Stacy Summary: Well, Google/NSA are about to go full steam ahead to the dark side. We all knew this would happen, of course, for in an Orwellian world must often understand most statements of intent and mottos to mean the exact opposite. So, guess we’ll have to meet back in meat space soon? More on Google going evil.
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I missed this when it was first broadcast:
http://www.democracynow.org/2010/8/6/verizon_google_enter_reported_deal_for
If the FCC takes legal authority over the Internet, doesn’t it make it that much easier to repeat what former FCC Commissioner Michael Powell, did, when he deliberately ignored the will of the People, which was overwhelmingly expressed in a flood of letters, running 99-to-1, vehemently opposed to further media consolidation in the United States? He defiantly stamped his imprimatur on the consolidations for his corporate cronies, simply because he could.
Links to two more recent pieces that seem pertinent:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/08/10/copps_versus_google_and_verizon/
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=385×493673
Is Google/Verizon a crisis in the making as large as say, the Gulf oil spill? Does it have the potential to serve as a similar misdirection/distraction from other imminent dire developments soon bearing down on the People?
@ Palantír
I completely agree with your reply; and that in fact was my own point too.
It’s a tough disinfo jungle out there, but I endorse (future information notwithstanding) your use, and recommendation, of HushMail from personal experience.
My own thoughts are that the N5A — being the biggest super-computer user/buyer in the world — can simply brute-force crack current industrial strength encryption commonly available right now should they turn their eye to any particular user to do so.
(No proof is provided from me of that opinion other than why would they allow a change of encryption from the status of a “protected munition” in the late 1990′s to: “oh, yeah sure, now it’s ok!”)
Having said that, and having reviewed the current AES standard (that some PGP keys can utilize) I wonder if this could really be true — even given their computing firepower?!
*shrugs haplessly*
Some Links on this topic I find interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3On23AcL6ME
http://balkin.blogspot.com/2010/08/vergoogles-plan-to-lochnerize-internet.html
http://crooksandliars.com/susie-madrak/google-chooses-evil-verizon-agreement
GOOGLE – translated – Go ogle! Go stare…at everything we do.
@Majestic
“But none of us can really know if it’s actually compromised ‘behind the scenes’ or not.”
True, and you could stick that sentence to whatever company or data program you’d like and it would always apply. As you write, it is all about some kind of trust. Google had it for a time, later it changed, and now they’ve been proven untrustworthy.
So we’ll be needing a new internet as well as banks. How would we build a fire wall against the corporate psycho’s ?
@ Palantír
I used to use HushMail myself, and it seemed great. But none of us can really know if it’s actually compromised ‘behind the scenes’ or not.
It’s all about some kind of trust at the end of the day. (But it does seem the best we have at the moment)
@Tofu Charlie
“re: getting away from gmail — is there any free webmail that you’d recommend?”
There may be many to use but I have found one that i’m sticking to and recommend, but it may not be as fancy and sparkling as gmail;
Hushmail – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hushmail
free email. It has PGP, a data encryption and decryption computer program that provides cryptographic privacy and authentication for data communication.
@ mae’s fanny
Oh I know tee whole damn History Will be postin around 40 links later this afternoon in about 3 hrs time lolololol
ROFL
Hic
Watch out fer it
I hate to disagree with you my brother, bonn, but the problem is beyond constitution and voting, and certainly older than the last 4 pres. it is an ancient problem if you get my drift.
@ mae’s fanny
I would never allow any ruler to rule If I had that Wish
but your Constitution has been written by some brilliant men Sadly yer last 4 presidents have stomped on yer Constitution they care a rats arse fer it
Also Vote for Transparency
Everytime yer Govt. Hides behind “NATIONAL SECURITY” WTF ???
@bonn
You have Vandane Shive and the most beautiful Arundhati Roy.
could you send one of them to US.
James harris at tpuc.org has an article about a benign ruler, a ruler that you can measure by, If one must have a ruler I would like it to be Arundhati
@ Stacy & Max
the The Swadeshi (Bengali: স্বদেশী, Hindi: स्वदेशी) movement was drillled into me as a Kid from 3rd or 4th grade upto 8th grade I never tote I’d hafta repeat it in me life time lololololololol
ROFL
Hic
with tees Twerps in charge all we….. meanin US citizens hafta do is look at history tears only one chap who brought down the british empire ; he was bare foot with a piece of cloth
PS I could give yas more info on the Swadeshi movement and I tink Max knows about the Salt protest & March I heard him speak of it sometime somewhere
Or start a movement gather momentum heres Inspiration
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swadeshi_movement
The Swadeshi (Bengali: স্বদেশী, Hindi: स्वदेशी) movement, part of the Indian independence movement, was a successful economic strategy to remove the British Empire from power and improve economic conditions in India through following principles of swadeshi (self-sufficiency). Strategies of the swadeshi movement involved boycotting British products and the revival of domestic-made products and production techniques.
@ mae’s fanny
Anyone who is against yer Constitution I would sugest tey are anyone who worth above 50 mill Vote tem outta office I could name ta peeps but ya would’nt believe me!
Easiest route after analyzin tee situation and readin lotta historys is “Follow the Gandhian principle of NON – COMPLIANCE & NON VIOLENCE BUY ONLY US -MADE PRODUCTS THAT ARE MANUFACTURED IN US BY US CITEZENS BURN ALL NON US MADE PRODUCTS AT A PUBLIC SQUARE IF THAT IS NOT POSSIBLE BURN THE NON-US MADE PRODUCT ON YER DRIVE WAY RECORD IT POST IT ON U-TUBE…ENCOURAGE US CITEZENS TO BE NON – COMPLIANT UNTILL YER CONGRESS FOLLOWS THE CONSTITION”
HIC
PS I never tote an Indian like me would be givin advice
lolololololol
Rofl
Hic
@ Max
Why don’t yas burn an apple I-Phone Real time on RT or OTE
Yer a US citezen cummon we can f@ck tees Twerps
Mention its made in China get a few more products that are not made in US by a US citezen and burn it ON – AIR I am sure peter schiff would also participate
@ Stacy
need a Jibber Jabber but nobody visits JJ lollololol
Today afternoon I am gonna re- post all ta links some more new-bees around
I know only 10 links per post tas oks its anyways only some 40 odd links
Hic
@Tofu Charlie – there’s a good number to chose from hotmail, yahoo, most isps have web based e-mail too, couple of smaller outfits out there, but for being on par with what g-mail offers i’d have to say fastmail.fm. It’s better than most. If you want to give Google the finger and help a smaller company.
fastmail offers free accounts, sometimes there’s ads, but there’s no fluff,
if you hate ad tags for 5 bucks a year you can get rid of them
Doesn’t mean any of these places won’t sell you out – we saw what happen when people trusted yahoo – still, none of them are Google related.
maybe other people here have better ideas?
but if Google Verizon get their way it won’t matter anyway.
check your land line, modem and see if any of those local bulletin boards are still up and running
@catastrophist
gatekeeping with very subtle nuances. you have got give it to them, brilliant as chomsky
nice video of black cat with flags
Google is in cahoots with the CIA as is Microsoft. Need I say more?
This article comes a little late don’t you think ?
http://www.mpdailyfix.com/brazil-judge-google-must-disclose-orkut-user-data/
Google bought Orkut among other things a long time ago… Orkut had some problems.
I dumped my shares the moment I read about this.
Atlantic magazine….. Robot Trading…something dark this way comes.
http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2010/08/market-data-firm-spots-the-tracks-of-bizarre-robot-traders/60829
Skippy said : free falling when captured by gravity
Thank you Max Power. Should we be scared, be very scared? Is there some unknown unknowns that we should know about. Is freedom slavery? Is war peace? what triggered the mutation of species in vietnam and china? are there any .ir and .il ? we don’t want to lose our freedom to shop. a good lie is sandwich between two truth. but what the hell I know, as Skippy said my ideas are not mine.
@jischinger — re: getting away from gmail — is there any free webmail that you’d recommend?
Species of Aspidistra inhabit the floors of east Asian forests from eastern India, Indochina, China and Japan.
Aspidistra is a genus that has been ignored by field botanists until quite recently, and there has been a very rapid rise in the number of recognised species in recent years. Many books state that there are eight to ten species, which repeats the knowledge of the late 1970s.
In the 1980s, thirty new species were described from China. Based on current knowledge, China has the most species with some fifty nine, of which fifty four are endemic. The biodiversity ‘hotspot’ of the genus seems to be Guangxi Province, from where no less than thirty nine species have been recorded.
New species are still being found, and the focus has shifted to Vietnam, from where 28 new species have recently been described; it is known that there are many more Vietnamese species.
Currently 93 Aspidistra species have been formally described, and it has been speculated that there may be between two and three hundred.
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@Aspadistra at Ashdown Forest
will you please tell us what you alias means?
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MK’s viewers and readers to dim to waterboard a search engine … or even Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashdown_Forest
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aspidistra_(transmitter)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soldatensender_Calais
Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, lived at Crowborough, on the eastern edge of the forest, as did the nature writer Richard Jefferies for a period while he wrote some of his famous essays. British Prime Minister Harold Macmillan lived at Birch Grove, a house on the edge of the forest near Chelwood Gate; the Macmillan Clump of trees is named in his honour. Major Edward Dudley Metcalfe, the best friend and equerry of Edward VIII.
Skippy! are you there? did read your post at least 5 times, I think I got it and I/we would like some more.
It was not my intention to offend you Tony! Sorry If that could be interpreted as such.
skippy i wish i had some philosophers stone for you to live for ever.
I have been given some idea somewhere that most ideas come from HAL but a few slip trough within
Ok, .. um, … Well, have another drink, Mae.
@Dan
Let me put it to you this way…
If Israel, which is literally sitting on a kegs of dynamite, bio-weapons and God knows what all – hits Iran Iranian jets are a 10min. ride away from downtown Kaboom. in Israel.
Iran is 30,000 air craft strong, one’s bound to get through.
Iran could drop a few random bombs or crash a few planes and watch Israel self-destruct. That’s how much poison the Israeli people are sitting on top of (poor city planing if you ask me).
Iran could strike pretty much anywhere in Israel and the country will be contaminated for decades if not centuries to come.
There are really only two questions to ask. Is the Israeli government reaching for Armageddon or playing for shits and giggle in order to distract.
Seeing that 18 families pretty much own Israel and profit greatly off their investment my guess is the latter.
Even at this point if the US foolishly attacked Iran, Iran would bomb Israel anyway.
Got to hand it to Bush he did one thing right when he told Israel to stick their attack on Iran where the sun don’t shine. Let’s hope Obama does the same.
hey thanks Tony!
here is a good story. there are 2 news casters AP and Reuters. every one else get their news from them. interesting enough tony’s news is from AP hosted on google, posted on a thread about google’s evil about some lie about some very bad country that will not bend over and say “please be gentle”
the malfunctioning HAL making another line of distinction ?
not sure how much opportunity lies in the google/verizon “acknowledgment” of what is, or what will be I guess I am to understand. but …
.. perhaps, folks seeing this but not seeing the the political and money valuing captures … can be shown this as another confirming way to measure how the people are interacted with … from the system in place/status quo/when HAL is malfunctioning
… more people not seeing the other forms of HAL’s malfunction/capture may get there through entering the NOT net neutrality doorway ?
once through that door are there conduits is in place so that these new folks, if there are any, get the other confirming feedback/tags that HAL is malfunctioning.
from there do they … conclude they are not satisfied with the malfunctioning HAL as they are now measuring too many things with the NOT free to a satisfying degree scale/measuring stick.
how do people having the google/verizon conversation get to asking, given this, how happy are with our current level of freedom ? will they connect to the other dots of invisible chains evidence of capture ?
if we are not to let a crisis go to waste … the more evidence HAL is malfunctioning .. . is another opportunity to pick up folks as we inelastically collide with others, adhering along the way forming a critical mass/collection of folks that do not like what they see passing for, this is the functioning society of our time ?
where do we get our ideas ? it seems so Dark City.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e7H_1KuJ5SU
… free falling when captured by gravity … statements that mean the opposite ?
Uh oh, isn’t this what got Iraq bombed?
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hEhR845G1QgnUehgXPZUpQtPwK_QD9HG5R284
Iran: Dirty dollars & euros
They say a good lie is sandwiched between two truth.
@Aspadistra at Ashdown Forest
will you please tell us what you alias means?
Is This Flying Drone Google’s Next Privacy Controversy? Update: Google Says No
http://blogs.forbes.com/andygreenberg/2010/08/09/is-this-flying-drone-googles-next-privacy-controversy/
@Aspadistra at Ashdown Forest
English please
Clean your PC of Google:
Chrome – Export your bookmarks – save them where you can find them . – this will be saved as an .html file so no worries – you can Import them later to another browser.
To get rid of Google Chrome and all traces dl Revo uninstaller (be delicate when you click something to be uninstalled) this will take you all the way through to the registry – it’s amazing when you see what Google has buried deep down in your computer – in this case at the very very end select all to be deleted.
If you know how these work use ccleaner & wise registry cleaner afterwords.
cc lets you store a backup in case you mess up.
wrc will only delete what is really safe to delete in the reg – the rest is up to you to research and decide if you wish to remove those items.
btw these are all free programs, but donate if you can.
look for them at http://www.filehippo.com
Few other things – go into the bookmark manager of any browser, find google, right click and dah lete
Google tool bar can be removed with CP uninstall or revo. Clean the reg again with cc and/or wrc to get rid of all traces of googlejunk.
The hardest thing anyone who wants to be Google free will be moving away from gmail and youtube.
Perhaps someone here would like to enlighten folks how Google’s been storing all your key stokes (misspellings and backspaces too) and youtube (clicks, what you watch and for how long) viewing habits…
Just quickly, the information above came out during the Viacom law suit. Apparently, Google’s been storing all this information in a number of massive warehouses in Texas and Colorado.
Some say if you have nothing to hide don’t worry. But for some reason I find it a little creepy – not unlike staying at a hotel and one of the employees peering through the keyhole.
We are all aware that the American People’s privacy has been violated time and again by the NSA; a number of employees have been sharing your phone conversations for a good laugh and more recently with the naked airport scans making their way around the internet.
There’s really no way to control or protect your privacy anymore. Stricter laws can be enacted which should include jail time and massive fines, but if someone finds a way to get your info out of the country it’s virtually impossible to prevent.
It all comes down to a moral and philosophical POV. If you’ve read my comments or blog you already know where I stand.
* what was the guy’s name who died in “air-crash” recently the one that had started akamai technologies (evildoers)? anyone remember? somebody google it pls.
what was the guy’s name who died in “air-crash” recently the one that had started akamai technologies (evildoers)? anyone remember? somebody google it pls.
Google does not need to be a US corporation.
Being a US corporation is irrelevant to Google making money.
The shame here is that Google has not moved to the Cayman Islands and the Cook Islands to reduce its tax rate burden to near zero.
Goldman’s Education Scams…
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-08-05/stripper-s-college-degree-profitable-for-goldman-finds-70-000-was-wasted.html
The network engineering problems that most people are seeing with this are just wrong.
What one must understand is that all IP4 or IP6 packets, not to mention several dozen common global network data transfer data packet types — are sucked in, filtered — and sorted in some application level domain for usefulness.
Even domestic phone conversations in the US or UK have a 50% chance of being routed into Canada or Ireland so they can be fully intercepted.
These minor deals made for application level access are interesting, but irrelevant in terms of overall interception operations.
Oddly, there is still privacy — with the global economic downturn — internet uptake in the Western world is going down. So is phone use. Also, those living at Echelon’s edge may have more privacy than those living nearer to its core … so let it be said that a Kiwi in Waikekamoukau will be left alone, but a New Yorker will have hundreds of hours of themselves going to the toilet.
That is how the cookie is deflegrated by explosives.
@ dan
Off topic, now I am sure you be troll!!
let me do your job easy, Cameron slipped his tongue and said Iran has a nuke. But everyone knows it’s a lie. Beside what if they have 10-20. how about shitty little entity with 200 + or US 5K +. what are you afraid of then
@Max and Stacey,
Re: deflationary spiral.
The Fed shares your concerns as well.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/10/business/economy/10fed.html?_r=1&hp
Financial reform won’t make commodity funds safer – http://bit.ly/9fwZgP
One morning I woke up and I was in fuckin comunist China. USA is stincky winky country. I really think that democracy in the USA but also all the western world is being phased out. These bastards aren’t even hiding themselves.
Scroogle
http://www.scroogle.org/
There are 3 causes of hyperinflation: money printing, velocity & dynamic combination of the two. Most analysts only familiar with printing
Velocity is behavioral, almost definitionally endogenous to something. QE+V combo is most dangerous.
M*V=Nominal GDP. Real GDP 50% result must be 46%+ inflation. Weimar 1922
hyperinflation will not arise if deflation persists & inflation expectations remain low. Problem is Bullard type QE
Low taxes, sound money, close zombie banks, reduce regulation, reduce spending. Odds of happening=zero
Reports Iran ready to fuel Bushehr reactor after 09/09 http://bit.ly/bwB2Tt. Israel needs to strike before fuel to avoid radiation leak
Last call for oil & gold if reports of Iran fueling Bushehr are true and if Israel responds as expected. Target end of Ramadan 09/09
What do you call a double-dip where employment between dips got worse and came nowhere near pre-dip levels? A depression
yes catman that would be predictabley… ! Some time ago, I believed there were only 2 types. sheeps and wolves. One day I heard a wise man say there are dolphins too! suddenly I had a group to write to and still gave a fuck about the material
LOL, meat space. Made me think of the movie “Surrogates” with the enhanced Bruce Willis and Radha Mitchell. The term meat bag was used.
AT&T and Verizon need to be broken up into smaller companies to encourage competition.
@ jischinger
@ mae’s fan
thanx for the alt seach engs.
my goo’s been wack since the ’09 july 4th nsa attack
as i have said for many many years now…..Google just like all the other bull$hit sites out there (ie facebook, myspace, twitter) ARE NOTHING MORE THAN just another DOT COMS….the day WILL COME when finally those too will simple die and be forgotten FOREVER !!!!!!!
hey supergeek, glad to see you’re back, this is still the best comment board on ye ‘olde www.
what is droolge spying on exactly, bad credit and worse habits? i know it all boils down to advertising, but soon no one will be buying anything, so it finally comes out that we really do have a permanent file like they used to say in school
@mae — Yes, wouldn’t that be predictably fucked up?
there is some truth in that catastrophist, but what if Julian is a vessel for the wolves?
@geek
who killed the god again? hope you don’t work for IBM geek!
power is not to be concured, it is to be destroyed
“modern servitude”
#1- Verizon, Comcast, AT&T and other network operators, like any other network operator, should be able to throttle services like bittorrent which are detrimental to its userbase as a whole. If a few users on my network were hogging all the bandwidth to the point where others couldn’t do anything, I’d take counter-measures as well. Every responsible business filters content and applies QoS to traffic.
#2- There already are numerous non-public ‘internets’ at much higher speeds than public internet. No one complains about those.
#3- Since when is it a good idea for the FCC, which fines networks for cursing on air, to govern internet traffic? Has FCC regulation had a positive effect on US television and radio?
#4- Author of the first article claims that Youtube may not have existed if Verizon and Google had this deal earlier this decade, conveniently omitting that Google owns Youtube and that that is the only reason such a bandwidth-intensive site has survived as long as it has. No other company could sustain that kind of traffic.
Julian Assange quote-of-the-day:
“People write about things, in general (if it’s not part of their career), because they want to display their values to their peers who are already in the same group. Actually they don’t give a fuck about the material.”
(April 2010, Berkeley J-School)
* did you ever wonder how suddenly you got google earth and space and streetview? there is a ugly world digital world. fortunately wolves are also fighting among themselves.
Anyways head over to http://www.gnu.org and see why that is a big part of the revolution
PS! tiny urls really unnecessary
did you ever wonder how suddenly you got google earth and space and streetview? there is a ugly world digital world. fortunately wolves are also fighting among themselves.
Anyways head over to http://www.gnu.org and see why that is a big part of the revolution
PS! tiny urls really unnecessary
“My idea is that every specific body strives to become master over all space and to extend its force (its will to power) and to thrust back all that resists its extension. But it continually encounters similar efforts on the part of other bodies and ends by coming to an arrangement (“union”) with those of them that are sufficiently related to it: thus they then conspire together for power. And the process goes on….
Nietzsche, from The Will to Power
I have a more accurate Google image:
Google Spies
I just deleted everything google on my computer. Anyone know of any hidden applications that google and the gestapo might have hidden on my computer.
This is going to necessitate the return of disc trading.
Or at least hard drive copying.
Hello “sneaker net”…
@dedo
nice! just the right size to bring down building 7 too
Hawkins has spoken,…..
http://uk.news.yahoo.com/21/20100809/tuk-hawking-humans-must-colonise-space-6323e80.html
@F Google
nice
http://www.startpage.com
it’s not just the younger generation, we all are. I’m here, you are here.
I disagree continue using them but fool them. Besides I promise you they have other ways you cant scape. overload them. but don’t be naive and use their mail doc … BTW Facebook, same story;)
more google fun stuff
Move To Google Village
http://wp.me/p30mf-2p9
Secret Google Presentation Defends Invasive Behavioral Ads
http://tiny.cc/jbbwt
also a handy tool
http://www.wolframalpha.com
@mae’s fanny,….How to make a bomb !,..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKitvyywkG8&feature=related
That’s concentration camp. Before that naturally you will have unfoundable information, censured information. Maybe a rewriting of the english language dictionnary and a rewriting of history books.
Just stop using it,…..simple !
Trouble is…and the PTB know this,….
The younger generation are hooked, which was the intention,…..
every now and then I search for terms ” how to make a bomb” just for the fcuk of it.
by the way HI GOOGLE!! you remembrer muadib?
A great search engine that does not record your info: http://www.startpage.com
@mother
how? and why just from time to time?
Welcome to 1984. First you do the profiling and them you send to the concentration cap. Gestapogoogle. I like the term profiling. Profiling for what and for whom. Fuckin American Nazi Multinationals.
Man can not be free if he does not free himself from time to time
Google = SATAN
@F. Beard
you can use http://www.scroogle.org ixquick.com yebol.com
google is the best because they now most about you and better deliver what you need beside they are backed by US gov therefore better resources.
The best thing you can do is to use their search engine and nothing else but through a proxy that they don’t own and fool them by search for terms you are not interested in too. Make it so that your profiling is false. And you can ask Stacy and mAx to stop using google “analitics”
next to calling Congress blah blah blah you can avoid using google – by using http://www.scroogle.org instead – this wipe out google ad rev. and offers other features – read http://www.scroogle.org/cgi-bin/scraper.htm
If you use chrome and decide you need an altunative browser
http://www.alternativebrowseralliance.com/browsers.html
This is not only a United States problem, it is a global problem.
If this passes in the US, expect it to expand fast into other countries, first and foremost western/european nations.
Stop using google, but, what alternatives are there? I know of Cuil but are there anyone better?
Stacy
Just about EVERY news outlet here sez the FED is about to “QE2″….Any thoughts?
Mike
OK, I emailed the FCC and added some words of my own. God, I hate fascists! Google and Verizon can now bite my donkey, FOREVER!
So what is a good search engine, anyone? Let’s boycott Google good!
They have all gone insane!and their time is nearly up! See their efforts for what they are, the pathetic dying kicks of the dark side. Shed LIGHT on it and they have nowhere to hide.
Compassion sheds the light.
Steve Jobs
January 31, 2010
On Google “We did not enter the search business,” Jobs said according to wired.com from an anonymous employee who was present at Jobs rant. “They entered the phone business. Make no mistake they want to kill the iPhone. We won’t let them, he says. Someone else asks something on a different topic, but there’s no getting Jobs off this rant. I want to go back to that other question first and say one more thing, he says. This don’t be evil mantra: ‘It’s bullshit.’ Audience roars.”
where’s anonymous when you need them?