Keiser Report: Flaming Banks, Burned-Out Economy

Posted on September 17, 2011 by stacyherbert| 248 Comments

Stacy Summary: We interview Aaron Krowne of ML-Implode.com

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248 Responses to Keiser Report: Flaming Banks, Burned-Out Economy

  3. Skater | September 17, 2011 at 4:47 pm |

    I don’t feel good about USA getting all that debt for free. It’s stealing.
    People can’t get away with it, unless they are 300 million of them, with military bases all over the world?
    If Greece was asked to surrender some Islands, what about the US? It was all stolen land to begin with. Sell your mineral and oil resources to those that hold the debt. Get a real job, and start over.

  6. snoop diddy | September 17, 2011 at 4:52 pm |

    Corporations Are Stealing Pension Funds – Dylan Ratigan Show – 9/15/2011
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKJyT_GDKmw

  8. Youri Carma | September 17, 2011 at 5:05 pm |

    China’s Wen pledges to step up inflation fight

    ahahaahahaahahahaah ! They’ve been saying that for at least a year now but the truth is they can do nothing about it without appreciating the yuan which they don’t wonna do now for some reason in this point in time.

    Funny thing is that the world economy is cooling which put somewhat of a damper on inflation (while still amazingly high regarding the circumstances) they clame success.

    It’s stagflation stup!

  10. KDT | September 17, 2011 at 5:09 pm |

    http://yourlife.usatoday.com/parenting-family/special-needs/story/2011-09-17/ADHD-doubles-a-childs-risk-of-injury/50435398/1
    the gov just went out and asked parents of kids ENTERING grade school and told them, based on that load of crap that there kids are special needs and if they do not drugthem they will hurt them selves ,evedently kids who run around alot have a higher injory rate than avg. WHO WOULD HAVE FUCKING THOUGHT wow running and playing we cant have any of that going on DRUG THERE ASS ,ADHD is bull shit and if any one tells you to drug your kid punch there god damn lights out there trying to CREATE addicts RIDDLIN prevents active harder to handle kids from ADAPTING from LEARNING and makes them WORSE if ther not taken off at puberty riddlin is a brain stim in a child there mind starts to run so fast that they will just sit there like a fucking zombie wile there brains are running around the in side of there skulls screeeming god knows what, BUT at puberty this activity becomes externalized and the bullshit diagnosis gets worse. my dad and i have the same isues (what a shock)in the 3rd grade he was worse than me , he receved no medical help and is just fine, i am not. thank you big pharma, good job!!!!!! DONT drug YOUR kidds THEY will THANK you LATER

  11. Haole | September 17, 2011 at 5:11 pm |

    Great stuff M & S!

  13. patricia | September 17, 2011 at 5:25 pm |

    Max and Stephanie,

    Thank you for saying what we the people really think of these banksters. This mess is so huge that there are not enough trillions to repair the mess. Remember when Lehman fell, the news would talk about credit default swaps and then it dissappeared only to rear its ugly head on europe. These banks are full of toxic assets that people forget (based on CBO #s) credit default swaps totaled somewhere around 400 trillion dollars. Now we are seeing the result !!!! Max, you are a true journalist and absolutely brilliant. We need people like you on our news channels telling americans how they are being raped by the banking industry. Kudos to you and your show for being the light at the end of the tunnel!!!!!
    Pina

  14. Jayme | September 17, 2011 at 5:30 pm |

    The legal disclaimer at the bottom of his website shows that Aaron Krowne is in the thick of it. We are in need of some serious house cleaning before any system is going to be able to operate again. It barely looks like we are entering a phase of discussion about investigation. The fact that all these law suits are used as a tactic to wear people down shows how monied interests will continue to be successful until pressure begins seriously popping the rivets of the system. When that happens, money will turn on money and economic implosion will be swift – imo. It’s a shame that money buys protection of a corrupt system against reform.

  15. Sandra | September 17, 2011 at 5:35 pm |

    Greek Prime Minister turns around en route to UN and IMF meetings in US and returns to Greece !!!

    Hold on to your hats guys. SHTF pt I imminent?

    http://www.buffalonews.com/wire-feeds/24-hour-national-news/article559839.ece

  16. stacyherbert | September 17, 2011 at 5:40 pm |

    @patricia – thanks, from Stephanie

  17. snoop diddy | September 17, 2011 at 5:47 pm |

    is that you Tracy? :-P

  18. Bonn | September 17, 2011 at 5:51 pm |

    @ Youri C
    @ Stacy & Max
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvNEVvHgOOY&feature=relmfu
    Setting History Free: Graham Hancock & David Wilcock
    ********** A MUST WATCH *************
    LOLZ
    HIC ;-) :-)

  19. jischinger | September 17, 2011 at 6:00 pm |

    time to start a new art project called Stay’s shirts

  20. jischinger | September 17, 2011 at 6:04 pm |

    be careful of Glenn Beck he’ll steal your ideas

    Beck is a sinner narcissist he believes he will be a god in the afterlife

  22. Ame-Rican | September 17, 2011 at 6:06 pm |

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/KL16Df01.html
    Western Banks Launder Afghan Opium Dollars.
    Huh!! Yeah!!Good Lord!! What are we Fighting For? Say it again!!!

  23. jischinger | September 17, 2011 at 6:07 pm |

    This art project is still updating – you can get involved
    http://financialterrorists.org

  25. Bonn | September 17, 2011 at 6:17 pm |

    @ Youri C
    Watch that last link of mine ….Fook …….they have video footage of a city of the Coast of Yonaguni ……fook its Huge Rock carved ….Fookin Even bigger then Baalbeck Ruins I think ……..Till now I only saw Still Pictures of that site ….the video starts at 51 minutes or so……..
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvNEVvHgOOY&feature=relmfu
    MAn I gotta pat meself on me back fer this one again…….
    Wheres me noble Prize on Journalism ?????……is there such a thang……
    LMAO
    PMSL
    Hic ;-)

  26. Ame-Rican | September 17, 2011 at 6:17 pm |

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dR3EZq1TKU8&feature=related
    Ain’t just the tally-ban. Everyone has a bankster.
    My point is that when a soveign nation kills people in our streets-London, Paris, Cinncinati, Boston, Rome, jeez…. then it is our De Facto Enemy and must be anhiliated!

    Help ‘Em???

  27. Youri Carma | September 17, 2011 at 6:18 pm |

    Meeting of failure (google trans from German)

    ORG: http://info.kopp-verlag.de/hintergruende/europa/michael-grandt/treffen-der-versager.html;jsessionid=CF20EE4E546F696D1AE30637C46E07F9

    - The debt crisis is ever widening circles

    - Large countries such as Italy and Spain are also close to financial meltdown

    - European banks are under increasing pressure because their bond holdings lose much of their value

    - Banks lend to each other again no more money

    - More and more banks are downgraded by rating agencies

    - Unemployment in the EU remains partially or rises

    - The global lender confidence in the monetary union are increasingly disappearing

    - Greece stands before the final bankruptcy

    - The growth in the euro zone will come according to forecasts by the World Bank at the end to a standstill

    - The Euro continues to lose value

    - The debt of the states from taking more and more instead

    - The stock market fall more than ever

    - The ECB buys more bonds de facto bankrupt states, thereby jeopardizing its own stability

    - Inflation is rising

    - The bailouts are getting bigger (the debt be fought with even more debt)

    - The discontent among the population grows

    - More and more social unrest because of EU policy

    - The people more and more impoverished

  29. Bonn | September 17, 2011 at 6:38 pm |

    The Earth is Gonnna Fookin Expand or Somethin …….in 2012
    lolz
    Hic ;-)

  30. Gordo | September 17, 2011 at 6:43 pm |

    “@patricia – thanks, from Stephanie”

    Who the heck is Stephanie? Was that an impostor on the program today? ;-)

  31. Youri Carma | September 17, 2011 at 6:49 pm |

    @Bonn

    TnX for the links watch them all later. First have to get me some good smoke cause I am all hyped up now http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LUvzzEtNevY

    Best cigar I ever smoked in my life rolled by this lady http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v393/youricarma/Miscellaneous/RealCuban.jpg

    But of course I am talking about somtin more ….. let’s say more substance to it aside of the taste wink wink ;)

  32. Evolutis | September 17, 2011 at 7:07 pm |

    “BUCK SEXTON”!!?? LOL, u got to luv it! … to shameless commerce and beyond

  33. alex schaefer | September 17, 2011 at 7:08 pm |

    What a great show! How exciting to really spur some great discussion!!! I think the best positive comment I got on Glen Beck’s sight was someone pointing out that by selling the painting I created to Germany I actually reduced the trade deficit by $25,200 which is more than the politicians in DC have done in years! good point! I’ll gonna keep painting…

  34. Anonymous Greek | September 17, 2011 at 7:35 pm |

    Get your facts straight about Greece, you people in the US:
    The Greek government got 25 times more loans in the past 10 years, than it ever needed to finance its economy and 80% of the soon to be 400 billion euro debt, ie 320 billion, is 10 years worth of compound interest! Only 80 billion euro is said to be the principal. (Source: Dimitris Kazakis) These loans are mainly the results of past obscure decisions and secret loans signed by former financial ministers and their associates, all of them at some point former IMF, World Bank, GS or JP employees! It started with Simitis’ government, continued with Karamanlis and peaked with the glorious government of George Papandreou Jr!

    GS and JP are the main creditors of these loans, that were given initially at ZIRP, just like hooking kids with free hard drugs. While the principal was slowly accumulating, they offered more and more ZIRP loans, with a fair fee to show their appreciation to whoever signed them! When the principal was high enough, guess what: These banks raised their interest rates, offering more loans after a while, just to allow the Greek government to pay the compounding interest and maybe some of the principal. That was it: The the trap was sprung and poor Greece was hooked to debt. Then the real business begun: Former financial minister Alogoskoufis is accused by New Democracy MP, Panos Kamenos, to be the person responsible of issuing several multibillion euro secret bonds to these two banks, which aren’t even calculated in the Greek Debt business! They are some extra petty cash for GS and/or JP! The justice system never intervened, thus suggesting that the banks’ power grip in Greece is enormous.

    Why did they ever do that, you might say? Through debt, they literally got a country for free.Well, scr*w the country, they got its natural resources, islands and monopolies.

    An example: did you ever know that GS is now the proud major stockholder of the gold mines located in Northern Greece, via subsidiaries! Businessman Bobolas is the minor stockholder in this arrangement. This was revealed 2 days ago inside the Greek parliament by a very reliable source, KKE MP and journalist Liana Kaneli, when she asked for how on earth this was allowed to happen. No answer was ever given of course. GS now has it own gold mines! Its like Monopoly!

    You see it’s not only Greeks getting hooked to a heavy public sector (ie “your vote for a place in a Ministry” kind of thing) and luxurious lifestyles for all based on debt, like the big media propaganda machine says. Look at the games played by the banksters themselves and you will get the bigger picture.

    PS. A gift: Just in: George Papandreou’s plane was just turned back during his voyage to the States, flying from the UK where he went for ECOFIN! Maybe Tim G. didn’t want to meet him, as he disapproves the evil European ways, says the gossip by some evil people. Others say that #2 Vaggelis Venizelos called him on board and said that Greeks are really really really angry about the government’s devious decision to incorporate a big emergency housing tax (emergency tax #6 for this year) in the bimonthly DEI power bill (i.e. a “pay up or live in the dark forever serf”, kind of thing!) Others say that things are not well in Germany and Angela is angry with George… Panic! Rumors: Are they defaulting? Run! Sell! Oh, I forgot, the server farm just made a trillion transactions in 42ms. It doesn’t need me.

    Big secret: live in Greece and you know its a done deal. There is no money here, not even for food, let alone Venizelos’ taxes or even medicine. Everything literally goes to the banksters. This is a heist! Our money or our lives! Actually, both.

  36. Jayme | September 17, 2011 at 8:13 pm |

    “…by selling the painting I created to Germany I actually reduced the trade deficit by $25,200 which is more than the politicians in DC have done in years! good point! ”

    A HAHAHA – good on you Alex! :-)

  37. JonnyJames | September 17, 2011 at 8:45 pm |

    Zelikow Appointed to Obama’s Intelligence Advisory Board
    http://www.virginia.edu/uvatoday/newsRelease.php?id=15988

    Bush Jr. and Condi’s buddy Zelikow, the 9/11 commission head. What a great guy.

  38. alfazedz | September 17, 2011 at 8:47 pm |

    Wow, Alex Schaefer needs to do a painting of Stacy Herbert on fire. Great episode of KR once again. And Max, what a great guest was Aaron Krowne. I’m going to share this episode with my folks who get their news only from MSM.
    Thanks, Y’all.
    Hey, that reminds me; Max, are you saying “Bye, Y’all.” or “Buy, Y’all.”?

  39. F. Beard | September 17, 2011 at 8:54 pm |

    @”Desert Flower”,
    Nice hair style.

    And yes we don’t have genuine capitalism, we have banker fascism – “of, by and for the banks”.

  40. don middleton | September 17, 2011 at 9:06 pm |

    @Bonn, that link is a compendium of years of my looking into the past.
    So we had an iceage, and before perhaps a hightech civilization on earth.
    Mars seems to have undergone a catastrophe .
    Geologists do not know how plate techtonics started. See born in fire.
    Add those up and it is likely that Veliskovsy is right (see when worlds collide).
    Somewhat around 12 to 13 k years ago, the planet venus was an asteroid that came into our solar system and messed up stuff before getting captured into it’s present orbit.

    Why is venus so young looking, why does it rotate opposite to all the other planets?

  41. Danny Cunnington | September 17, 2011 at 9:12 pm |

    @Alex Schaffer, you paint we will burn. The SLA is also as mad as hell and we won’t take it no more!

  42. F. Beard | September 17, 2011 at 9:20 pm |

    Very impressive guest – Aaron Krowne. I’ve bookmarked his site.

  43. F. Beard | September 17, 2011 at 9:24 pm |

    @dm4,

    Ever read J. P. Hogan, the science fiction writer?

  44. MirrorMirror | September 17, 2011 at 9:31 pm |

    @Anonymous Greek … Well said & I agree.

    Why don’t you get an interview with M&S ?

    BTW .. most of us “here” ( I guess ) are well aware of the points you made.

  45. Steve_D | September 17, 2011 at 9:34 pm |

    Hey Bonn that video was amazing, many thanks.

  46. davem | September 17, 2011 at 9:35 pm |

    From the New Statesman:
    “The history of this latest phase in the global financial crisis is written in gold. Only when the metal begins its fall will we know that sanity has returned to the markets and we are on the path to recovery.”
    http://www.newstatesman.com/economy/2011/08/gold-bubble-price-financial

  47. MirrorMirror | September 17, 2011 at 9:47 pm |

    @davem

    …
    … In the long term, I’m with Soros. The gold bubble will burst, and when it does – as with all bubbles – we will look back on these days of $1,850 per ounce as a kind of collective madness. …
    …
    …
    When the financial storm subsides, we will see gold again for what it is – a pretty, expensive, rather useless metal. Just as it was a return to old-fashioned financial analysis that showed us that the loss-making tech stocks we had bid up to ridiculous levels in the late 1990s were worthless, it is only when we divest gold of its cultural and historical baggage that it will return to fair value. Let us attempt to strip gold of its aura with some cold facts.

    Tell him I’d love to be able to buy more Gold below 600$.
    Sounds like a paper-bug … and misses the point completely … obviously doesn’t realize the bubble is DEBT and not anything else.

    Of course, Gold is just the “core asset” … other prices will rise once the liars ( politicians and WS ) spill the beans ( via a crash, not willingly ).

  48. MirrorMirror | September 17, 2011 at 9:50 pm |

    PS@TheNewStatesman

    Maybe the author can explain why Gold has been in a bubble for the last 100 years ?
    ;-)

    1900 Gold @ &20
    2011 Gold @ $2000

  49. don middleton | September 17, 2011 at 9:51 pm |

    @Beard, i can’t recall, i’ve read so much that it’s all a blur in my 56 year old memory.
    But what i can surmise is: to keep order, the boyz in control will maintain a story that portrays an endless stability.
    And that story, in the monetary regime, is getting a bit frazzled. I believe that the boyz can prolong the story for quite some time. You might recall that i said, on mish’es board many years ago, that at some point all the central bamks would absorb all the bad debt of all the resident banking filth……then, the SDR would be introduced and at the same time all the bad debt held by the CBs would be written off into the merged IMF and World Bank…….and then the SDR would plunge in value.

    Seems that timetable is still operating…..where is the old money?

  50. Evolutis | September 17, 2011 at 9:57 pm |

    Thanks Max and Stacy so many whistle blowers so little reward. …We monetize every damn thing. If the owl and the pussycat were to have a conversation about us and all our economic, obscenities, they would most certainly identify us with the predictable, monetary religion. Is there something obscene about our identity? Identities occupy the habitual subconscious. “People can never have a fruitful argument about something that’s part of their identity.“ The owl and the pussycat, scoff at our self imposed, stupidity…a pair of judgemental, self righteous, bastards; so smug in their sustainable, relationship with nature.

  51. F. Beard | September 17, 2011 at 10:01 pm |

    Seems that timetable is still operating…..where is the old money? dm4

    In gold, waiting (and lobbying) for it to be remonetized? Or in tax free gilts, earning a risk-free return with the tax-man collecting the interest for them?

  52. jimmy chen | September 17, 2011 at 10:07 pm |

    @MAX

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    HERRO HOPE GOOD DAY!

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    AND

    STEWART THOMSON,
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  53. Apocalypto | September 17, 2011 at 10:13 pm |

    Russian Oligarchs fighting on live TV

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=6d6_1316265288

  54. don middleton | September 17, 2011 at 10:13 pm |

    @evolutis……each hu_man has an idea about work’s worth. The informational framework of our “modern” age ensures that a few hu_mans skim from the rest.
    The root is old money. Anger is good but can you direct it to the right place?

  55. susan | September 17, 2011 at 10:15 pm |

    Alex Schaefer is Ron Paul in glasses

  56. F. Beard | September 17, 2011 at 10:19 pm |

    The root is old money. dm4

    The root is an old form of money – a non-performing, non-democratic form that requires usury to generate a return.

  57. Mark | September 17, 2011 at 10:22 pm |

    Hate to break it to you Stacey, but this IS capitalism. Corruption and the formation of oligarchies are the inevitable consequence of capitalism’s internal logic. Don’t believe me? Go back and read your Marx. I recommend Part 8 of Capital Volume 1, ‘So-Called Primitive Accumulation’. Or, for something more recent, read E.M. Wood’s short book The Origin of Capitalism.

  58. don middleton | September 17, 2011 at 10:23 pm |

    @Beard…………so sad. Obvious by now, no new monetary paradigm will be allowed.
    People could have forced a rent on the land, but somehow didn’t…..score 1 for the boyz.
    People could have taxed machines, but didn’t……….score 2 for the boyz.
    World trade is for the boyz………score 3.
    Do you own an hft? Sorry, your work is defunct.

  59. F. Beard | September 17, 2011 at 10:32 pm |

    Obvious by now, no new monetary paradigm will be allowed. dm4

    Well, if we are heading into GD II then enough heat may be generated so that folks see the light. It’s still a bit early.

  60. Flopot | September 17, 2011 at 10:42 pm |

    Thankyou for another great KR!

  61. acudoc | September 17, 2011 at 10:44 pm |

    @Mark—can’t agree with you. Capitalism (the private ownership of the productive capacity) is hardly the state of affairs in today’s world. I would describe our system as privileged corporatism, (or as Max calls it “rigged market capitalism”) with its unhealthy admixture of State involvement; and, as money can also be considered a part of the productive capacity, most definitely not capitalism in the arena of money issuance, as there is not private ownership of money at all: “money” appears and disappears at the whim of the government and the banking cartel, and only when we sign promissory notes.

    How do you reconcile your views with the abject failure of the central planning catastrophes of Russia and China?

  62. Flopot | September 17, 2011 at 10:46 pm |

    @JonnyJames

    “Zelikow Appointed to Obama’s Intelligence Advisory Board”

    The US is in safe hands then…

    Sarcasm aside – so Obama appoints banksters and neocons to his administration. Wtf is this guy smoking? Proof positive his campaign was a lie.

  63. don middleton | September 17, 2011 at 11:15 pm |

    @ Beard………are you septicus? ie linimal hack? That heat thingy….. :) .
    Wouldn’t it be grand if only “natural laws” ruled the roost?

  64. F. Beard | September 17, 2011 at 11:24 pm |

    Wouldn’t it be grand if only “natural laws” ruled the roost? dm4

    Nature would kill us and never notice. I remember when people felt safe on Earth; then they learned about killer asteroids, super volcanoes, cosmic ray blasters, roving black holes and other things that could wipe us all out.

  65. JonnyJames | September 17, 2011 at 11:30 pm |

    @Flopot
    Obama is just doing the bidding of his masters and he is doing a great job for them. In a two-party dictatorship, you have no choice. It cost over a billion dollars the last election cycle to give us: Neo-liberal kleptocratic tyrant brand D, or Neo-liberal kleptocratic tyrant brand R.
    Next year it will be 2 billion with the same result.

  66. Apocalypto | September 17, 2011 at 11:31 pm |

    What is there to be afraid of? No one ever said you could live forever (nor should you).

    I feel safe on Earth because it’s a beautiful planet. Whether I die of old age or the planet is blown to bits by a meteor, it doesn’t matter.

    It’s God’s will.

  67. JonnyJames | September 17, 2011 at 11:32 pm |

    @FBeard,
    Funny that, your gravatar is now a cat and mine a dog. I also have a cat.

  68. Evolutis | September 18, 2011 at 12:00 am |

    @don middelton … back from honeydos … sorry,the owl and pussycat were intended as light hearted look at our situation …
    You have petri dish[a] and petri dish[b] in front of you. Each dish represents an entirely different environment. Each dish represents choice. Dish[a] the power of nature’s intelligence, the flow of infinite, information and energy. Your 5 senses qualify u as an amateur scientist; simple, stackable and unstackable information, exchanges allow u access to energy. Just as transistors are simple on off switches u can do some very complicated stuff by duplication, mimicry and arrangement configurations of these simple basics. In a sustainable, give and take, link to nature by design, u need to transfer information to get at the energy… and it flows, so time enters into it. One day the earth is flat because that is what the available information indicates. No need to say I “believe” the world is flat; that is too high a profile; answers are dead ends. You are a natural problem solver that is your “job” in the natural order of things. It’s a cadence of constant change, all within our limitations.

    Dish [b] a PHD. in economics!LOL, Are we not all wasting our time attempting to get one? Shit, the way things are going a PHD will be the bare minimum required to afford a side of fry’s at Rotten Ronnies! Petri Dish[b]Is constant[always has been] misinformation source, to chisel the next guy. An unsustainable separation from nature, the economic religion runs on an incumbent greed code that has no balance or equilibrium to the natural order of things and thus, far beyond our limitations. There is no appropriate or precise response to misinformation our perceptions are false in our “CHOICE” of the high profile petri dish [b] environment. A “JOB” for money is your broken lifeline. MINE too, but I’m trying to quit.

  69. Flopot | September 18, 2011 at 12:10 am |

    @JonnyJames

    You sum it up so well. The US dream just a wet one for neoliberal corporatist kleptocrats.

  70. acudoc | September 18, 2011 at 1:11 am |

    Thank you, Bonn. That was a must-watch!
    “@ Youri C
    @ Stacy & Max
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvNEVvHgOOY&feature=relmfu
    Setting History Free: Graham Hancock & David Wilcock
    ********** A MUST WATCH *************
    LOLZ
    HIC”

  71. Keith Davis | September 18, 2011 at 1:21 am |

    I always look forward to bedtime because I get to pray once again that Jamie Dimon contracts Pancreatic Cancer. K

  72. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 1:28 am |

    @F. Beard |
    I am confused on something I was looking up .. You might be the man with the answers.
    where was Aberham when god supposedly to talked to him and told him to quit banging his sister . Was in canaan or was it in egypt ?
    Thanks budy !

  73. F. Beard | September 18, 2011 at 1:38 am |

    where was Aberham when god supposedly to talked to him and told him to quit banging his sister . Was in canaan or was it in egypt ? Mike/Canada

    Neither. Incest was not forbidden till Moses who was hundreds of years later. Also, Sarah was only his 1/2 sister.

    Abraham was quite a man: Brave, loyal, faithful, and generous.

  74. alan | September 18, 2011 at 1:42 am |

    @Anonymous Greek, What you describe is the norm world wide. The corporations pay bribes to individuals, to sell out the people they are payed to represent.
    When the truth emerges the contract is enforced with, or with the threat of, military action.
    As an Australian I am very concerned about the proposed U.S bases in Australia. The USA keeps a tight leash on Australia now. It can only get tighter if we continue to pander to them. Before the USA it was Britain, I suppose we have been conditioned to be subservient. Maybe the Main stream media has a lot to do with selling us out, with news items like 60% of Australian support closer ties to US. I personally think these figures are BS but if you are convinced you are in a minority you are less likely to fight.
    Globilisation has destroyed essential industries so I suppose Australia have to be in one camp or the other, it is no longer capable of independence.

  75. Apocalypto | September 18, 2011 at 1:42 am |

    Ancient Aliens Season 3 Episode 4
    Aliens and Temples of Gold HQ [Full]

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNfN65wYOvo

  76. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 1:44 am |

    ok,, that dint help so much .. lol
    But thanks.
    Lets for get that he banged his sister/ wife that he gave to the pharaoh.
    What city did god 1st talk to in .. from what i have read .. It sound like he comes out of a place called hirian .. then in to cannaan then of to egypt,

  77. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 1:48 am |

    @alan |
    “Globilisation has destroyed essential industries so I suppose Australia have to be in one camp or the other, it is no longer capable of independence.”

    Hey .. have a Beer .. I been feeling that way for years in Canada.
    You might to ask the Peeps of palestine.

  79. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 1:52 am |

    I guess most dont get it ,, There are no sides. You might there are sides…. NoooOPE!

  80. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 1:54 am |

    @Youri Carma |
    Not that it matters ,, whats your gender ?
    and the 2erd ” gold ” link is fucked ( not working .

  81. KDT | September 18, 2011 at 1:57 am |

    I herd slavery and the civil war mentioned. there is a total misconception as to what set that war off and its over all out come .
    The 1st states to seceed are major sothern EXPORT states. (fort sumpter is in the middle of charlston harbor that is a clue) why them? slaves werent being imported. and less than 20 % of sotherners were using slaves at this time.
    and then there is this, my grand mothers grand father was sold by his uncle after the war was over to sorgum mill at 14 after his parents were killed during the civil war so much for no overt slavery after 1865 but it was not the preferd method as civil war orphins can get hard to come by.
    the west virginia coal towns were slavery pure and simple and the blacks were freed to join the poor white trash as wage slaves. the only real difrence is you dont have to feed and shelter a wage slave.

  82. Youri Carma | September 18, 2011 at 1:57 am |

    The Loan Boat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSFb3ItC2QA

    Loan, Exciting And New,

    Come Aboard.
We’re Expecting You
    .
Loan, Life’s Sweetest Reward.
    
Let It Flow,
It Floats Back To You.

    The Loan Boat
 Soon Will Be Making Another Run.
    
The Loan Boat Promises Something For Everyone.


    Set A Course For Adventure
    ,
Your Mind On A New Romance.

    Loan Wont Hurt Anymore
    
It’s An Open Smile On A Friendly Shore.
    It’s Loan
    
Welcome Aboard – It’s Loan

  83. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 1:57 am |

    @@F. Beard |
    are You writting me off again with lepparcy?
    I,m not trying to be smug.. I real em asking. Sorry if you took the banging part the wrong way.
    You are good with this kinda thing. I,m real em trying to find out.

  84. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 1:59 am |

    @KDT |
    Hi y a
    I,m feeling 90% slave-ish these days .. I,m snot sure about you.

  85. Apocalypto | September 18, 2011 at 2:02 am |

    Bachmann Claims Wall Street Reform Is ‘Killing The Banking Industry’ As Banks Post Record Profits

    By Pat Garofalo on Sep 17, 2011 at 9:30 am

    http://thinkprogress.org/economy/2011/09/17/321419/bachmann-wall-street-killing-bank/

  86. Youri Carma | September 18, 2011 at 2:02 am |

    @MIKE/CANADA

    ’2erd ” gold ” link is fucked’ – Not at my end brow.

  87. F. Beard | September 18, 2011 at 2:05 am |

    It sound like he comes out of a place called hirian .. then in to cannaan then of to egypt, Mike/Canada

    Terah took Abram his son, and Lot the son of Haran, his grandson, and Sarai his daughter-in-law, his son Abram’s wife; and they went out together from Ur of the Chaldeans in order to enter the land of Canaan; and they went as far as Haran, and settled there. Genesis 11:31

  88. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 2:09 am |

    Let ssee I pay to work ( income tax )
    I pay to Live ( Vat or in Canada H S T tax ) consumtion Tax
    I pay to have a home with land that can be taken away ( Prorty tax )
    un-less i write to the CRown and ask if I can pay for my land in gold or silver IF they except.
    I pay to have a buisness ( cprop tax ) plus city licence
    as a business ower in Canada i Have to collect the paid taxes from others and if there not handed in right on time , I am charged a penalty
    I do not have any children but I,m force to pay education tax.
    Yup .. I just dont have some one with a whip yet

  89. Youri Carma | September 18, 2011 at 2:10 am |

    @MIKE/CANADA

    It seems that there are more YouTube Vids censored for the U.S. and Canada than here at my end in Holland.

    For example: I could see this vid but people in the US couldn’t:

    So here I uploaded the Vid plus an other one similar in RAR: http://hotfile.com/dl/129484300/deead9f/Forbidden_Fukushima_Vids.rar.html

    So get asap before it’s gone. ;)

  90. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 2:10 am |

    Youri Carma |
    ” Not at my end brow”.
    lol.. I,m going to say your a male..
    Thanks,, and sory !

  92. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 2:23 am |

    @F . Beard
    Genesis 20:12 Abraham states: She (Sarah) is in truth my sister, but, only my father’s daughter, not my mothers, and so, she became my wife.
    Genesis 12:1-3 God said to Abram: I will make you a great nation, make your
    .. what part of africa? where did this take place.

  93. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 2:26 am |

    Youri Carma |
    You have a great sence of humor…LOL
    That pic was fucking sweet..

  94. bleep | September 18, 2011 at 2:27 am |

    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength

  95. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 2:30 am |

    @F. Beard
    “Abraham was quite a man: Brave, loyal, faithful, and generous”

    Dont get mad .. BuuuuT your pal old Abraham .. sounds kinda like the 1st pimp.. sorry I know its off topic.
    Genesis 13:2 Now, Abram was rich in livestock, silver and gold.

  96. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 2:31 am |

    god bless him.. lol

  97. SilverCondom | September 18, 2011 at 2:35 am |

    Stacy & Max!

    Each and every time I watch the Keiser Report the new episode is even better than the preceding one!

    How much better can you be? This is becoming ridiculous! ;)

    I just went on your guest’s website, Aaron Krowne: a lot of interesting material about the housing finance breakdown!

    http://ml-implode.com/

    Congrats! :)

  98. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 2:43 am |

    F.Beard
    Thers a Time line that i would like to match up .
    .. In this frame of time I just cant lock down where this took place.
    Genesis 17:8 God said to Abraham: I will give to you and your descendants the whole land of Canaan as a permanent possession. Catholic
    Genesis 17:9 God says: You and your descendants must obey My rules.
    Genesis 17:12-14 You must be circumcised, or else.

  100. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 2:45 am |

    @SilverCondom |
    are you in Canada? if so there was a great buy on silver .. I,ll give the sight with the guys i have been dealing with ,, I have nothing but good things to say.

  101. F. Beard | September 18, 2011 at 2:45 am |

    BuuuuT your pal old Abraham .. sounds kinda like the 1st pimp.. Mike/Canada

    TWICE, Abraham passed his wife Sarah off as his sister (only 1/2 true) because he thought his life was in danger. In those days, adultery was a much more serious offense than murder and Sarah was very beautiful. Pharaoh would not sleep with another’s man wife but a widow was lawful if you get my drift.

    It is very easy in the Bible to get the wrong ideas and I think that is deliberate on God’s part so that we are forced to read the entire thing.

  104. Youri Carma | September 18, 2011 at 2:51 am |

    Webster Tarpley’s World Crisis Radio September 17, 2011 – Audio http://tarpley.net/world-crisis-radio/

  105. MIKE/CANADA | September 18, 2011 at 2:54 am |

    Fair enoughf F. Beard.
    Just wondering if the dick snip .. is a God thing or a Jew thing.
    I have read a few books that question the this time frame.. some say this gig was in egypt .. some say canaan.

  106. Youri Carma | September 18, 2011 at 2:58 am |

    EFSF could make Germany liable for 465 billion euros ($640 billion) : Ifo 17 September 2011, Berlin (Reuters) http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/09/17/us-germany-efsf-ifo-idUSTRE78G14M20110917

  107. Youri Carma | September 18, 2011 at 3:07 am |

    Moody’s cuts Credit Agricole, SocGen ratings , 14 September 2011, by Sarah Turner – Sydney (MarketWatch) http://www.marketwatch.com/story/moodys-cuts-credit-agricole-socgen-ratings-2011-09-14

  108. F. Beard | September 18, 2011 at 3:13 am |

    @Mike/Canada,

    Mine was snipped when I was a baby. I’m glad it was. I wouldn’t want it to like like something from Dune. :)

  109. Mike/Canada | September 18, 2011 at 3:31 am |

    lmao…

  110. Mike/Canada | September 18, 2011 at 3:34 am |

    @F. Beard
    Your new name would have been Mr snuffleupagus

    http://images-mediawiki-sites.thefullwiki.org/08/3/8/2/7308644234469121.jpg

  111. bleep | September 18, 2011 at 3:50 am |

    How the world changed after 9/11
    On the day of September 11, Charlie Skelton attends a symposium of critical thinkers in New York
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/sep/12/9-11-symposium-charlie-skelton

  113. Evolutis | September 18, 2011 at 4:13 am |

    anybody else got way more information, than we need to know?

  114. SilverCondom | September 18, 2011 at 4:50 am |

    @ Mike/Canada

    I am in Washington DC, give me your silver seller’s website in Canada: could be handy if I have to move there. ;)

  115. Bonn | September 18, 2011 at 5:09 am |

    LOLz………..
    I have prooved we aint alone !!!!!!!!!!
    DJ Bonn in ta house……….Hindi musak…in the houze ~~~~~~~~~
    Zeher – Woh Lamhe
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WfqJ3QrFZM
    lolz
    Hic ;-)

  116. Bonn | September 18, 2011 at 5:13 am |

    Kya Mujhe Pyaar Hai Remixx
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raavVjuH2Ko
    Better start learnin Hindi or Chinese …..LMAO……or write off yer fraudulant debts……..
    Hic ;-)

  117. KDT | September 18, 2011 at 5:24 am |

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=u83By9th8HI
    The Gost in Our Genes
    this is an amazing documentry nothing like i have ever heerd before.

  118. Watch | September 18, 2011 at 5:29 am |

    Ok…

    It’s time for a Laugh, A new BILL,

    US can save BILLION’s $$$$$…

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MID0oqKYTSY

    .

  120. Bonn | September 18, 2011 at 5:38 am |

    @ KDT
    yup Seen that….Someone claims that the Earth aint orbitin the Sun ……
    Hmmm errrrrrrr dunno what to think of that …….

  121. Bonn | September 18, 2011 at 5:41 am |

    I definately Believe our Sun aint standin Still its Movin How fast ????Sadly our Stooped skools dont teach us ……….

  122. Bonn | September 18, 2011 at 5:48 am |

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-NH5yK3ZN54&feature=player_detailpage
    The Earth rotates at 0-1040 mi/hr (depends on latitude)
    The Earth orbits the sun at aprox. 66,629 mi/hr
    The sun orbits the galactic centre at aprox. 447,000 mi/hr

    In just considering how fast the sun is moving, we know the Earth travels at least 3,918,402,000 miles in a years time! (as it also orbits around the sun)

    Total speed of the Earth moving through space is difficult to approximate do to the combination of motions.
    Using Cosmic Microwave Background (CMB) radiation it is estimated the total motion of the Earth through space is aprox. 1,342,000 mi/hr
    Or 11,763,972,000 miles in 1 year!
    (which is still only 0.2% the speed of light!)

    Foooooook !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
    lolz
    Hic -)

  123. KDT | September 18, 2011 at 5:49 am |

    @MichaelGon thanks I love Nigel’s i told you so’s

  124. Bonn | September 18, 2011 at 5:54 am |

    And we humans(Pt X) wer worried about breaking the Sound Barrier ….
    LMAO
    PMSL
    LOLZ
    Hic ;-)

  125. KDT | September 18, 2011 at 6:00 am |

    @Bon the total number of helical motions are potentialy infinite careful dont get dizzy

  126. Bonn | September 18, 2011 at 6:06 am |

    @KDT
    Ya have watched Nassim Harramien on the Unified Field Theory
    Unified Field Theory 25/45
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rUN5nL7x4Do
    If ya have’nt y’all see *********************
    lolz
    Hic ;-)

  127. Jayme | September 18, 2011 at 6:08 am |

    “US can save BILLION’s $$$$$…” – LOLZ That just might work!

  128. snoop diddy | September 18, 2011 at 6:17 am |

    Ron Paul wins California GOP straw poll
    http://blogs.sacbee.com/capitolalertlatest/2011/09/ron-paul-wins-california-gop-straw.html

    G. Edward Griffin on Peter Schiff Radio 09/14/11
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rvUOheTY-g4

  129. KDT | September 18, 2011 at 6:18 am |

    @bonn he has it some what wrong , someting was buging me so i checked the solar sys only has a 60 degree tilt from the suns orbit not 90 as shown but that makes it more complex not less imo

  130. indeed | September 18, 2011 at 6:19 am |

    Well, there you have it.

    All I have to do is to get a loan for 13 trillion. Ignore the stupid, uncurious and dull proletariats. Grab the land. Control the resources. Buy politicians. Forgive myself for printing money for myself. Repeg the fiat. Punish the innocent. Reward the criminals.

    Hurrah – I’m getting the hang of this bankster (no pun intented) stuff.

    Wait a minute. Aren’t we here to fight this crap?

  131. KDT | September 18, 2011 at 6:19 am |

    @bonn not yet TY

  132. snoop diddy | September 18, 2011 at 6:22 am |

    ‘Hey Wall St, Modify This’
    williambanzai7 flickr link
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/expd/6155740941/in/photostream/

  133. Watch | September 18, 2011 at 6:23 am |

    “SilverCondom | September 18, 2011 at 4:50 am | @ Mike/Canada

    I am in Washington DC, give me your silver seller’s website in Canada: could be handy if I have to move there. ”

    GREAT Service !!!!!!! ….

    http://www.thebullionexchange.ca/

    .

  134. alan | September 18, 2011 at 6:47 am |

    @kdt, thanks for the link, I enjoyed watching it

  135. Evolutis | September 18, 2011 at 6:47 am |

    @Bonn …Graham Hancock/David Wilcock – Setting History Free … thank You… one of the best Links / http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvNEVvHgOOY&feature=relmfu

  137. Bonn | September 18, 2011 at 7:12 am |

    Who’s Stephanie ??????
    lolz….have,nt seen the Show yet …….Will watch it later……..busy gettin drunk !!!
    Hic ;-)

  139. Watch | September 18, 2011 at 7:35 am |

    Cheers Bonn, A couple beers here, too.

    I think Stacy, got a new name (nic-name) Stephanie from Someone ??

  140. Bonn | September 18, 2011 at 7:40 am |

    @davem
    Howz the art werk goin ???
    just Saw yer site again ……

  142. the underfundedmentalist | September 18, 2011 at 10:59 am |

    nofx
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq8eoPaJWEg

    courtesy of
    Hal L’Burton

  143. the underfundedmentalist | September 18, 2011 at 11:08 am |

    mother, do you think they’ll drop the bomb…,
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HtD-itb1f_Q

  144. Youri Carma | September 18, 2011 at 11:13 am |

    European Sovereign Debt – Can’t We All Just ‘Net’ Along?

    While the cost of either approach is likely extremely high, some research from early Summer by ESCP Europe suggests a non-trivial approach that reduces aggregate debt for the European sovereign complex by almost 64% is possible .

    The solution:- bi- & tri-lateral netting, and free-trading.

    Six countries – Ireland, Italy, Spain, Britain, France and Germany – can write off more than 50% of their outstanding debt;

    Three countries – Ireland, Italy, and Germany – can reduce their obligations such that they owe more than €1bn to only 2 other countries .

    Around 50% of Portugal’s debt is owed to Spain ;

    Ireland and Italy can write off all of their debt to other PIIGS countries, and Ireland can reduce its debt from almost 130% of GDP to under 20% of GDP;

    Greece can reduce their debt by 20%, with 60% owed to France and 30% to Germany;

    Britain has the highest absolute amount of debt before and after the write off (owed mostly to Spain and Germany) but can reduce their debt to GDP ratio by 34 percentage points;

    France can virtually eliminate its debt (by 99.76%) – reducing it to just 0.06% of GDP;

  146. the underfundedmentalist | September 18, 2011 at 11:30 am |

    Suicidal Tendencies – I Shot The Devil (Reagan)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLcnFVpuGyM&feature=related
    why no U2/CLASH moment durring all this crisis, i guess theres not enough humanity to go around?!?
    Never Mind the Bollocks, Here’s the Sex Pistols
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZAMZs4jQtY

  147. Youri Carma | September 18, 2011 at 11:36 am |

    Why not the Tulip Mania solution?, 29 April 2010, by Youri Carma (FPP) http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=168816.0

    Tulip Mania solution meaning Force Majeure, void debt, stripe away against each other all bogus solely paper dervative debts.

    My major solution, and I have been saying that from the beginning of this crises, is the Tulip Mania solution but that has to be done on a great platform in which all the problem dependent countries stick there heads together to stripe away the insane on and off balance sheets debts against each other which mainly were created by the “synthetic” derivative system created to serve the banksters not the real economy.

    FORCE MAJEURE! – Call Void All Bankster Bogus Derivative Debts! Because paying off these trough fraud induced debts have become a technical and practical impossibility.

  148. MirrorMirror | September 18, 2011 at 11:52 am |


    .
    .
    Excellent Video in Germany
    .
    Heute Show : Goldman sucks :

    http://www.rottmeyer.de/heute-show-goldman-sucks/

    Was that the Tagesschau or just Comedy ?
    ;-)

    Brilliant … liked the “Bambi” ( capital … shy as a deer / Bambi ) piece … “Quiet please , don’t talk about “it” … you might frighten the Bambi”

    3 mins

  149. snoop diddy | September 18, 2011 at 11:53 am |

    William Black: Why Nobody Went to Jail During the Credit Crisis
    The FBI is no longer chasing white collar criminals
    http://www.financialsense.com/financial-sense-newshour/guest-expert/2011/09/14/william-k-black-phd/why-nobody-went-to-jail-during-the-credit-crisis

  152. Merlin | September 18, 2011 at 12:28 pm |

    Love the Picasso cilp!

  153. Bill Jeffreys | September 18, 2011 at 12:33 pm |

    In the SeaSide Art Gallery in Nags Head NC, they had a drawing Picasso did of a glass figurine of a horse. It was white on a black background, maybe velvet. It was the model of economy, as there was not one mark that did not need to be there, and it looked completely real and three dimensional. It was way beyond an attempt to make a realistic painting. It looked so real your mind could actually see it in three dimensions without any effort on your part whatsoever, as though the real figurine was in front of you.

  154. Youri Carma | September 18, 2011 at 12:40 pm |

    @the underfundedmentalist

    When I in the mood Bite The Bullet! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cjeIUpD9Emo

  155. snoop diddy | September 18, 2011 at 12:52 pm |

    In english, it has French, Spanish and German closed captions too :-)
    Debt Collapse – $20,000 Gold – Mike Maloney On Gold, Silver & Economics
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tj2s6vzErqY

  156. Youri Carma | September 18, 2011 at 1:11 pm |

    Comex Alternative: Pan Asia Gold Exchange, Silver Contracts start 22-7-2011! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bt_H3OWxUSY&feature=player_embedded

  157. snoop diddy | September 18, 2011 at 1:26 pm |

    Any new PM exchange has got to be bullish for goPM mining stocks longer term surely too.

  158. Danny Cunnington | September 18, 2011 at 1:38 pm |

    @Stacy, Thanks for the Picasso clip. I seen most of it before but pure quality never gets boring. A pure genius who relates 1.618 so effortlessly in a brush stroke.

    Art = Quality of communication.

  161. Mini US | September 18, 2011 at 3:46 pm |

    FOMC meeting this week.

    Last chance to load up in ‘The Precious’ before it goes mental.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IEu_5sP9F0Q

  162. I_Can_Believe_Its_Just_a_Dip | September 18, 2011 at 4:16 pm |

    @KDT, thanks for that documentary, it was amazing, not often am I enlightened to such a degree.
    For every1; if your mother was stressed during pregnancy it switches genes on/off(cortisol higher) and the kids are born genetically more stressed.Also if your grandmother suffered poor nutrition as an egg during her own pregnancy it also changes her genes(shortened lifespan and other health problems passed on forever). The grandfather is prone to risk just before his own puberty.
    For test tube babies, the cell cultures are genetically changed by the mere fact of placing them in the test tube(epigenetics),giving an increased likelyhood of nasty diseases with unpredictable switching of parts of genes.
    The human genome map is not enough, it is paramount to know what genes get switched on and what don’t(again epigenetics). Chemicals in the environment may not show their true effects until your grandchildren’s generation. Is this the legacy we are going to leave them, the consequences are far reaching..

  163. Aaron Krowne | September 18, 2011 at 4:40 pm |

    Hi folks, thanks for the great feedback.

    To those who want to keep tabs on ML-Implode, we just added a twitter feed – http://twitter.com/#!/ImplodeOMeter

    However that will only post “major” items, no more than 1 a day — if you want our full feed, use RSS or email:

    http://implode-explode.com/customfeed/customfeed.html (RSS)

    http://implode-explode.com/feedman/feedman.pl?op=subscribe (EMAIL)

    (The main ML-implode news feed is the first one)

    We have a lot of interesting “channels” in there, such as gold/silver, inflation, the Fed and central banking, etc., if you want something other than the housing stuff.

    cheers!

  164. susan | September 18, 2011 at 4:45 pm |

    OT – sorry!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFKJiSF1tic

    here’s the truth about Fukushima, which is also the truth about 911 – see Dr Judy Wood.

    Now that more people are up-to-speed about geoengineering too, we can start to have a real discussion about what’s going on!

  165. robert | September 18, 2011 at 4:47 pm |

    Great Modern Lovers song! You have good taste.

  166. VOM DEM | September 18, 2011 at 5:13 pm |

    UBS LOSSES NOW UPGRADED TO £1.5 MILLION OR 2.3 BILLION USD APPROX , WHAT A CRYING SHAME , MIGHT WIPE OUT THE BONUS POOL AS WELL PITY , FUNNIEST THING IVE HEARD FOR AGES , TRADERS GET YOUR TIN CUPS AND DARK GLASSES READY OH AND A SCABBY DOG ALWAYS HELPS

  167. MirrorMirror | September 18, 2011 at 5:54 pm |

    1148 German Readers of Welt Online voted 81% on the Euro failing

    http://www.welt.de/debatte/kommentare/article13611595/Heimlichtuerei-schadet-dem-Euro-und-der-EU.html

    FWIW

  168. Ray in Vancouver | September 18, 2011 at 6:29 pm |

    FYI. Expect inflation in the big boys assets. M1 increased 37% in three months. Somebody has a printing press and doesn’t know where the off switch us.

    http://www.urbansurvival.com/blog/

    My guess is deflation in the real economy, because of austerity . More worthless paper printed by the incompetents who couldn’t make fractional reserve banking work. Don’t forget the big banks own the central banks, no conflict there, but even with that power they can’t make it work. World war is their solution, kill off a percentage of the population.

  169. microhousehold | September 18, 2011 at 8:23 pm |

    No mega trucks in Europe!
    (This website has been set up by the NO MEGA TRUCKS alliance to inform people about the dangers that mega trucks pose for traffic safety, for the environment and for public finances.)

    http://www.nomegatrucks.eu/

  170. KDT | September 18, 2011 at 8:43 pm |

    @I_Can_Believe if those guys dont get a nobel prize for this then the damn thing is worthless! it was the first time i have ever felt choked up over science!
    For beter or worse ,we own our genes as much as they own us. The bar has been raised for humanity with this understanding IMO there are stagering implacations, they just scrached the surface of this .

  171. MirrorMirror | September 18, 2011 at 8:45 pm |

    WSJ :Troika Seeks 100,000 Greek Public Sector Layoffs By 2015-Report

    http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20110918-703408.html

  172. KDT | September 18, 2011 at 9:14 pm |

    they found that diabetes tends start in a famly from grand parents having lived thru a famine ,this says to me some ajustment was made to how the body prosess food . so would a population prone to diabetes be less prone to starving in a famine ? or if we could trace back thru the group see where the famine affecting them happened? for instance how many diabetics in amrica today are decended from famine survivors?

  173. BB Rebozo | September 18, 2011 at 9:27 pm |

    Get out of the dungeon!
    Now we are talking!
    Free at last, free at last, thank god almighty, I’m free at last!

    http://www.nextworldtv.com/videos/shelter/island-made-of-plastic-bottles.html

  174. KDT | September 18, 2011 at 9:43 pm |

    @bb now that is taking charg of your existance, love how the mexican gov. made shure to claim his ass. i bet the tax bill is on the way, he may need to head out to sea sooner than he thinks!!

  175. KDT | September 18, 2011 at 10:19 pm |

    @susan the truth is that in both cases risks were taken that resulted in disasters when something unexpected happened. and wile no one who worked the towers frame could have forseen the atack! they were expected to build a frame that met certian standerds, wich they failed to do(bean counters made them fudged the 100 year storm data that they built to) in the case of fukushima no such claim can be made at all, they new that fault was there ,and that it was cocked and ready to fire.that fault was predictid to do exactly what it did you can look it up, it was one of the first stories i hered after the quake
    even the tsunami is no excuse. i mean they did invented the word, they know how they work better than any one. we now know that the cooling system did not survive the quake any way, so its a moot point. if harp trigered the quake so what? (im not sold on harp, sorry the amount of energy required is not going to come out of a forest in alaska not with out some source and i mean a big one possably the biggest on earth. it still
    remains an earth quake and every thing i said at the top aplies no excuses that plant should not have been there to be damaged at all, the same is true in a difrent way on the towers

  177. Apocalypto | September 18, 2011 at 11:12 pm |

    @KDT

    “and wile no one who worked the towers frame could have forseen the atack! they were expected to build a frame that met certian standerds, wich they failed to do”

    That is absolutely not true. The 2 WTC towers were designed and built to withstand the impact of MULTIPLE Boeing 707s (which were heavier than 767s). And, in actual fact, the buildings did survive the impact of the 767s. Depending on who’s story you believe, it was the resulting fires that brought the buildings down, or a controlled demolition.

    But to say that no one would have foreseen airplanes hitting the towers is complete nonsense. The designers are documented to have taken into account the B-25 Mitchell bomber that struck the Empire State Building on July 28, 1945, as they should have as professionals.

  178. Shaul Hanuka | September 18, 2011 at 11:22 pm |

    Hi Stacy and Max,
    great show as always,
    here’s a little something i mixed from Episode number 183.
    http://soundcloud.com/ihanuka/max-keiser-3d-world-war-gold

  179. KDT | September 18, 2011 at 11:42 pm |

    @apocalypto lol ummm sorry NO they may hav said that but no they FAILED and they new there was a problem the enginers called to tell them in late 1998 or early in 99 the enginers have been jumping all around the truth becaus they dont want to die, but there out of room. so if we all quit pretending the towers were some imortal type of edifice, and look those fucks straight in the eye, and ask the right questions they will break, and i am not kiding the guilt is eating them alive they want to say it i can see it in there eyes the way they won’t face the cameras straight on the tone of vioce. wach that putz from MIT in there vidio to discredit the fire theroy and wach his body language he knows what happened and choses not to say shit. they owe us better!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  180. KDT | September 19, 2011 at 12:09 am |

    For the record the flaws in the frames of the towers were :
    the exterrior modular columns had flat joins wich created a shereing isue with the bolts used to secure them, also the floors were what kept the walls square. and again this created more shere isues the total result was that when struck the bolts shered or riped thru the holes and once they were lost the building was doomed

    for those who dont follow all that, what i jut said was that if welds had been used insted of bolts the buildings would not have colapesd that day, end of story no excuses. when enginers are made to cut corners we all pay some with there lives the rest in the aftermath. some one did not want to pay to demo those buildings period, the value of the realestate was negitively impacted by the buildings the quickest way to get rid of them was to exploit the weakness that was the the isue to start with! why is that so hard to execept? it was a fire job! ny has lots of them its not new. it was so big how ever that they needed federal cover to do it, but they lucked out when the neo cons got in and wanted a “peral harbor to kick things off so the cia loned them a qualifed enginere to run the OP. again why is this so hard to except ? the rest is ALL to hide these truths ,wake up!!

  181. KDT | September 19, 2011 at 12:30 am |

    @apocalypto sorry i did not mean to imply that air trafic was not thought of as an accedent that could happen. what they did not expect is that some one would hit the towers like they did, and they flat fucked up even in dealing with an accedental impact.
    if not i would not be telling you about flat joins with shere isues would I?

  182. Mini US | September 19, 2011 at 12:30 am |

    Nice images but do you ever get the feeling that you’re being watched? :)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=74mhQyuyELQ#!

  184. BB Rebozo | September 19, 2011 at 12:36 am |

    Forget about the banning of just growing food. Monsanto wants to literally neutralize the soils so the only plants that will grow, period, is theirs!

    This is a LONG video but a very good one on Chem trails.

    One aspect of chem trails I had not heard of was how the Aluminum and Barium is turning the soil neutral. It is usually acidic. The neutral soil is killing the regular plants except genetically modified plants!

    http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com/videos/chemtrails/chemtrails-what-in-the-worldare-they-spraying.html

  186. Youri Carma | September 19, 2011 at 2:21 am |

    Gold imediately shot up $1,827 in the early trading than the Bizarro PPT Algs seem to be kicking in again. http://www.goldprice.org/spot-gold.html

  187. KDT | September 19, 2011 at 2:24 am |

    @BB when you relize the scope of there atack it is rely scary! heirloom seeds and hermeticly sealed greenhouses seems the only thing to do and hide too!! dont forget to hide. guerrilla farming isn’t just about pot any more looks like to me yikes.

  188. foober | September 19, 2011 at 2:52 am |

    bascially if we got rid of the federal gubbmernt we’d be better off. I’m sure its the same in most countrys.

  191. Youri Carma | September 19, 2011 at 3:32 am |

    Pirate Party Gets 40% Of CDU Vote In Berlin :)

    I voted for the Dutch Pirate Party myself in last elections. Unfortunately they didn’t make it to the parliament :sad:

  193. YoLithos | September 19, 2011 at 3:42 am |

    @kdt – All that waffle has been debunked.

    The towers had to support decades of stresses and shears much greater than an aircraft crashing into it like that. The wind, the rain, the hail, the temperature swings, the pressure gradients from internal dilation and contraction – all outweigh an aircraft impact that leaves most of the floor intact.

    The overwhelming physical data is totally inconsistent with the official stated mechanism. It doesn’t compute, in reality. The amount of deviation in official standards and behaviour, without which the event would have been foiled at a score of opportunities, is too extreme to be considered accidental or coincidental, itself.

    Buildings don’t fall “in sympathy”. They do not fall vertically. Kerosene, does not melt steel. I don’t care if they were welded together with decennial mithril plaster plaques. ASk the Mythbusters to emulate what happened, for example.

    .

  195. Youri Carma | September 19, 2011 at 4:09 am |

    @YoLithos

    Well said and the Twin Towers were designed to withstand a Boeing 707 (707 compares very well with the 767) impact and could even withstand multiple impacts according to the Twin Towers construction manager .

    Manager of Construction says WTC towers could withstand multiple impacts http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/november2004/141104designedtotake.htm

    “ The building was designed to have a fully loaded [Boeing] 707 crash into it.

    That was the largest plane at the time.

    I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door — this intense grid — and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting.

    It really does nothing to the screen netting .”

  196. KDT | September 19, 2011 at 4:11 am |

    @YoLithos sorry i disagree. i have looked at the vidio of them puting them up and saw the flaw in how the colunms were secured and that coupled with the flaw in how the floors bolted together combined with the plane to form a clasic fault chain from flaw to flaw it moved first past those whos job it was to stop them after impact it was in the structure and as to the fall, they were not trees. what makes you think they should fall any way but straight down? inertia, inertia, inertia, even if they had managed to blow the foundation, it would STILL come straight down as the lower structure would be unable to act as a piviot point to alow it to tip. 95% of those buildings were AIR that was the whole point of the design.

  197. KDT | September 19, 2011 at 4:18 am |

    @youry no shit he said that who wouldent? people were dead he knows why!
    and to describe what they did that way is a total miss representation!!!! did any one question what he said? or did they buy the “framulator valve” story hook line and sinker?

  198. Youri Carma | September 19, 2011 at 4:24 am |

    @YoLithos

    BBC Reports Collapse of WTC Building 7 Early– TWICE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6mxFRigYD3s

    Tower 7 blasted into rubble from NEW angle! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&NR=1&feature=fvwp

    Steve Spak Building 7 Footage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=679xhTZZyog

  199. Apocalypto | September 19, 2011 at 4:26 am |

    @ KDT

    “i have looked at the vidio of them puting them up and saw the flaw in how the colunms were secured”

    LOL. Nice, nice. It’s too bad you weren’t there when the architects needed your advice.

    Fucking idiot.

  200. KDT | September 19, 2011 at 4:31 am |

    had it been welded it would have been a grid as described not with bolts. it is NOT EVEN CLOSE, and using hardened bolts would only make it more BRITTLE not stronger. for instance how exactly were the columns and there hard ware supose to resist the force of these planes when if you hit them from the side they just break away, and fly thru the building doing more damage ??? and the floors were NOT able to resist the heaving and twisting they broke, again at the bolts the weakest link in the chain.

  201. Youri Carma | September 19, 2011 at 4:34 am |

    Danny Jowenko on WTC 7: “Controlled Demolition!” http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=877gr6xtQIc

    Danny Jowenko, Faked Fatal Accident Site News High Res Images & Video 7-16-11 (11911) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z5mwr4LYhV0

  202. KDT | September 19, 2011 at 4:43 am |

    @APoclypto did i call names ? i went looking for that vidio because i herd about the flaw and was trying to see how it was put together ASSHOLE
    it is also visable in most all dibris photos, its all we have to work with DICKHEAD
    most enginers are total morons when it comes to acculy puting things together NITWIT
    so go ahead get on the elavator go on up no skin of my nose you WOTRHLESS PUKE

  203. Capt. Ray | September 19, 2011 at 4:57 am |

    @ KDT

    What happens if a building is not build to withstand a part taken out?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjNhseQ7GfU

    Building 7 pre-run?
    http://m.wimp.com/bigblast/

  205. KDT | September 19, 2011 at 5:11 am |

    i relized somthing was wrong so i looked at what this mess has become to see what was up, and what i find is coruption, and no responsability from any one. not the banks( OH no they werent the ones hard selling ponzie sceems with government backing) not politics (you voted for us what did you expect intregrety? what a joke) and it just keeps going enginers ,scientists, medicine, the entire profesional class is fucked up and full of wasteoid morons that cant acculy even care for them selves. and im about sick of them trying to tell the rest of us its our fault. there the inbreed loosers who created the mess start with .

  206. KDT | September 19, 2011 at 5:17 am |

    @capt. Ray LMFAO that thing is solid concreet. not the same at all, did they ment to do that ? caus im not shure that was an improvement. but i bet an enginer was in charge.

  207. Apocalypto | September 19, 2011 at 5:19 am |

    @ KDT

    You sanctimonious dweeb – YOU CAN’T EVEN SPELL. Why should anyone take you seriously?

    I think I’ve lost IQ points just reading your worthless tripe.

    I have two suggestions for you:

    1. Learn to SPELL
    2. Do some research
    http://www.ae911truth.org/en/evidence.html#Videos_by_AE911Truth

    Then come back here and talk. You’ll get a lot more respect.

  208. Capt. Ray | September 19, 2011 at 5:28 am |

    “@capt. Ray LMFAO that thing is solid concreet.”

    Exactly my point…

  210. Capt. Ray | September 19, 2011 at 5:39 am |

    A tree has the same falling caractaristics as that concrete building.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0C8CkEuJS6s

    %)

  211. KDT | September 19, 2011 at 5:52 am |

    i may not spell so well sorry tooo late for me now oh well. i do how ever have 25 years experience reading plans and bluprints i even took some classes to get a better handle on it as a contractor. what do you bring to the debate besides links to vids you dont understand and i have already loooked at ,and spelling corections, and name calling ? and you refer to my post as tripe ?

  212. KDT | September 19, 2011 at 5:59 am |

    @apocolyps so sorry were they your last 2 points did the misspellings burn them outhay how many words did i get worong total did you count or can you still with out those missing points?

  214. KDT | September 19, 2011 at 6:05 am |

    @capt. Ray was that other vid real? im still laghing. how could they have done that the two buildings did look the same. but are you shure it wasent staged ?
    they do look shocked .

  216. Apocalypto | September 19, 2011 at 6:10 am |

    This thread has gone PLANE CRAZY!

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCZPzHg0h80

  217. Capt. Ray | September 19, 2011 at 6:12 am |

    (this I couldn’t post… felt not done… but here it is anyway… )
    [2 min]
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4i4SDBdrnH0&feature=related

  218. Apocalypto | September 19, 2011 at 6:24 am |

    F. Beard might like this one.

    Foo Fighters sing to Westboro Baptist Church

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_607932&feature=iv&v=EWSeDYTHtiQ&src_vid=DOSkBJ-Q1Zw

  219. Capt. Ray | September 19, 2011 at 6:29 am |

    @ DDT

    Noticed that even a LEGO tower falls the same as a tree, buildings and everything else?

    I happen to think that facts are perhaps true. Sorry.

    Tall things lean and tumble.
    Tall things won’t crumble.

    Fuk u fact:
    The force of sympathy can bring down a building.

  221. KDT | September 19, 2011 at 6:40 am |

    @capt.Ray i love legos probly how i got in to building things.

  222. Apocalypto | September 19, 2011 at 6:40 am |

    I’m not sure Kraft Dinner Time is still around. It’s probably past lights-out at the Sanitarium. lol :)

  223. Apocalypto | September 19, 2011 at 6:41 am |

    Oh, he’s there. /waves :)

  224. Capt. Ray | September 19, 2011 at 6:46 am |

    @DDT

    Fuk man,
    Everywhere I look I see the same pattern appearing. Tumbling, not crumbling.
    Even a house of cards, burning, falls like everything else that’s tall on planet earth.
    (top falls over and the base stays up.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoHJWBxisK0&feature=related

    But hey, i’m not a sophisticated building expert like you. So why don’t you join a blog dedicated to your convictions. …can’t help assume that it is called Intranet for you.

    I’m telln’ya;
    Tha 8th world wonder; “the falling tower 7 of New Amsterdam”.

    Read ya’ll tomorrow!
    Good night.
    :)

  225. KDT | September 19, 2011 at 7:47 am |

    @ captain ray what is your point? the towers were not trees, they were not solid concreet, nor were they legos (even tho they do show how hollow the buildings were)or cards so what is your point? and i love how people look at a construct and think its one whole solid unit with out even understanding how they stay together in the first place. the concreet building was solid like a tree so it acted like one, the trade towers were not built that way at all, how many trees are 95% air? and any one who at this point does not know that the far side of tower 7(away from the vidio camrera) is compleetly destroyed by falling debris ,is willfuly uninformed there are pictures showing the damage lots of damage lots of pictures and an uncontroled fire heating up a set steel trusses for hours, you cant have that in a building with cantalever trusing. part of that building was hanging from these structural members with no foundation under it the load went up and across to the center and down to the con.ed. vault that held up the rest of tower 7 (it had a larger foot print than its footings) not a problem unless they heat up and bend but your right, i guess if im just pissing people off ill shut up and go away im not shure what the point is in here. with a blog if its not a discusion then its a circle jerk and i wish you and your friends well (im just not in to that sorry)

  226. Mattdog | September 19, 2011 at 7:54 am |

    Gawd….! Why does everyone have to pick on Legos? This thread hasn’t gone crazy, it’s only getting more interesting! Here’s my ultimatum thought on building seven; If the other two towers were burning AT THAT TIME, why wasn’t there a complete shut down of THAT demolition being done on building seven? If there was “something” going on with airplanes flying into buildings down the street, don’t you think it would be in f–kwad Larry Silverstein’s best interest to stop the demolition of building seven while there was some kind of national emergency happening down the street? Larry Silverstein doesn’t have to give a shit as to what is happening to people on the street? How f–king absurd. Oh, it’s about insurance..? I could use a little insight into this….Por Favor…

  227. MirrorMirror | September 19, 2011 at 7:55 am |

    And what will that outcome be? A repeat of the Great Depression in the ‘best’-case scenario, he says. And the worse-case? A repeat of the fall of the Roman Empire.

    + Video interview with Ayn Rand Society

    http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daily-ticker/coming-collapse-buy-time-t-change-outcome-172315105.html

  228. Capt. Ray | September 19, 2011 at 7:57 am |

    Brittle concrete.

  229. snoop diddy | September 19, 2011 at 7:57 am |

    http://fold.it/portal/info/science

    http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/digital-life/games/online-gamers-crack-aids-enzyme-puzzle-20110919-1kgq2.html#ixzz1YMghWTt1

    Online gamers have achieved a feat beyond the realm of Second Life or Dungeons and Dragons: they have deciphered the structure of an enzyme of an AIDS-like virus that had thwarted scientists for a decade.

    The exploit is published on Sunday in the journal Nature Structural & Molecular Biology, where – exceptionally in scientific publishing – both gamers and researchers are honoured as co-authors.

    Their target was a monomeric protease enzyme, a cutting agent in the complex molecular tailoring of retroviruses, a family that includes HIV.
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    Figuring out the structure of proteins is vital for understanding the causes of many diseases and developing drugs to block them.

    But a microscope gives only a flat image of what to the outsider looks like a plate of one-dimensional scrunched-up spaghetti. Pharmacologists, though, need a 3D picture that “unfolds” the molecule and rotates it in order to reveal potential targets for drugs.

    This is where Foldit comes in.

    Developed in 2008 by the University of Washington, it is a fun-for-purpose video game in which gamers, divided into competing groups, compete to unfold chains of amino acids – the building blocks of proteins – using a set of online tools.

    To the astonishment of the scientists, the gamers produced an accurate model of the enzyme in just three weeks.

    Cracking the enzyme “provides new insights for the design of antiretroviral drugs”, says the study, referring to the lifeline medication against the human immunodeficiency virus (HIV).

    It is believed to be the first time that gamers have resolved a long-standing scientific problem.

    “We wanted to see if human intuition could succeed where automated methods had failed,” Firas Khatib of the university’s biochemistry lab said in a press release.

    “The ingenuity of game players is a formidable force that, if properly directed, can be used to solve a wide range of scientific problems.”

    One of Foldit’s creators, Seth Cooper, explained why gamers had succeeded where computers had failed.

    “People have spatial reasoning skills, something computers are not yet good at,” he said.

    “Games provide a framework for bringing together the strengths of computers and humans. The results in this week’s paper show that gaming, science and computation can be combined to make advances that were not possible before.”

  230. MirrorMirror | September 19, 2011 at 8:02 am |

    @snoop diddy … Gamers + Foldit … Cool !
    Thx

  231. Apocalypto | September 19, 2011 at 8:05 am |

    I posted so many 9/11 links that the post got stuck in moderation. lol :)

    I don’t blame Stacy. A lot of spam and people with agendas are starting to show up here these days.

    @ Mattdog

    Yes, it was about insurance for Silverscheme.

    Many Americans are still unaware that, for years, Larry Silverstein originally owned only one building near the World Trade Center complex: “Building 7.” A mere two months before 9/11, he bought the entire complex; all seven of the buildings. Then he immediately took out a record insurance policy on them for over $3.5 billion, which he has since been paid. Interesting timing, to say the least.

    http://www.freewebs.com/911truthseeker/911andbuilding7.htm

  232. Capt. Ray | September 19, 2011 at 8:06 am |

    Brittle concrete.
    Flexible tree.
    Cards and pieces fall where they may be.

    The thing is though…
    I was at a site where a plane crash into a high rise. I drove and walked over the large pieces of the plane. The police was cornering it off. Amsterdam Bijlmer. (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bijlmerramp)

    Strange that concrete can melt… don’t you think.
    All we were told is that the plane carried flowers, the mossat, and no black box.

    Just say’n

    Good night.

  233. MirrorMirror | September 19, 2011 at 8:12 am |

    Romania accepts US missile defence system (14Sept11)

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ug_JULqPvE

    1:54 mins

    Why ? … to antagonize Russia.

  234. Youri Carma | September 19, 2011 at 8:14 am |

    You can kick the can down the road for a while but everybody knows that it’s a blind alley so that in some point in time you gonna hit the wall.

    Even technicaly the debt hidden away in the shadow banking sytem can’t be payed back let alone even have to think about acting out the thought of talking such a immense, mainly true fraud induced debt and putting it on taxpayer’s shoulders. Everybody can see now where this is leading us too, these auterity measures and the money printing. We see countries’ economies destroyed by insane austerity measures purely for holding up the twisted ego of some banksters who didn’t get any cut. On the contrary, bankster bonuses increased while main street is rotting away. These creatures are real hyana’s who like to pick of a bare bone cause that’s all that is left of the real economy by now.

    It’s an insanity and it’s killing this economy which can’t lend at a zero% rate. Why not lend money at a zero% to mainly small businesses who, and everybody knows that, are always creating more jobs in general while big businesses can generate their own capital but sitting on it and, importantly, are cutting back costs by sacking personal and lowering wages.

    What most people don’t seem to understand is that this true fraud induced debt never will go away nor will the fraud and corruption if people don’t stand up and let their voice be heard. We’re not alone anymore, we are the majority but our voices must also be represented in the mainstream media so that a public discussion can be made about how to actually solve this mess the banksters left us in. Certainly you can’t solve this problem by giving more power to a failed class of banksters and corrupt politicians who brought us into this mess in the first place. One must be realy out of his mind to even want to acomplish this, knowing you destroy complete societies and leave their economy in shambles. It happened in Argentina and other countries but now it’s happening in U.S., Great Brittain, Greece, Spain, Portugal and even now in Germany and the Netherlands. Uumployment went up and housing prices declined for an other 4th year after starting in 2008.

    Why not the Tulip Mania solution? Tulip Mania solution meaning: ‘Force Majeure!’ Void debt, stripe away against each other all these bogus paper derivative debts. Because paying off these trough fraud induced debts have become a technical and practical impossibility. Simply stripe away these insane on and off balance sheets debts which were created by and for the banksters not to serve the real economy. These synthetic and non-synthetic derivative weopons of mass destruction are a great danger to society and have to be banned out at any cost. And these costs will easely be reurned by a far better working society in which actually jobs are created.

    There gotto to be an organised “debt moratorium” (term coined by Webster Tarpley) somehow cause one simply can’t solve this debt crises by creating more and more of it. Of course this has to be arranged on the biggestt platform in which all the problem dependent countries can stick there heads together in order to finaly provide us with some real solutions.

    Derivatives are banksters ‘weopons of mass destruction’ attacking countries driving up oil and food prices. These weopons of mass destruction have to be disarmed before they blow us all up. That’s crazy and only will lead us to death and destruction also if these lunatics, again, are able to lead us into WOIII. And nobies’ waiting for that to happen.

  235. MirrorMirror | September 19, 2011 at 8:15 am |

    @Youri … well said :

    Certainly you can’t solve this problem by giving more power to a failed class of banksters and corrupt politicians who brought us into this mess in the first place.

  236. Youri Carma | September 19, 2011 at 8:22 am |

    RECTIFICATION must be: ‘Weapons of mass destruction’

  237. Mattdog | September 19, 2011 at 8:29 am |

    Thank you for surfacing that, Apocalypto. I owe you one. Placed perfectly as if part of a symphony… Snoop Diddy, that is incredible, suddenly, I see that the world has been set free by the necessity of the expediency of the moment, everyone can have a say as to how something may work, or intereact, how can any govt. or regime get in the way of that? Once people really realize how powerful that is, we will start to solve the problems we face in this world without the intereactive arm of corrupt commerce stealing our very livelihood out from under us all.

  238. snoop diddy | September 19, 2011 at 8:31 am |

    @MM,
    just having a go in Foldit now, not sure what Im doing but it seems therapeutic lol.

  239. Youri Carma | September 19, 2011 at 8:34 am |

    IMF Same Exact Four-Step Program

    1.0 Privatization ‘Briberization.’

    2.0 IMF/World Bank capital market deregulation allows investment capital to flow in and out the “Hot Money” cycle.

    3.0 Market-Based Pricing, a fancy term for raising prices on food, water and cooking gas

    3.5 IMF and World Bank call their “poverty reduction strategy”: Free Trade- “The IMF riot.”

  241. MirrorMirror | September 19, 2011 at 8:53 am |

    @Youri … IMF

    One would have hoped by now … that there would have been a discussion in MSM about changing the money system.

    There is a good article here explaining how society is at the mercy of the Banking system, and that 50% of German debtors have considered suicide :

    Isn’t it obvious by now that the Banking System should be changed .. considering that we now have Nations considering whether to commit suicide ?

    http://www.buergerstimme.com/Design2/2011-09/schulden-dem-kreditsystem-ausgeliefert-endstation-suizid/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=schulden-dem-kreditsystem-ausgeliefert-endstation-suizid

    Here is the Google Xlate :

    http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&sl=de&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.buergerstimme.com%2FDesign2%2F2011-09%2Fschulden-dem-kreditsystem-ausgeliefert-endstation-suizid%2F%3Futm_source%3Drss%26utm_medium%3Drss%26utm_campaign%3Dschulden-dem-kreditsystem-ausgeliefert-endstation-suizid

  242. snoop diddy | September 19, 2011 at 8:58 am |

    @Youri,
    I guess there’s no discussion in the MSM about changing the monetary system because they dont even recognise there is a problem in the first place.

  244. MirrorMirror | September 19, 2011 at 9:02 am |

    @snoop … MSM “is” the “Establishment”

    They profit from this system, which is why we hear nothing !

  245. Youri Carma | September 19, 2011 at 9:44 am |

    @MirrorMirror

    Yeah, rightfully so @MaxKeiser called them ‘Suicide Bankers’ and that’s what they are!

    You don’t have to be a brain chirurg to be able to figure that one out. They’ have become more and nore compulsive in their behavior driving the economy off a cliff with their insane auterity measurments, money printing schemes, apocalyptic currency wars in a race to the bottom.

  246. Youri Carma | September 19, 2011 at 10:08 am |

    @MirrorMirror

    Now that the banks are ‘saved’ by public money it indeedy has become a public isue thus a democratic issue. One simply can’t change the constitutian over night without publics’ consent in panic created by the banking cartels. Exactly what anti democratic fascists like Barroso try to do right now. And the ‘Super Congress’ in the U.S. is an other highly disturbing example.

  247. MirrorMirror | September 19, 2011 at 10:15 am |

    @Youri …. “hoping” there’s “hope” ?

    Tory MPs demand referendum on Europe
    David Cameron must call a referendum on Europe or face a rebellion from his own party and a backlash from voters, a leading back-bench Tory warns today.

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/eu/8772588/Tory-MPs-demand-referendum-on-Europe.html

    EU – Britain Wants Out?

    http://www.thedailybell.com/2964/EU-Britain-Wants-Out

    Of course, it won’t change the monetary system , but looking at the way the German Pirate Party got 9% of the Berlin votes ( starting from 0% ), and MSM calls it the “Internet Party” … will hopefully make more people read Internet articles on the monetary system.

    The FDP tried to get back on the Bandwagon by going 100% anti-Euro .. too late though … only 1.8% in Berlin.

    The good side is that it seems the younger Germans in particular are making “Changes” to the Established Parties … by bringing them down.

  248. MirrorMirror | September 19, 2011 at 10:17 am |

    Tony Blair ‘visited Libya to lobby for JP Morgan’

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/tony-blair/8772418/Tony-Blair-visited-Libya-to-lobby-for-JP-Morgan.html

    LOL … that should please Max … and me !
    ;-)