die.
Yes. This is exactly how I perceive the Brownian/Vrabellian state-banking, libertarian/constitutionalism/small government proposals as just another from of frustrated, self-deluded violence i.e., “What we really need is a different kind of government violence to solve the prior problems of government violence – Yay! Let’s stick it to the banksters! Power to the people!”
No, all power to violence, the worst of all addictions.
Anarchism in America
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5896151564855675002#
secession is all we have left
“The defining characteristic of the Second Vermont Republic is that there are two enemies, the United States government and corporate America” – Thomas Naylor http://jischinger.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/secession
And a chart of political economy plotting various flavours of anarchism and libertarianism
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2739/4370575362_59651a3d5c_o.png
Gulf Well Cap Removed, Oil Gushes Freely Again http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REa2ySovPxs
Lindsay Williams – Oil Disaster Update Jeff Rense show 01/07/10
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhwmWTRQH74
Oil Pressure 40,000 Pounds Per Square Inch!!!!
Acording to Web Bot the Oil will spill for 90 Months until a Earthquake will stop it
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=165429.msg988422#msg988422
More BS! – BP to remove well cap to install new one
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/bp-to-remove-well-cap-to-install-new-one-2010-07-09
Toxicologist: Shrimpers exposed to oil/Corexit mix suffered bleeding from rectum http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0710/toxicologist-shrimpers-exposed-oilcorexit-mix-suffered-bleeding-rectum/
This is exactly how I perceive the Brownian/Vrabellian state-banking, libertarian/constitutionalism/small government proposals as just another from of frustrated, self-deluded violence i.e., … Adam C
Change is near inevitable. The confused pols actually think “austerity”will work when what is needed is a bailout of the population instead.
@ Adam C – If I am to be honest, I have to admit that there is a part of me that cannot completely admonish violence. Just as there are some whose only language is money, there are some who only understand violence (often, it seems, those people are one in the same). The early anarchists, socialists, radical trade unionists, and communists who went on to form the Industrial Workers of the World were only able to get some concessions from the ruling elite by putting forth a policy of not initiating violence, but meeting violence with violence. If a trooper or militia member killed one of theirs, the IWW took a life in return.
I don’t know what the part of me that does not oppose violence says about me. Am I simply a flawed human being, or am I just as bad as a dictator who sends his troops out to kill innocents? I don’t know the answer. I’d like to think that it does not make me a horrible person or put me on the same level as the man who said the following upon receiving his Nobel Peace Prize:
We must begin by acknowledging the hard truth that we will not eradicate violent conflict in our lifetimes. There will be times when nations -acting individually or in concert – will find the use of force not only necessary but morally justified.
I make this statement mindful of what Martin Luther King said in this same ceremony years ago – “Violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones.” As someone who stands here as a direct consequence of Dr. King’s life’s work, I am living testimony to the moral force of non-violence. I know there is nothing weak, nothing passive, nothing naive, in the creed and lives of Gandhi and King.
But as a head of state sworn to protect and defend my nation, I cannot be guided by their examples alone. I face the world as it is, and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people. For make no mistake: evil does exist in the world. A non-violent movement could not have halted Hitler’s armies. Negotiations cannot convince al Qaeda’s leaders to lay down their arms. To say that force is sometimes necessary is not a call to cynicism – it is a recognition of history; the imperfections of man and the limits of reason. Full text.
I never disagreed with those words, but do disagree with the warping of them for Hitler’s actions are in no way comparable to the wars/occupations we’re waging today. So perhaps I am just as bad as Obama in thinking that my perceptions of when violence is in order can be justified, but others’ perceptions of when violence is in order can not be. I don’t know for sure. My gut tells me that I likely am.
@ Stacy
Although there are bodies which sets the standards for communication, (IETF, W3C, etc), the Internet itself could be thought of as an example of Anarchy — Individual ‘net providers/participants which have absolute liberty within their own domain, voluntarily cooperating to connect with each other across the whole globe without a real governing body dictating their actions. (Well, at least that’s how it started!)
Just did a search around this concept and found this piece “Anarchy on the Internet (and why it’s good)” [http://thescattering.wordpress.com/2009/11/24/anarchy-on-the-internet-and-why-its-good/] which references an article by Bruce Stirling who writes:
“Why do people want to be “on the Internet?” One of the main reasons is simple freedom. The Internet is a rare example of a true, modern, functional anarchy. There is no “Internet Inc.” There are no official censors, no bosses, no board of directors, no stockholders. In principle, any node can speak as a peer to any other node, as long as it obeys the rules of the TCP/IP protocols, which are strictly technical, not social or political.”
@ Majestic – Then there’s this, which, if memory serves, Stacy once linked to. (“The New Socialism: Global Collectivist Society Is Coming Online”)
@Majestic – yes good point; and ‘perfect citizen’ probably proves this is the case
@Mep
>> I have to admit that there is a part of me that cannot completely admonish violence.
Well, each of us has the capacity for violence – to deny this would be willfully anti-rational. But we ALWAYS have a choice about whether we initiate violence.
I guess the more a person has personally used violence OR been a willing party to and beneficiary of its use, the less that person can now be against violence whilst maintaining any semblance of personal integrity.
So perhaps what such a person really fears is being called a hypocrite. But for the sake of leaving a better world behind for future generations – I feel taking such criticism on the chin would be worth it.
(This stuff is hard for everybody, both the abused and the abusers.)
Freedomain Radio — #1551 Why We Are Different (MP3)
http://www.freedomainradio.com/Traffic_Jams/FDR_1551_why_we_are_different.mp3
Gisted — Because we have not harmed those who are helpless and dependent and subject to our power. And because we have not discharged our negative feelings—in the moment—onto others. The deferral of gratification is fundamental to the development of ethics and foundational to self-esteem because restraining yourself from hurting others means you’ve placed value on your future self. We have an innate sense of injustice and virtue: we are being abused but we do not discharge that abuse onto others because we sense happiness means not abusing which means that unhappiness is abuse and that if we want to be happy we have to do the opposite of that which is making both us and our abusers unhappy—in the present. Empathy is philosophy; empathy is empirical: I have feelings and I don’t like being hurt, others have feelings and they won’t like it if I hurt them. If you have harmed others you have done so because you have rejected the fundamental evidence that other people are just like you.
Internet and gold. James Turk (Goldmoney.com) mentioned…
‘In Gold We Trust’
http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/10.01/egold_pr.html
‘… classic gold money and the core mechanisms of the Internet are in fact strikingly analogous technologies. The international gold standard was one of the technical wonders of the highly globalized late-Victorian era – a sophisticated, elegant mechanism for transmitting value from one end of the civilized world to the other. National monies existed, of course, but in effect were just local network protocols running on top of the internetwork layer that connected them all. Or as the Nobel Prize-winning economist Robert Mundell has put it, “Currencies were just names for particular weights of gold.” Clearly, says Turk, if the Internet is going to become the engine of global commerce it’s cracked up to be, it needs a currency it can call its own – a currency as nonproprietary and international as the Internet itself. “And gold seems to be the logical candidate,” he says, “because after all, that’s gold’s traditional role. It’s international money.” ‘
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_Way_(centrism)
http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,581683,00.html (2008)
“Cameron also seeks the centrist ‘third way’ favored by Blair, except that Cameron calls it ‘compassionate conservatism’.”
example third way: tomstack blog:
http://my.telegraph.co.uk/tomstack/tomtom/14897593/About_the_Revolution/
Third way networking to bring about the Fabian Socialist new world order.
The right likes it; the left likes it; win/win!
http://www.newsweek.com/2008/11/04/obama-s-third-way.html
http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-297944A1.pdf
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Communitarianism
Revised version:
This episode is right on the money!!!!!!!!
A good example is Chicago. BP (British Petroleum) is still allowed to dump toxic chemicals into Lake Michigan, the source of drinking water for millions of Americans.
Bill Daley, the brother of Chicago’s Mayor Daley is the Midwest Chairman of J.P. Morgan Chase. (Remember, he was U. S. Secretary of Commerce under Clinton).
The citizens of Chicago were in an uproar about BP polluting our drinking water. What did the politicians do? Compromised politicians promised action but did NOTHING. Just like Stalin, they knew that to control the opposition , you have to lead it.
BTW, Mayor Daley’s family is very much in the derivatives business (Grosvenor etc.). Where is our city money invested? Where is all the pension money invested?
Mayor Daley and his brother Bill Daley had A LOT to do with getting Obama elected.
Stacy & Max-
This episode is excellent – get part 2 up ASAP!!!!
David Rockerfeler being abused by two lads as he arrives at a meeting of the CFR/TLC…..
In Dublin (WTF), May 2010..
(This is a good one)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nZh0FDS8p6I
Paul the octopus ensured another win and thus ending the word cup football in favour of Spain!
The animal must be endowed with super mental powers to have taken on Mani the parakeet and win.