The ruling class plays us for chumps using the science card. Natural science is ‘wrong’ because of the flying spaghetti monster or the Loch Ness monster, or some other mirage disproves it. Whereas economics, a ‘science’ that really is a Loch Ness monster of nonsense proves the need for wealth confiscating ploys like CDS, CDO’s, VAR, central bank fraud, etc. In both cases: as in the case of ‘science doesn’t exist but the Loch Ness monster does,’ and the case of ‘science does exist in economics and that’s why we can predict our need to confiscate your wealth,’ the end result is the same; upward drift of power to the top. To right this wrong, take the opposite position. Evolution is real and the efficient market theory and other economic pseudo science is false. If the masses adopted these truths; wealth and power would flow in the opposite direction, from the top to middle and bottom.
UPDATE:
I notice that most (nearly all) of the comments are defending the ‘reality’ of myths and the sanctity of religious, misplaced piety and none are questioning the fake science of economics. This proves my point. Most people are getting played for chumps on two fronts: they are being drawn into cartoon religious debates that question unequivocal scientific truth while simultaneously having their pockets picked via economic ‘science’ that has no validity, and has proven to be an unmitigated disaster, yet very few question it. You should be afraid of Paul Krugman and stop obsessing over Jesus. You should be demanding freedom from Wall St. tyranny and stop trying to ignore AGW (because it might mean taking some responsibility for yourself).
Newsflash to Liberals: Exactly one half of the population is below average intelligence. They can barely run their own lives, much less be good leaders or significant contributors. Liberal democracy past a certain small scale is impossible, as has been proved over the last several hundred years the world over. Only liberals won’t understand these simple, obvious facts.
And a Real Shocker: Religion is a real human need. It gives meaning and direction to everyone everyday. It has always existed the world over and will never disappear. Some people, like Max & Stacy, believe in man-made global warming, some people believe that immortal, unseen forces create/move the world.
Leftists/liberals/Marxists are intolerant haters. If you don’t believe in their ridiculous “spaghetti monster” gods of multiculturalism, equality, and global warming, they will say and do the most hateful things to you in the most vicious way. They are at war with the truths of the universe and are always perverting the natural order to prove their goofy theories. They cause more war, poverty, and general unhappiness than all natural disasters ever could. They make life a living hell.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n5UkQ7T4PH0&feature=related
Cat in the Hat
Vat, shat. Now cat
Wears the hat. Spat,
Shows claws, withdraws.
Sanctity without laws:
Kitty litter paws.
Walker never knew
The love called true.
Born again in time
With the moody’s blue.
Sad to tell, the tale of
Due. If a picture paints
A thousand words, then
Where is hope? Dope,
It resides with the Lord.
Your fear is separate.
Your fear maintains
The difference of shame.
The songbird is the host
Of nature’s game. And
Nature, herself speaks.
Never knew dread. Her
Bed is with peace. Her hope
Is always being. She knew
All along the song of truth:
Laughter making rhymes.
VAT won’t work. Money that is debt-based only compounds interest for those who never really knew how to make harmony happen. Cacophony is a noise-based redundancy whose term of endearment is over.
ACE will serve these children very well. It is an excellent system. We used it in our family and I can thoroughly recommend it. Even if you accept the theory of evolution as fact you could still use the ACE system and give your kids alternative views when you felt it was needed.
Survival of the fittest is one of the sinful philosophies that is killing our society. A little more, no a lot more, adherence to principles like “Thou shalt not steal” is what we need. Our politicians, our bankers, all of us need one thing and it’s not religion. What we need is a complete change of heart and that’s only possible through faith in Jesus Christ and His blood atoning sacrifice.
The Finance Ministry is composed of vampire bats hanging upside down, oh, Speckly Four-Eyes.
Well, it seems we’re short.
How much?
1000000000000000000000000.
What number is that?
March to Pretoria and ask! O! March I say!
Good Lord, so many zeros.
Buddhist monk goes hell
http://theoryofeverythingcomics.com/god/DM/DM_01.htm
Buddhists are boring. Don’t you think so?
I mean, all they do is sit around and hope for nothing. Rather like some bankers that one hears tell as oracles. What orafice relates that debt is money?
Then when no one listens they insist they have the right to fly airplanes or send drones to bomb innocent people. All for the love of words, mind you.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY2CZ0GYUHY
Whatever happened to Supergeek?!
haha Snoot
Can’t say I know enough of them personally ;D
@ frances snoot | June 26, 2012 at 9:33 pm |
—Buddhists are boring. Don’t you think so?—-
—I mean, all they do is sit around and hope for nothing. —-
hmmm, yeah, … makes me think the 99% may all be Buddhists??
brainwashed by the Dalai Lama over decades ????
http://youtu.be/2OcvFCa4tFw
I don’t know about Nessie but after you’ve listened to this music which was posted on the David Icke site today you will believe in reptilains. Frigging brilliant.
Trouble is it’s so funky it might make people into reptilian fans
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RpMMr5urvF4&feature=player_embedded
If people choose to believe in religious superstitions, that is their choice, but education should be kept free of it. Let children decide what to believe for themselves, when they are old enough to form their own opinions, without propagandising them as infants. I look back now on the church and bible class meetings of my childhood, and am amazed how i just accepted it all, because some adult said it was true. So many kids never get around to questioning it at all, and just pass the infection on to the next generations.
I do hope Specky4eyes is being ironic.
How much longer will men wear Windsor knots tied about their necks? Hasn’t done them much good, and they look rather silly.
Well, dah-link. The Windsor knot being a form of business at-tire, of, course, you’d know nothing of it.
They’re stupid.
Suits set a man apart form the woman. Wee-men delight in our difference.
Whatever.
We’ve led the world to this blight, I mean bright, stage. Now we have needs only to manage the gap.
Jump.
It’s a big gap.
Fly.
No, we mean to manage through mere verbiage as always. Now, if you’d be so kind to tell me if my tie is the proper length.
It’s your call.
Well, I think it is rather. My cuff-links being the more important point to all gent-eel wear.
O!
Yes, well, time to order drinks. I’m off. Tootles.
Puff and nonsense as usual.
@ Robbie
“Thou shalt not steal.”
What’s to disagree with?
@frances snoot, Buddhists practice a none violent none interference policy and theres a lot to be said for that. But it didnt stop the ultra quiet and friendly buddhist people of Laos getting bombed in the ‘Secret War’ that spewed over from another (partial) buddhist country namely Vietnam.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laotian_Civil_War
http://theadvocate.com/news/3100602-123/two-schools-under-scrutiny
@ Robbie777 | June 26, 2012 at 10:46 pm |
—-If people choose to believe in religious superstitions, that is their choice, but education should be kept free of it. Let children decide what to believe for themselves, when they are old enough to form their own opinions, without propagandising them as infants. I look back now on the church and bible class meetings of my childhood, and am amazed how i just accepted it all, because some adult said it was true. So many kids never get around to questioning it at all, and just pass the infection on to the next
generations.—-
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! …IMHO!
f.e. I was brought up/educated in a convent – better education etc…” (my mom wanted it for me) … my dad agreed and payed for it all, but always presented the “other” side of all this to me and made me stronger and kept me critical and immune for “brainwashing”
That grew and shaped a perfect symbiosis to deal with all the “antagonisms” at times for me … staying pretty free in mind! 
… some serious fights with the nons included!
( beat them within their own dogma!)
I won!
OTOH … I wouldn´t wanna miss any of my experiences and time at school there ….
I loved it most of the time … fantastic area/campus ++++++
but I was LUCKY to have such parents to “work” any dogma!!!!! … and keep me
straight and/or open …. but to what I wanna do or believe in …..
Thank you Max! A declaration of war against the neoliberals who dress up an ideology as a science and use it to declare war against everyone else. In the end, that is the real fight.
The modern neoliberal “plan of action”…
http://www.rt.com/news/latin-arab-spring-power-783/
Written by Adrian Salbuchi. I hope he isn’t a douchebag…
The ‘word?’ of ‘God?’ is lost and abused in the words of ‘Religion?’
The ‘word?’ of ‘Truth?’ is lost and abused in the words of ‘Government?’
The ‘word?’ of ‘Democracy?’ is lost and abused in the words of ‘Wall St.?’
…We are all hopeful hypnotised chickens…none of us know anything.
Conservatives are disgusting anti-American fascists who force the taxpayer to pay for their stupidity-creating religion. Liberals and radicals and leftwingers should raid this school and their legislators offices and demand back every single dime of their tax dollars given to these religious schools.
Neoliberalism in South America (the title is “The U.S. Policy of Democracy Promotion in Latin America” but it is neoliberalism in action, which is a global infestation). Just click on the link to download the pdf…
http://commons.emich.edu/honors/148/
“Ironically, enduring dictatorships…emerged in countries where the US actively intervened. In places where the US asserted little influence such as Costa Rica, Chile and Venezuela, democracies flourished.”
Of course Chomsky and Klein have written about it all before.
@Alf
Brainf**ked chickens, please. ;–)
@ Alf
—none of us know anything.—-
none of us????
… I think you´re right!
—-”We are all hopeful hypnotized chickens”—–
but… all?
Reserve currency comes from the trade route (featuring silverfuturist)
http://youtu.be/ZLUBHWGtmoE
Cluck cluck
Πᾶσά τε ἐπιστήμη χωριζομένη δικαιοσύνης καὶ τῆς ἄλλης ἀρετῆς πανουργία οὐ σοφία φαίνεται.
Every science separated from justice and the rest of virtues seems to be wiliness and not wisdom.
Plato
I despise writing about a religion, that claims –just to mention an example– that one of its “saints” (st. Nicolas, if I remember well) as a baby never drunk milk from his mother’s breast, when it was Wednesday or Friday… I will only say this to them: The people that have been caught in the loathsome trap of religion have no legitimacy of expressing their opinion about science, because they know nothing about science or because their purpose is deceitful (depending on each case). They are the continuers of those who once burned the scientists alive, they would do the same even today, if they had the power to do so, and they will do the same, if they are ever given this power. But it seems that Evolution is hurting them, because it proves that what they believe in is a huge lie. By the way Evolution is not a theory, but proven, scientific fact.
As about Economy: The word is composite from the Hellenic words “οἶκος” (transcr. oékos = house) and “νόμος” (transcr. nómos = law). So we have οἶκος + νόμος –> οἰκονομία –> economy, and economy was at first the science that studied how to rule and organize one’s house. Later it came to mean the science of ruling and organizing the whole state. The main difference between Hellenic economy and economy today is that the first one contained not only finance (money) but every aspect of organization, for example how to build a city in order to be functional to the maximum extent.
All these issue as long as it remains a science, which means free of any kind of ideological guidance. When the economist, the minister of economics etc. does not falsify the pure economic data and laws with his subjective opinion, ideology, belief or purpose. A perfect example of purpose falsifying the economic science is what is happening with the countries of South Europe plus Ireland. The lenders are imposing the borrowers measures that destroy them, supposedly in order to “purge their economy” (that ’s what the propaganda says), but in fact in order to keep them under controll and to plunder their wealth. But the usurers should be careful. Falsifying science in order to achieve their goals means that they rape the Truth, from which all kinds of Science are born. It means that they disregard the Muses (*), the guardians of the Sciences, and Apollo, their leader. Their lawless passion for money and power and their foolish, arrogant idea of superiority are certain signs of their confused minds and blurred sight. They commit Hubris. And Hubris is always followed by Nemesis.
* I ’m only writing this figuratively, so I hope no one thinks that I ’m a religious man (of any religion).
When will mankind finally evolve into the intelligent species it claims to be I wonder…
Brainwashing children into scientifically demonstrably wrong nonsense..groan..
From Planetsave.com flatfish story :
““This is a profound discovery which clearly shows that intermediate fossil forms, which according to certain creationist theories shouldn’t exist, are regularly turning up as scientists keep looking for them,” said Dr. John Long of the Natural History Museum of LA County”
Yep – evolution is real, provable and you can forget Nessie for good.
And what would that Evolution might be,bloodsucking Freaks,Hold that train,please,beam me up Scoty,its crowded down here!
@Rusty
Being below the 100 mark on the IQ scale (100 is defined as average on the test and re-calibrated all the time) does not make you an idoit.
What makes people idiots is the shit they’re fed all throughout their lives..
Treat people like idiots and you will get idiots.
(I bet if you used today’s calibration of 100 IQ score on the top philosophers and scholars of ancient times they would ‘be below average intelligence’, not because they are stupid but because of the way the IQ test works and how it takes in current ‘common’ knowledge)
I have been frequenting David Ickes website of late, seeing him as an articulate critic, and watching him state many of the same things you read in this, and other economic blogs free of the control of the corporate media.
No, I don’t believe the elites are reptilian aliens as Ickes does, but I do see what David Ickes represents as a phenomenon in this time of class warfare against the secular elites..
David is basically a New-Age Prophet, of sorts, mixing the sensible with the bizarre, but I think his ascent is a reflection of the failure of organized Christianity to address or create a proper narrative as to how to address the ongoing destructive manipulation of mankind by priests, or their modern incarnation (bankers and technocrats). Ickes is quite correct when he points out that this kind of scam has been going on a long, long time..
The tragedy is that Jesus represented the same kind of attempt to raise consciousness, against manipulation. The insights he had were from a religious tradition, but his message was watered down and turned to the ends of the very sort of people he was railing against. However, there was no internet back then. This time may be different.
Across the world, secular societies, technologically astute but morally bankrupt, face their opposite, religious factions with passion, but lacking scientific capabilities and instincts. The religious groups are often repressive in their own way, but offer myth as a pallative to the perceived cold materialism and corruption of secular societies.
So, Muslim Brotherhood faces Western (secular) planted leader (Assad) in Eygpt as one example.
Then in China, the spiritual Falun Gong arises out of nothing in 1992, to face the sterility of a westernized secular China.
In Britain, (De-Christianized like most of Europe since WWII), a rising New Age contender, David Ickes, leads a motley group of spiritulists, mediums and mystics to take on the secular Globalists, a.k.a. The New World Order.
Everywhere, the pattern is the same, driven by the psychology of the Human Species.
Those people demanding a religion free world, take note: it can’t work. Most reform movements have a religious core, even if they’re unconventional and occasionally harsh in other ways….
Two corrections of the above, Assad is in Syria, and Egypt had Mubarak..but you get my point….Assad and Mubarak are both secular leaders of the West facing Muslim opposition..
I think that the best that we can do is teach critical thinking and sound logic … scientific reasoning follows, based on the evidence before us. All else, not within our personal experience and purview, is conjecture.
A problem is that most of us do not have direct personal experience of anything that the media or educational system reports on and so we have no way of verifying such statements as facts. The internet has allowed a lot of cross referencing to so called authorities but even that is no substitute for the direct primary experience of the person. Until one has come to that experience or understanding themselves (even of scientific ‘truths’), their knowledge is faith based.
Mostly, people live and operate with the faith that the political and economic leaders won’t screw their lives up too much and so they just don’t care (or don’t have time to find out) what they do. So we get the markets and economy we’ve got.
Terence Mckenna denounces Relativism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OX77Qv66qw
Only a mind controlled dupe still believes in evolution as described by Darwin – it’s SO EASY to debunk it’s laughable
Check out the work of Ken Wilber for the most sophisticated approach to modern evolutionary theory.
“…and so we have no way of verifying such statements as facts.”
Well – actually we do have a way but it would require getting off our asses and finding out for ourselves and living our own life. What are the odds of that so long as there is food in the refrigerator and gas in the car and entertainment on the computer or TV? ;-p
I don’t think scientists are as magnanimous as TM indicates but science does seem to work better than religion at presenting a world view that makes greater sense than superstition.
Terence McKenna – Science & Religion
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAmRe5hEz4w&feature=related
@Jayme – I loves me some Terence McK, thanks for the links. Here’s some good ones I’ve been into lately..
Manly P Hall – Turn off the TV!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-oEEWqdgAF0 This guy is pure gold
Mark Passio – What on earth is happening
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bw4FpSA0BtI I have learned a lot from this man
What will it take to end this moronic belief, that will essentially insure the destruction of our future? Must we resort to mass hangings? Why do we continue to allow these morons to destroy the minds of our future generations with these ridiculous magical fantasies, and using taxpayer money to do it? Its not just the school vouchers, but tax money goes toward advancing the growth of these religeous beliefs, and at the same time those organizations pay no taxes while they organize to undermine the political and social processes in the country.
They are raising a generation of idiots, who will not know how to read a math formula or understand even simple newtonian concepts or much else of value. They will be unable to function in modern society and looked upon later in life as freaks, and not worth saving in times of crisis. Talk about dumbing down the students in our school systems!
Louisiana is 3rd from the bottom in math and science – no kidding?! And that’s in a country that is already way down on a global scale from other developed nations !
And how about the “noah’s ark” theme park in Virginia? Great idea there, huh?
Care, charity and kindness (or “do unto others…”, etc.) have nothing to do with religeon – they are founded in a sense of justice.
The TRUE REASON humanity is enslaved & what is true freedom…
http://whatonearthishappening.com/news/293-mark-interviewed-on-down-the-rabbit-hole-with-popeye-june-22-2012
“No one knows the truth”
Are you sure that’s true?
Jesus taught very simple elegant moral principals,
tis’ a shame they get jumbled up in claptrappery
that denigrates them.
@realaveraageamerican. “They are raising a generation of idiots, who will not know how to read a math formula or understand even simple newtonian concepts or much else of value.”
That statement proves that you have no knowledge of ACE mathematics.
And this statement….”They will be unable to function in modern society and looked upon later in life as freaks, and not worth saving in times of crisis. Talk about dumbing down the students in our school systems!” …..perfectly describes state education in the UK.
Talcott. I see you have opted for the pick ‘n’ mix Jesus rather than the real Jesus who confirmed the truth of the Old testament.
The claptrappery that you speak of is man made religion. That’s not true christianity. Jesus alone.
Specky
you are ignorant of my spiritual life
I suggest you engage in dialogue before you assume things….
The claptrapery I refer to is the article Max linked.(schools using wacky stories to validate hyperbolic mistaken exegesis)
http://www.blueletterbible.org/Bible.cfm?b=Mat&c=7&t=NLT#3
I love Yeshua. I know the world will be a wonderful place when people choose to become congruent with his message. However I find the history of humanity’s spirituality Rich. A discourse between these points of view beneficial to all with open truth seeking prayerful minds. And in the end at this point I agree with this young lady(though I’ve never had such an intense spiritually transformative experience)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbWvZ7iONNs&feature=player_embedded
This lady has a very very interesting tale(s) to tell….
http://www.dancingpastthedark.com/
I forgot this one…
The word of science is lost and abused in the words of ‘corporate profit?’
Sing Songs
Glass Harp-Song of Hope…does a early seventies prog blues groove get fatter than this?
I think not…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgoH-FLcMVg
I think of this song some times when people insist their dogma is the only puddle in show…. yes the righteous groove is present, and the solos at the end …jaw dropping.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRXepz-AaSE
I sometimes imagine God being the singer, to every human heart many of the lines of this song…and the (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melisma) he puts in at 1:19….delightful.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCW1i5HQ0o0
Talcott. Apologies for misunderstanding your post.
Afraid of what did you call him Max?(not too far off imo) …a salon monkey(if my memory serves me correctly)
I’ll pass -.-
Everyone who is here question’s economics Max, otherwise they wouldn’t be here. Chumps hardly…. is boycotting Coke going to stop the bankstards ? Has people buying silver? Maybe we can prevent CDO’s from being sold by rising up …
to ……
where?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ykpwr8K3M4
Religions deprive and sell us our own soul. If you sell your soul to the devil at least you get something out of it, god was made up to make you hate yourself so a preacher can ask you please him or ‘god won’t love you’..
The only cure can come from a new culture in which people start loving themselves before anybody can teach them to hate and doubt themselves.
Stacy want to participate in the climatebabe micro competition?
http://www.climatebabes.com/competition.php?CID=30
MAX KEISER !!!
I’m with you on this 100% !!!!
@Jayme ……… Thanks for the McKenna link. Not that I am a fan of his or of anybody, but this video was short and on target.
Rusty up at the top was is a pretty good example of what McKenna was talking about. He started right out by redefining liberal, then made the unprovable claim that “Religion is a real human need.” , moved on to a false equivalence “Leftists/liberals/Marxists” and then blamed everything on them.
Rusty probably feels pretty good about himself and his post, but I would not want him to be the pilot on my next flight or even the mechanic that works on my daughters car.
Good update, Max!
Talcot, Did you know that IUSA, an emanation of Horus (God to you) IUSA the KRST was born of a Virgin on the 25th. Deceember (Winter Solstice). The Virgin’s name was IsisMery. When he was 12 he taught in the Temple and he was baptised at age 30 by Anup the Baptiser. Anup the Baptiser was beheaded. He had 12 companions and he healed the sick and raised the dead. He was crucified, died and was buried in a tomb of rock. He was ressusrrected and so on.
Christianity was the religion of ancient Egytp. It has and had nothing at all to do with any other people, and not Judeans or Hebrews!
Nevertheless KRST (which means “The Anointed.”) is REAL. It is a great pity for people who do not understand the actual message of Christianity.
It is bout Reality, Nature, peace compassion. The Sermon on the Mount is now thought to have originated with Tutankhamun!
People should read books like “The Bible Unearthed.” by Israel Finkelstein, professor of archaeology at Tel Aviv. There was no “exodus”, no Moses (unless they meant Akenaten who seems to have been mad) there was no Solomon, no temple – except for a DESCRIPTION of an EGYPTIAN temple in the Old Testament! There MAY have been a David but he was no grand king, that is for sure. The story about Abraham, like the story about “David” is from the mythology of the Syrians.
It’s true that Secular societies haven’t cornered the market on corruption or cruelty, but while religions and cults come and go, the secular world is always the long term survivor, as it’s basis is stronger. Being that this is a material world, as Madonna would say :}, Materialism is here to stay. But it can’t reform itself without external challengers, who must always represent the “Other”. As Hegel pointed out, history is a dialectic, of thesis, antithesis, and hopefully, synthesis. The David Icke’s and Falun Gong’s (and other cults) will come and go, and disappear into time, but flash in the pan movements like these, collectively, will represent the main challenge to the current order, driving reform. Others, like Alex Jones, try to resurrect Christian values to defeat the financial class, but Christianity has been weakened.
Christianity’s overall problems with producing reform come from high identification of Christian values with the values of the American Empire. Jesus as portrayed was anti-Empire and anti-Zionist. Fundamentalist Christianity has been mostly reabsorbed by Judiasm, which is imperialistic and violent. Also, because of this, the rage against the money-lenders Jesus expressed is not taken as an “action point”. Christianity has mostly been “neutered”. So other cults and movements are arising to (1) challenge secular society’s core justification, and (2), as a vehicle to pull down current specific policies and leaders.
The main point, is that ‘values’ are rarely purely ‘cerebral’ in most people. Values are tied to religious ideas and precepts. It’s probably in the DNA of most people.
It’s not the most efficient way to go, and has severe problems of it’s own, but this seems to be what you see in history. People are animals in the end, with their own given biological circuitry.
Evolutionists draw very clever cartoons – chimps straightening up, “family” trees, fetal similarities, etc. It’s an odd preoccupation for a group sworn to “call it as they see it”. But I wish they would extend to us skeptics the courtesy of a new cartoon – one that shows how random atoms colliding in space form a single living cell. I mean, we might as well start at square one.
Louisiana is a slightly special case. They’re just stupid. (My wife excepted, of course, she’s from Shreveport, La. :} )
O.T.
Assailants attack Microsoft HQ in Athens
http://www.barchart.com/headlines/story.php?id=5292356
I think they’ve just had one too many “blue screens of death”. It’ll get to you after a while…
Astrae,
And this Horus taught people to love each other? To be humble gentle and forgiving?
I am not a “orthodox christian” by any stretch of the imagination.
My 3 passion in life in no particular order
1)Music, 2)Comparative Philosophy/Mythology/Spirituality 3)Naturally well endowed intelligent brunettes(yes i’m weak 
)
I was trying to communicate something very specific to Specky, you somehow confused me with someone brainwashed by the ‘solar cultist’s’ mayhaps, I dunno…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P17f5ypqcmI
Keiser wouldn’t know “unequivical scientific truth” if it bit him on the ass. Debunking Darwin has nothing to do with religion – in fact, Darwinism IS a religion.
It is hard to take AGW seriously when I had to put the quilt back on my bed last ight because it was so darn cold and this in the first week of summer!!!
@ Keehotee
There is no such thing as Darwinism, and you slaughtered the definition of religion. So here is the definition.
noun
1.
a set of beliefs concerning the cause, nature, and purpose of the universe, especially when considered as the creation of a superhuman agency or agencies, usually involving devotional and ritual observances, and often containing a moral code governing the conduct of human affairs.
source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/religion
Your leaders are trying to keep you ignorant by making language itself ambiguous so that logical thought becomes impossible. They purpose of doing this is to acquire power and privilege………. Sucker
If we are all god’s children, wha’s s special about jesus?
“It has served us well, this myth of Christ” – Pope Leo X.
Thanks Keehotee, I enjoy MP Hall and am unfamiliar with the other person. I’ll listen to your links later.
@Talcott…I had to smile when you placed, ‘Naturally well endowed’ before
‘Intelligent’…I fully understand what you mean…Lol.
Max, do not be confused by phony religion! it’s a business like any other!
http://vedabase.net/bg/17/12/en
@Blow In -
Darwinian beliefs qualify as a religion under your stated definition. The cause is chance, the nature is random and gradual, and the purpose is NONE (ridiculous). the meaning of the term Darwinism is obvious to this discussion – so it in fact does exist, despite not being in your little online dictionary… oh, look what I found
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darwinism
“You should be afraid of Paul Krugman and stop obsessing over Jesus. ”
That’s rich coming from someone who has basically sold out to the right wing extremists.
Look at the links to the right for proof of this fact. Every one of them is either right wing extremist or very close to it. The whole gold thing is proof on its own. Gold is a favorite of the right and Max has bought it hook line and sinker.
Krugman has issues but at least he does not confuse gold for god or believe that gold is our salvation as Max seems to think.
I suspect this is a pearls before swine scenario, but anyone interested in the laws which TRULY govern nature should have a look at this..
http://www.kybalion.org/kybalion.php
I have to disagree with the “Update” you (Stacy or Max) wrote regarding the “majority” of comments defending this illegal unconstitutional and hence criminal stealing of the American tax dollar to pay for a cult school that lies about the facts of life: evolution, Anthropogenic Global Warming (AGW), the Holocaust. I see the majority of comments on the side of aggressive reason, intelligence, and the scientific method. Yes, of course, there will always be the most ignorant (i.e. conservative) who makes their rant heard the first. But, that is because they know nothing they say has any value.
Since we know any fence-sitters are not going to earn degrees in biology and run to their nearest universities to start accessing the peer-reviewed science journals from the libraries there that one does NOT have access on the intenet (for the most part), because good science / good information costs money, it is easy enough to send them to youtube channels like TheLivingDinosaur, thunderf00t, concordance (those os should be zeroes – not sure why zeros come out like the letter o here), greenman3610, climatecrocks, skepticalscience, and potholer54 to get a good introduction to the science of evolution and AGW.
Keehotee – that link was just a bunch of ancient-new-age babble. Stop pretending that it has anything to teach us about “reality”. Stop arrogantly pretending whoever made that stuff up “knows” any more about unsolved mysteries than any scientist today. On the subject of things which scientists have not proved, everyone’s opinion is equally valid and equally ignorant. However, on matters which scientists have proved, scientists have done the hard work.
Blow – in: excellent response regarding Darwin to the colossal arrogant stupidity of Keehotee, who has never studied or done any hard work. They are too stupid to comprehend that science requires repetitive practice, just like learning an instrument or acquiring any skill, like engineering or computer programming or mathematical modeling. So, until they have gone through it, they have zero right to judge it. Bottom line: scientists and I can read (and write) endless prose, with a jumble of morals and unfalsifiable statements about the universe mixed in, but they cannot do science and engineering.
Autonomous Statelessness … Autonomy, purpose, mastery … Within the extremeley powerful, natural system … It just could be that we are amateur scientist, cradle to grave.
Knowledge is gained, stacked, unstacked and achieved . Simplicity is a requirement of the first order … We seem to known what it does, but do we know what it is? A person of genius status, has recently come up with “simplicity means you just can not fuck it up”!
So do you think it wise to keep a low profile? You may think that what I say makes sence, and you can base some specific action on it …fine; it is however just an interval. The power of the natural system fresh accurate information as your heart beats. Perhaps that is why leadership or “being smart” is interval based. Keep the your possessions low … U have a planet, a galaxy, to care for and sove problems within. Keep it simple!
Talcot – No, I did not confuse what you said – I was just taking the opportunity to tell you and anyone who might be interested that Christianity is not a two thousand year old cult. It is so old no one knows where it came from. How could they know since it is about Reality? It comes from deep inside us and it is about our own natures and our World, our Natural World. It is useless trying to explain. One understands or does not. I wish more of understood because it is the way to freedom and happiness.
ps. I am Buddhist – and it is really much the same, I think.
@MAX re: UPDATE:
I notice that most (nearly all) of the comments are defending the ‘reality’ of myths
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Darwin was a founding member of the nwo . one can NOT take him at his word any more than one can take the oto (old world order) on theres!! in point of FACT we have reached a “paradigm shift” that extends across the entire human knowledge base. in that ALL lies in all disciplines have run to there absurd conclusions!!! take an accual look out side your box , stop taking others “expertise” as gospel they have taken falshoods as truth at minimum! as epicycle on top of epicycle has added “compound error” to the knoledge base it’s self EXAMPLE: all darwin wanted was to justify “eugenics” wich he does in a follow up to the book he is more popualry known for! THAT book contains a list of races …. humans with “undesirable traits to be eliminated from the over all population irish, scotts, basques , and slavs are at the top!(survival of the fittest my ass an astroid don’t care how FIT you are your extinct if your any where near where it hit same for volcanos) LOOK AROUND dude there are no ACCUAL scotts left in scottland (those dances are in fact welsh) Robroy’s kids lived out there adulthood in self imposed exile in france having finaly lost every thing and ended up on the wrong side of the law………….. need i go on? potato famin anyone? how are the Basques these days? how many slavs did comunisim kill off? politics , econimics, astronimy , cosmology ALL of science is influenced by these butterfly efects leveraged in to our knowledge base and it is enabled by this dependence on those out side your box for information from inside THERE box! a highschool chemesrty class teaches enuff about science to under stand not only that agw is a fraud but HOW that fraud is sustained, “EPICYCLES” the hall mark of dogmatic control of information or lies on top of lies on top of lies and a new equivocation added as needed to maintain the status quo!
these shifts are caused as accual experience gives the lie to the built up dogma the ptb have added to the original lies that the ptb use to scam scocity with there cosmological ponzi schemes
@ nanotech guy…… Well thanks, but I thought it was a bit shabby after rereading it. I should have said “Darwinism as practiced as a religion does not exist.” or something to that effect. I’ll keep practicing.
Poor old Darwin. He ended up taking the abuse for stating what was becoming increasingly obvious as the evidence accumulated. Wallace was all over it, but Walliceism doesn’t sound as good as Darwinism and doesn’t look right when it is spelled.
Once again religion beliefs can never be substantiated since often only linear causal relationships are drawn. Beliefs cannot be falsified because of their emotionally not intellectually driven determinants. I can believe in the tooth fairy if I choose, whether the tooth fairy exists to a believer is irrelevant. And this is where ALL belief fails the reality test. All religions including Buddhism are cult based since they require a strong element of faith in favour of abandoning when it seems fit reason and thinking. They require all too often blind subordination devoid of any evidence to support why you would continue in following their script or scripture.
But due to the dependent, self-absorbed and father figure seeking nature of the majority of true believers anything that upsets that something supernatural and beyond them is not in control seriously creates out of control emotions in them. At least with nature we have the ability to measure and assess real world active phenomenon and although human judgement might be impaired, at least we are dealing with the reality of the said moment and time. Christians throw out evidence in favour of emotional narcissism in the hopes that the fantasy just might hold water at least this time. Human induced climate manipulation obviously is not fantasy as pollution in China certainly signifies but we tend to abandon responsibility if we choose to ‘believe’ we are limited in what we can do. I only agree with the position that Max and Stacy have taken because fact, evidence and laws of nature cannot be dismissed summarily because you hold onto childish notions of how you want, think, or feel life should be. And since most people will be ignorant and lazy and Christian or a believer in something or another I don’t expect many people to accept that we need to be as responsible as nature calls on people to be. Nature’s only purpose is to continue, but of course we as humans seem to love to want to put a stop to that. All it would take is global nuke war and well that would be the end of all of us and all religion and belief to boot.
Oink Oink nanotech guy – your angry, pissy response indicates your fear that the principals of Natural Law may actually apply to YOU – they do. The amount of suffering you will incur figuring that out is entirely up to you. Good luck in playing out your douche bag persona – slave.
Astrea….i think you may confuse my perspective… there may be more harmony between our paradigms than you stipulate.
@ Max, “You should be afraid of Paul Krugman and stop obsessing over Jesus. ”
You couldn’t be more wrong Max.
Matthew 10:28
And fear not them which kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear Him which is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.