Stacy Summary: Just found this first story and the two that follow are from links within the first. One of my ideas is that we should entirely remove all carbon taxes we currently pay, slash them down to zero; I would also cut income tax drastically if most of it is going to the military, which, in turn, is mostly used to ‘secure’ other people’s oil, natural gas and other resources and, thus, an indirect carbon tax. I don’t believe that our energy systems would be as inefficient as they currently are if it weren’t for so much government spending in and distortion of the energy market.
- Fossil fuel subsidies still dominate
- Fossil fuel subsidies, taxpayer handouts are almost 10 times larger than those for renewables
- CO2 emissions would fall by 6% if we cut carbon taxes we pay to oil, gas and coal companies
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@Don bag O chickens
Cheers for the links.
I was quite surprised to find out that some companies use radioactive waste in their smoke detectors:
http://www.anr.state.vt.us/dec/wastediv/HHW/SmokeDetectors.htm
http://library.thinkquest.org/C004606/applications/smokedetectorsim.html
http://www.eoearth.org/article/Smoke_detectors_and_radiation
It’s interpollution, stupid!
http://POLLUTICO.COM
Exxon is the visible hand of the human spirit and rootcause of the situation boom in God’s market environment.
CUL-DE-SEC:
NO MORE SUBSIDIES NOR TAXES
ONLY 5 EURO/LTR IS THE WAY OUT
Ban Authority & Industry at the sane time!
http://Brutish.Petroleum-s.com
@Youri: but I agree, No More Tax but 5euro/Ltr would solve the globe’s problems – primarely being the fundamental lack of meaningful participation and innovation – and instate European supremacy over the American economic chimera by decoupling the euro from petrodollar warfare and ICTerror that would free the world from institutional budget-buffer-bonus crime.
http://worltd.com
CO2 emissions are already at their lowest point in 15 years.
http://mjperry.blogspot.com/2010/05/co2-emissions-fall-to-14-year-low-in.html
Don’t know for certain it is fact, but I have heard IRS payroll taxes collected go directly to the Fed to pay interest on the Debt. That may just be rumor. In other words, straight into the coffers of foreign owned banks. That may not just be rumor. Or slavery, whatever suits ya.
I do recall 8 years ago that 20% of all taxes collected serviced the interest on the Debt. Not sure what percentage it is now. That was US Treasury numbers, and we all know you can trust them like Boy Scouts.
If true though, then the military we mostly borrow to fund. Or use the FICA has if it was Payroll collections and spend it without Trust. Or Print it. Or all three of the above.
Yes Stacy, there is a thing called “purse strings.” And ballot booths. Labeled “Non-functioning”, with a lockout tag firmly affixed.
And a vast corrupt msm: Now for the closing conjure, we show you two candidates from one party, we pick the questions they will answer, and you get to “choose.” For a real knee-slapper, we’ll label this charade a “debate”….you Rubes will never know.
“Do not attempt to adjust your set. “We control the vertical. We control the horizontal….”
And don’t you dare ask who “we” are, you miserable conspiracy theorist you.
Hi, Stacy!
Global Warming is bull but I agree, we should have no subsidies for oil, real market based energy prices and let providers of energy to compete on efficiency.
CO2 is not a problem, carbon tax and oil subsidies are…
We that do not accept Global Warming “Science” can agree with you on this: No subsidies for oil and no Carbon Tax. A good platform for any libertarian candidate…
If this platform indirectly helps to solve the unexistent “Global Warming Problem” you are welcome….
Cheers from a cold winter in São Paulo, Brazil!
Compare with: http://global-war.ning.com
@Youri: the Shell agenda is under Exxon pressure since 1963 – learn your history lessons and xxell – Exxon-Shell-Gov.nl is the globe’s biggest public-private partnership that seized the globalisation trend and dictates life worldwide with the P3/cheapOil doctrine led by ExxonMobil’s banksters.
http://twitter.com/Wikilead
@@Don bag O chickens
Wait O minute,. You said naughty.
Well nasty and naughty is a thin line sometimes. The emphasis should be on nasty but everybody has his own associations, thinking is free (for now).
@Don bag O chickens
“Black Nobilty, “Rubber Barons” who are one and the same so I mingled them a bit and it supose to sound nasty cause they are nasty fellows.
Climate science: Hotter heatwaves
Published online 04 August 2010
Nature
Regional changes in extreme summer temperatures could exceed average global warming by several degrees, according to Robin Clark and his colleagues at the Met Office Hadley Centre in Exeter, UK.
They ran 224 simulations of climate responses to an atmospheric carbon dioxide level double that of today’s to determine the corresponding changes in regional heat extremes. They found that in many geographical areas in the Northern Hemisphere, even the lower estimates of changes in heat extremes exceeded the global average increase in temperature.
Furthermore, 44 simulations that produced an average of 2 °C of global warming predicted that single-day extreme temperatures could increase by 6 °C or more in large parts of Europe, North America and Asia. Regional changes in excessively hot days and heatwaves are related to variability in reductions in soil moisture, the authors suggest.
Geophys. Res. Lett. doi:10.1029/2010GL043898 (2010)
It just proves again and again that Adam’s Smith free market is just plain and unadultarated bullshit in every sphere of human activity. Want to be rich today ? Buy a godamn politician so he can rape and plunder the slave taxpayer.
The Energy Non-Crisis
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3340274697167011147#
or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NbakN7SLdbk
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil_fuel
Fossil fuels are fuels formed by natural resources such as anaerobic decomposition of buried dead organisms. The age of the organisms and their resulting fossil fuels is typically millions of years, and sometimes exceeds 650 million years
Bonn says PROOVE IT
bONN tHEORY On fOSSIL FUEL
Whenever sometin is explained in such a simpleton fashion IT’S ALL COCK AND BULL CRAP
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL
ROFL
Hic
1. Reduce the number of paved roadways. It would reduce traffic by reducing the enjoyabilty of driving (and polluting).
The Desert Concept http://www.desertec.org/en/concept/
This same Concept can be done in the U.S. using it’s deserts http://www.desertmuseum.org/books/nhsd_northamerica.php
But no, the U.S. rather spends it’s money on Useless wars and genocide that what I call it when you poison not only the enemy but also your troops with depleted uranium. Cancer rate in Fallujah worse than Hiroshima http://arabnews.com/world/article91871.ece
In Context: US Military Spending Versus Rest of the World: The U.S. Spends 47% of the Total Global war expenditure http://www.globalissues.org/article/75/world-military-spending#InContextUSMilitarySpendingVersusRestoftheWorld
In our last thread on the topic WL posted this paper:
Falsification_of_the_Atmospheric_CO2_Greenhouse_Effects.pdf
by Gerhard Gerlich.
Written will full use of radiative transfer equations, etc. claiming that there is no Greenhouse Effect on earth at all. I read it (somewhat quickly) and found it lacking in several ways. But now, I discovered that its already been debunked by several people. Including one line by line refutation of the whole paper.
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Gerhard_Gerlich
I should have known….
@Neville Bartos
Well it’s all about money flows Cap an Trade is a form of derivative tax created out of nothing which makes these Rockefellers billions and it’s a system that’s made to commit fraude which in fact is allready happening.
If you want a Cap on it it’s very simple just put the tax on the Gasoline and the more people use gasoline the more they pay. It’s just that simple. You don’t need a black box in your car to charge you by the mile. A tax payed at the gasoline station is a charge per mile, very simple. These black boxes are all about control freaks and they are control freak sociopaths.
But what are government’s gonna do with all that extra money? They throw it on the the big tax pile like with all the taxes. The best would be if these taxes are realy spend on building a sun solar energy grid from Europe to North Africa and going further trough the deserts were you have the most sunlight hours.
In fact the EU has such a plan so why nobody is hearing about that and why havn’t they started to build it? It would be perfect for the North and Middle Africans to deliver Electricity to Europe which developes the third world and give them a steady source of income.
Solar power from Saharan sun could provide Europe’s electricity, says EU http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/jul/23/solarpower.windpower
Trans-Mediterranean Renewable Energy Cooperation http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trans-Mediterranean_Renewable_Energy_Cooperation
Since were talking about CO2, one of the odd seeming facts is that CO2 increase in the historical record temperature increase, at least for the first 800 years of a 5000 year warming period. This article explains why:
http://www.skepticalscience.com/Why-does-CO2-lag-temperature.html
Basically the think to note is that CO2 & temp are a positive feedback loop. When earth warms a bit (eg due to Malkenovitch cycles) the oceans breath out a little more CO2, which causes the oceans to warm, which causes more CO2, etc. What’s frightening is that the oceans today are absorbing a portion of the CO2 we emit…but may not always be able to do so, esp. as they heat up!
These fossil fuel “subsidies” are in fact a tax. The oil companies pollute the air and water, the taxpayers pay for the clean up and the climate change damage out of our own taxes. This tax just goes to help the profits of ecodestroyers, where as a carbon tax would at least curb destructive behavior, be a LOWER tax and the funds could be directed somewhere sensible.
(Note1: “could be” assumes we have a real democracy which is a long way off. )
(Note2: Carbon tax is a straight flat tax, not a carbon market which GS can manipulate)
I get the point about income taxes and indirect carbon tax. But realistically how do you stop someone else ‘securing’ the resources. On the flip side it may promote competition within energy types but I can’t see current IP laws being fertile ground. Also there would be a restructuring time for new energy technologies. Granted the situation is an oil spill but the point is still a valid opposition to a carbon tax.
Agreed. Well said.
The MTF’s here in Holland (Read our Government) donnow their head from an hole in the ground. They are completely in the pocket of the Bilderbergers they lick Rockefellows ass, “Yes Sir, No Sir, Certainly so Sir”
Rockefellow tells them to jump and they ask how high. They’re dupes. Especially the cunning treators of the CDA (Conservative Christian Hounds Party) who sell our country out to these scumbags just like our head of the Central Bank – CFR scumbag Welling. Lying SOB.
@Mother Earth
Trying to stick some feathers up your ass with the World Wide Sun Solar Grid and all …..so were is the I am whitya? Stacy knows who she is do ya?
Well to be honest the SHELL Agenda=
- Oil on the first place
- Goal and research for cleaner coal burning on the second
- Gas thirdely and if we don’t stop the MTF’s than the Crazies are gonna pump senseless CO2 into the ground and we pay the MTF’s via the the Cap and Trade Scam. So than we pay them triple for oil in Tax what SHELL get’s for Subsidies and for senseless CO2 pumping, it’s a fuckin disgrace.
Wake up boy!
Slow steaming..In shipping it is called ‘economical speed’, that is the minimum speed you can go without getting to late (which is a mortal sinn). The type of oil used to power containerships is nasty, probably because there’s no neigbours to complain about the stench, soot and sulfer mid ocean..
My take is we need to ban fossil fuels and phase them out on an emergency schedule, they are needed for the transition to electric and possibly ammonia/hydrogen. If you don’t do that you are going to use it up, and then it doesn’t matter how much is used when, the results are the same.
Carbon stays up there for hundreds if not thousands of years. We need to get the extinction meme going, because most still think the only problem is it will get warmer or colder.
@Stacy
You are definitely a Climatebabe…
@Stacy,
It seems to me that you sometimes confuse a tax for carbon (i.e. a subsidy such as troops in the ME) with a tax on carbon such as what we pay at the pump. Is it me or lovely thee that is confused?
Globally seized energy fundamentals and the distortion of life:
the lost retort: http://gasroot.com
@Stacy
I’m a turtle. I love slowness. Slow people like me will save the Earth. Want to save the planet ? Take your time ! Old Italian saying ‘Qui va piano va sano.’ The one who goes slowly stays healthy. What’s the rush anyways ? A slower world would help us all to learn enjoying life and cultivate our garden.
What really matters when you talk about market distortions is that per unit renewables get more subsidy . Renewables are such a small piece of the pie that of course less is spent on them. How much more does oil users pay in taxes?
IMO You need to find ways to stop Globalisation. Allow individuals to build personal wealth. End the private issuance of debt currency. End the monopoly of the mega corporation. Reverse interdependence and allow each nation to persue and protect their own interest and goals selfishly. From there build up a proper multi polar family of nations.
Allowing the people of the world to prosper and evolve without parasitical interference is the best chance that humanity has to move forward to a more deeper understanding of ourselfs and the universe around us.
Quaint?.
@ microhousehold
The waste is in US fertilizers. Uranium has a natural affinity to phosphate. If the phosphate miners intend to separate the two, they have to get NRC (Nuclear Regulatory Commission) licensing which is very expensive and on going. However, if the phosphate producers simply don’t want to hassle with that yellow cake stuff, they simply package it up and send it off to the fields. http://www.acsa2000.net/HealthAlert/radioactive_tobacco.html
Here is one that contradicts itself: so the radiation comes from the soils (which it can) but the phosphates have nothing to do with that…
“Natural radioactivity in farm soil and phosphate fertilizer and” …
http://www.acsa2000.net/HealthAlert/radioactive_tobacco.html
Plants can work as up take and sinks which will store the uranium isotopes in the food being produced.
so much uranium that is has become economically feasible to mine uranium from phosphates.
https://netfiles.uiuc.edu …/Uranium%20Resources%20in%20Phosphate%20Rocks.pdf -
@ Youri
you make it sound so naughty!!
“We got to beat the black rubber barons nobility first or …”
“beat” “rubber barons”
“I don’t believe that our energy systems would be as inefficient as they currently are if it weren’t for so much government spending in and distortion of the energy market”
exactly! I believe we are still in our infancy where energy is concerned. nuke, for example is simply boiling water over hot rocks to create steam. Yet, there is enough hydrogen in the human body to wipe out a city; we are in our infancy.
“Fossil fuel subsidies still dominate” Yep, and we consumers pay for that ourselves. Here in the Netherlands we have a 60% (actually two taxes) on Gasoline.
Listen, and listen very carefully I studied this subject thoroughly: The Only alternative we have to fossil fuel is son energy, non other! Forget about windmills and other grap that ain’t realistic.
If we would put money in Son energy we could have a world wide Sun Solar Grid in no time but that ain’t the matter. The oil Companies Rulez.
As long as the oil company Rulez we can do shit! And that’s the bloody blatant truth. We got to beat the black rubber barons nobility first or you can talk shit till ya die!
Spill Highlights Oil Industry “Double Game” re Taxes & Subsidies
http://www.economywatch.com/economy-business-and-finance-news/spill-highlights-oil-industry-double-game-re-taxes-and-subsidies-06-07.html
An economist for the Treasury Department said in 2009 that
a study had found that oil prices and potential profits were so high that
eliminating the subsidies would decrease American output by less than half of one percent.
“We’re giving tax breaks to highly profitable companies to do what they would be doing anyway,” said Sima J. Gandhi, a policy analyst at the Center for American Progress, a liberal research organization.
“That’s not an incentive; that’s a giveaway.”
Some of the tax breaks date back nearly a century
Since 90% of oil production is state owned, subsidies are used to steal energy from other states….
In a world of fiat backed by nothing, subsidies and taxes are meaningless.
@Geek Boy’s Revenge
Check the links,
It is happening worldwide:
Venezuela and Russia for example.
@Marc – yes, you’re right, I just read about tankers cutting speeds to reduce fuel costs, it’s called slow steaming: http://articles.latimes.com/2010/jul/31/business/la-fi-slow-sailing-20100731
@GB’sR – yes, but I’m sure it also applies elsewhere, though not so much to the military spend (ex-UK, France)
Are you speaking specifically of the US Stacy?
@Stacy
You’ve hit the nail on the head!
Well we’ve all seen the $50 billion bail out of GM.
Same story for nuclear fission.
Just to remind some people of the The $30 Billion Nuclear Waste Storage Headache:
http://www.businessinsider.com/the-nuclear-headache
Limit transportation. And if you have to travel use the train. Just limiting the car speeds at 100 km or 60 miles per hour would reduce the consumption of oil by 30% for transportation. It’s huge considering the fact that transport eats 49% ! YES ! 49% of fossil fuels. Taking your time is part of the solution.