GOP social policy is dictated by their selective reading of the Bible, says Andrew Sullivan; and now its economic policy is dictated by the Tea Party wing that certainly demands those Biblical social policies but then demands Austrian School (or so they say) and Objectivism as economic policy. The two are so irreconciliable (as both Rand and Mises said) that somewhere somehow someone is lying.
Ayn Rand on libertarian/religionists:
“The trouble with the world today is philosophical: only the right philosophy can save us. But this party [Libertarian] plagiarizes some of my ideas, mixes them with the exact opposite — with religionists, anarchists and every intellectual misfit and scum they can find—and call themselves libertarians and run for office.”
Ayn Rand on abortion:
Abortion is a moral right—which should be left to the sole discretion of the woman involved; morally, nothing other than her wish in the matter is to be considered. Who can conceivably have the right to dictate to her what disposition she is to make of the functions of her own body?
and:
Never mind the vicious nonsense of claiming that an embryo has a “right to life.” A piece of protoplasm has no rights—and no life in the human sense of the term. One may argue about the later stages of a pregnancy, but the essential issue concerns only the first three months. To equate a potential with an actual, is vicious; to advocate the sacrifice of the latter to the former, is unspeakable. . . . Observe that by ascribing rights to the unborn, i.e., the nonliving, the anti-abortionists obliterate the rights of the living: the right of young people to set the course of their own lives. The task of raising a child is a tremendous, lifelong responsibility, which no one should undertake unwittingly or unwillingly. Procreation is not a duty: human beings are not stock-farm animals. For conscientious persons, an unwanted pregnancy is a disaster; to oppose its termination is to advocate sacrifice, not for the sake of anyone’s benefit, but for the sake of misery qua misery, for the sake of forbidding happiness and fulfillment to living human beings.
Ludwig von Mises on Jesus and Christianity:
[Jesus] rejects everything that exists without offering anything to replace it. . . . The clearest modern parallel to the attitude of complete negation of primitive Christianity is Bolshevism. (Socialism, p. 413)
and
Jesus’s words are full of resentment against the rich, and the Apostles are no meeker in this respect. The Rich Man is condemned because he is rich, the Beggar praised because he is poor…. In God’s Kingdom the poor shall be rich, but the rich shall be made to suffer. Later revisers have tried to soften the words of Christ against the rich … but there is quite enough left to support those who incite the world to hatred of the rich, revenge, murder and arson…. This is a case in which the Redeemer’s words bore evil seed. More harm has been done, and more blood shed, on account of them than by the persecution of heretics and the burning of witches. They have always rendered the Church defenceless against all movements which aim at destroying human society.” (Socialism, p. 420)
Christianity “cannot, it seems, exist side by side with Capitalism. Just as in the case of Eastern religions, Christianity must either overcome Capitalism or go under.”
And note that Mises also said that one cannot have the free markets the Tea Party claims to want without totally free borders across which humans (black, brown and white), labor and capital must be free to travel if free markets and liberty should exist at all. And yet a major element of their platform is far more militarization of the border; which means by definition they cannot be Austrian School as defined by Mises.
Many of those who came to our site over the past few days from Mises.org were hee-hawing about the great Gary North; oh this great Austrian economist, who claims Mises as his economic inspiration and whose writings can be found often on Mises.org.
If you want to know what the future looks like when blending biblical social policies with their warped interpretation of Mises look no further:
According to Gary North (who is the son in law of Rushdooney), women who have abortions should be publicly executed, “along with those who advised them to abort their children.” Rushdoony concludes: “God’s government prevails, and His alternatives are clear-cut: either men and nations obey His laws, or God invokes the death penalty against them.” Reconstructionists insist that “the death penalty is the maximum, not necessarily the mandatory penalty.” . . .
The Biblically approved methods of execution include burning (at the stake for example), stoning, hanging, and “the sword.” Gary North, the self-described economist of Reconstructionism, prefers stoning because, among other things, stones are cheap, plentiful, and convenient. Punishments for non-capital crimes generally involve whipping, restitution in the form of indentured servitude, or slavery. Prisons would likely be only temporary holding tanks, prior to imposition of the actual sentence.
So – you can pretend that insulting these men is insulting Mises, but I will continue to read the man’s works without requiring Mullah Omar to interpret it for me. And we will continue to ask questions about what sort of ‘freedom’ these self-professed disciples of von Mises want to bring you. And you can continue to shriek all you want claiming we are ‘statists’ and don’t understand ‘natural law’ (ignoring the fact, of course, that Christian Reconstructionists like Gary North oppose natural law theory as a basis for civil law order) for our being concerned about a Mises quoting Taliban in America; but hey, I’d like to know if Mises was a stoner.
- Stacy Herbert
***UPDATE**: Theocratic Libertarianism: Quotes from Gary North, Ludwig von Mises Institute Scholar
So let us be blunt about it: we must use the doctrine of religious liberty to gain independence for Christian schools until we train up a generation of people who know that there is no religious neutrality, no neutral law, no neutral education, and no neutral civil government. Then they will get busy constructing a Bible-based social, political, and religious order which finally denies the religious liberty of the enemies of God. Murder, abortion, and pornography will be illegal. God’s law will be enforced. It will take time. A minority religion cannot do this. Theocracy must flow from the heart of a majority of citizens, just as compulsory education came only after most people had their children in schools of some sort. [p.25]
AND:
We have to face up to the choice that must be made between God’s law or man’s law. We have to acknowledge the inescapable decision: God’s covenant or natural law? [pp. 37 -38]
And yet, now go back to the earlier thread where all the LVMI devout followers dropped the phrase ‘natural law’ over and over and over again, not one mentioned ‘God’s covenant’ which is what they are really pushing. And when confronted with this, they shriek, ‘natural law,’ ‘natural law,’ ‘statist’ . . . these are the words the cult programmed me to say over and over and over again, so that I might sound like a liberty loving libertarian, help me I can’t stop!
Dear Stacy,
You and Max must never sleep….
20 years among the diarrhea mouth fundamentalist pastors (ditched out 1n 97 and went back to home construction in central Florida till 2005!!!!!) which 20 years in the pastoral kitchen taught me many things… most notably was beware of engaging fundamentalists in conversation and definately don’t listen to them.
People are a swirling mixture of evil, good, wisdom, and absmyal ignorance and Rushdoony came to the US in 1918 as a babe fleeing the annilation of his Christian family in Armenia by the hands of the Turks. As a fifth generation pastor it marked him strongly and I learned many things from him.
Gary North and Rushdoony were alienated from each other for over twenty years regarding minutia of the Reconstructionist script for the takeover of the world but during those years my name is to be found in the forwords of some of their primary books.
I repent in sackcloth and ashes. WE MUST ENGAGE AN ADULT DISCUSSION OF THESE ISSUES…. and I am amazed that you have both knowledge of all this Adam Smith/God nonsenses and that you have the intelligence and competence to broach the subject in an open arena of thought. Let the games begin…
call it like you see it
fear no one
who is god?
Keynes? Darwin? Jesus? Ghandi? Neiche?
We MUST shape a new paradigm regarding market forces and price determination and we must not let this moment pass.
Or not………. WTF….. does anyone care?
You will by the spring time……….
EHR, yes indeed!
As I feel it in my gut of guts, just as Brooksley Born stood before Congress and delivered The Warning, so Max and Stacy are standing up today and delivering an equally weighty Warning.
Godspeed, Max and Stacy.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/warning/view/
These Christo-Fascist Austrians only have one talking point–no government role in the market.
[quote]“It has frequently been alleged that I have contended that any movement in the direction of socialism is bound to lead to totalitarianism. Even though this danger exists, this is not what [The Road to Serfdom] says. What it contains is a warning that unless we mend the principles of our policy, some very unpleasant consequences will follow which most of those who advocate these policies do not want.”40 (p. 196). Footnote 40: Hayek, Preface to the 1976 edition of The Road to Serfdom, in Collected Works, vol. 2: Road to Serfdom, p. 55.[/quote]
[quote]“…if administered with extraordinary caution and superhuman ability,” the plan to have a government infuse money into the system to provoke demand “could . . . perhaps, be made to prevent crises.” Hayek, “The ‘Paradox’ of Saving,” translated by Nicholas Kaldor and George Tugendhat, was published in Economica, vol. 11, May 1931, and reproduced in Collected Works, vol. 9: Contra Keynes and Cambridge, p. 118-119.[quote]
Hayek accepts unemployment insurance for workers and even welfare…but calls them “individual catastrophes” (19:00 minutes) and even agreed to the existence of trade unions, “…for collective contracts for the people that want to accept them, I am all in favor.” (1:15:15).
Friedrich A. Hayek interviewed by John O’Sullivan in 1985.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtCvJeRK3lE
@ Stacy…
Admittedly, I’m Canadian, not American, but I can honestly say that neither Dominionism nor “Christian Reconstructionism” really carry a lot of weight within the Christian communities that I’m working among— and I’m fairly evangelical and ecumenical. Hence, I suggest you’re taking a minor player, or two and inflating their influence significantly. Straw Christian men, perhaps?
Does it not strike you as Biblically odd that whenever you name a list of “capital crimes” such as you have that Jesus didn’t show any endorsement of the punitive element? The clearest example is that of the adulteress in the Gospel of John, chapter 8: whether she deserved death or not, Jesus simply said that no one had the authority to condemn her. And neither would I condemn her. However, if you were to ask me whether she was morally wrong, I would still say “yes”. Jesus routinely upheld the principles of the laws of Moses, but he parted company with the punitive requirements of the law for reasons of grace and mercy.
Yet, these days we have another problem; we suffer less from merciless rage than we do permissive enabling. We have secularists arguing that such things as abortion, or fornication aren’t “wrong” at all anymore, which likely says more about contemporary pride than Biblical error. But the irony for me is that both you and Max are significant “moralists”, even though you may mock Christian morality. I suggest that you are a lot more like me than you think— a couple of economic prophets, desperately looking for some system in which to ground your moral indignation against systemic fraud and manipulation. I think I know where you should be grounded, but that choice is up to you, not me…
Arguing endlessly over how exactly to interpret these stolen myths dslarsen
Mankind shares a common history. It’s not stealing for different cultures to say more or less the same thing about what happened in the past. For example, the Flood Story is common to most if not all human cultures.
Yes, of course I have heard of von Mises, but really, I form my own opinions about economics, so I can’t really comment on his credibility or relevance to today’s worldwide fiscal mess.
But if he really believed there was an actual Jesus, did he also believe this Jesus was a ‘son of God”…yet criticized this Jesus? Now that takes balls. me? Atheist.
I KNOW who the historical person this “Jesus” was, and that he was of a mystery school (Egyptian), was a practicing Magi, and when he “Raised Lazarus from the Dead” he was invoking a thousands of years old tradition of “Raising L’ Azerus” (The Blue One)….aka Osiris (The Blue star Sirius, the Dog Star, which disappears under the horizon for 70 days in spring…GET IT?????). So if this von Mises didn’t know that easy and simple fact…I still don’t need him or anyone else to spell out the answer to 2+2.
Here’s another treat for you Jewists/Christianists: If you happen to have the King Tut exhibit come to a city near you (in Seattle now)…you’d be looking at his grandfather’s treasure. Amenhotep III…the GREAT SOLOMON king…not the biblical one, that’s Ramses II (Rama’s Moses…son of Rama). Oh yes, IT IS. But that’s for another time…
I used to be called farang….
It always amazes me that those who question Jesus’ historicity do so by invoking the names of others whom we have far less historical information about than we do Jesus himself. Now, there’s logic…
“Mankind shares a common history. It’s not stealing for different cultures to say more or less the same thing about what happened in the past. For example, the Flood Story is common to most if not all human cultures.” not_me
The various priesthoods don’t provide a caveat anywhere that “these stories are composites of numerous events, for instance the many floods which are the norm for rivers everywhere” or that “these stories have been embellished for effect” or that “it may contain the pre-xanax raving peoples we have come to know as “prophets”, and that in any event, they never ever admit or acknowledge that the contents of this particular incarnation of this borrowed work known as “THE Bible” (note the implied uniqueness) is not unique, but came about in what today we would call plagiarism, from other cultures. No, these are sold as ABSOLUTE truth, as the ONE AND ONLY truth, and a truth that is delivered directly from a supreme being. It is this overarching assertion that sits at the base of these authoritarian and paternal systems.
You know mankind shares these “stories and myths”, and I know mankind shares these “stories and myths” but for the people peddling the stolen merchandise, it’s a major profit center, and it’s sold as ABSOLUTE GOD GIVEN FACT and if you don’t BELIEVE and OBEY, you will GO TO HELL.
Now these guys peddling this stuff don’t necessarily believe any of that. Witness child molesting priests. They aren’t afraid of any god or afterlife. They’re afraid of lawyers.
But, that’s the sales pitch, and it’s an invitation to stop thinking and become a slave.
You won’t see a priest or imam or rabbi ever admit that their founding documents are a mere mishmash of embellished and elaborated stories of local events such as floods or that they were written when the only possible interpretation of astronomical events was based in myth, since they didn’t have at their disposal the first fact about what was really whizzing about over their heads every night. The stories aren’t just two people talking about similar events like floods either, they are practically word-for-word translations of earlier works.
… they are practically word-for-word translations of earlier works. dslarsen
That would not rule out their truthfulness. Now if Moses had copied error into the Bible then that would be evidence he was not inspired by God but copying a truthful account cannot be faulted. And remember, as a member of Egyptian royalty, Moses would have been well educated as an Egyptian. It’s no wonder then that his writing might reflect some Egyptian literature.
@ Stacy
What?!
Gary North and his Father in law stoned the Von Mises Institude to death?!
Wait, i have to read this article again…
@Joshua Roberts, I like reading your posts–hope you write more.
Max was talking very interestingly about complex systems recently, and I wonder if anyone has read Wm. Byers’ The Blind Spot.
“The existence of that which is real but cannot be understood poses a major challenge to our usual way of thinking about the world and to our thinking about the relationship between human beings and the natural world….The discovery of such “limits to reason” is in many ways the key scientific discovery of the twentieth century, one that our society has still not fully assimilated….I am thinking about Cantor’s discovery of different orders of infinity; Gödel’s proof that within any deductive system there are results that are true but cannot be proved; about the second law of thermodynamics that states the amount of disorder within a system must always increase; about uncertainty and complementarity in quantum mechanics; about the “butterfly effect” in the theory of chaotic systems, which says that every small change in the initial conditions of a system can have an enormous effect on its eventual state; and about randomness that seems to show up just about everywhere, from the theory of evolution to the fluctuations of the stock market. All of these point to intrinsic limitations in our ability to pin down reality in concepts and symbols. This is a key ingredient in the approach to science and mathematics that I am taking in this book, an approach that attempts to come to grips with the element of self-reference that is inevitably part of any attempt to describe the world as a living system.”
@ (pastor) David
Funny Name for an avatar,
Do you know Rabbi Jacob?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K6cYkWqirWU
PS: Gary North was once a staffer for Ron Paul & there is some interesting googling around connections there, and “The Response, ” etc.
As I recall, Reconstructionism has made huge inroads into Pentecostalism & the Baptist church. Pentecostalism has big media capacities. This is interesting, I think:
” When American society collapses under the combined weight of massive foreign debt, military overstretch, and internal decadence, North hopes to have a network of churches ready to step into the breech. In preparation, he has written book after book aimed at educating Christians on how to live debt free, avoid electronic surveillance, and develop the skills necessary for surviving economic collapse. 27 In short, North’s version of Reconstructionism blazed a path for the militia and Christian survivalist groups of the 1990s to follow.
Catholic Robert Royal, founder and president of the Faith and Reason Institute, quotes Friedrick von Hayek (25:20 minutes) to justify no government assistance for the poor. The Libertarian virus has infected the mainstream Catholic Church. Hayek, like Ayn Rand, rejected altruism based on the faulty argument that markets are fundamentally unknowable. This theory is called Austrian Market Agnosticism.
http://www.truthdig.com/avbooth/item/bill_moyers_religion_politics_and_paul_ryans_budget_20120827/
[quote]“Altruism is an instinct we have inherited from the small society where we know for whom we work, whom we serve. When you pass from this what I like to call it the ‘concrete society’ where we are guided by what we see to the abstract society, which far transcends our range of vision, it becomes necessary that we are guided not by the knowledge of the effect of what we do, but by some abstract symbols. Now this only symbol which takes us where we can make the best contribution is profit. And in fact by pursuing profit you are the most altruistic you can possibly be because we extend our concern to people who are beyond our range of personal conception. This is the condition, which makes it possible to even to produce what I call an extended order, and order which is not determined by our aim, by our knowing, but as an most urgent means, but by an impersonal mechanism who by a system of communication puts a label on certain things which is wholly impersonal.” (16:00 minutes) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LtCvJeRK3lE [/quote]
[quote]He [Hayek] insisted that measuring elements of the economy was no substitute for understanding how an economy worked. He derided attempts “to establish direct causal connections between the total quantity of money, the general level of all prices and, perhaps, also the total amount of production”28 in mathematical equations as if economics were a science no different from physics or chemistry. The true key to understanding economic activity, he argued, was the choices individuals made, which were so many and diverse they could not be easily measured. By the same token, he dismissed assumptions based on general price levels. Far more telling, he argued, were the myriad different prices agreed in the countless individual transactions that together made up the economy.(Wapshott, Nicholas, Keynes Hayek: The Clash that Defined Modern Economics, Norton. Kindle Edition. p 73).[/quote]
I very unchristian position by Robert Royal and a very unscientific understanding of economics by Hayek and the Austrians.
http://www.publiceye.org/magazine/v22n3/libertarian.html
(Sorry–hard to edit on phone.)
Thanks Mabs! My goodness!!!
After the Justice Powell memo in 1971, the radical right wing Republicans deliberately infiltrated the fundamentalist churches with their hate filled politics and now it all ends up with paramilitary Christian survivalists. Organized Christianity always had a weakness for fascism i.e., Nazi Germany.
[quote]In 1976 he [Gary North] worked in Washington, D.C. as a staffer for Texas Representative Ron Paul. After Paul’s defeat, North wrote a testy screed warning Christians that Washington was a cesspool that can’t be changed overnight.25 He turned his back on national politics and began developing practical tactics for churches to deploy at the grassroots level.26 Unlike Rushdoony who focused most of his attention on ideas, North explicitly worked to pull together disparate church groups, most notably reaching out to charismatic and Pentecostal congregations in the South in an effort to fuse Reconstructionism’s grassroots activism with committed congregations. When American society collapses under the combined weight of massive foreign debt, military overstretch, and internal decadence, North hopes to have a network of churches ready to step into the breech. In preparation, he has written book after book aimed at educating Christians on how to live debt free, avoid electronic surveillance, and develop the skills necessary for surviving economic collapse.27 In short, North’s version of Reconstructionism blazed a path for the militia and Christian survivalist groups of the 1990s to follow.[/quote]
@ stacyherbert – POW! KO combination, and we haven’t even got to the meat in this sandwich. I cant wait for the real debate.
@ Lumber Jack
- Just a few corrections for you., First, “anarchist fascists.” or Right Wing Anarchy is in fact another name for fascism. Ring Wing Anarchy means total withdrawal of government, leaving everything to private hands without any kind of government regulation.
2nd I dont see where Nietzsche fits into this, the LVMI are actually followers of Kant (So they Claim.) He opposed consequentialism and was a proponent of Deontology and created what was know as the categorical imperative. Please watch one of our little video’s to help explain the philosophy.
Three Minute Philosophy – Immanuel Kant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwOCmJevigw
@ EHR – Your comment was sweet !! Awww I concur
@ Jean
I think we should keep throwing bombs out for the time being, Why not, its fun and if these idiots at the LVMI will not respond to us, then I see no reason to engage them in deep serious debate. So far the defence of the LVMI on this thread has been laughable. As for using daggers, That is silly, if we wanted to use daggers, we would support the LVMI, you have to Get behind them to stick a dagger in their backs.
@ kdt
I’m revving up my ‘commie’ government funded public transport bus, you really want to play chicken with me on your Austrian business cycle dude?
“Was Mises a stoner?”
No.
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Oh God, I agree with Ayn Rand, stone me!
Mises was born into a rich family, into a specific set of circumstances. It’s not surprising his model of the world would work the way it does. It is also clear that if a model has some pieces that work and some that don’t quite fit, the model is adjusted to fit the world view until the synthesis cannot function any longer. And there is no guarantee a surviving model will be optimal, only a probability.
People distort ideas to suit themselves in many ways. Based on the post, Mises didn’t attribute significance in his theory to people who believe in Christ and as such is wrong or at best incomplete. He clearly thought Christians were superfluous or irrelevant to his rational model and yet Christians (Muslims or whatever) exist. This problem of exclusion isn’t specific to Mises. There are always loose ends in any model. There is no final solution.
ronron is right.
@ Albion Rover | August 28, 2012 at 12:31 am |
RE; @Stacey-
WHAT a LOAD of BOLLCKS
“In this area there is considerable overlap between Christianity and Natural Law”
There is nothing natural about religious institutions, NOTHING, you idiot.
Law (limitations on the use of power) WTF, the law is power. How do you intend to enforce that? Note its called a Police FORCE, not a Police Justice. They are into enforcement not justice.
Liberty (freedom from coercion) HUH? So children, criminals, death cultists, and you all have the same inalienable right to own any weaponry: conventional, chemical, biological, or nuclear. All food, drugs, and medical treatments should be entirely unregulated: every industry should be able to kill 300,000 per year in the US like the tobacco industry.
True religion (defined as Jesus defined it: caring for the widow and the fatherless). As if anyone in America knows what true religion is. Americans practise “Obscuratanism” A hodge podge of half baked christian beliefs based on Tele evangelists selling Magical Water™ healing stones, images of Jesus appearing on fence posts etc etc.
A few basic bedrock principles for a better economic system should include
Property rights (thou shalt not steal) Because the government subverts your right to squat in your own country without ever having to pay for ports, roads, railways or the services that you require for your very survival.
Freedom from fraud (Thou shalt not bear false witness) Oh really! Well lets see some hard evidence for the resurrection you religious nut bag.
I think that the Iranian Mullah’s Fatwa has some advantages and should be adopted even here in the west . Put a Fatwa on ignorant and warmonger politicians . Anybody that exterminates those people should get say a million dollars . It is just like having an international bounty on the head of some morons . Having said that , I still reckon that religion are a mean of controlling the population and therefore all religions should be destroyed , but while religions exist , we should use some religious weapons to clean up society of hypocrites .
I find that the religious nuts in the western world are as dangerous and extremist as the worst militant Muslims or Jews .
@ Al Kyder
RE Load of Bollocks
Your post is well titled, a string of logical fallacies (strawman arguments and ad hominem attacks for the most part) Amongst your numerous errors you have confused Christianity with Contemporary religious institutions in the US. Not the same thing at all dear boy.
You equate government with a protective Big Brother, whom you love – even although they are ripping you off every day. To be free you must first think free, think for yourself.
The US (heavily regulated) medical profession is the third largest cause of death in the united states by their own estimation (I put it higher), so your point about the risks of industry unregulated by big gov is what exactly? How could it be worse?
It is interesting that those who love the state on this site so often hate God. The state has sought to replace faith family and civil society so as to make all dependent on the state; thus securing their power. It has certainly worked on our friend Al Kyder, a statist minion to his (I’m assuming his) core.
This whole pile of shit makes me want to be sick.
I’m gettin screwed and
The left say” we’ll use a condom.”
The right says “we’ll use lube”
Can I have a kiss first
For some reason you can pull a preborn human apart with a sharpened hook and a scrape it from the utterus before it’s born but post birth the whole of society has to give up it’s hard earned to support mother and child.
For some reason you can demand all life be sacred and then send your sons to foreign lands to kill the locals coz they’re frustrating our interests and when they come home strangers will walk up to them in public and thank them “for their sacrifice”
Human behaviour is far to complex to be deconstructed and mapped by squiggley lines on paper and I for one wont any longer listen to those that try. Mercy and understanding do not come from intellectual arguement it comes from a heart tuned and sensitive to the suffering of others.
I post almost assured some deep pool of wisdom and wit will reply to me telling me to “get a life”
for eveyone to understand whole blog easy
either rommney or obama rules we are doomed
america does have morale christens left
but in a den of sin why do you expect to find love and understanding
we are bankrupt morale fiancialy and completely
you argue over crumbs as the whole dam comes collapseing around you
abortion is murder plain and simple
plato words are worth more than all other philosophers
i like coming here and hearing peoples thoughts so i can invest wisely
you see jesus is real i know
only when you die you will find out .
it saddens me that so many will find out to late they served the wrong master
america collapsed when roe vs way was passed in 1970
you have the right to act like animals
potray yourself as flesh
you have fallen into the trap snared like little bunnies
why should you be surprised a few years later you where taken off the gold standard
you children cant handle your own bodie functions
why should you be able to handle gold?
americans are so stupid .wat until you are in the fema camps these silly arguements will seem so yesterday so useless
why do i even waste my time
many here think god is not here
you are not laughing at him he as actually saddend by your lack of understanding of his love for you
as for all of these articles i have gotten lost on why is max attacking this guy and who has time to read all the bs i agree stick to the markets
just make a 3 minute video so the simpletons can understand
good question, why is Max doing this?
In a world of theft and lies, why go after the LvMI? They have no power (except that of ideas), no place in government or with the wall street/ city institutions. They virtually alone called the present crisis years ago.
Makes no sense.
What’s the answer Stacey?
Albion Rover-What’s the answer Stacey?
The Thatcher Reagan Junta. Or Exhuming the political corpses of dead politicians and economists to attack any opposition to a stated dogma.
Unfortunately the Hayek Zombie still walks among us, its time to shoot it through the head with a 12g shot gun round.
@ Albion Rover RE;
1. you have confused Christianity with Contemporary religious institutions in the US. Not the same thing at all dear boy.
answer; I’m going to hold you to that.
2. You equate government with a protective Big Brother, whom you love – even although they are ripping you off every day. To be free you must first think free, think for yourself.
answer, You mean Tibi Cognate. Well its going to be so much fun taking down the mindless Zombies at the LVMI. So lets see, Government BAD, Chevron and General Electric GOOD. British American Tobacco would do a much better job at regulating themselves. Seriously @ Albion Rover you must be a Lawyer! So how do we solve this, Make everything private property and pay you huge fees for civil suits. Who is going to enforce that, When I burst into the court room with an AK 47 and gun you down ? As Menger said, Human life is the ultimate value, Not property.
3. The US (heavily regulated) medical profession…….exactly? How could it be worse?
aswer; If Phizer and Monsanto claimed they were self regulated.
4. It is interesting that those who love the state on this site so often hate God. etc etc
Oh well dont let me accuse you of being a deranged lunatic, please tell us all about this God of yours, Gold. Oil. Drugs. or is that Guns .Oil and Drugs ? I can never tell with those people of Deep Convictions.
Hmmm Lets see, General Cornwallis was a man of deep convictions, or my favourite Francis Younghusband who slaughtered Tibetans on mass with Maxim machine guns in 1903 for the British East India company and Jesus.
I think Hilary Clinton should be made Queen and forget about elections in America. They must be a source of terrible embarrassment for all US citizens.
To hold up Francis Younghusband, Al, as an archetype of Christian devotion to Jesus is to completely misrepresent his life, and his near total spiritual confusion.
They virtually alone called the present crisis years ago. AR
That’s factually incorrect.
Not_me, I have a question: Why is government required in order for people to trade in gold?
And your statement of 8/28/12 4:52pm is false, people associated with the Mises Institute did in fact warn of exactly the kind of meltdown (and of course Tom Woods’ book “Meltdown”) has is happening now, starting around 2003. I think that qualifies as “years ago”.
@Up_to_it_in-Silver, you’re welcome.
What confuses me here is: what is the real basis of this dispute?
Because if the Christian Reconstructionists have a stealth strategy to take over the world, as Stacy seems to have demonstrated, then, allowing them to dictate that the terms of the argument must be philosophical sinks us into a semantic morass-of-no-return, and they win by running intellectual circles around us. These are some very smart people.
PS: EHR, who should know(!), warned of engaging Fundamentalists in conversation, and listening to them.
This seems uncharitable, unless you realize that an intellectual trap has been set.
Bob Robertson, precisely the point: Reconstructionists are positioning themselves to take over in the confusion after The Collapse, when moral outrage goes through the roof and moral solutions are desperately sought.
PS: …and…”moral solutions” that allow us to throw actual rocks at people may be especially appealing….
…and…Fundamentists insinuating themselves into military issues is especially troubling….
…it occurs to me that Reconstructionist strategy might be called “shorting Civilization”….
Oh. I see that, not suprisingly, I didn’t originate the term “shorting civilization”:
“…financial markets are shorting civilization….”
http://www.zadek.net/capitals-public-purpose/
If Reconstructionists and their mindbots are shorting civilization, then so are a lot of other cynical people.
As Forrest Gump said to Jen-nie, “I guess sometimes there just aren’t enough rocks.”