Stacy Summary: On the Edge from Friday, July 23rd with Alex Jones to talk about the surveillance state now being reported in MSM.
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looks like you’re loosing weight mAx,…Stacy making you exercise?
Czars … how ironic !
Alex Jones is a scare monger and a profiteer from scare mongery. In a way he’s actually a part of the very problems he purports to be trying to expose. He profits from spreading fear and the terrified populus are lapping it up. I’m not saying he’s wrong. It’s a no-brainer really. Of course those in power seek to get more power. Of course they seek to control and increase there power. It’s never been any different. Where’s the surpise? The key is to transcend the problem. Alex Jones, by taking his stance of ‘against’ is stuck within the old paradigm. He’s merely reinforcing and strengthening the problem.
it.s ok Bonn. last night is under ta bridge. AJ is here. your favorite.
what is Kucinich talking about re America and war? for example, i have never personally advocated for war. i have never been asked my opinion on going to war or engaging in foreign conflict (from those implementing these decisions). yet, he keeps talking about “we.”
i love the internet: we can finally come together…and collectively say through our writings and videos, “I DID NOT SAY THAT!” i never said we should do this or that. all of these decisions…you are thrusting these onto us.
i am sure that i can go to a 1000 people around me and ask them, “did someone from the government ask you about this?” “did you call them and say, ‘hey we should go to war.’” all a big lie.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZksnZIRHxLw&feature=channel
Whoot whoot
listenin to AJ right now cant wait fer Tarpley weekly broadcast
will get to tis later
@Philippo … AJ making things worse ?
I can see where you are coming from, but seriously, has anyone else stood up and talked about the topics he has raised over the years.
Not many … maybe a few , but he is serious and full time on the job.
… like Max & Stacy on the Financials.
I agree that he sometimes goes overboard, but at least he is raising the issues.
@ MM
Also AJ has some great guests Everyone who criticizes AJ don’t take that into account
Hic
@Philippo
>> He’s merely reinforcing and strengthening the problem.
But by your own example, he’s not.
Here is the AJ process (as I see it):
1) Be the messenger: Point out to people that they are living in a false reality
2) “No-one is coming to save you”: Tell people that the messenger has no power to save them only warn them
3) Make appeals to FEAR if it still hasn’t sunk in yet: “No-one is coming to save you.” “The government is not going to save you.” “I, Alex Jones, am not going to save you.” “The elite ARE out to get you!”
4) Stand Alone: People eventually get the entire message, the entire process, and take steps in their own lives to save themselves
5) Check-in: People tune into AJ’s updates and assess the commenters to see if the process is working with others and to get a better idea of what societal forces they’ll be working with i.e., how to deal with people who are still living in that old false reality.
>> The key is to transcend the problem
Indeed. AJ is just a stepping stone and he says as much himself.
How about countersurveillance..the kiddyporn angle http://tinyurl.com/22lbkl5
I don’t doubt AJ. However, it seems like poor strategy to “declassify” all these docs to give AJ et al more ammo. If they (elites) really want to control, why not suppress these documents? He might be on-top-of-it for what the trends are…however, what if this is just another kind of “invisible hand” — an invisible hand constructed from the mathematics of “power,” a complement to other mathematical relationships like “power law.” I just don’t find the competence of any of these people (elites) individually credible…but their collective effect could have some kind of “intelligence.”
Here is an interesting story from the Los Angeles Times related to your topic (NSA and the Perfect Citizen program). Thought Max and Stacy might touch on this in your Saturday program if it’s not too late. Don’t forget to post your radio show in Itunes please.
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-adv-alaska-terrorists-20100723-1,0,5991303.story
@ Philippo
How is AJ makin millions ? I have’nt given him a Buck because I know its safe here in India but If I was in the US I would @ least be prepared whats wrong in being prepared with an investement of 5K.
This to me seems its the same atmosphere / climate in the world that was there before WW2 or hitler’s rise
JFK was an Inside Job
Gulf of Taunkin did not take place
Saddam asked Bush If I invade Kuwait would ya attack me
bush senior said no no Go ahead
MSM shows attrocities by Saddam ;-> Public outcry
Create the problem Covertly
Wait fer dummed down Public reaction
provide solution Invasion
Show doctored satalite pics to the King of Saudi of Saddams massive troop line up Bam US base in Saudi
9/11 inside Job Attack Afganistan
Weapons of Mass distruction
Chenney/Rumsfeld gives Saddam ONE BIOWEAPON in 1984 ; MSM show some archiac video of Saddam Killin an uprisin
Wait for public reaction
Bam Invade Iraq
Haliburton gets Oil fields
Hic
yep a gulag. http://www.thenation.com/article/37828/bp-hires-prison-labor-clean-spill-while-coastal-residents-struggle
As a strategy…
We should develop a common moniker to all those in power…something like “elites” to distinguish a “them vs us” effect.
Instead of bifurcating or fracturing the “elites” into all forms of categories, we need a common “name” to understand the core distinction between all of the elites, so we have more control over the debate and can focus everyone onto the right issues, which is to give people individual liberty, as opposed to giving away our rights to be administered by some foreign entity.
Always thought it mildly amusing that The BBC had Max on.
The blue rinse brigade having the pants scared off them by a Max bankster rant and rave. Gave me a wry smile, that. Could you imagine Alex Jones on the BBC ? LOL ITS needed though – fucking camera’s and helicopters everywhere. But try taking a photo yourself in public point at any building in the middle of London – 15mins at most before the police stop you.
max was right. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-10740817
The reason why they aint able to go ahead with thier WW 3 is because we have tear Playbook mate
We Know how they operate
They do not understand conducting a FALSE FLAG has a gazzillon loop holes
Why do you think the Anthrax letters were released right after 9/11
They did not want you to look at 9/11 closely
A->Covertly create the problem
B ;>wait for public outcry
C ;>Provide Solution
The Largest crime Scene in the world and Evidense was shipped out to China within 2 weeks or 2 months
@mirrormirror.
I aggree with you. Alex Jones has uncovered a handful of pretty important and worrying trends and scandals over the years. He’s scored some big ‘hits’ but he’s also made many, many, many more ‘misses’. I think he’s actually making things worse.
Einstein said that the solution to any problem can’t be found on the same level as the problem. You have to move to the next level. you have to transcend the problem and focus on solutions.
So, by all means identify the problem but then talk in terms of solutions. If you continually rant on and on and on and on about the ‘problem’ you only reinforce the belief in the problem in people’s minds. Jones isn’t actually solving anything he’s just reiterating the problem over and over and thus embedding it deeper in the nation’s psyche.
I don’t think AJ is really helping the situation. He’s fear mongering.
Google didn’t start as a G-Man front, but like all promising technologies, it was heavily invested in and supported by those people calling themselves “the government” and the moneymen who fund them.
Some DB thoughts on the infowar and internet:
Daily Bell — Afghan War Over, as Predicted?
‘What a difference a few years makes. The combination of a fiat-money collapse in the West combined with the ascension of the Internet, a truth-telling device of considerable power, has ravaged elite memes. The dominant social themes that worked so well in the 20th century are failing in considerable ways. We have seen this before of course, most prominently nearly 500 years ago when the Gutenberg press ushered in an era of increased truth-telling that led to the Renaissance, the Reformation and eventually the populating of a New World and “these united States.”
Often, the Bell receives criticism for not offering up “solutions” to the “problem” of power elite global promotions. It is hard to address these complaints on a piecemeal basis because it is necessary to put into context what is actually occurring – and that actually would mean writing an article like this one. Suffice it to say that what is happening now is a kind of huge and unstoppable tidal wave, one that is sweeping all before its path. Cultures and belief-systems will be reconfigured before all this is over. We believe the elite may have finally recognized this – certainly we see rhetorical indications that it has. (Perhaps elements read the Bell?)’
http://www.thedailybell.com/1228/Afghan-War-Over-as-Predicted.html
@ Bonn
what kind of language do you speak? does it have a name…or tis t al you?
@ Philippo
As a strategy, I don’t agree. Well, yes it may develop that fear mongering. But perhaps he is not the guy for the solutions. He is the messenger. I am impressed that he is able to get his hands on all the data that he does. Check youtube, I think he has like 5000 videos. The guy is maxed-out.
He is cornerstone. We have to build onto that foundation with those solutions you are desiring, I believe. Two things: We may still not understand the extent of things (eg Tonkin etc) and others in society need to catch-up.
@ In the end, we are all damned
I try to be on the Humour side of life while being a little serious on the Topics
Tas ta way I operate
If we loose our sense of Humour
It gets Boring
Tas why I love Max’s play with words
“Financial Terrorist” its actually freakin true
600 trill to 1200 odd nobody knows in CDO’s , OCD’s = “Financial Anit-matter”
Freakin Max sometimes Tops himself when I feel he can’t Top that
lololololol
He also mentioned the demand fer Moats & alligators was on the rise as the banksters steal Tax payer money
Hic
@ Bonn
I love your posts. I absolutely love them…very creative and fun! It is part of the reason that I want to come back here when I can! I was just curious if this has become a language for you…is there a group of people that speak this way…just curious. I love the smart humour!
By God If it was the french or British they woulda had a Week long Strike demanding the Truth maybe its the medication in the water that prevents US from going on Strike
The Ghandi method brought down the Britsh Empire
A freakin man in a Loin clothe without footware and a walkin stick brought down the British Empire
We need one more of those in USA and EU
IMF UN CFR EU etc need to be dissolved
they cannot show one success story
@ In the end, we are all damned
I read some 400 novels before I reached 10th Grade
I can assure you my English and Grammer can be perfect
But tas no Fun
lololol
Hic
You guys tend to forget,..there is a “war on terrorism”,.which in effect means,…YOU all out there,..that “hate” the governance of “our” system, are terrorists!
You do get this,..right?
: )
There is a certain percentage of any populace, who will dissent,..these folk are being monitored as we type ,….do ya see what it is yet !,..do ya do ya
This is the “real” reason for the Alex Jones of the Internet,…go figure
I am also 4th or 5th generation English speakin Dude me great great granddad was a barristor in the late 18th centuary
So I do know English by God
lololololol
ROFL
Hic
though he was practicin in Lahore Pakistan @ that time
AJ makes me think…maybe I should be checking to see if the NWO is hiring. The way he makes it sound, it is like myself and everyone here are the only ones not yet in on it. Who is the NWO coming after…pretty soon it will be just us folks, wherever you are! (850k just the tip of the iceberg)
Are any of you NWO?
@ Bonn
it is grammAr…lol
@ Bonn
look…i can wrap myself in a towel, walk outside shoeless and put a stick in my hand. it ain’t going to do a thing!
@ In the end, we are all damned
NWO is Show bussiness fer ugly peeps
How the ‘us vs them’ problem will REALLY be solved.
When people realise they don’t actually know who “us” is or who “them” is and actively resist the standard appeals to tribalism, nationalism, racism, class-ism, “socialism/facism”, religion, etc, so they can see that what really controls people in this world are ideas — good ideas (high congruence to empircal reality) and bad ideas (low or no congruence to empircal reality).
The elites are simply those who propogate bad ideas COMBINED WITH those people who have been infected by those bad ideas and act in accordance with them believeing their ideas to be good. Both types of people are curable with exposure to good ideas — but then there’s those vested interests: tribal identity and money. Social status, in a nutshell.
Whenever you see someone make an appeal to ‘us vs them’, you know you’re dealing with someone who’s infected by bad ideas and is desperate gather others around them to shield them from the good. Change is hard. Have sympathy. But stand firm their lashing out at others to hide the humiliation of the bad ideas they themselves hold.
Typo:
But stand firm against their lashing out at others to hide the humiliation of the bad ideas they themselves hold.
@ In the end, we are all damned
It was more than that mate
“NON – COMPLIANCE” AND BURN “FORGHIEN GOODS”
India could not produce a safety pin by itself when the britishers were here
Looky where we are no one of 8 or 9 countrys who can launch a satalite
this crap can very easily be reveresed with the Courts and throwin some peeps behind bars
NON COMPLIANCE
JFK killers are still at large and alive
@ Bonn
no…politics is show biz for ugly peeps
NWO is show biz for farm animals
In the UK the way the authorities would deal with Alex Jones would be to have him sectioned under The Mental Health Act 1983 and make sure he was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenic.
paranoid schizophrenia – that is.
the screw up is that the US courts have been Hijacked for the last centuary if not 4 decades ie 1960′s
US Govt. ” Our National security will be compramised”
They keep hiding behind this lame ass arguement
Also Guys like Tarpley are givin solutions as well
China is makin 40 nuke reacters USA should start on 80 nuke reacters
China is makin 30,000 miles of high speed rail
USA should make 60,000 miles of high speed rail
How long will it take to relocate factories back in USA ??? 5 years tas all
PS I used arbitary figures
I dont like Alex Jones. He is making up new ideas all the time spreading fear and benfits from it. In terms of “power” and money. I can tell MAx doesnt really like him either, but its good for the show and helps spreading the word.
@Adam C
Lovely explanation.
“Whenever you see someone make an appeal to ‘us vs them’, you know you’re dealing with someone who’s infected by bad ideas and is desperate gather others around them to shield them from the good.”
Jones is blowing the whistle but he’s still stuck in the ‘Us’ against ‘Them’ dynamic. If we give him the benefit of the doubt and say that his motives are pure then, although he’s kinda on the right track in exposing lies. He’s still stuck on the level of fighting against a percieved enemy. It’s ironic that he rants about the falsity of bogus wars when he’s actually waging one himself. He’s stuck on the level of the problem.
He’s stuck in the ‘US’ against ‘Them’ rut.
Instead of the USA v Iraq bogus war he’s engaged in the AJ vs the NWO bogus war. Different players, same old problem.
@ Adam C
what you state is true and well stated. however, i do think for present problems as a tactical position an “us vs them” is required.
the whole reason that elites (as i refer to all those who keep pushing us into wars against our own interests.. etc) have been able to propigate bad ideas is due to control they have, via fiat: we abdicate our authority because we are so fragmented. it would seem for elites, it is good to have us fragmented. the past big government for example is “killing” us and we cannot decide a solution because we have no united front to redress our claims.
“By psychopolitics create chaos. By our technologies you can even bring about insanity itself when people seem too resistive.”
YouTube — Warren Pollock: Invasion of the Apparatchik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD1CSmjiNiM
‘These people lock the system in place while at the same time destabilizing it by imposing financial burden on the productive. Apparatchiks are also in place in “finance” much of which would be in bankruptcy reorganization were it not for government payouts. Most of these workers are clueless hulks of America’s communist Fascist policy. We have a huge burden being placed on the few real sectors of the economy with local law enforcement, capital investment, and education, being gutted by the weight of a system stealing our freedom with a police state. We need to encourage our bright people to be constructive parts of society not toe sucking lackeys of those who have entrenched themselves in an insane psychopathic system of mealy mouthed boot lickers. Beria had it right that law and financial based capitalism would defeat itself in a psychotic-insane-prison-death-knell. We now have a leaderless nation with a growing secret police. The media has dominion over our minds and bodies.’
I wonder when both the people living in the “UK” and “US” admit they are living in the grip of communism: http://freedomainradio.com/Blogs/tabid/63/Article/21/the-20th-century-fight-against-communism.aspx
@ Bonn
relocating factories: perhaps. but there are possible problems with how technological innovation leapfrogs. it may not be linear to place/replace and compete. my gut tells me (as an abstraction) there could be significant problems…the longer we wait.
a corollary would be something like cancer. if you can get it early…however, if you wait, the longer you wait, the solutions become exponential to implement.
Are any of you NWO?
that one was quietly dismissed…and i am starting to wonder…
@ In the end, we are all damned
The money is there its been stolen NYSE records everythang
Banks back up everthang I reckon 8 months of super duper High speed Courts and involvement of Specialist like Max Keiser Marc Faber etc
its just around 1000 peeps you hafta go after we know who they are
Just like our lives are recorded so are thiers
Hic
If anyone one was in the NWO here
They might come here to get ideas though
that I am sure
And we know whos in the NWO
All billionares & peeps above 100 mill networth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a8Hk1-BpXO8
Alex Jones is a showman out of necessity.
I am an Info warrior and it only costs $56 a year,
Or 3oz of silver, such a barging.
TV shows daily and all Alex Jones movies in high def.
If you have inside info who ya gonna call…Katie Couric or Alex Jones?
@Philippo
>> Jones is blowing the whistle but he’s still stuck in the ‘Us’ against ‘Them’ dynamic.
He is simply a stepping stone to beyond. You are beyond, I am beyond, others are beyond. More WILL be beyond thanks to the stone that helps people step up and over.
A stepping stone is necessarily stuck in place, else what would there be to step upon??
Why the hate?
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Haters_gonna_hate
And, yes, AJ is full of bad ideas: religion, “good government”, the constitution/social contract that no-one living seems to have signed.
He’s useful precisely because he shares the very same bad ideas as those who haven’t ‘woken up’ yet. Hopefully, when such people realise their bad ideas can’t work, they will have the self-confidence to leave bad ideas behind and find the good ideas that do work. The transition will be messy. No-one would deny that. Well, maybe some would. (A-hem!)
The NWO would do some of the following:
1. Divide and conquer. Identify common enemies that can be the focus of popular rage. Such ‘moral’ indignation would provide people with all the excuses people need to not examine the false premises they hold and to not have to face to pain of genuine change. A spiralling guilt and humilation will set in from the suppressed awareness of the lies these people are avoiding facing up to, making each divide and conquer promotion that much more likely to be positively embraced.
2. Not necessary. Step (1) does all the work. Irrational emotionality rules the herd, always.
It does make me chuckle,..how some folk are stuck in”their” ways (inveterate).
The “New” world order, is simply another system (experiment), created by the very same folk who are created the “Old” world order.
To be unable to adapt to ones surroundings is akin to pushing water up a hill!
@In the end, we are all damned
All people have to do is withdraw their support for the violence of government and get back to living THEIR own lives, working on THEIR relationships, and building resourcefulness in THEIR communities.
No heroics necessary. No showbiz. No big CAMPAIGN.
Just people, peace and love — and a natural abhorrence to violence.
Granted, most people need to be made aware of the violence they live in because many are still numb towards it and some even benefit from having it continue. Violence is a bad idea.
An ‘us vs them’ distinction is dangerous if YOU can’t define the terms. My previous comment regarding NWO tactics should make that clear enough.
@Dedo
>> The “New” world order, is simply another system (experiment), created by the very same folk who are created the “Old” world order.
This is true, but for modern, government-educated Americans, the NWO/(OWO) is still something very new.
The American small government/anti-imperialist experiment has utterly failed. If there are still any real American’s (innovative, independently-minded, brave, etc) around, we could see an no-government enlightenment very soon.
I’m being optimistic — for the youth, at least. They have the internet, thus they will learn faster, perhaps.
@America
No, those people calling themselves “the federal government” are not going to let States secede easily. Why would they? These people were corrupt enough to want government power in the first place. Are they less corrupt now?
“We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness”
Government or else… government! When violence doesn’t make us happy… let’s try violence again! Not being an American, I have no obligation to hold the founding fathers high in intellectual esteem. Sorry. It’s 2010. Times move on and people neccessarily learn from history — the future history the founding fathers didn’t have. They failed. It’s 2010. Let’s get back to pursuing happiness.
The Dell Tale Starts to Unravel and it’s a Bombshell
… The SEC’s complaint, filed in federal district court in Washington, D.C., alleges that Dell Inc., Michael Dell, Rollins, and Schneider misrepresented the basis for the company’s ability to consistently meet or exceed consensus analyst EPS estimates from fiscal year 2002 through fiscal year 2006. Without the Intel payments, Dell would have missed the EPS consensus in every quarter during this period. The SEC’s complaint further alleges that Dell’s most senior former accounting personnel including Schneider, Dunning, and Jackson engaged in improper accounting by maintaining a series of “cookie jar” reserves that it used to cover shortfalls in operating results from FY 2002 to FY 2005. Dell’s fraudulent accounting made it appear that it was consistently meeting Wall Street earnings targets and reducing its operating expenses through the company’s management and operations.
According to the SEC’s complaint, Intel made exclusivity payments to Dell in order for Dell to not use CPUs manufactured by its rival — Advance Micro Devices, Inc. (AMD). These exclusivity payments grew from 10 percent of Dell’s operating income in FY 2003 to 38 percent in FY 2006, and peaked at 76 percent in the first quarter of FY 2007. The SEC alleges that Dell Inc., Michael Dell, Rollins, and Schneider failed to disclose the basis for the company’s sharp drop in its operating results in its second quarter of FY 2007 as Intel cut its payments after Dell announced its intention to begin using AMD CPUs. In dollar terms, the reduction in Intel exclusivity payments was equivalent to 75 percent of the decline in Dell’s operating income. …
http://www.patentlyapple.com/patently-apple/2010/07/the-dell-tale-starts-to-unravel-and-its-a-bombshell.html
I’m pretty much an expert on the Intel versus AMD saga …. and have been following this for over 10 years.
It obviously has taken 10 years for the “discovery” …probably because someone “left the Club” !!!
This has cost AMD shareholders Billions in aggregate.
Due to Intel being a so-called “Bell-Weather”, they get preferred treatment for the Ponzi WS & FED scheme.
An Omen ?
Scary storm clouds over Manhattan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17DCW8pvh8o
OMG … Webster Tarpley !
Obama is Preparing to Bomb Iran
Webster G. Tarpley
TARPLEY.net
July 21, 2010
http://tarpley.net/2010/07/22/obama-preparing-to-bomb-iran/
Jones, as usual, runs wild with 1/2 truth, 1/2 stretched yarn. He seems to suffer from some version of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.
@Roland Ansgar …. 1/2 truth, 1/2 stretched yarn.
Yes, except the ” 1/2 stretched yarn ” … usually becomes the truth in a few years !
@Philippo
I agree, AJ does promote and live from scare mongery, the graphics and visuals are on a par with Fox news, as is the audio. He may make often make valid points but he’s ultimately a showman and needs to maintain a high level of anxiety to keep the viewers coming. On top of that he’s rather from the libertarian school of thought which is basically against government full stop, hence the link to the tea party movement which seems to me to be just a bunch of right wing angry irish americans shouting and not really understanding about what.
I hope Max doesnt go down the hyperbole road as i think his shows are great (and Stacy of course).
PS@Roland Ansgar …. He seems to suffer from some version of Obsessive Compulsive Disorder.
Who doesn’t ?
Better than a … Obsessive Consumption Disorder !
Thanks for the Episode, lot of information to consider.
One problem I have with people doing the “conspiracy talk” is that, like with Alex Jones, so much information and big words is thrown out at the same time, making it all just a big mess. Jumping from huge topics to other huge topics in matter of seconds only makes the viewer confused.
GREAT SHOW SUPER SHOW
ITS GOOD YOU GUYS FOCCUSED ON THIS ISSUE
HIC
I should add; The important point from this program to me is that it is corporations that is doing most of the spying and surveillance of us people.
@ Adam C
“The American small government/anti-imperialist experiment has utterly failed.”
How do you support this claim? What defines the “experiment” and how has the evidence amassed to define failure? To add, how do you define “utterly?” I don’t want to be rigid about your statement…but I have no idea of your perspective; that is, how you have concluded this. Perhaps you could direct me to where I can learn about this conclusion.
Conversely, you promote “individualistic” themes, which on the face of it would suggest “small government.” There is no smaller government than self-governance.
@ Adam C
re your comment:
All people have to do is withdraw their support for the violence of government and get back to living THEIR own lives, working on THEIR relationships, and building resourcefulness in THEIR communities.
No heroics necessary. No showbiz. No big CAMPAIGN.
Just people, peace and love — and a natural abhorrence to violence.
Yeah……that worked REALLY GREAT for the shop owner Jews in Nazi Germany !!!!!!
MirrorMirror, compare Dell’s Trademark terror that started in 2000 when they stole my global E-logo, registered in Europe, China and the US and ended in the European E-battle of ideas, now 10 years old!
http://Dell.Tychon.eu
one world, one govt, one passport….NWO 4 life baby!
““You’ve got a real issue of trusting anybody’s word,” said Mr. Davis, who spent seven hours on Thursday in heated meetings with members of the response command. ”
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/24/us/24spill.html?hp
I like the way MSM is wave’n its hand sayin “See tis See tis ”
and we are like “Nope JFK, 9/11 banker bailouts BP disaster weapons of mass distruction afghanistan opium”
ten again MSM “see tis see tis ;Err Emmm I had a sex change”
and we are like “Nope JFK, 9/11 banker bailouts BP disaster weapons of mass distruction afghanistan opium”
ten again MSM “see tis see tis Err Emmm I have both Sex’s in me ”
and we are like “WOW but still Nope JFK, 9/11 banker bailouts BP disaster weapons of mass distruction afghanistan opium yer a freakin lunatic MSM”
lolololololololololol
ROFL
Hic
The Coast Guard is becoming the environmental-stasi arm of the Feds. The Fed agency is operating for private banking interests, not the environment. People are going to ask why.
Can they forcibly evacuate people based on unfounded rumour-driven news stories?
@ In the end, we are all damned
>> Conversely, you promote “individualistic” themes, which on the face of it would suggest “small government.” There is no smaller government than self-governance.
This is interesting. Government equals violence. So self-governance would equal self-violence. This presupposes that one has to forcibly prevent oneself from doing something they would otherwise want to do — to commit some kind moral lapse. But moral people don’t have to force themselves to be moral. If there’s no force, there’s no government.
‘Self-governance’, or any other from of ‘governance’ is not an idea I endorse. I prefer living morally and ethically in peace because that’s what works and so that’s what can be relied upon.
I accept anarchism/voluntaryism. I’m for no “government” at all.
>> What defines the “experiment” and how has the evidence amassed to define failure? To add, how do you define “utterly?” I don’t want to be rigid about your statement…but I have no idea of your perspective; that is, how you have concluded this. Perhaps you could direct me to where I can learn about this conclusion.
I’ll just point to one set of facts and argue that the experiment of small governance in America included the intended outcome that “these united States” would not get involved in empire building abroad.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_military_bases
We could go through each aspect of the ‘social contact’, the constitution, the bill of rights, etc and identify where the stated intention has been violated (the income tax would be the big one). These violations would all add up to a conclusion of sorts, that the outcomes that were to be prevented by this unique form of republican government came to pass anyway. Hence failure, the theory didn’t accurately predict the empirical reality that the growth of government cannot be constrained by government. (A crazy hypothesis in the first place.)
Also, the more far useful evidence, that those people who DON’T call themselves “the government” are currently not very happy at all judged by media reports and commentary. And if they are not happy, ‘the pursuit of happiness’ aim has not been met — or at, least, not been sustained assuming it ever was met. Happiness is a somewhat fuzzy criterion to be sure, but that was the stated aim of the experiment and it didn’t express exactly how any unhappiness should be acknowledged has having been expressed. So, ask an American, are you happy? That’s the true test.
How would you argue the American experiment has been successful given its stated aims?
Is America not an empire like the British empire?
Does America not suffer from European-style BIG government?
These would be the obvious questions to ask, since these were the very things the experiment in republican government were intended to avoid.
I call it as experiment because it was. The founding fathers could only guess how events would turn out. I have to assume honorable intentions, and so I also assume that if the founding fathers could see the results of their experiment, they would acknowledge that it had failed in part or completely/”utterly”. I assume they were rational and honest men and wanted not the experiment to succeed but the intended OUTCOMES of the experiment to be achieved. But it hasn’t and didn’t. So onto the next experiment. If you truly value the intended outcomes, why not?
@Rick McCartie
Thankfully many Jews left Germany while they still could. Once you understand violence in ALL its forms you can avoid it.
BTW the level of debate on this site is higher than you might suppose.
RE: AJ
If AJ is to be accused of reckless fear mongering (I happen to think it’s purposeful), what are the best alternative forums for productive, future-focused debate?
(I know of one but I don’t want to promote it again.)
I like AJ’s message (and his documentaries) but maybe my delicate European sensibilities are offended sometimes by his bombastic style. But then i suppose they do it down in Texas.
Adolf Hitler won. Adolf is USA sweetheart’s. Check your real history books. CIA and the Pentagon are filled with Hitler worshippers. Corporate USA also.
@Paddy
First attract attention. After that explain.
@ Adam C
Very nicely written. I could leave it at that…thinking that I can take your conclusion and understand well where you are coming from and I would have no need for disagreement as I am in agreement with your concluding premise: indeed, let us find the outcomes we desire.
For the purposes of an intellectual exercise (I guess), I would like to augment points to slant this another direction — only as it adds to clarity to look at it from different views:
1. there must be division;
2. because there must be division, there must be violence;
3. because there must be violence, there must be government;
4. eg, anarchism/vol. would be great if people would leave “you” alone but they won’t hence, violence (so, violence can then be thought to be “violence” to violence);
5. i agree no government would be preferable; but again, there must be division: some seek to rule, while others seek to be ruled (some love their chains…bc it can never be a world of people that are unfamiliar to chains (a 1st-predicate), there will always be some people that desire “chains”;
6. i agree that govt has metastasized;
7. i would argue the “principles” were not flawed but rather the men were flawed…absent an equal force of “violence” (an expression of resistance), these men were able to make a “big govt” in their image;
8. the above absence of “violence,” hence a lack of accountability resulted in an unstable system; either the system produced itself by machinations of self-interested men (a form of violence) or again people, seeking to be ruled, allowed it to be foisted onto themselves
I agree, given your disposition, no government would be preferable. But it is the other guy you have to watch out for. And to be honest, we might find ourselves to have more in common than not, when assessing a propensity of violence within us. Ie, we all have our buttons, I believe.
There must be conflict. And the extent of that conflict is variable so the reaction will be variable. Unfortunately, the reaction will and must (given the conflict) escalate to violence.
(Methinks the lengths of these are going to po and attract “violence” from the proprietors of this space as…it is not philosophy-english-economics class to which we can write long expositions)
“He is simply a stepping stone to beyond”
Could you enlighten the unitiated as to what you mean by the term ‘beyond’ in the above context, AdamC?
Are you referring to the parting of the veil?
@Snoot. can they? yes and they fucking will.
@ Bonn
you have me ..loloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooool
@In the end, we are all damned
“It is no measure of health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society.” — Jiddu Krishnamurti
You are right that the broader problem, the one that will always exist in human society, is conflict and conflict resolution. It is the sick society that uses violence to ‘solve’ conflict. This presumption of necessary violence is another false moral foundation of the idea of “government”.
In science as in the free-market, conflict simply is opportunity for greater knowledge. Conflict is in some way the measure of new and challenging ideas.
Freedomain Radio — Practical Anarchy (PDF)
http://www.freedomainradio.com/FreeBooks/PracticalAnarchy.aspx
>> …is the other guy you have to watch out for.
There are two guys I have to watch out for: the potentially violent guy ahead of me and the violent guy inside my head who wants to presume the violent intent of others. I’m equally weary of both, but I know which of the two is the real threat to my personal freedom.
The evolution towards true morality, towards the widespread commitment to the non-aggression principal, towards anarchism/voluntaryism is a loooooooong process – years, decades, longer maybe. But who cares. Patience and most of all kindness to the victims of abuse… Assume non-violence but point it out when it occurs or is advocated… Personal freedom now not later.
Listening to Webster Tarpley
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KA30Ki6KDoQ&feature=related
@ Adam C
Thanks for the link. However, as it is free, I am not sure how good it can be!
(in reference to the preface on the site)
22 Statistics That Prove The Middle Class Is Being Systematically Wiped Out Of Existence In America
http://www.businessinsider.com/22-statistics-that-prove-the-middle-class-is-being-systematically-wiped-out-of-existence-in-america-2010-7#83-percent-of-all-us-stocks-are-in-the-hands-of-1-percent-of-the-people-1
Just in case it has not yet been posted.
…83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people….
PS@…83 percent of all U.S. stocks are in the hands of 1 percent of the people….
Of course it’s not wonder !
All those share & stock option awards … for 0$ !!
Remember Job 100 mio$ Option back dating …. plus his slap on the wrist : ” Don’t do it again ” !
I wish the Internet could express PUKE !
PS:
Who is that 1% ?
The Corporate Club of course !
Don’t be fooled ….
Of course , TOP MANAGEMENT will always tell you …we only award ca. 3% per year…
.. but add up all those 3% per year for 25 years cumulatively … and they now own the Company !
@frances snoot
By ‘beyond’ I’m suggesting that people have acknowledged the problems/issues AJ points out and are working towards solutions or at the very least gaining additional perspectives.
I’m not suggesting ‘beyond’ is a single perspective other than perhaps the pursuit of greater knowledge. I was being purposely vague.
AJ is a FEAR bullhorn. He wakes people up if only by virtue of his loudness! But as useful as AJ is in alerting people, I can’t imagine people remain fear-junkies for long. Maybe they do. I wouldn’t want to presume so. And I hope not. Constant fear is paralysing.
http://encyclopediadramatica.com/Alex_Jones
@In the end, we are all damned
What price freedom?
@ MirrorMirror
I almost included that fact as an artifact to a line of thinking I was developing when responding in earlier comments today. It is telling how it bifurcates into 50% own 0% and then the other 50% bifurcates into the top 1% owning 50%.
http://www.businessinsider.com/22-statistics-that-prove-the-middle-class-is-being-systematically-wiped-out-of-existence-in-america-2010-7/as-of-2007-the-bottom-80-percent-of-american-households-held-about-7-of-the-liquid-financial-assets-11
Before the graphs and in the article was this line,
“Well, the globalism and “free trade” that our politicians and business leaders insisted would be so good for us have had some rather nasty side effects. It turns out that they didn’t tell us that the “global economy” would mean that middle class American workers would eventually have to directly compete for jobs with people on the other side of the world where there is no minimum wage and very few regulations.”
A link was posted to – James Goldsmith interview in 1994. I tried to repost it again and again. That was one awesome and awing interview.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5064665078176641728#
@In the end, we are all damned
Yes, I’ve seen the interview already.
Thanks … Goldsmith .. “The Trap” .
I bought the book ( for 1 ct. on Amazon ) and found it excellent !
@@In the end, we are all damned …. Huff Post
From your link :
How HuffingtonPost Will Take Over The New York Times
…With over 12 million monthly unique visitors, HuffingtonPost is on track to surpass the audience of The New York Times online.
…
http://www.businessinsider.com/huffington-post-beginning-2010-7
I have to go now:
The NWO is after me;
I have to go compete with the Chinese/Indian labor that is taking my job;
my state is bankrupt;
and someone is at my door with a self-written search warrant to torture me on my enemy-combatantness.
all just a contrived show with the controllers on the take.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j4ymCST-QCc&feature=related
@MirrorMirror
Yes. I need to get my hands on that book!
Fitts/Noory discuss finreg … http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=up1FnESmWbk&feature=player_embedded
I’ve made up my mind .. the Aliens are MICE ….
They are expirementing with us !
( HHGTTGalaxy )
@Happy Dick … CAFitts is great … should join ranks with William Black.
@Mirror
Fitts is shrewd and likeable.
Google buys Recorded Future… to see the future!
http://www.wirefresh.com/google-buys-recorded-future-to-see-the-future/
Saw this on urbansurvival.com Urbansurvial.com is run by George Ure and he collaborates with Cliff High of halfpasthuman.com to do this. THey have been doing this for 10 years with a high success rate and looks like Google is horning in on the action-with the intent of providing disinfo.
If Google censors the bots of halfpasthuman.com by controlling site access, then Google and Recorded Future can tell the sheeple whatever, with no real basis.
Homeland Security Hires STASI Chief Markus Wolf (and former head of the KGB General Yevgeni Primakov )
Who is Markus Wolf? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Markus_Wolf
http://topics.nytimes.com/topics/reference/timestopics/people/w/markus_wolf/index.html
Homeland Security Hires STASI Chief Markus Wolf: http://engforum.pravda.ru/showthread.php?108006-Homeland-Security-Hires-STASI-Chief-Markus-Wolf
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2004/061204wolfhired.htm
Markus Wolf’s manchurian candidate son http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQAlmufCyEw
KGB General Yevgeni Primakov http://dissidentvoice.org/Jan05/Whitney0121.htm
InfraGuard: An Unhealthy Government Alliance
by Gary D. Barnett
http://www.fff.org/comment/com0802g.pdf
@In the end, we are all damned @MirrorMirror @Ya’ll
You can aslo download Websters weekly Talk “World Crisis Radio” MP3 Here: http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/
Friday, July 23, 2010
China Calls Our Bluff: “The US is Insolvent and Faces Bankruptcy as a Pure Debtor Nation but [U.S.] Rating Agencies Still Give it High Rankings”
America’s biggest creditor – China – has called our bluff.
…
… Last week, privately-owned Dagong published its own sovereign credit ranking in what it said was a first for a non-western credit rating agency.
The results were very different from those published by Moody’s, Standard & Poor’s and Fitch, with China ranking higher than the United States, Britain, Japan, France and most other major economies, reflecting Dagong’s belief that China is more politically and economically stable than all of these countries.
Mr Guan said his company’s methodology has been developed over the last five years and reflects a more objective assessment of a government’s fiscal position, ability to govern, economic power, foreign reserves, debt burden and ability to create future wealth.
“The US is insolvent and faces bankruptcy as a pure debtor nation but the rating agencies still give it high rankings ,” Mr Guan said. …
http://www.georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/07/china-calls-our-bluff-us-is-insolvent.html
@China Calls Our Bluff
Folks, I think this may be the paradigm shift !
It’s one thing for us Bloggers to say this, but now the first Chinese Rating Agency is backing us up.
What will the WS Banksters do ( or say ) now ?
Downgrade China of course … pointing to their Real Estate bubble I suppose.
Let’s see what happens next week .
the gulf storm has been called off.
Wassa bet tat BRIC countrys say WTF lets exchange Oil in Euros or yuan
USA over played its freakin hand
lololololol
ROFL
@ Mike hang on ta ya GOLD
lololololol
Hic
Man its like Poker
LMAO
Hic
USA & EU is gonna apply vasiline to tear Errr Emmmm
lolololololol
ROFL
Hic
To expand on “Google buys Recorded Future” and what Alex Jones just said on this show I like to take it a step further with the explanation of the Cliff High’s Web Bot Predictions.
According to Cliff High from http://www.halfpasthuman.com/ we’re all are a bit psychic and we unconsiously show that in the use of our language.
Cliff High has a computer constantly crawling the internet picking up on the use of certain keywords in the language.
He claims, if you believe it or not, that he is able to pick up on future events that way.
Decide for yourself if it’s bogus or has any value by listening to Webbot Clif High on Rense Radio 6/24/10 http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=176731.0
Just finished watching “The Obama Deception” ( again ).
At the end, they publish their website name as : http://www.americanfreedomcampaign.org
Seems the Link has been “downed” in the name of “homeland security” !
?
http://www.americanfreedomcampaign.org
@Adam C,
Your “stepping stone” analogy is well taken and quite insightful.
You don’t have to agree with everything somebody says to learn from them. Indeed, you don’t have to agree with ANYTHING someobdy says to learn from them. I’d argue that the only way we truly learn is through disagreements that force us to ask new questions that we feel compelled to answer ourselves.
I don’t know much about Alex Jones, and there’s a lot of what he says that strikes me as a bit over the top, but he certainly is thought-provoking. That being said, I’d no more accept anything he says at face value than I would the corporate script. Jones’ advice of diving into the history and facts yourself was sound.
USA is vunerable nows
The NWO idiots dont know Chinese mentality
Yey assumed
Assumption is ta mother of all f@#K ups
Fer gods sakes I have footage of Dinner Jacket laughin wit students about how USA prints moneys outta thin air TA WERD IS SPREADIN
Also Chinese students or audience laughed at tax evadin Turbo Timmy
Hic
Tees fuks don’t know what tey doin
Twerps
@Adam C (again),
“All people have to do is withdraw their support for the violence of government and get back to living THEIR own lives, working on THEIR relationships, and building resourcefulness in THEIR communities.”
That’s necessary but not sufficient because you have giant corporations and banks with hooks into every aspect of our lives. Certainly it is important that people take more responsibility for their lives and work towards disentangling themselves from destructive outside influences (like bank debt), but we’re ultimately going to have to attack the engine that powers these influences, which is monopoly, which perverts both capitalism and democracy.
When you actually understand how Wall Street and giant corporations work, it is pretty easy to see a variety of ways to accomplish this goal through new business models. The trick to succeeding is never going public. As soon as you’re a public company, you have to manage the business to meet Wall Street expectations, which are driven by the sociopathic neoliberal worldview.
The good news is that the tools of the master can be used to tear down his house.
CLIMATEGATE (short video)
http://www.parenting-healthy-children.com/Parenting.xml
More about americanfreedomcampaign.org
Not only is the website now blocked, but its being blocked by software from comodo. This is the url you get when you try to go to american freedom’s site: http://securedns.comodo.com/main?InterceptSource=0&ClientLocation=xx&ParticipantID=xd34nu3b7tg9r2jcd9fb8jjdzztv2dxl&FailureMode=1&SearchQuery=&FailedURI=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.americanfreedomcampaign.org%2F&AddInType=4&Version=2.1.8-1.67base&Referer=http%3A%2F%2Fmaxkeiser.com%2F2010%2F07%2F24%2Fote64-on-the-edge-with-alex-jones%2F&Implementation=0
Comodo makes a variety of security software including antivirus, firewall, online backup, ssl certificates, backup, disk encryption, “free” desktop security, etc..
I’m not so sure I would want to trust my security to them if they are used by DHS. Of course, that really hold true for all the supposed mainstream “security” software. See link below.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-10784_3-9746451-7.html
Alex Jonesians
This should be on Alex’s site
http://financialterrorists.wordpress.com
They admitted the bin laden tape was fake? Wow!
Didn’t see that coming or in the MSM.
so, is this a suicide mission to crash the system as we all scatter in order to cover their mess – like 911?
OR
is the plan to make us all slaves?
Why isn’t there more talk about secession?
http://jischinger.wordpress.com/2010/05/11/secession
I just received a packet of information today from Vermont.
A book by Thomas H. Naylor called, Secession: How Vermont and all other states can save themselves from the empire.
114 pages, but it looks jammed packed.
Lovely cover. Feral House Books
Also inside the envelop was a copy of the newspaper, Vermont Commons: Voice of Independence. Also jammed packed with information.
A Pamphlet: Second Vermont Republic.
Looks like their mission statement and a list of board members.
A card for political candidate running for Governor, Dennis Steele.
It says: Imagine a Free Vermont
Vermonters Deserves:
A Government that respects and protects their liberties.
A Transparent sound monetary system.
Sustainable local agriculture.
An honest financial system.
Peace
lots more information…
Three Letters:
Ten Vermont Secessionists Certified for 2010 Election.
Secession and the politics of radical nonviolent confrontation.
Vermont Public Radio: The voice of the American empire.
Looks like I’ll be busy this weekend….
CANADA THE POLICE STATE
Two pulled from plane over 9/11 video http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2010/07/23/14800901.html
New World Crises Radio from Webster Tarpley available – 24 July 2010 http://podcast.gcnlive.com/podcast/world_crisis/pcast.php
African Union says must replace Western partners with China http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE66N1RK20100724
@Adam C
The US Constiution and the Republic that it supported has served wonderfully until it was lost by corruption. What is to replace the Constitution? Airy language, woo woo dialoge about “being beyond”…..good grief.
that skinny fuckers right. dadoodoodaronronamy will include Bonn in chapter 99. yet to be written. when it is written. look out. bang.
When I looked for the story about the CIA Bin Laden video at the Washington Post, all I could find was a story saying the CIA attempted to make a fake video but did not distribute it. Further, the story about the fake video was not confirmed. From what I could discern, the Post did not state that the video Alex Jones discussed in Max’s interview was fake.
The more the US politics and economy turns more towards an oligarchy, I tend to believe that Israel, with an economy plan that was drawn by Stanley Fischer (World Bank 1988–90, IMF 1994–01, Citigroup 2002–05, Bank of Israel 2005–now) at the early 80′s which was called “the package deal” and ran now by the same Stanley Fischer as Governor of the Bank of Israel, was and is used as a pilot for the US economy.
@AdamC:
Thanks! The link is priceless!
http://www.asylum.com/2010/07/23/superman-action-comics-1-saves-family-from-foreclosure?q=d
Superman Comic Saves family from foreclosure.
Youri Carma,
Old news.Markus Wollf.
Is living a good pension
in Dresden off all places.
Markus Wolf died some years ago.
Stacey and Max,
What a trouble over nothing.(Google)
The interview with P Craig Roberts was
excellent, the questiones where right,
and therefore the answer
Go,and let them know!
Paolo 3
Died in Dresden I presume?
Maybe Markus showes up in NY.
But thank you for the information,
I sleep tonight without a colt 45.
It is a cold night.
Mien
He died a few years ago here in berlin so put your luger back in the drawer.
Jischinger,
Bush and fam. Bin Laden sleep together.
Yak!(sorry greenpeace)
Do you have any problems with that?
GOOGLE NO!
They nurse you and connected you.
If that is not working Call Allex Jones,
and you are in a terrible state.
Paolo 3,
Just guessing?
Dresden, but it was Berlin.
Berlin the city that is/was not a city,
just a dream, and die.
Better be ill in Dresden and see a city,
and die.
But Markus wanted it all after the WALL.
Alex Jones – another nut from Texas.
any attempt to rationalize whats happening in the market is futile….you and your assets will be assimilated!
Australian net censorship.
http://www.theage.com.au/technology/technology-news/no-minister-90-of-web-snoop-document-censored-to-stop–premature-unnecessary-debate-20100722-10mxo.html?autostart=1
Mien
gott im hmmel what are you talking about?
wow I can’t believe what is happening, I have watch Max for several years now, Gerald Celente, jim rogers, mish , Ron Paul etc, I have just watched the Obama deception and I am shaking my head in disbeleive, what is happening to the people of the USA, I am discusted with them, how can they allow this to happen, Bernake and the boys should all be tossed in jail, the stealing they are doing will cost many lives. It is pure greed and they are now after their own citizens. Max you speak the truth and I respect you for it, thank you for explaining what is happening to us all, if you didn’t speak out and tell it like it is, I would be lost, it is very difficult to figure out their next fraud. For the average Joe like myself, I know the system is rigged, and I know the banksters are stealing but I am not up to speed with the system to figure out exactly how they are doing it, but with you there for us it all makes sence, PLEASE BE CAREFUL , you are telling the whole world of their fraud and I can’t believe they have let you speak openly and freely as much as you have.
cheers gmc
Keep up the good work, there is a lot of people listening to you….and give then shit……but when will it end….
I have purchase as much gold and silver as I can, I just hope the rest of the population does the same soon, that is all that is needed to end this, but most still don’t understand the power we all have , all it would take is the average Joe goes out get delibvery of some phical gold and silver.
How much gold and silver would the average guy need to buy to bring the comes down. Maybe you should start a contest, Like a pool at work, winner gets a 100 oz gold bar, being the last guy to buy a physical gold once to make to comex default ???? I would buy more
cheers gmc
take care
this explains why google can get away with obviously and openly defrauding and stealing money from advertisers and publishers with their programs adwords and adsense in a broadd day light!
this explains why google can get away with obviously and openly defrauding and stealing money from advertisers and publishers with their programs adwords and adsense in a broad day light!
Very good, very worrying.
Alex Jones is such a PT Barnum.
@naomi
The constitution ‘worked’ because it was a tool of corruption??
Normally, I love Max, and the insight his (usually knowledgeable) guests provide. Alex Jones??? Well, I guess if he has you on his show you have to reciprocate, or at least pull something out of your butt if you’re caught in a last-minute bind.
On the other hand, I’ll give Max the credit – the same kind they give to new teachers working in troubled communities or indian reservations – for helping bring the throngs of Alex Jones followers up a few IQ points by exposing them to the actual thought and realization that Max can induce in some people.
So, great show!
Resolve to serve no more, and you are at once freed. I do not ask that you place hands upon the tyrant to topple him over, but simply that you support him no longer; then you will behold him, like a great Colossus whose pedestal has been pulled away, fall of his own weight and break in pieces.
-Étienne de La Boétie
i agree with his comment on 24. it totally helped sneak in the idea that torture is necessary to help stop terrorism. it becomes the new normal. then of course the bags over our heads becomes the new normal. sigh. i cant wait to see room 101 cropping up everywhere
Where is a link to the Washington Post article in which it is revealed that the Bin Laden tape was faked by the CIA?
it’s getting hard to tell paranoia from good sense these days.