Stacy Summary: A thread for links to information on carbon taxes being paid right now, today just by Americans.
Of the $1 trillion military budget, I see figures for the total amount allocated to securing oil as between $55 billion and $103.5 billion per year.
Cost of Strategic Petroleum Reserve annually: $5.7 billion
There is now the Pickens’ natural gas subsidy of $3.8 billion; also the $5 billion that Home Depot believes will help it, but at least this money is going toward improving efficiency
There is the $35 billion subsidy that Bernie Sanders tried to have removed last month, but that was defeated; here is Rex Tillerson arguing against cutting the subsidies:
Tillerson’s company paid zero taxes in the US in 2009 (they did taxes to overseas governments) and apparently collected a rebate
I haven’t added any of the costs of Afghanistan and Iraq; I think, however, we can safely put most of the cost of Iraq into the carbon tax list.
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@Chunderchump,…..Oh,.okay!,…: )
@dildo perhaps you should try another approach
something you don’t use in the playground once the summer holidays are over
Ops to continue
So 1 degree over 150 years is not a reason for concern. Over the last 10 years temperatures have been flat or a very slight fall on average.
The evidence that CO2 causes warming is very weak especially at higher (over 50 ppm) CO2 levels. So there is no need to panic (as some warmists do) when temperatures are high at one location in the world especially when it’s lower in others.
Our biggest danger is falling not a slight rise in temperatures. Over 10,000 years back temperatures were much lower (5 to 10 degrees). A return to this would be a disaster for the earth. If it happens it will be almost for entirely natural reasons though.
One final point. Even if CO2 is a small problem we will NOT stop it rising with ET schemes.
Stacy
You are getting yourself worked up over nothing at all.
Overall ove rth elast 150 years temperatures have risen by around 1 degree.
@Stacy,
I keep up with general science. Here are some things that could easily wipe out mankind:
1) asteroid or comet collision; maybe we can detect and prevent these.
2) supernova within 100 light years
3) gamma ray burster within 8000 light years and pointed at us.
4) Yellow Stone super volcano; it’s overdue.
5) a wandering black hole
Now there is either a loving Creator or there isn’t. If there isn’t we are doomed anyway. If there is do you really think He is concerned about burning fossil fuels that He laid down for our use?
@chunderchomp,… Here’s one for ya,.. What do you call five epileptics in a sleeping bag?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bGv2w3qFOHE&feature=related
: )
@Stacy,..So what if the climate is getting warmer,..isn’t that preferable to colder,.. You keep going round in circles with the same old crap!
The weather forecast for the rest of the week in Moscow:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/58
ANOTHER entire week in which every single day of the week is set to break the old record high of 36.8 degrees set on one single day in August, 1920. This is what the climate change models forecasted for 50 – 100 years from now:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/58
Monday – 37 degrees
Tuesday – 37
Wednesday – 38
Thursday – 37
Friday – 38
By the end of this week, I count that there will be at least 15 days in one single month that will have broken the previous single record high day in 1920
CO2 ENRICHMENT
Biologists and plant physiologists have long recognized the benefits of higher CO2 content in the air for plant growth. Horticulturists and greenhouse growers have used CO generators to enhance growth rates on plants for many years with good results.
With the advent of home greenhouses and indoor growing under artificial lights and the developments in hydroponics in recent years, the need for CO2 generation has drastically increased. Plants growing in a sealed greenhouse or indoor grow room will often deplete the available CO2 and stop growing. The following graph will show what depletion and enrichment does to plant growth:
CO2 Diagram
Below 200 PPM, plants do not have enough CO2 to carry on the photosynthesis process and essentially stop growing. Because 300 PPM is the atmospheric CO content, this amount is chosen as the 100% growth point. You can see from the chart that increased CO can double or more the growth rate on most normal plants. Above 2,000 PPM, CO2 starts to become toxic to plants and above 4,000 PPM it becomes toxic to people. from http://www.hydrofarm.com/articles/co2_enrichment.php
@Stacy
The chart would not copy so you’ll have to click on the link. The article seems to be well-balanced and informative.
@Stacy,…This was my point,below: (I think you know,.but are playing me at my own game : )
But in certain circumstances, CO2 may become concentrated at levels lethal to people and animals. Carbon dioxide gas is heavier than air and the gas can flow into in low-lying areas; breathing air with more than 30% CO2 can quickly induce unconsciousness and cause death.
http://volcanoes.usgs.gov/hazards/gas/index.php
@Dedo – Max has never said CO2 is going to kill us; the most extreme projection I have ever seen is that CO2 levels could rise to 1000 parts per million (ppm) this is still far below even 1% of the atmosphere being CO2; to comprise 1% of the atmosphere, CO2 levels would have to hit 10,000 ppm which causes drowsiness and diziness in humans, but not death which comes at 7% of the atmosphere (at the moment, CO2 is less than 0.04% of the atmosphere), so we have a long, long way to go before humans would die from CO2 itself and I have never seen any sort of prediction of CO2 concentrations ever hitting this based on human activity
Here is more info on CO2 for those who care to start investigating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon_dioxide
the warming effects of the greenhouse gas effect that is caused by CO2, however, could drive us to extinction; humans were nearly driven to extinction once before due to extreme climate change and its consequent mega drought:
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,352461,00.html
Some link the climate change to this event:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory
@chunderclown,..for your edification:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution_as_theory_and_fact
“A fact is a hypothesis that is so firmly supported by evidence that we assume it is true, and act as if it were true. —Douglas Futyuma[16″
And of course, anyone who reads history,..and opens their eyes, knows that facts are often changed as time progresses,..which is why, they are preferably called “theories”,…
The earth is flat,..man is causing climate change,…it’s impossible for man to fly,…blah blah
@dildo let’s get this straight, do you think evolution is ‘just a theory’?
BTW: @Stacy,…I might even start listening to your shows again,…you and mAx are definitely getting funnier,….LOL
@Stacy,……My assertion is that Co2 “is” a deadly gas ! (you plonker)
“Not”,.that it is going to kill us all,..LOL,….you certainly are dumber than I first thought,…haha : )
I am tellin yas tear is no Crises
tink practically if tear was Peak Oil
USA’s MIC would collapse tee next day
If tey have alternative Energy source tey would hafta release tat technology
immediately
How are You gonna get a fighter aircraft of ta Ground
If you are really really worried about oil vanishin
If I was in charge I would be in ultra panic mode
use yer 6th sense’s Stace & Max common sense
tee day tee MIC starts to invest in technologys which uses alternative fuel is ta day to start panicin
Hic
Peak Oil does not exist
Oil is used as a control mechanism to control Economies of countries
Since when have ya heard we gonna run outta oil
Since forever Right
Whats on yer mind nearly all ta time
Price of Oil right
Cause ya know everythang depends on ta price of Oil
Don’t ya tinks Govt’s would be worried if we ran outta Oil
yet tear is almost NIL investment in alternative technologys
when ya compare tee whole world
I would put it at 1%
Hic
and 0 % fer tings tat fly
hmmmmm errrrrrrr Trains hmmmm errrr ya you could hook ‘em up to electricity via a nuke plant
Wait I am in deep tote now I just contradicted meself a little bit
lolololololol
ROFL
Hic
I find it so funny tat y’all fight about a science ie Climate tat no one can proove either side of ta arguement
@ Stacy
what ya tellin us here in 3rd world countrys is tat we have no right to develope ya guys spent tee right amount developin fer humanity now “Carbon Credits” ya whole arguement holds no water IMO
lolololololol
ROFL
Hic
oh RJ at least give the most up to date links – temperatures in Moscow continued to soar and hit 40 celsius (104 fahrenheit) on Sunday; http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jbvBgeFquvzSYbKILyfGn3VMPZxQ
the previous high temperature in past 130 years was as you say 36.8 degrees; so let’s do the math, 40 minus 36.8 = 3.2 degrees;
so the new high is now 3.2 degrees celsius warmer than the previous high, this would be known as a trend up and one that if it were applied globally would be at the extreme end, the worst case scenario presented by the ‘warmists’ as you call the scientists whose peer-reviewed research and models have predicted global warming; as you may recall, the past decade’s warning has been ‘let’s try to keep the temperature increase to under 2 degrees celsius” . . . http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/environment/article5882341.ece
so you are, despite your tone, actually pointing out that Moscow has now gone more than 1.5 times past the point that the IPCC were warning we should seek to avoid for 100 years time from now
but these new record highs in Moscow are in just one area; and one area does not make a global trend, so let’s see what the global trend is; lo and behold it appears, despite what your weather may be locally, the global climate may actually have a different trend then what you are seeing locally for the first six months of 2010 are the warmest on record: http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100715_globalstats.html
within the warmest six months on record, you can see a wide range of local weather as highlighted in the above report of data: Warmer-than-average conditions dominated the globe, with the most prominent warmth in Peru, the central and eastern contiguous U.S., and eastern and western Asia. Cooler-than-average regions included Scandinavia, southern China and the northwestern contiguous United States.
According to Beijing Climate Center, Inner Mongolia, Heilongjiang and Jilin had their warmest June since national records began in 1951. Meanwhile, Guizhou experienced its coolest June on record.
Further on that US government climate data going back to 1880 – http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2010/jul/16/june-2010-warmest-recorded
The trend to a warmer world is now incontrovertible. According to NOAA, June was the 304th consecutive month with a combined global land and surface temperature above the 20th-century average. The last month with below-average temperatures was February 1985. Each of the 10 warmest average global temperatures recorded since 1880 have occurred in the last 15 years with the previous warmest first half of a year in 1998.
Many deniers have always used the fact that temperatures have decreased since 1998 as ‘proof’ that it is not warming, but now we have just hit a higher high; that puts us into an uptrend;
to understand this better, look at this gold chart: http://www.soyouthinkyoucanrant.com/charts/popup/au3650nyb.html
pretend you are in august 2008, find that place on the chart, you will be telling yourself, “hell gold is going down, the uptrend is over, it’s never going back up” . . . and yet, the price then rises by 50% from that seeming downtrend to hit new high after new high
@deepsoul @Dedo – deepsoul asserts – “@Stacy — well, you believe that CO2 is a deadly gas that’s going to kill us all right? That’s my point with cow flatulence–that we are framing the basic processes of life and production as evil and deadly.”
to which I responded and I repeat my response to @deepsoul – seriously, how do I engage with such a moronic statement; I notice that those who visit exxon funded ‘research’ sites constantly resort to the same sort of Steve Milloy style framing of arguments and it works well on Fox News, I don’t deny that, but really, how am I supposed to take you seriously?
No, I do not believe that and have never stated; it is, however, a very clever device by yourself to place such moronic sentiments as if they were uttered by me; I am sure it is intentional to confuse other people and I admit you have done a good job on that
I repeat I do not believe it is a deadly gas that is going to kill us all. It’s a bizarre argument to make unless we are all going to move into a mine shaft where yes, co2, methane or carbon monoxide will kill us all
@Dedo however, apparently believes that CO2 is a deadly gas that’s going to kill us all right, but again, I do not believe this moronic assertion
re: the periods of warm prior to humans; the earth was once several thousand degrees when it was a giant ball of molten lava, there were no humans or any animals or lifeform that caused that; the previous warm periods were caused by greenhouse gas effect though; there is more than one way to skin a cat; there are a multitude of manners to create a greenhouse gas effect, including, for example, active volcanic activity
And, by the way, I am not convinced by the IPCC report as I have never read it; have you? it is not research, but merely a report tying together some scientific research they consider important and that was published about 20 years after I had formed the kernel of my opinion; I have only read individual scientific research and reports; and yes, I have spent many, many hours reading and seeking information on those who are against man made global warming and almost all roads led to the same small elite group of people around the Exxon funded think tanks that were formed by the very same small elite group of guys who had previously been employed to create doubt in the media about the negative effects of smoking; for many decades they succeeded at convincing the population via their media campaigns that there was no scientific consensus as to the harms of cigarette smoking; the exact same guys set up the original anti global warming think tanks and about 80% of all information I could find online about the position of those against global warming led to the handful of these ‘thinktanks’ ; none of these ‘think tanks’ have actually financed any peer-reviewed scientific research and instead have merely launching propaganda campaigns whose stated purpose from their own leaked memos were to sow seeds of doubt
Just in case people are conncerned about the heat. Over the last 150 years the increase has been arounbd 1 degree.
http://wattsupwiththat.com/2010/08/01/kold-in-kazakhstan/#more-22866
To put the heat wave into perspective.
“An absolute temperature record of 37.2 degrees Celsius (98.9 degrees Fahrenheit) was registered in Moscow on Monday, a spokesman for the local meteorological bureau reported on Monday.
“The previous record of 36.8 degrees Celsius [98.2 Fahrenheit] was recorded in 1920,” the spokesman said.”
http://en.rian.ru/Environment/20100726/159955333.html
“Similar conditions have only occurred five times — in 1919, 1920, 1936, 1938 and 1972 — since Russia started recording temperatures 130 years ago, Valery Lukyanov, deputy head of Russia’s main weather forecast centre Roshydromet, told Reuters.”
http://wordoftruthradio.org/071110RussiaHeatWave.html
So before Warmists jump up and down about global warming being the cause they have to answer what caused the 1920 and 1936 heat waves for example? Meanwhile they ignore the bitter cold of South America with single digits in the hothouse Amazon.
@deepsoul,….If I could give you some constructive advice,..it’s the same as I’d give to Chunderclown,…… “Look before you Leap” !! : )
@deepsoul,…. Have a looky !
http://www.snopes.com/horrors/freakish/smother.asp
@deepsoul – carbon dioxide a deadly gas? seriously, how do I engage with such a moronic statement; I notice that those who visit exxon funded ‘research’ sites constantly resort to the same sort of Steve Milloy style framing of arguments and it works well on Fox News, I don’t deny that, but really, how am I supposed to take you seriously?
“ScienceDaily (Jan. 29, 2009) — Scientists at the University of Liverpool have found that heating from carbon dioxide will increase five-fold over the next millennium.”
more here: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2009/01/090128104533.htm
Evil Dick Cheney pic (for emphasis): http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQLeunvTHx5qPOaGvQrnuJaN7Xbmm9b5xPnrkYC-iAOclmXIAk&t=1&usg=__B7A1ziUAqm4cVpoNlNgQXi8aLVI=
@deepsoul
*applause*
@Stacy – no one is listening and no one is willing to give up their gas guzzler. Therefore the only way to fix the problem is to let it run it’s course. If the price of oil goes to $200/bbl – problem solved. That’s how America works. It needs to break before it can be fixed. Dick Cheney proved that.
latest MaxKeiser.com stats (just for kicks):
http://www.websitetrafficspy.com/maxkeiser.com
@Stacy — well, you believe that CO2 is a deadly gas that’s going to kill us all right? That’s my point with cow flatulence–that we are framing the basic processes of life and production as evil and deadly.
This is right out of the Elitists’ playbook (such as the Club of Rome)–the right wing uses manufactured terrorism to scare the population while the left wing uses manufactured environmental crises to do the same.
And you say: “whether the temperatures are rising due to a greenhouse gas effect or an orbital change or sun spots” wtf? Umm, isn’t that a HUGE difference whether climate is more driven by sunspots or greenhouse gases? If it’s the Sun, then regulating carbon (i.e., life) means nothing.
And: “warmer temperatures prior to humans saw sea levels many meters higher than they are today”. Yes, so these climate changes obviously had nothing to do with human activity.
And you are aware, yes, that 40 years ago these same kinds of scientists were scaring the public that we were all going to Freeze to death?
And those numbers on rising temps are much like the rigged markets Max exposes so well. If temps are taken at urban centers, airports, etc, then it is really a reflection of land-use and asphalt–not global temps.
I’m stunned that you are more convinced by the conclusions of the IPCC more than, say, the arguments made by films like “Global Warming or Global Governance?”
@Dedo thanks for your sneering adolescent comments, a superb display of your obvious maturity and intellect.
@Chunderclown,……Yeah,..whatever !
@Dedo you seemed to have missed the point.
You wrote “Darwin’s theory (not fact), is just the prelude to a eugenical paradigm/program, that is coming to the fore!”
I noticed your first retort was to call me a clown.
Quoting random ignorance from the willingly stupid does not count as evidence, yet.
According to recent polling 58% of American voters want US troops out Afghanistan by the middle of next year. We have a big disconnect between our so called leaders and the people they claim to represent.
“well my opinion is that we abolish entirely the enormous carbon acquisition taxes we currently pay, removing this subsidy and distortion to the market will create a genuine price for oil but also stop the current misallocation of capital”
If subsidies were to be taken away from the industry how would it be able to sustain itself in the global market without having the State to raise high toll walls?
USA manage to out compete Mexico in farming because of subsidies in the corn industry, forcing many farms in Mexico to close. If the situation in US reversed and subsidies were dropped many farms would go bust but also the competition from abroad would further threaten the farming industry as a whole when it becomes cheaper to get corn abroad.
So my question is; is it better to have high toll walls to protect its own industry and products (protectionism) or to keep subsidise the industry in order for them to be competitive in the global market?
Here’s a different perspective for Chunderclown! : )
http://www.bringyou.to/apologetics/p67.htm
BTW:
Someone needs to relay to that “American living in Europe” that her/his current stance in linear space/time does not make her/him ‘better’ than her/his fellow tagged victims of the narrative being used to obfuscate criminal action emanating from our monetary authorities.
Indeed, she/he looks like there is pie all over her/his face.
US tax system will be standardized to match that of Europe. Perhaps this to facilitate a fixed-exchange rate as the elite look to fix the multilateral exchange to anchor currencies in the transition phase.
It is my opinion that the constituents of the ultimate banker basket will be indexed humans.
If anyone is wondering about the mercy of the men in charge, ask yourselves why they put Clinton in charge of Haiti and those donations to the victims.
Maybe Clinton is saving the donations to benefit the ‘progeny of the victims’ as Stiglitz maintained for the Soros front in the Caspian oil grab?
@ Dedo
Oh I am undecided on what causes Gravity as well
lololololol
ROFL
Hic
And our whole world is filled wit vibrations tas makes more sense
Also should’nt tee night sky errr emmm stars be like ta Matrix Screen saver
just Errr Emmm Food fer tote
I bet if I was on Shoemaker Levey I would have a Matrix Screen saver night sky of Stars
Hic
@Chundernuts,….”How about the ‘theory’ of gravity, I guess that one isn’t a fact either?”,……..LOL
You obviously don’t know the meaning of theory, reference to your comment above, you clown!
Personally I tink tee Earth is stationary and moves up and down like a yo-yo
I dunno the speeds involved around ta sun are far too fast for us to have an atmosphere
The orbital speed of the Earth averages about 30 km/s (108,000 km/h),
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Earth
http://www.enchantedlearning.com/subjects/astronomy/asteroids/
Asteroids are rocky or metallic objects, most of which orbit the Sun in the asteroid belt between Mars and Jupiter. A few asteroids approach the Sun more closely. None of the asteroids have atmospheres
Shoemaker levy was travellin @ 60 m/s
Well I am still undecided weather the Earth revolves aroud ta Sun
@ tat speed we should’nt have an Atmosphere wich is only 150 miles up
after tat its Space
lololololol
ROFL
Hic
It really is a lot of sound and noise.
Not only does the money have a debt attached to it your also expected to pay taxes on everything. Its a monitory system based on predation. It ..IS.. a carbon tax and has existed in various forms for many millenia. In the USA at least since 1913. Without proper monitary reforms based around removing the debts your never going to get any progressive change enviromental or otherwise.
But lets forget about that. Lets obsess on the weather. Lets have a 2 min hate for mother nature.
Unless of course you deem the lag effect of debt necessary? Do you guys think humanity with a sound debtless monetary base would destroy the planet quicker?
Every single proposed ‘change-we-can-believe-in’ have been forwarded or passed into law in response to the change in the exchange rate regime of the international monetary system. Every single one.
We are moving to multilateral governance of regional trading blocs to convenience those banking agents and elites with privy/access to the sdr unit/index.
The governance of the system is to be multilateral. Every single change being made globally is to further enhance this system.
And the yeast (the press) being used to raise the latest batch of dough bubbles away with useless words that only enhance the bread of the criminals.
The elite criminals sit at ease to the table with the bread and the wine belonging to our progeny. They are stealing, maintaining their position through narrative.
Our visual venue consists of clowns who maintain the deceptions because their masters own the airtime/linespace.
The press isn’t held accountable. The press attacks its constituency who complains: labeling the astute as the criminals.
I’m speaking here of the alternate press. What a joke.
For a concise summary of the state of The War on Error..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFaBV5p-JYs
“BTW, the Sun does orbit the Earth from an Earth centered reference frame. I proved this to myself via a solar system simulator.”
Oh jebus . . . lol, yeah and if I close my eyes you cease exist, and if I open my eyes you exists again, all from my centred reference frame. It must be true because I proved this to myself by closing my eyes without managing to see you!
Ergo: little mother is a stone! (Montanus)
OK more crazy shit fo ya, you know whales don’t talk much under water any more. Too much noise, too many boats. They actually talk over air now much more. They hate it. Back to sleep now, sorry, very sad.
@Wahrheit … so much Wahrheit
@Stacy I am not talking about cows farting but temperatures rising, today
I think most people are upset that people like Al Gore, Obama and Maury Strong are trying to use climate change for personal profit.
When people are informed, they’re also upset it’s being used to build up a world government.
They also look at the incredibly high price tags of hybrid cars and the new electric cars and they see that car companies exploiting the situation as well.
I won’t mention “names”. Names are merely tags utilized for convenience. It seems Americans are now homogenized for processing. One could see this as a form of scapegoating, but that would be ‘off-topic’.
Let’s talk ‘money’. It is implied that it is a good thing to pursue carbon exchange because everyone has a right to ‘make money’, even the unmentionable G—. But is carbon exchange an interchangeable term for money?
The idea of carbon exchange is antithetical to the American ideal of rights and privileges and the pursuit of happiness. Hence the tags on Americans who ‘only forward what they were taught’.
The question remains, though, as to whether there is an unalienable right to liberty, life, and the pursuit of happiness. It would seem that those who ‘run-this-blog’ feel that the end justifies the means and that unalienable rights are old-fashioned and should be chucked to make way for science.
But the question remains: CAN man limit the unalienable rights of other men? Through tyranny, through deception, through force–perhaps limits may be placed, but ‘liberty is always the last to leave.’
I maintain that the movement to tax men for their right to breathe (here I’m not being facetious, it’s a carbon tax/exchange) is an affront to the liberty that is not a deigned privilege but an inherent right. It will maintain class distinction. It is being forwarded by those who retained propriety over men’s action through money. These agents fear to lose control. During the ‘transition time’ (while paper currency is demonetized along with commodities) the control is to be maintained through carbon regulation which will serve to make eunuchs of men and industry.
The governing agency of the UN is being utilized to maintain control and to consolidate control. The goals have nothing to do with serving to raise up the poor. The poor stand to lose everything under the millenium goals and the carbon-exchange-wrought world of the uber-lords.
Words are a sorry whitewash for dastardly deeds.
The whores in Congress will never stop servicing their corporate johns.
… (though nearly half of Americans still believe it is only 6050 years old); Stacy
Remember His covenant forever,The word which He commanded to a thousand generations, … 1 Chronicles 16:15
He has remembered His covenant forever,The word which He commanded to a thousand generations, … Psalm 105:8
Let’s say a generation is a minimum of 15 years. Then that means the Torah is saying the Earth must be a minimum of 15,000 years so 6050 is right out as the British might say. There are other indications of an ancient Earth in the Bible but I don’t remember where they are at the moment. For a sensible defense of the Bible with regard to science I recommend http://www.reasons.org.
BTW, the Sun does orbit the Earth from an Earth centered reference frame. I proved this to myself via a solar system simulator.
Christians, read the Old Testament!
Guess who’ll be obliged to take nuclear waste.
Those countries indebted to the IMF.
Got It
http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/one-soldier-commits-suicide-every-day/story-e6frfku0-1225892769549
One soldier commits suicide every day
NewsCore July 16, 2010
SOLDIERS killed themselves at the rate of one per day in June making it the worst month on record for US Army suicides.
There were 32 confirmed or suspected suicides among soldiers in June, including 21 among US active-duty troops and 11 among National Guard or Reserve forces, according to Army statistics.
Seven soldiers killed themselves while in combat in Iraq or Afghanistan in June, according to the statistics. Of the total suicides, 22 soldiers had been in combat, including 10 who had deployed two to four times.
“The hypothesis is the same that many have heard me say before: continued stress on the force,” said Army Col. Christopher Philbrick, director of the Army Suicide Prevention Task
The fact that taxpayers are paying ANY subsidies to oil companies in the first place should be shocking.
But we are about to do it all again by subsidising new forms of energy and paying these fossils at the same time. mini US
I hate all subsidies except for those to the poor until we get back to a free market. Apparently Spain and a couple of other countries rushed into alternative energy too soon via subsidies (either direct or indirect) and are now paying the price. We mustn’t let the CO2 scare panic US into foolish economic decisions.
@Bonn — here’s a link for you, re: Afghanistan…
http://alturl.com/dodcm
Dear Stacy and Max,
Here is an interesting article from the NY times I thought I should share with you regarding Italian manufactures producing in Italy rather than exporting their product in China. Would love to hear what you think if you have a chance to read it.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/business/global/01italy.html?ref=global-home
Pentagon Report Places Blame for Suicides
WASHINGTON — At a time of record-high military suicides, commanders are ignoring the mental health problems of American soldiers and not winnowing out enough of those with records of substance abuse and crime, a United States Army report has concluded.
in 2009 it was 160 suicide
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/30/us/30suicide.html?src=mv
tis Remindin me of Alexander
“AFGHANISTAN IS THE GRAVEYARD FOR EMPIRES !!!!” -JON STEWART
LOLOLOLOL
ROFL
Hic
Grave yards in afghanistan include Roman Empire, Alexander and recently USSR and now tears an open grave fer USA
lololololollol
Hic
if we stop heavily taxing carbon in such a manner in order to fund the acquisition of these oil reserves then emissions will go down on their own in a genuine free market pricing of oil Stacy
I think I know what you mean by this statement (and agree) but I would say that Americans are taxed in order to subsidize the price of oil. And of course subsidies distort the free market.
… well my opinion is that we abolish entirely the enormous carbon acquisition taxes we currently pay, removing this subsidy and distortion to the market will create a genuine price for oil but also stop the current misallocation of capital Stacy
While I disagree on CO2, I totally agree with this statement. Bring the troops home! Then we could afford to pay $10/gal or whatever.
Oh, and good morning Stacy.
…And like Keiser, they’re paid by Moscow…
hehee..
@Flicks — yeah, Tarpley… (Sigh)
He mixes some good research and analysis with a lot of sensationalistic bullshit. On Assange, he plays the “weird childhood” = “mind control” card, and also “nomadic lifestyle” = “spy”. Wayne Madsen ain’t much better. I mean, I agree with them 51% of the time, but… c’mon…
@ Stacy H/T ?????
Wow US MIC suicide rate is upto 1 per day after 10 years of War
Wait findin links
Hic
You know I talk to the whales and other wild things and they laugh at me when I say we can work it out. Have you ever had a whale laugh at your ideas, it kinda cuts to the bone. Something good is coming, what it is, I can’t say because I don’t know, pretty quiet this year. Definitely something horrible first!
@ Stacy/ mAx
why dont you have a feed like Tarpley or AJ for TAM
Tarpleys radio is seamless & better tan AJ’s I cant hear TAM sometin is wrong
but I have faced problems earlier as well wit TAM
Ask yer techie what Tarpley is usin or just call Tarpley’s techie or Tarpley himself
http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/
it has never given me any problems in listenin and I have a 64 K RAM 40 GB hard disk So I cant be downloadin TAM
AJ also his http://www.infowars.com/infowars.asx is actually Seamless as well if it gets stuck I just reload and its pritty smoooth
Just a feed back from me but nothing like Tarpley’s broadcast
Hic
Tofu Charlie – you may find Webster Tarpley’s recent broadcast interesting
on wikileaks – he see’s it as part of “lift and shift” – propaganda to shift attention to targeting Pakistan and Iran from Afghan.
Almost the same maybe said for the silver manipulation – the non-farm payrolls number and JP Morgan silver take down info means that everyone piles in and does the govt’s work for them. As Ted Butler said on KWN he has directly accused JP Morgan but nothing happened. Why – its working in their favour, at the moment .
OK, so I’m a little drunk, this guy sounds like he’s headed in the right direction, Tax incentives and sustainability, really? I test out as a hopeless optimist. My rationale side just laughs….I love you guys and fight for you every day!
Ok – from what I can gather – this is just saying that we already pay lots of money in some form of carbon tax because a lot of the taxpayer funded subsidies are going to oil companies and financing the acquisition of oil (carbon fossil fuels) through military means. I will agree with Stacey’s analysis in that the taxpayer funds are funding the war which effectively means it is an acquisition tax – and on that note do not agree that war is in the spirit of the free market in determining the price of oil and allocating capital to it. In fact it could be increasing it’s price due to the additional military spending required to secure it (not to mention the amount of oil used by the military – are there stats on this?). This essentially gives America “first dibs” in the oil.
So I suppose the next question for Americans who would be for stopping the war is – what is your net gain (or loss) in terms of energy and oil prices (which feed everything else) from pulling out of the war and abolishing the acquisition tax on carbon.
Hey this is France u’r not s’pose to work on Sunday
…maybe it’s different in Paris LMAO!!
There are two parts being confused.
The planet and the economy.
If you don’t believe in being ripped of by business and governments you are said to be a climate denier. But, the two arguments are not the same.
I heard a politician here recently say “Almost all economists agree that carbon trading is the best way to deal with this”.
Economists?
WTF do they know about anything, let alone the planet.
I hate that economists decide about the planet.
They are just more self-appointed experts who rule the world like accountants and lawyers.
Well frankly they have proven over time that they don’t know shit.
Have a good weekend folks
WTF? Wikileaks tweeting a warmongering Telegraph article: “Pakistan is the true enemy”… Nice work, anti-war activists!
Y’all are getting sucked in by the “powerful abuses” angle, just so you can feel a superior sense of moral outrage. Talking about individual “war crimes” won’t change a thing.
Wikileaks looking more and more like new left gatekeepers, setting the boundaries of debate. No mention of the drugs, or cash, or real “double games”.
The fact that taxpayers are paying ANY subsidies to oil companies in the first place should be shocking.
But we are about to do it all again by subsidising new forms of energy and paying these fossils at the same time. Pay tax, hidden subsidies and end user pays all at once. The taxpaying sucker.
The same system will re-occur with the next form of energy, watch out for nuclear.
Remember when cigarette companies were like these guys, now they are moribund. It just takes time, once the ‘people’ are slowly convinced that its good for them.
……Meanwhile, more senate enquiries to help us along the way
I see global warming, I just don’t see the process of paying for it.
The same salesmen will make the big bucks and the taxpayer gets left with the triple accounting b/s.
Same game, different product.
We are in the middle of winter in south eastern Australia and it was 21 degrees today. Beautiful day, but what is summer going to be like?
“in recorded history” – yep
“in history” – ?
@Dedo Darwins ‘Theory’, do you even know what the word theory means?
How about the ‘theory’ of gravity, I guess that one isn’t a fact either?
@Stacy, you’re right, I probably focused on the taxes at the sale point (which is easiest to recognise and to get familiarised with) forgetting the whole trail of other taxes leading up to the end point in the store. Production tax, transport tax, labour tax, business tax, and so on from the baby raw material to the finished fabricated product to the engross to the Store, new taxes in every step of the way until it reaches the final consumer and I only see the last price and the last tax.
Iraq had its hottest day in history on June 14, 2010, when the mercury hit 52.0°C (125.6°F) in Basra. Iraq’s previous record was 51.7°C (125.1°F) set August 8, 1937, in Ash Shu’aybah.
Pakistan had its hottest temperature in history on May 26, when the mercury hit an astonishing 53.5°C (128.3°F) at the town of MohenjuDaro, according to the Pakistani Meteorological Department. While this temperature reading must be reviewed by the World Meteorological Organization (WMO) for authenticity, not only is the 128.3°F reading the hottest temperature ever recorded in Pakistan, it is the hottest reliably measured temperature ever recorded on the continent of Asia.
Myanmar (Burma) had its hottest temperature in its recorded history on May 12, when the mercury hit 47°C (116.6°F) in Myinmu, according to the Myanmar Department of Meteorology and Hydrology. Myanmar’s previous hottest temperature was 45.8°C (114.4°F) at Minbu, Magwe division on May 9, 1998. According to Chris Burt, author of the authoritative weather records book Extreme Weather, the 47°C measured this year is the hottest temperature in Southeast Asia history.
Ascention Island (St. Helena, a U.K. Territory) had its hottest temperature in history on March 25, 2010, when the mercury hit 34.9°C (94.8°C) at Georgetown. The previous record was 34.0°C (93.2°F) at Georgetown in April 2003, exact day unknown.
Stacy your conditioned strongly to believe warming = bad a value judgement that came from where? I dont deny anything that IS, I just dont impose a value judgement on it.
So you can spend all your energy resisting global warming or population increase when you have no idea what the course of this plant should be.
Knock yourself out humanity go bang your heads against the concrete wall of the universe more please.
@Stacy .. so you want to discuss it ?
Let’s start with “should be abolished” …
Firstly, a Govt. ABOLISHING taxes is a very rare event.
Secondly, sure, they could abolish it … but be sure they’ll find something else to replace it with.
My point … and to underline my first “shouting” remark :
Govts. (the parasite) will always find new ways to grow .. and that means taking your money ( work, energy , life-energy or whatever ) in order to do this.
… until the parasite is so big that it’s only option left is to eat itself.
“To suppose that the eye with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic aberration, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest degree.”
http://www.darwins-theory-of-evolution.com/
Darwin’s theory (not fact), is just the prelude to a eugenical paradigm/program, that is coming to the fore!
These folk plan over longer periods, than most folk could comprehend.
Also, I’ve noticed,…@Stacy and mAx, never seem to deviate from “their” arguments.
A truly scientific perspective sees from all angles,….
To my last comment, note @MirrorMirror’s shouting talking points without engaging or rebutting my opinion that the carbon tax we have been paying for past 60 years be abolished . . .
@Carbon Taxes … just another Govt. scam to take your money.
There is nothing else to discuss IMO.
@Palantír – Americans pay US federal taxes; of those, more than half go to the military, much of which is used to secure oil which is the same carbon that some believers in climate change say we should then charge a usage tax on top of this acquisition tax; well, we already tax it as per this data, only it is not at the point of sale and so is not identified as being such, but a tax, nevertheless it is;
if we stop heavily taxing carbon in such a manner in order to fund the acquisition of these oil reserves then emissions will go down on their own in a genuine free market pricing of oil
so whilst shriekers drop by and scream statements they state as my own which then leaves even regulars totally confused as to my opinion; well my opinion is that we abolish entirely the enormous carbon acquisition taxes we currently pay, removing this subsidy and distortion to the market will create a genuine price for oil but also stop the current misallocation of capital
I don’t see the connection between carbon tax and industry subsidies.
If you call any subsidies to a industry that deals with CO2 (which probably is most industries) a carbon tax then you nullify the meaning of the word carbon tax.
Carbon tax is/was I thought a tax on pollution, and I don’t mean tax on human CO2 breathing or cow’s methane belch or any other forms of subsidies.
To take an example, in Scandinavia we pay a “CO2 tax” a pollution tax on cars petrol use.
The CO2 tax is 0,86 Kroner per liter gasoline which is about 7% of the total price.
Along that CO2 tax we also have a gasoline tax which is 4,54 Kroner per liter which is about 36% of the total price
Adding to that the value-added tax of 2,50 Kroner which is 20% of the total price.
Of the total petrol pump price of 12,50 Kroner we pay 7,90 Kroner in taxes that is 63% of the pump price.
There is a clear distinction between other taxes and the CO2 tax.
To say that the costs of the Afghanistan and Iraq is a “carbon tax” confuses me, I think it is a wrong way of wording the war costs.
we now have in the UK , bio fuels. Because it is harder to produce and also to implement the infrastructure to ethanol to be blended with petrol at the moment its about 2.5% . To make up the shortfall on the target set, the bio element of diesel is up to 7% and has been found in some cases to be over 10% . Now apart from the folly that is bio fuels, what is happening is the companies that are doing nothing (fuel suppliers) to reducing their co2 targets is they are buying credits from others who have hit their targets.
And the ones who have hit their targets are buying cheaper ethanol from the
US because they subsidise production over there, whereas there are three plants in the UK producing but obviously can’t compete with subsidy.
The fact that Tesco the supermarket giant is a major share holder in this company means nothing of course.
So in a couple of months time, the fuel that is already more expensive here as it is taxed to the hilt, will be going up another couple of pence per litre to cover the carbon payments the fuel suppliers have to pay.
Then vat gets added to that to its a double whammy.
We have more oil than Qatar huge Hydro resources and yet Scotland gets treated like it should be greatfull its part of the Union and the Doublespeak thought media will do all it can to make the proles not see what is really going on.
@deepsoul – you are not talking rationally or reasonably but with condescending hubris
I am not talking about cows farting but temperatures rising, today; you can deny the temperature readings and trends all you want, that is your prerogative, at the time, the majority of the population denied, even when presented with what we now view as irrefutable proof, that the sun is, indeed, at the center of the solar system; that the earth is, in fact, more than 4 billion years old (though nearly half of Americans still believe it is only 6050 years old); and that humans evolved from other species (newspapers from the late 1800′s Britain show that, in response to the discovery of the first neanderthal bones and scientists’ claims that we were related, the media mocked and ridiculed the scientists that said these were human remains); etc. None of these facts of popular derision stopped scientists (even when faced with death in the case of asserting that the sun was at the center of the solar system) with continuing to advance their understanding.
and whether the temperatures are rising due to a greenhouse gas effect or an orbital change or sun spots; the last extreme weather event (in this case drought) since modern humans existed nearly saw us go extinct: http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/01/human-species-n.html
and warmer temperatures prior to humans saw sea levels many meters higher than they are today; regardless of whatever demons Fox News sees and you believe, the fact remains that many major cities are currently below those previous levels; and it will cost many billions to move populations or fortify sea walls to such levels
The Allure of Messy Lives
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/01/fashion/01Cultural.html?_r=1&ref=style
Bankers cheat more than political staffers by 2:1 http://bit.ly/9sK0um And Americans cheat as much as anybody else
is it any wonder?
I thought Rickards was gonna be on at the end of the month?
Just for the record…
Dow : Gold
http://www.chartoftheday.com/20100730.gif
Looks like the next down-move is near IMO.
@Stacy – I was attempting to differentiate btwn an “energy tax” and a “carbon tax”. I say level the playing field: no subsidies for any mode of energy production. easier said than done I suppose, but it’s towards an ideal of fairness.
BUT, if we frame that as a “carbon tax”, then ultimately every commodity, every act of production gets drawn into the field of taxation as carbon is a basic element of life.
there is a language barrier here. now, as you are a believer in Imminent Death, it is fitting you use that meme. the cows are farting! save Gaia!
I understand the US DOJ is suing BP !managers! for the Gulf oil spil.
Q: Does this mean BP is criminally off the hook?
Q: If positive, this would mean BP is TBTF?
Webster Tarpley asks how Wikileaks is paid for? Kirsty Wark of BBC’s Newsnight asked Julian Assange :-
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00t89n5/Newsnight_27_07_2010/
“along a long road towards the creation of a new international financial system. Since the 2007–2008 crisis, we have advanced some way along such a road, but there is a long and winding route still to follow”.
http://www.chathamhouse.org.uk/files/16586_86_3helleiner.pdf
“I suggest that it is likely to come into being through a slower and more incremental process of development that can be divided into four phases: a legitimacy crisis, an interregnum,a constitutive phase and an implementation phase.”
Freedom Watch with Julian Assange of Wikileaks:
Julian Assange on Freedom Watch A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q-nOb4UD3vc
Julian Assange on Freedom Watch B
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GggAHKqFXdo
@deepsoul – all of those are direct carbon taxes listed above; the US military specifically allocates money to protecting oil resources; the US Coast Guard’s oil platform protection is $500 million per year; these are carbon taxes and my taxes go toward these in a manner that I have no say over; as Geek Boy notes above, in Ireland the cars are taxed on emissions, I don’t have to buy a car and if I did I might choose to buy the car that emits lower taxes; in France they have a similar program that is neutral in that the SUV, for example, pay x amount in emissions tax on purchase; and that is directly transferred to the person buying the low emission smart car or fiat or renault, so that many of these small cars receive a 1500 euro rebate putting the cost of the car at less than 5000 euros; anyway, these are taxes exacted on the actual users of carbon; with half of my income going to securing oil reserves, I view this as a tax on carbon that I am forced to pay for a totally inefficient, non-competitive and, as most of the current carbon tax goes directly to military spend, a violent system
In terms of energy production, it’s a fair counter to bring up Oil subsidies as criticism is often leveled at the economic feasibility of “renewable” sources vis-a-vis Gov’t subsidies. But that’s in the framework of energy production…
Getting into carbon taxes…that Malthusian road ultimately leads to a tax on life itself. The Elite are all lovin’ on that.
Climate Change :Is Not Just on Earth ” Interplanetary Climate Change, NASA’s
Hottest Secret
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=STqkZR2PSR4&feature=channel
One minute I’m labeled a “truther” the next minute I’m a “denier”. So much double speak, lies and confusion.
John Lennon – Just Give Me Some Truth
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA02YUb8OeE&feature=related
What Happens if We Stay?
http://www.ronpaul.com/
Great cover pics
Atmosphere shrinkage baffles scientists July 18th, 2010 http://www.bharatchronicle.com/atmosphere-shrinkage-baffles-scientists-7581
Solar storm – BBC Focus Magazine July 2010 http://www.bbcfocusmagazine.com/feature/space/solar-storm
Crop Circle 2009 Decoded : The changes have begun http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N6QMxgWCtls
@F. Beard
Sam Cooke – good choice.
Nobody knows the trouble I’ve seen
Crop Circles = Flying Saucer Schematics? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7XDFT0Yv_hg
Two examples of verified crop circle patterns are decoded and integrated into the 31-A for overlay purposes. Jeremy was right……There is in fact a schematic in the pattern layouts of the genuine crop circles. For more info visit the source http://egrd.net
dancin with the chick in slacks…
More Sam Cooke
The Chain Gang
Another Saturday Night
all teeth
I got an idea. Buy aloooot of Gold. Melt is all down and make a big, big gun out of it. Than buy aloooot of silver and melt is down and make a lot of bullets.
But, be sure to practice a lot and keep the safety on for safety sake.
Oh, yea, I guess I should leave the site since I quoted the article.
http://www.sfchron.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/n/a/2010/07/28/national/a110826D68.DTL
Cover your eyes.
Every day we hear and learn more and more about what the problems are…question is, what’s the answer…I think you guys do a more than great job telling us what Is wrong and just how wrong it is…but as a group we are rudderless, and apparently powerless, and hopeless…so with the exception of learning just how screwed we are, the only other thing I keep hearing is that nothing can be done about any of it until it all self destructs…
I mean I keep hearing buy gold…that gold is the answer…or is it really just a false sense of security until we go to cash it in and someone says, well your gold is worthless…your gold is worthless because we didn’t monetizes it…hahaha..You see son, it does not have our approved little stampy thingy on it or whatever…I cannot believe that things have gotten this far along and “THEY” are just going to let that one slip by…so personally I do not think that gold or silver is an answer to anything other than keeping us busy until it doesn’t matter…
We obviously need something more than “oh fuck”…got any ideas???
@dan valley
It’s not you. It seems lately the tabloid have been full of the Clinton wedding. The Daily Mail calls them “royals”. The Clintons are some of the biggest criminals that have walked the planet. The damage they have done is way beyond the beyond.
How Chelsea survived those maniacs is still beyond me. Stanford yet. The biggest mind control university around. I hope they don’t give the details of the honeymoon. It’s Saturday night and I am low on wine.
SAO…calm down….I didnt post a link or photos it was just an opportunity to make an off color remark.
“Chelsea Clinton and Mezvinsky were friends as teenagers in Washington, and both attended Stanford University. They now live in New York, where Mezvinsky works at G3 Capital, a Manhattan hedge fund. Mezvinsky worked previously at Goldman Sachs as an investment banker.”
I’m sooooo sick of the Clintons and Goldman Sachs pops up EVERY damn where. Calgone take me away.
Information worth viewing
http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/898.html
Peter Schiff’s New Ad
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sMKP2UHeOa8&feature=player_embedded
Gold Promises and Currency Lies – http://bit.ly/dgwqgb
Chelsea Clinton weds at exclusive New York estate
Wait till he finds out, she, uses a urinal also!
John Hathaway: The Committee to Save the World – http://bit.ly/cKvrsP
Law for War with Iran
Expressing support for the State of Israel’s right to defend Israeli sovereignty, to protect the lives and safety of the Israeli people, and to use all means necessary to confront and eliminate nuclear threats posed by the Islamic Republic of Iran, including the use of military force if no other peaceful solution can be found within reasonable time to protect against such an immediate and existential threat to the State of Israel. http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=111_cong_bills&docid=f:hr1553ih.txt.pdf
Wells Fargo’s Stumpf Sees New Costs for Customers http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-07-29/wells-fargo-s-stumpf-say-customers-will-share-cost-of-new-bank-regulations.html
Dwindling Retirement Savings ‘Undiscussed Explosive Bomb’ Of Recession http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/07/30/dwindling-retirement-savi_n_665484.html
random hate comment:
Krugman is a shill parrot on the shoulder of the bankster pirates.
Foreclosures Continue To Dramatically Increase In 2010 http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/foreclosures-continue-to-dramatically-increase-in-2010
A Journal investigation finds that one of the fastest-growing businesses on the Internet is the business of spying on consumers. First in a series. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703940904575395073512989404.html
Video – It’s rarely a coincidence when you see Web ads for products that match your interests. WSJ’s Christina Tsuei explains how advertisers use cookies to track your online habits. http://online.wsj.com/video/how-advertisers-use-internet-cookies-to-track-you/92E525EB-9E4A-4399-817D-8C4E6EF68F93.html
The New Credit-Card Tricks http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704895004575395823497473064.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_MIDDLENexttoWhatsNewsForth
Bob Chapman: The Crooks, The Liars, The Criminals http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAEuix0SD-M
I hate to be redundant, but how do you stop these guys when they hold all the cards and the Americans People breath apathy like air?
What alternative is there to either a bloody revolution or legal secession?
Authoritarian Capitalism – The American Prison System http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1iMFd0zDAW0
Think cap and trade is dead? Think again! 24 July 2010, (Western Rifle Shooters Association) http://westernrifleshooters.blogspot.com/2010/07/harry-nancys-last-stand.html
Climate-Change Bill shelfed but CFTC approves Green Exchange=Cap and Trade 24 July 2010, by Sarah N. Lynch (MarketWatch) http://www.marketwatch.com/story/cftc-approves-green-exchange-2010-07-24
Hacker builds $1,500 cell-phone tapping device
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/us_tec_hacker_conference_tapping_cell_phones
’1945 – 1998′
by Isao Hashimoto
2053 nuclear explosions shown in an interesting format:
http://www.blip.tv/file/1662914
Anyway i thought we were talking about Pat Benatar?
Hmmm………… am off to my fav Porn site
Global warming is a LIE
You 2 simply want it to be true so its fits with the World you wish to see post crash!
Mike
FYI: Newly registered cars in Ireland are now taxed based on their CO2 emissions instead of engine size. I think we’re the first in the world to do this.
The rates of Irish Car Tax from January 2010 are shown below based on CO2 emissions
Band A: cars that produce 0-120g/km CO2 – €104 road tax;
Band B: cars that produce 121g – 140g/km CO2 – €156 road tax;
Band C: cars that produce 141g-155g/km CO2 – €302 road tax;
Band D: cars that produce 156g-170g/km CO2 – €447 road tax;
Band E: cars that produce 171g-190g/km CO2 – €630 road tax;
Band F: cars that produce 191g-225g/km CO2 – €1,050 road tax;
Band G: cars that produce 226g/km CO2 and over – €2,100 road tax
Here’s the breakdown of Carbon Taxes being paid by British Columbians in Canada
since July 1st 2008
http://www.sbr.gov.bc.ca/documents_library/notices/British_Columbia_Carbon_Tax.pdf
note that they have doubled… in 2 years…
And where has the money gone???