Stacy Summary: Will the Koch-bots make of Ron Paul’s message to them? The likes of Koch Industries, who organized and financed the Palin/Beck fronted rally, rely on the continued ignorance of the heavy carbon taxes on Americans to finance the increasingly expensive military adventures abroad to secure oil reserves for the likes of their company. So how do you think Koch’s front group will respond? And do you think the Koch Party will fight to remove these taxes on the rest of the population that does not support the corporate welfare scheme for Big Oil?
“As many frustrated Americans who have joined the Tea Party realize, we cannot stand against big government at home while supporting it abroad. We cannot talk about fiscal responsibility while spending trillions on occupying and bullying the rest of the world. We cannot talk about the budget deficit and spiraling domestic spending without looking at the costs of maintaining an American empire of more than 700 military bases in more than 120 foreign countries. We cannot pat ourselves on the back for cutting a few thousand dollars from a nature preserve or an inner-city swimming pool at home while turning a blind eye to a Pentagon budget that nearly equals those of the rest of the world combined.”
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USA Genocidal murderer in Africa PAUL KAGAMÉ.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=20622
United Nation is about to accuse Rwanda’s Paul Kagamé USA runned dictatorship of mass genocides in Congo. Amercan backed genocider. It’s not the first in Africa. USA is the most hypocrital country in the world when it comes to human rights. The second France and bien sûr United Kingdom.
KAGAMÉ is USA Nazi. So it’s quite fine to slaughter 6 million Congolees the las 10 years. The genocide in Rwanda was a good excuse to forget the 6 millions Congoleese massacred by this African USA nazi from Rwanda. Hin and his good friend Bill Clinton.
Rupert Murdoch Tea Party. Sponsored by Salada Tea and Kraft Foods.
Koch-er industries. I presume they make kasher smoked meat ? A little bit of miliatoro-industrial USA-Israel complex ? Indeed. Yummy right wing American retards.
We see the picture. American jewish neo-con wants to keep the bacon coming to replenish his Cayman’s Island bank accounts. Maybe Koch Industries will soon be moving to Dubai with their Haliburton Big Psycopath DIck Cheney and Blackwater’s Erik the Pervert Prince ? The Retard Party.
Bet you not that not ONE of these morons tea patyers can connect the dots ?
@Marc,
You’re quite right about that, this is just the neo-cons morphing into some other form of the so-called ‘moral majority’.
The Tea Party had some promise but it was quickly kidnapped by corporate interests.
Big Oil Gov = State-corporate crime
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State-corporate_crime
http://us.oil-gas.eu
@snoop – yes, the tea party seemed promising in the first few days, but, in fact, it was always a front from the very first day because Koch registered the domains and had the talking points ready and online by the end of the day of Santelli’s trading floor rally: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2009/03/the-santelli-conspiracy/1099/
I wan to live in a country where more than 51% of the leaders feel and speak like Ron Paul and Ralph Nader.
any suggestions?
Sunday video:
http://www.youtube.com/user/britishempires
@jischinger – do you live in the states? many european politicians speak like nader, not so many speak like Ron Paul though; for while they don’t spend big on war / carbon like the US, they do love their centralized power structures
You can always move to Iceland ?
Think you would be safe there and your money would be welcome. Non ?
(government) + ( banks) +( military complex) =( $ national currency$)
I believe a nation needs all 4 variables to thrive. The only nation that has all 4 is the USA.
most all nations have all but one ( military complex) so that is where the USA can justify the cost to society for their intrusions all over the globe.
” Either with US or Against Us” a nation will get help from US military or not. So what choice does anybody have ? who is at fault? should other countries build their own ( military complex) and not rely on the US?
Have you heard of ” Toys R us” well the USA has became a big ” Guns R Us” super global store to the world just like China became ” PLastic R Us” to the world in the last decade as well as Saudi Arabia becoming
” Oil R Us”
If and when WWIII starts I will bet you Many countries will be ” BEst Buddies” with the USA. What choice is there? you’re talking freeking drones
and stuff!
The US has millions of very talented military personnel waiting to join the Military Industrial Complex and there is plenty of government money to pay them.
The MIlitary Industrial Complex is the main domain of the final “Economic and Financial analysis” all other subjects are a subset of it.
It is my opinion that nothing will change unless other Nations are ready and able to stand up for themselves and not rely on the US military.
@Marc Authier Don’t you know it is not moron, but MORAN!
@jischinger Try a parallel universe! Or if you do not have access to one of those butterfly chairs..I hear up north at the water tribe of the Northpole they are trying to reform their Alþingi
Politically, when you think about it, the take over of the tea party was brilliant.
These guys knew some of their sheep would wonder off the farm, especially after Bush failed them on abortion and of course his lack of fiscal responsibility.
Can you imagine what some of them thought when Bush bowed and kissed the Saudi’s ring. I’m sure they felt betrayed.
The GOP handled this situation like a car ‘s cooling system. There will be some fluid left in the reservoir, but most of it will cycle through the radiator again. Where else would the fluid go, it’s trapped.
Unless…. someone punches a hole in the metal or plastic. Though not sure that can be done – this might be bullet proof material and yes, I had some work done on the car this weekend…
These guys were also very smart to keep their mits of the liberty party – so far…
Do you think these people know they are being manipulated?
@Marc Authier Iceland’s on my short list – got any pointers?
Here’s Derek talking about Webbots and 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9oCVE5tT_uI
He’s a very nice guy and means well …
Talks about Gold prices … the webbots etc. start at ca. 8:45.
FWIW
PS: be patient and listen, don’t just discard him as a geek.
@Stacy,
yeah, great shame. Ron Paul’s message seemed to be gaining traction b4 the TParty and it seems like the Tea Party was a nice way for the neo-cons to divide and conquer those who might be swayed by the likes of Ron Paul.
Anyway, here in Australia, we still don’t know who is governing after the election and we’ve never had it so good lol.
BIG OIL GOV googled: http://u.nu/6gbze (USwolfWatchers.com)
@stacy
I like Ron Paul cause he’s an anomaly – he doesn’t fit into the current GOP mold – and what I like most about him is he’s honest – least that’s the perception I have of him. He doesn’t hide the fact that even though he’s against tax payer funded health care he accepts tax payer funded health care for himself and his family.
So his hypocrisy is at least, practical…
He’s also made a number of statements that were, umm, best I could describe them… Christianlike – in housing and jobs his thinking was more like Naders. In the beginning, that is, he understands that people need time to ween off the system. He actually regards people as human beings, most fiscally conservative republicans (FCR) don’t. They view all people wearing boot straps and I think most, if given the opportunity, would be dishonest and cheat.
I think that’s why FCRs admire bankers who get away with robbery, even if they have to buy the laws to do it. I think a good number of them would do the same if they could.
I remember a crowd of FCRs talking about the Bush tax cuts way back when – “Better get back what you can from the government while you can…”
was the mantra. There’s no honor in that. I think their leader is Rush.
…..
I’d like living in Europe, but my largest concern would be employment.
I found a great book at the Used bookstore the other day.
“Europe on $5 a day.”
I think Americans are going to have to come up with a new paradigm for global hopping. I never quite understood why it’s okay for business in the US to outsource our jobs and yet we can’t outsource ourselves just as easily.
Would be a fun and interesting to find ways to do this and make a film about it!
Ron Paul 2012…..he will need to get funding from every country that America has a base in….cause with the new corporate individual nonsense the oligarchs will bury him in advertising .
I like Webster Tarpley but his problem is that he doesn’t fully understand the internet and its effect on the concept of infrastructure. his comparisons of the past are note worthy but need to be considered with the effects of the WWW. The idea of physicality is becoming irrelevant because people are addicted to cyber space. It goes hand in hand with voodoo economics – CDS’s and CDO’s stuff that doesn’t exist until your left job, homeless and totally blamed by the neo-fascist sociopaths who now not only infest banks but the main media.
Koch = the usual – big money being used to create useful idiots to do your filth for you.
@ Stacy
“…for while they don’t spend big on war / carbon like the US, they do love their centralized power structures”.
1963 – seizure of the globalization trend:
Since European policy making was hijacked by American political-economic extremists navigated by energy fundamentalists in 1963 (Gasgate), “they” are FORCED to follow the Zionazis.
http://europeanUnity.eu
@jischinger ….I think Ron Paul has to play to the masses he cant alienate anyone at this point cause its about freedom not agendas or single issues…..does he have religious beliefs????? Im willing to ignore that for the more important issues.
How to fuck the US “Bombs-R-Us” scumbags:
http://gasroot.com
interesting. http://www.naturalnews.com/029596_vaccines_narcolepsy.html
get at the core:
it’s Exxon’s industrial dominance and pressure
http://Enron.complexxon.org
BIGOIL.GOV
The Truth About Markets USA – August 28 2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcKR9SLVaHQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMrWlje7Kws
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMwMG8LCW9Y
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KUTAmiKmmw
@dan valley I think he regards himself as a Christian, he is against abortion.
That’s where the democrats really beat him up and why most democrats reject him. It’s also one of the few reasons he is liked by the GOP.
Which is irony all around cause he is also against the wars. One would think both parties would overlook his stand on abortion and the war for the lives of the troops.
Other than that, I think democrats would agree with a good number of his ideas and policies; as has Rep Garyson, Sen Bernie Sanders and Michael Moore.
I don’t think he has a dogs chance in winning in 2012 – If he ran as an independent he’d surely siphon votes away from the GOP, but I don’t think he’ll do that. Plus he will be 77 in 2012.
I voted for him in the 2008GOP primary – first time I ever voted for a Republican.
More wisdom from Paul.
And more wisdom from Paul (for Stacy): http://www.ronpaul.com/on-the-issues/global-warming/
What we have on the BBC website top left of front news page
‘Arrest over cricket betting scam’
You have to look to find the real UK story – neo-fascists in Bradford attacking Asians who have lived there for decades.
So BBC how about: arrest of CEO’s of major banking cartel for world wide scam of galactic order via derivatives and hft manipulation accounting scams, corrupt rating agencies and regulators in the pockets of the politicians and banksters.
Tell me BBC who gives a flying fuck about cricket in the wider community other than the nob heads who seem to think this is headline news at the bbc ?
Who cares about understanding the no-ball law . How about no blabbing meaningless bollocks law bbc ?
btw, it was only 1600 years and 5 days since the Visigoths led by Alaric entered Rome (August 24, 410 A.D.) It only seems like yesterday and I never imagined Rome would fall, but there you go! Turns out that the Eastern empire that they set up in Constantinople lasted longer than the Western one.
Stace: Just direct them to my favorite cowpoke’s blog, he’s firing on all cylinders today:
[A man is nothing else but what he makes of himself! --Jean-Paul Sartre
Saturday, August 28, 2010
'I Decline to Accept the End of Man'
by Len Hart, the Existentialist Cowboy
We look back at New Orleans recalling Katrina and more recently the reckless disregard shown the Gulf of Mexico by BP, a 'person' by SCOTUS reckoning. BP, of course, proved SCOTUS to be as wrong as they are stupid by going unpunished. That --of course --is the difference. That is why 'corporations' are not people and will never be people. People are charged, arrested and tried for crimes. Corporations have been put above the law. To call them 'people' is beyond stupid; it is unconscionable.]
Go read the rest at the Existentialist Cowboy.
[ dan valley
Aug 29, 2010 at 12:33 pm
Ron Paul 2012…..he will need to get funding from every country that America has a base in….cause with the new corporate individual nonsense the oligarchs will bury him in advertising .]
Why, so he can run back to Texas again when the going gets tough, with another bundle of cash from nincompoops thinking a Republican or Democrat will CHANGE anything?
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Go Ron Paul! Ron is a compassionate libertarian. Yes, he wants to downsize government but not by throwing old people into the streets. As for abortion, Ron Paul would leave that up to the states. Eventually, the controversy would go away as the high abortion states aborted themselves to extinction.
I hope RP is not for a government backed gold standard but I’ll risk that he can be persuaded to allow more sophisticated monies such as common stock.
Go Ron Paul! Ron is a compassionate libertarian. Yes, he wants to downsize government but not by throwing old people into the streets. As for abortion, Ron Paul would leave that up to the states.
I hope RP is not for a government backed gold standard but I’ll risk that he can be persuaded to allow more sophisticated monies such as common stock.
Where is TAM USA in the rss feed?
OT again but in someway related. The quasi-Keynesians who say govt should do stimulus have got it all completely wrong. It shouldn’t be govt spending vs private spending. It should be imo the difference between small business spending and big business spending. If there is such synchronicity in the world economy that it can collapse all at once due to a bunch of fraudsters in Wall St, the problem then is that small business probably doesn’t have equal rights to big business. and that’s obviously the case. and of course no business should have human rights.
I noted your comments on the Glenn Beck Rally. I happened to be on the streets of D.C. as the rally was breaking up. I watched the faces of those leaving the event, you know, sort of like the way you watch people coming out of a movie before you head in, to see what reaction people have on thier faces, happy, sad, etc.
The Glen Beck crowd looked totally bored. No one was pumped up. No one was moved to cry. There was no camaraderie among the attendees. Nothing, zero. I could tell for sure Ron Paul and Tom Woods weren’t speaking at this event. If I saw these faces walking out of a movie theatre showing, I would bet the movie would prove to be a total bust. from http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/64526.html
@F Beard,
I have heard Ron Paul is for a silver and gold standard as written in the Constitution, but I have also heard him say there should be competing currencies with people making their own units of money in what ever form they want, which is happening in the US to some small degree and is also totally legal, however, the Fed has made it illegal not to accept their currency for goods and services and their currency holds sway over all others simply by the use of force.
I listened to Prof. Niall Ferguson make a speech the other day and he was talking about the Ottoman Empire default in ~1880s to 90s. Most people used gold and silver at that time and the govt tried to force them into using their paper currency but no one was really convinced so it didn’t take hold, and the govt simply could not pay back its debts to European powers who then were weary of having anything to do with them monetarily. This may have contributed somewhat to the long Depression of 1870-1890s. This was obviously the height of the Ottoman Empire and by 1918 it no longer existed.
*the end of 1918… sorry!
@ F Beard
and thanks for posting that link to Lew Rockwell
@snoop diddy,
Your welcome.
My favorite alternative money is common stock for a variety of reasons but the chief one is that it does away with the need for borrowing and lending money. However, the capital gains tax on common stock puts it at a disadvantage with respect to FRNs.
Also, the difficulty with alternative currencies in general is that the IRS sees them as an attempt to avoid income tax. For that reason, I believe the Income Tax has to be abolished too.
@F Beard,
Yeah, that’d help some of the discrepancies between the rights of big business and small business too. what do you think should replce it, any ideas?
We have a goods and services tax here in australia as well as income tax and a whole myriad of other taxes. It seems to be the brave smokers who cop it most, they’ll die younger and quicker and yet they pay the most tax lol. We also have the problem that govt thinks it should be buying votes with new benefits to mask the real inflation to wage rate which only goes on to increase the inflation rate.
Israel preparing for war with Iran ?
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=196377
@ jischinger and Stcay’s conception that Europe is to dependent upon large centralized governance
The Democratic party members that I know don’t regect Ron Paul because of Abortion they regect him becasuse of the complexity of society and just its current sheer size makes his ideas laughable…yes let’s decentralize, but when I say it I know perfectly well that the current lifestyles will be rolled back drastically…I know that locally controled democratic lead councils/boards will not grant me international telecommunication, international flights nor will I be eating Chilean Clams in Ohio, also I know localized power won’t be devoid of corruption, anyone ever have any dealings with their HOAs (Home owner association) can tell you what happens when power is granted to people, they can become hyper petty and beligerant.
The average IDIOT who rejects Ron Paul and most Libertarian wants to walk into his McDonalds and wants to eat his Big Mac and Fries knowing it won’t poison him/her…he/she wants to know his blood pressure medicine works and just wasn’t pushed to market to turn a quick buck…that when she/he goes to bed at night the drywall above his bed won’t come tumbling down….that is right folks the GUVMINT is so vile they told me as a carpenter/contractor that my screw pattern on each drywall board had to be 8 inches on the edge and 16 inches in the field….thooose BASTARDS….they even have the audacity to tell “ME” the PSI ratings on the concrete I pour, the number of rebar spread and its width….Jesus the Stazis will even could fail me on an inspection if my deadbolt throw can’t fully cycle….come on my family is only been in these trades since America’s Civil War buncha NAZI buggers…but any time this STOOOOOPID idea came into my head just would rember the million stories of my uncles and grandpas….about being on sites as the owner of the company demanded his workers mix the concrete with sea water and reading about the pier collapsing killing a local family couple years later
so that is why the Guvmint is sooooooo big, because our socity has evolved to that level of complexity….yes we can and should roll back the Empire and the more vulgar aspects of internal policies….but that ain’t gonna happen….the Machine is there to capture markets and resources and control them, whether they be Oil of Folks
That’s the problem with the Constitutionalists. Going back to the Constitution is like going back to the Bible. So who’s Biblical interpretations are we to follow? Oliver Cromwell’s or Mother Theresa’s? I’ll go back to Ron Paul’s Constitution, but I won’t go back to Sarah Palin’s Constitution. Any sentence can be twisted to make it mean what you want it to mean. So it’s the man, not the words.
what do you think should replce it, any ideas? snoop diddy
Well, you know the government will get its cut, one way or another. So the problem is how can that be done without damage or distortion to the private sector? So an idea that occurred to me from “Render to Caesar, what is Caesar’s …” (Matthew 22:21) is that government money should only be legal tender for government debts and that the private sector should be allowed to develop alternative moneys with floating exchange rates amongst them and between government money. So, without a government backed counterfeiting cartel to borrow from, corporations would be forced to issue new common stock to acquire assets and labor. This would lead to a true capitalist society with the economies of scale that corporations give yet without the concentration of wealth and power in the hands of a few.
PLEASE FORGIVE TYPOES!!!!! the computer at work really messes up everything I post
@F Beard,
thanks, sounds good, I’ll meditate on it
time for me go sleepy byes, seeyas
“Will the Koch-bots make of Ron Paul’s message to them?”
Easiest call of the year. He will be ignored or ridiculed.
Debt on arrival?
Now visitors from non visa countries will have to pay 14 usd for the privilege of submitting a bodyscan, fingerprint scan and mugshot..
Explanation comes from Homeland Security!
4 usd to run the program
10 usd to promote the US
http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/business/2010/08/26/qmb.holiday.stings.cnn
380.000.000 usd income generated for the us..
“You know wher the money goes” (into our pockets)
“I payed 50 usd in Zimbabwe” (good comparison)
The US is becomming a paupaer nation with pauper nation behaviour..
China will collapse
The US is becomming a paupaer nation with pauper nation behaviour.. Mother Earth
The US is a bully and as a result is a coward.
The wicked flee when no one is pursuing, but the righteous are bold as a lion. Proverbs 28:1
@stacy
it was always a front from the very first day because Koch registered the domains and had the talking points ready and online by the end of the day of Santelli’s trading floor rally:
Wow – I might bet that most Americans haven’t heard that from the former mainstream media.
Do you see guys and gals – we’ve got to go deeper, always deeper asking cui bono? Most of the people we see or hear are frontmen and women – maybe even Paul and yes even Obama.
What if all these people – Palin, Kennedy, Paul, Nader, Brzezinski, Blair, Putin, Castro, Tse Tung, Stalin, Hitler, Rockefeller, Huxley et al are really just chess pieces?
And guess what chess pieces we are?
But who are the chessmaster(s)? Brzezinski, Quigley, Huxley, Sutton, to name a few, have written many books and articles that might give us some insight.
In the end, do we really care to expend all our good energy to find out?
We are not powerless. We can start our own systems – Catherine Austin Fitts ( I see Stacy & Max have some of her ideas posted ) has a plan.
And even better, maybe some of us can come up with our own plans.
@charles – caught some of what you said, but let me assure you the Libertarians I know don’t eat at McDonalds or Burger King.
In no way am I here in general support for Koch Industries, but it’s quite possibly the Koch support to Tea Party functions that has kept the movement from succumbing to NeoCon domination and allowed it to continue growing while largely remaining focused on its original aims. Koch, like anyone in the oil industry has benefitted a great deal from corporate welfare, but he is not a corporatist and does what he can to fight corporate welfare [across the board, including welfare for big oil]. The big picture is grey. Look at Ross Perot. Ross is a guy who made his fortune on government contracts, but had he been elected President, the likes of Enron, Halliburton, and Blackwater would never have become household names. The Tea Party is as much of a Koch front group as MaxKeiser is Russian or Iranian.
@ jischinger
my message gobbled at work….the point was that Libertarian philophies don’t sell in America when people actually encounter them…the average American needs, desires, wants a massive government machine to make sure that the bad food and sugar water that it feeds itself is safe and not toxic, because some guy is cutting his faux meat mix with talc to save money
trust me where you don’t have government oversight… say in the crystal meth biddness, those folks will cut it with baby laxative if your lucky to turn a buck
@Stacy
All due respect Stacy, but the tea parties were around long before Rick Santelli’s rant and long before Koch and his websites.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9F0V89hUGk
When is the last time you and Max were actually in America?
Any real Tea Partier has one goal – Abolishing the Federal Reserve and ending fractional reserve lending.
@joevolcano – well I don’t doubt that fellow Texans, the Koch brothers, were inspired by Ron Paul, whose followers dressed in Revolutionary clothing in honor of his book; but look at those placards mostly against wars, gitmo, war on iran, don’t taze me bro, patriot act, neocons . . . show me one sign that the Palin/Beck Koch party members care about these things?
@leobrady – yes, we are not powerless, why so many people think they are is beyond me
@John Robb – eh? the Tea Party not succumbing to neocons? who exactly do you think Murdoch is? He is a preeminent neo-con.
@Stacy
I agree with you. It’s the Doch-bots that are spoling the Tea Party, and it’s the Doch-bots who are not likely to embrace the Ron Paul foreign policy message. I’ve yet to see definitive evidence that “Koch” is interchangeable with “Murdoch”. Perhaps it is, and I can think of many slimy things to say about Koch, but I don’t yet accept Koch as a NeoCon. I’m open to that possibility, but I’m not yet totally convinced. The Koch influence might be ultimately neutral and in the long run be helping to actually keep the NeoCons at bay. It’s funny about Ron Paul. He hasn’t fully embraced the current day Tea Party. He is gracious toward it, as he should be. The NeoCons hate his Campaign for Liberty and keep it from the spotlight as they pump funding and attention toward the Tea Party. The NeoCons hate Michele Bachmann and pump funding and attention toward Sarah Palin. The ONLY interesting news that will come out of the Tea Party Sphere in the near future will be Michele Bachmann’s [and Rand Paul's] response to Ron Paul’s current foreign policy message. If Bachmann responds favorably the Tea Party thing will be better for it and continue to grow. If Bachmann reacts negatively, the Tea Party thing will be inexorably split, fall apart, and die. Good, timely move by Ron Paul.
I am reminded of Ron’s friend, Ralph Nader. Ralph was endorsed and supported by the Geen Party, but he never became a member.